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From: Lucifer
To: My Terrorist Brothers and Sisters
Subject: <o> <o>
Date: Sat Aug 10 01:32:29 2002

Message:
We are having fun here in HELL! We are still burning and screaming in excruciating pain! Dont forget the more of you who kill yourselves for me the better! But also the more of you who do kill yourselves for me the less of you there will be to carry on my acts! Then again the more of you who do kill themselves for me can join the rest and there will be severel less Terrorist Brothers and Sisters on earth! Just blow yourself up in your own home, and take your family with you and join me anyway! Atta and the rest are waiting for you! That's right they want you to scream in pain for the rest of eternity with us! The innocents they killed went on to Heaven, they are only living in a beautiful land and free of pain and suffering! Come join me and take your family with you so we can keep the fire burning and we can burn for eternity! We dont need the innocent infadels they just go on to Heaven! Only us just us can burn and feel the real pain and suffering and be True Martyrs! I am waiting.......

From: osamas my pretty little bitch
To: all turban wearin muther fuckers
Subject: no more middle east
Date: Sun Aug 11 21:01:41 2002

Message:
hey osama i got a missle in my pants and its pointin your way hahahhaaha. fuck all middle east muther fuckers... tell all your afgan women to come to my house so i can shave there hairy asses and givem some U.S.A. dick.. matter of fact osama and sadam is probly doin 69 as i type camel molestin, goat rapin, rag head fagets no wonder your women want to come here cuz yall aint got no dicks , to busy playin in the sand. if i caught osama id put a lil pink dress on him and sell his ass on every fuckin corner i came to and like they osama....bitch betta have my money... cuz if you dont then id cut your nuts off and feed them to your camel..a.k.a wife or whatever the fuck .........BITCH MADE MUTHER FUCKER ...... ............PS...ILL SEND YOU A FUCKIN RAZOR WITH INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO USE IT HAIRY ASS GORILLA LOOKIN MUTHER FUCKER......IM OUT.........

From:
To: osamas
Date: Mon Aug 12 09:22:06 2002

Message:
are you gay?

From: sana
To: all jews
Subject: come on
Date: Mon Aug 12 14:10:03 2002

Message:
i m challinging u to come and talk with me bout islam.as our 
elders have defeated u and we will also defeat u.
u should come here and fight with me
 sana

From: Crazy Horse >>>---------->
To: sana
Date: Mon Aug 12 15:08:49 2002

Message:
I am not a Jew but would be interested to hear your version of 
the ass-kickin's Isreal has administered to the Arab's. I am a 
kaffir in every sense of the word, please explain the Death Cult 
called Islam.

From: .44
To: Sana
Date: Tue Aug 13 03:49:29 2002

Message:
Shabat Shalom.  I'll be Jewish if that's what you want.  I'll 
also hand you your ass if you want to throw down.  Muslim bacon 
like you is just too easy.  Why don't you go on another magic 
carpet ride?      

From: sa27
To: sana
Date: Tue Aug 13 13:21:32 2002

Message:
.44 is right all the way!! what the fuck is the matter with all 
of you hate filled ass-holes. If you truely love God, then love 
life, dont try to destroy it. Oh, and by your elders defeating 
jews, do you mean examples like: Isreal's 1967 war, and their 
current war against terrorism?

From: .44
To: sa27
Date: Tue Aug 13 16:58:56 2002

Message:
I bet he was referring to the Yom Kippur War of '73.  At least 
some of the Arab world had a little bit of sucess before getting 
their assses handed to them.       

From:
To:
Date: Thu Aug 15 06:31:48 2002

Message:
what do you call a jewish Queer?... a He-blew

From:
To:
Date: Thu Aug 15 06:34:05 2002

Message:
you hear about the new jewish tire?...its called the firestein, 
it stops on a dime and picks it up.

From:
To:
Date: Thu Aug 15 06:36:07 2002

Message:
how do you squeeze 40 jews in a volkswagen? put them in the 
ashtray.

From:
To:
Date: Thu Aug 15 06:37:54 2002

Message:
if tarzan and jane were jewish what would cheeta be? ...a fur 
coat.

From: sa27
To:
Date: Thu Aug 15 14:57:07 2002

Message:
wow, all of those jokes are so original, and mature!! Are you a 
fellow muslim cock sucker?

From:
To:
Date: Thu Aug 15 18:15:19 2002

Message:
Redneck girl to her brother:  "Jim-Bob, your dick is fatter 
than daddy's."

        Jim-Bob to his sister:  "Yeah, that's what momma always 
says."                                 

From: patriot
To: sa27
Date: Sat Aug 17 05:31:17 2002

Message:
.....just your average American jew hater.or satans children.

From:
To:
Date: Sat Aug 17 05:35:05 2002

Message:
57 MIchaels agree....jews suck pig cock.

From: AbuMujahid
To: all you ppl...
Subject: Have fun...
Date: Sat Aug 17 11:26:54 2002

Message:
Have your fun while you can cos when you die you may just fry....

From: 2Bad
To: everyone
Subject: Wassup...
Date: Mon Aug 12 12:25:02 2002

Message:
2bad you all gonna die
u will wake to the truth and cry
theres only one God and Allah is his name
on that day you will realise in shame
so continue your petty assaults on the truth
behaving like a bunch of petty youth
i invite you to the way that is pure
the truth you can be sure

From: sa27
To: sana
Date: Sat Aug 17 16:22:53 2002

Message:
way to stand up for yourself sana

From: .44
To: 2Bad
Date: Sat Aug 17 19:18:07 2002

Message:
There is only one name, and His name is Jehovah.  Allah is a 
false god.        

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Sun Aug 18 08:33:44 2002

Message:
I plugged my phone in where my blender used to be.  Then I 
called U Know Who.  He went "AHHHHHHHH!!!             

From: Most Wanted!!
To: Be On The Lookout!
Subject: Scroll Down Past The Add
Date: Sun Aug 18 17:54:48 2002

Message:
http://www.mostwantedterrorists.com/

From: Abu Nidal
To:
Date: Mon Aug 19 15:40:02 2002

Message:
I am a sorry camel bottom and I have been sent by Allah to Hell  
because of my cowardice and cross dressing.  I was a homosexual 
and my religion was false.  For this I have been punished.  Jesus 
is Lord.       

From: Patriot
To: united sates of isreal
Date: Tue Aug 20 04:24:34 2002

Message:
before we attack iraq...we should attack the u.s. congress and 
free it from the scumbag jews...and their lackies.

From: motion
To: "Patriot" pussy
Date: Tue Aug 20 07:00:36 2002

Message:
Sounds like you need a high calibur enema, fuckhead.  Have a 
good day.           

From:
To: patriot
Date: Tue Aug 20 09:37:22 2002

Message:
you are a dumb shit.

From:
To:
Date: Wed Aug 21 03:03:28 2002

Message:
Having read your messages, I have concluded that your stance 
regarding the Catholic infrastructure is without merit, and that 
your site promotes views of a far too conservative view.
  You owe an apology to the Catholic church and all of its 
universities in the northern midwest, especially in Minnesota 
where the Church has been diligent in its monitoring of 
pedophilic priests.
  I will allow you people sufficient time for an apology. 

From:
To:
Date: Wed Aug 21 03:08:35 2002

Message:
SMUMN in no way endorses the views of this board.      

From: Just Stumbled In
To: All
Subject: Morons
Date: Wed Aug 21 12:33:39 2002

Message:
Good God!!! Dont you all realize we are ALL related? We all came from 2 people "Adam and Eve"....Therefore if you kill ANYBODY you are killing your own relatives, whatever color or religion or country they are in. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! Morons! 

From: Just Stumbled In
To: All
Subject: Colors
Date: Wed Aug 21 12:57:32 2002

Message:
By the way if you want anybody to read your messages, the colors that show up on this board that are legable are Black and Dark Red...Just thought you would like to know we cant  FUCKING  read that green, and yellow shit!

From:
To:
Date: Wed Aug 21 17:04:28 2002

Message:
highlight it with your mouse dip-shit

From: Just Stumbled In
To: Above
Subject: Lmao!
Date: Wed Aug 21 23:26:46 2002

Message:
Highlight This ,,!,

From:
To: JSI
Date: Sat Aug 24 14:19:08 2002

Message:
your just mad because i proved you wrong...any intelligent 
retort?

From:
To:
Date: Sat Aug 24 14:31:41 2002

Message:
Yes.  I went fishing with a dotted line.  I caught every other 
fish.      

From: chantal
To: tout le monde...
Subject: que dieu nous pardonne!
Date: Sat Aug 24 22:06:57 2002

Message:
Osama et ta race n' tes que des malades mentals...vous avez 
besoins de soins au plus vite...Pourquoi vous venez chez nous en 
Am rique faire le trouble avec votre croyance de merdre et votre 
religion de con?  restez donc chez vous et essayez donc d'avoir 
une conscience et un coeur...arr ter donc de vous torturer 
physiquement et mentalement! et vos enfants ??? vous faites des 
enfants pour en faire des adultes en mal d'amour...  mes yeux 
vous faites piti  mais en m me temps j'ai envie de vous dire 
qu'un jour jesp re que votre race aller dispara tre ...et pour 
toujours...

From:
To:
Date: Sun Aug 25 05:08:08 2002

Message:
we...we...we...we..

From: chantal
To: agan...taliban et toute ce genre de race l ...
Subject: vous m' coeurez
Date: Sun Aug 25 08:47:22 2002

Message:
Osama et ta race N'etes que des malades mentals et vous avez 
besoin de soins au plus vite...Pourquoi venez vous ici en 
Am rique faire le trouble avec votre croyance de merdre et votre 
religion de con? Restez donc chez vous et essayez donc d'avoir 
une conscience et un coeur...Arreter donc de vous torturer 
physiquement et mentalement! et vos enfants??? Vous faites des 
enfants pour en faire des adultes en manque d'amour ...A mes 
yeux vous faites pitie et en meme temps j'ai envie de vous dire 
qu'un jour jespere que votre race va disparaitre et pour 
toujours.Croyez-vous vraiment qu'un etre humain normal donnerais 
des chatiments corporelles aussi cruels que ceux que vous faites 
endurer a votre monde??? Faut manquer une case entre les deux 
oreilles et en plus je ne sais pas pourquoi j'ecrie ca de toute 
facon je perds mon temps a vouloir te faire comprendre ca tu 
n'es pas normalement constituer il te manque un cerveau et un 
coeur....en esperant te voir a la tele ta tete entre tes deux 
jambes ainsi que ta gang de debile.

From:
To:
Date: Sun Aug 25 09:44:27 2002

Message:
speak english

From: chantal
To: ?
Subject: response to speak english
Date: Sun Aug 25 16:35:16 2002

Message:
are you one of them? if so, your day is coming

From: The Un-hyphenated American
To: you faggoty french pole-smokers
Subject: USA No. 1!!!!
Date: Sun Aug 25 16:54:06 2002

Message:
hey, you butt-fucking French faggots.  This is an american 
message board, so stop with all  your faggoty french so WE can 
understand what you're saying about Americans and how much you 
hate them. Don't forget WWII when Hitler reamed a swastika up 
your ass and made you cowards put up your hands and bend over 
for him.

(oh don't give me shit about this being the internet. talk 
american english you fruity fags!!!)

From: Raymond Babbit
To: The Un-hypenated American
Subject: hatred
Date: Sun Aug 25 16:57:40 2002

Message:
Un-hypenated American:

Please refrain from such hurtful, spiteful words.  Besides, this 
is the internet, which is international, so not everyone is 
obligated to post messages in English only.


From: The Un-hyphenated American
To: Raymond Babbit
Subject: fuck you!
Date: Sun Aug 25 17:00:07 2002

Message:
you a fucking retard like the one from that shit movie with that 
kike playing that stupid autistic guy, or what?

Or are you another Faggoty French pole-smoker?  

SUCK MY DICK, WHATEVER YOUR REAL NAME IS.  Suck it! 

You're the kind of scared faggot that complained about OPIE AND 
ANTHONY and had them fired, aren't you!!!!!!

WHIP EM OUT!  WHIP EM OUT!  WHIP EM OUT!!!!

oh, and...  death to that meglomaniacal Kike, Howard Stern!!! 
YOUR SHOW SUCKS DONKEY DICK!!!!!!!

From: Sam 08/25/02
To: Caroline
Subject: Dog food, etc...
Date: Sun Aug 25 17:04:07 2002

Message:
Hey, Caroline.

Don't me a fav and pick up some Eukanuba if you have the time, 
okay?

Thanks

-Sam

From: Fresca
To: sam/caroline
Subject: you asswipes
Date: Sun Aug 25 17:06:13 2002

Message:
you two asswipes using this message board with your stupid 
fucking personal messages, too??!!!!

Fuck you, sam and caroline.  I bet you two are a couple of penny 
pinching kikes!!!

wouldn't it be cheaper to leave a message on the answering 
machine or on the fridge????

How was copper wire invented?

-Two Jews fighting over a penny!!!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

From: Dr. Pepper
To: Fresca
Subject: anti-semitism
Date: Sun Aug 25 17:09:33 2002

Message:
Dear Fresca:

What's with all the hatred?  

From: .44
To: assholes who posted the above several posts
Date: Sun Aug 25 18:07:01 2002

Message:
When your parole officer lets you leave your trailer park 
tomorrow so that you can go to your job of custodian at the 
all-boys' school, be sure to hide you gay porno mags in your 
janitor closet.  Frsca sounds like she has Jewish envy.  
Obviously Fresca wishes she were Jewish instead of being named 
after a skanky flat soda (how appropriate!).  Un-hypphenated 
"American" sounds like the un-American pussy punk that he is.  
Chantal tries to impress us with his/her/its knoweledge of French 
(like anyone could give a shit).
  Why don't you little brats go away and come back in about 15 
years when you're mature enough to carry on an intelligent 
conversation?  Maybe by then your self esteem will have 
developed.   

From: .44
To: assholes who posted the above several posts
Date: Sun Aug 25 18:21:52 2002

Message:
Have you grown up yet?  Got anything of any intelligence to say 
to the message board?  I'm still waiting for a response and not 
more stupid messages about faggots and spics and kikes and pole-
smoking, etc.

This might strain your tiny bit of greymatter in your thick 
skull, but try to stick with the subject matter.

Waiting for some intelligent messages from the backward ass 
pedophile who's been posting such nonsense. 

From: John Forbes Nash, Jr.
To: .44
Date: Sun Aug 25 18:27:27 2002

Message:
Suck my infected penis, you swine!!!

From: .44
To: Gook
Subject: Hey, Gook!!!
Date: Sun Aug 25 19:09:16 2002

Message:
Yeah, that's right.  I found you on this message board too!!

And I don't give a rat's ass whether your parents where from 
Northern or Southern Vietnam.  Doesn't make a shit's difference 
to me, Slant-eyes!

Shit is shit and it all looks and smells the same!!!!

From: .44
To: above post
Date: Sun Aug 25 21:24:27 2002

Message:
I did not post that last message.     

From:
To: .44 imposter
Date: Sun Aug 25 21:25:26 2002

Message:
The problem with playing both ends against the middle is that 
you sometimes get slammed by both ends.  You ought to remember 
that.    

From: .44 imposter
To: .44
Date: Sun Aug 25 23:07:28 2002

Message:
Oh, I certainly do remember.  Don't you?  Oh, don't be 
embarassed.
We did a lot of slamming and then some, didn't we?

From: John Forbes Nash, Jr. imposter
To: Dr. Carl Sagan imposter
Date: Sun Aug 25 23:10:40 2002

Message:
Have you seen my son?  He's wandered off again.  Last I heard he 
was going to take another GreyHound off to who knows where this 
time.  

JFN

From: jax227
To: imposters
Date: Sun Aug 25 23:12:21 2002

Message:
If I get the joke correctly, you are really sick and shouldn't 
make fun of the man's son, who is mentally ill.  I'm suprised 
you actually read.  Why don't you read the autobiography of 
someone you might relate to better like Adolf Hitler?

From: jax227
To:
Date: Sun Aug 25 23:15:35 2002

Message:
I came across a website about John Walker Lindh and how he was a 
fake, a plant by the US Government.  Has anyone come across any 
other sites with information like this?

From:
To:
Date: Mon Aug 26 02:05:31 2002

Message:
44 imposter and CC are the same person.  Multiple personalities 
for one fucked up person.      

From:
To:
Subject: .44 imposter and CC
Date: Mon Aug 26 02:17:06 2002

Message:
Not the same person, I tell you.  You'll just have to trust me.

One thing for sure : I am a fucked up person.

From: The Teller Of Truth
To: All who doubt the American Media
Date: Mon Aug 26 02:18:44 2002

Message:
CC and .44 imposter are the same person. I spoke to each of them 
myself.  This is truth.  But, so fucking what?  Who cares what 
the truth is?

Take your side, you assholes!  Or you're gonna get it.  We all 
get it in the end by someone.

From: cartoon
To: Teller Of Truth
Date: Mon Aug 26 04:39:39 2002

Message:
They may be the same person, but at least they'll always have 
each other.  Fortunately, romantic relationships are easy to 
maintain when they are between a certain US citizen and a certain 
Canadian citizen.  Teller of Truth, I,m going to die in the arms 
of your boy friend!       

From: chantal
To: The Un-hyphenated American
Subject: you need some help...
Date: Mon Aug 26 07:34:27 2002

Message:
Poor you! you need some help like osama ben laden...and it's 
free country so i can speak french if i want to and anyway if 
you not happy go the hell...

From: chantal
To: The Un-hyphenated American
Subject: ????
Date: Mon Aug 26 09:39:16 2002

Message:
Hey The Un-hyphenated American whatever you say i'M with 
American and i have respect for them  so keep your mouth shut 
and start to have some respect for yourself...and you 44 you 
don't know me and i'm intelligent person and mature also and 
you're right about what you say it's supposed to be a board for 
good things and i realise there is bastard everywhere..have a 
good life everyone and good luck for the future....

From: sa27
To: Un-hyphenated American
Date: Mon Aug 26 20:45:02 2002

Message:
You still have nothing to say, it seems.  I've seen several of 
your messages posted on these boards and they are all the same.  
You rant like a lunatic about nonsense and try to offend as many 
people as possible.  It's about time you find something else to 
do.  This message board is a place for people of intelligence, 
such as myself and many others whom I've held very interesting 
and thought-provoking conversations.  

Please stop your stupid, racist ranting and get a life.

From: Diana
To: Muslims in USA
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:07:44 2002

Message:
When you give money without knowing or caring whether it will be 
used by terrorists, you participate, however unknowingly in 
death and destruction.  When you do this you are NOT entitled to 
be considered a good American citizen; you are  entitled to be 
considered an enemy of America.  If you keep giving these 
terrorists money, you can't blame Americans if these ungodly 
terrorists attack en masse the United States of America again 
and you, and your family are killed. 

From: sa27
To:
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:20:06 2002

Message:
the last message was not from me

From: John Forbes, Nash, Jr.
To:
Date: Wed Aug 28 01:09:48 2002

Message:
that last message might have been from sa27.  I can assure you 
that it was not from me.

From: John Forbes Nash, Jr.
To:
Date: Wed Aug 28 01:11:43 2002

Message:
someone known as sa27 has been pretending to be both her and 
me.  Sometimes I like to pretend that I am her.  Or maybe it was 
someone who was pretending to be both sa27 and me.  Now I'm 
confused.  Who the fuck am I??????

(besides a loser, cocksucker, etc...)

From: J.T. Lancer
To: John Forbes Nash, Jr.
Date: Wed Aug 28 02:06:32 2002

Message:
don't forget idiot, asshole, scumbag, shithead, motherfucker, 
dipshit, bullshit artist, etc...

From:
To:
Date: Wed Aug 28 06:27:23 2002

Message:
All jews must die....so the world could be a better place, your 
fagot father has his panties up in a bunch.

From:
To:
Date: Wed Aug 28 06:35:41 2002

Message:
USAMA BIN LADEN  is GOD...

From: Gene Ray
To: THE LIARS
Subject: TIMECUBE, THE TRUTH!
Date: Wed Aug 28 07:58:14 2002

Message:
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!
YOU WOSHIP A FALSE GOD! BEHOLD THE GLORY OF TIMECUBE, ABOVE GOD!

http://www.timecube.com/

Time Cube discovery makes 
me wiser than human/gods. 
YOU were educated EVIL, 
& too damn dumb to know 
about Time Cube Creation. 
............................................ 
My Cubic wisdom is above 
1 - day Gods and Scientists. 
Ignoring Time Cube is Evil. 
.............................................. 
Educators are"damn liars", 
and most evil of all animals. 
They do not deny the charge 
of being evil word bastards. 

http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/
http://www.timecube.com/

Go to shit, you one day slop!

The Power Above God. 

  
My name is Gene Ray. I represent a 

Power that transcends power of God. 
  

That Supreme Power is in Nature's 

Harmonic Simultaneous Perpetual 

4X4 =16 Corner Rotating Principle 

4-Day Time Cube - Ineffable Truth. 
  

If you place a child in a room and in 

the hands of a Word God, the child 

will suffer severe loneliness and will 

starve to death. God is Word fiction. 
  

Until the fictitious Word of the Adult 

cloned God entity is cornered,ineffable 

Truth is squared, and the Earthsphere 

Life is Cubed   math and science of 

religion and academia are adult scams 

and constitute crimes against children. 

No genius has the Wisdom of a Cubic.


                                            Gene Ray 


From: .44
To: Gene Ray
Date: Wed Aug 28 19:57:10 2002

Message:
Time is an artificial concept.  As Steven Wright once said when 
somebody asked him if he had the time, he said, "yes, but not 
right now".             

From: Gene Ray
To: .44
Subject: LIAR
Date: Wed Aug 28 21:05:53 2002

Message:
Anyone who spreads the lies, and doesn't teach the TRUTH about 
the timecube is evil, therefore HOMICIDE IS JUSTIFIABLE...

HEED MY WARNING!

From: .44
To: Gene Ray
Date: Wed Aug 28 22:38:37 2002

Message:
Cubes, huh?  Guess I'll get a "round" to it sometime.      

From: Gene Ray
To:
Date: Thu Aug 29 07:19:35 2002

Message:
Don't mock me! I have the power of CUBE! Therefore I am wisest, 
as you will come to accept, as will all those who do not accept 
the discovery of cube! 3 dimensions, right angles, not singular, 
representing community, village, family.

You will not spread your lies!

From: spheroid
To: Gene Ray
Date: Thu Aug 29 22:45:46 2002

Message:
Heresy!  Blashpemy!!  I rebuke your cubes in the name of all 
that is good and decent.  No more will your evil cult force the 
people to work in cubicles!  You cad!  your reign of terror has 
come to an end.  Arise o rounded compatriots!  Crush the walls 
of those cubes, and show proudly your curves!    

From:
To: Gay Ray
Date: Thu Aug 29 22:45:46 2002

Message:
Obviously you dont like pussy cause pussy is round.                 

From: sphinctoid
To: gay ray
Date: Thu Aug 29 23:10:00 2002

Message:
shut the fuck up!      

From: An Average American
To: The Middle East
Subject: We know who you are
Date: Fri Aug 30 03:53:09 2002

Message:
All nation-states that make up the middle east, excepting 
Israel:

We know you - you are the enemy. Saudi Arabia funds the Terror 
training; Iraq pays the terrorists; Yasser breeds the 
terrorist; Iran, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan provide the 
training grounds for the terrorists; the UEA, Kuwait, and the 
rest of these little mid-east fringe nation-states support the 
terror in a number of ways. We know who you really are now. You 
are liars and thieves - cheats and terrorists. You play upon 
the civility and humanity of the world with you "desperate" 
suicide bombers, your bombed out "baby-milk" factories, your 
complaints that America is the "Great Satan" and you have some 
holy right to kill us.

Yes - "the cat's out of the bag" as we say here in America. 
Once all the political nice-nice is all wrapped up, y'all need 
to start digging. And dig like hell, because our bunker-busters 
are going to find you, no matter how far down you dig. Our 
Marines, Soldiers, Airmen and Naval forces will be coming hard 
and fast - and with them Hell will ride and decend upon your 
sand-blasted, decadent land. The Armaggedom will fall upon the 
whole of the Arab world like lava flows from a great volcano. 
Then come the nukes - the ones we will fire because Saddam, the 
boy who shines shoes, will fire a chemical, biological or 
nuclear weapon at Israel, and we will be obliged to return the 
favor. You know, whatever that mealy-mouth little despot Saddam 
has are meer childrens toys compared to the unthinkable 
decimation or weapons of war will rain upon the heads of you 
evil ones. You same evil ones who have corrupted an entire race 
of people. You, the ones who twisted the words of the Prophet 
Muhammad and turned the Holy Recital into a slam upon the great 
faiths of Judaisum and Christianity.

Yes, this is the end of the Arab world. I do hope your happy. 
You dogs have been pissing on the wrong leg for far to long 
now - and no we're gonna put you down.

I hope your lord Satan will have mercy on you, because we won't.

Up yours, rot in hell for eternity.

An Average American

From: .44
To: An Average American
Date: Fri Aug 30 10:34:40 2002

Message:
I'm with you all the way on this one.  Couldn't have stated it 
any better.  Terrorists who have perverted Islam in order to 
appear holy while being truly evil -those are the ones who are 
going to discover the intense horror of watching their skin and 
tissue melt, their eyes melt, and their tongues wither away when 
the nuclear winds begin their sweep.       

From:
To:
Date: Fri Aug 30 14:14:50 2002

Message:
Hey cube boy! Take this right angle and shove it up your ass. 

From:
To:
Date: Fri Aug 30 14:16:35 2002

Message:
What is the difference between a Jew and a pizza?
A pizza wont scream when you put it in the oven!

From: An Average American
To: The idiot above
Date: Fri Aug 30 14:36:03 2002

Message:
What is the difference between an anti-semite and a terrorist?

Nothing.

From: u know who
To: jew joke telling coward
Date: Sun Sep 1 18:47:48 2002

Message:
the pussy who told the jew joke was so scared he printed no 
name, i bet he was shaking and sweating when he wrote it.

From: An Average American
To: u know who
Date: Mon Sep 2 03:43:15 2002

Message:
Some pimply faced geek with two fingers on his teeny-weenie-
peenie, and the other hand on the keyboard.

Probably hiding out in his closet hoping his mommy doesn't 
catch him.

From:
To:
Date: Mon Sep 2 10:37:34 2002

Message:
Gary Anderson is a homo.               

From: Marie
To: Diana
Subject: Way To Go!
Date: Mon Sep 2 14:14:00 2002

Message:
Sooooooooo True! At least you see what's going on! Finally someone who sees through all the bullshit! :-)

From: Marie
To: The Chickenshit That Wont Put Its Name On Here That Thinks Osama/Usama is God!
Subject: Labotomy!
Date: Mon Sep 2 14:47:14 2002

Message:
You Have got to be the most useless, senceless, pile of Camel shit there ever has been! Next to UBL....UBL May be YOUR God, but you know in the end when you meet your maker, the real GOD! Father of Jesus, you know the King of ALL Mankind! Not Mohammed, or Whoever changed the Koran or Coran/whatever to that Crazy, Evil, NEW book that seems to be the rage in all terrorist camps! You will be sooooooooo sorry you made that comment! Usama is if anything (besides dead) the Anti-Christ! The best thing for you and I am going to assume all terrorists, is SEVERE Medical Help! Maybe instead of holding all these Al Queida, and Taliban, and whatever they are calling themselves in other coutries (besides dipshits/murderers) in GITMO is a LABOTOMY! I sure hope they get one before they are released to wherever they are going next! As for you I hope you get one as soon as possible...Your judgement day is comming sooner than you think, And I hope you have asked for forgiveness for the statements/and/or thoughts you actually posess in what's left of the few brain cells you have! And get off the poor goat he's about reemed out!       

From: Marie
To: Gene-Ray
Subject: That Cube Thing!
Date: Mon Sep 2 15:20:24 2002

Message:
Is that all they let you play with in the Mental Ward? Rubic's Cubes? And since when did the Mental Ward start letting the patient's have Internet Access? I bet you cant even make all the colors match! Well you and Billy Bob have a nice day! Dont spit out the Thorozine next time definately SWALLOW it! 

From: oh my
To: Marie
Date: Mon Sep 2 16:50:40 2002

Message:
Are you one of those broads who wears pantssuits and worships 
Shrillary Clinton?  Or are you just another bitch on the rag?       

From:
To:
Date: Mon Sep 2 21:35:05 2002

Message:
Nah. Hillary is a whole lot meaner.

From:
To:
Date: Tue Sep 3 02:06:25 2002

Message:
She's a better man than Bill!         

From:
To:
Date: Tue Sep 3 10:58:13 2002

Message:
^true^

From: Senator Hillary Clinton
To: the persons on this board
Date: Tue Sep 3 14:09:26 2002

Message:
I must tell you that those of you who do not like me must learn 
to keep it to yourselves.  I will not tolerate your making fun of 
me any more than my husband Bill would tolerate my performing 
fellatio on Saddam Hussein.  After all, dear people, Saddam is a 
dictator, but Bill is a dick tater.  Well, okay.  Maybe a tater 
tot.             

From: Jeff Schick
To: All
Subject: Afghanastan news board
Date: Sun Sep 8 23:37:30 2002

Message:
You are some of the most peculiar people I've come across on 
message boards.  

why isn't this board moderated at all?  Seems most of you want 
to joke around and use profanity.  How many times must I 
read "sandnigger" and the like?  There's also endless bashing on 
Jews here.  

Why don't you all pick up a copy of the New York Times to find 
out what's really going on in the world?

-Jeff

From: Slim Shady
To: Jeff Prick
Date: Sun Sep 8 23:41:37 2002

Message:
Jew York Times is nothing but propaganda.  Is that where you get 
all your information about the world, Jeff Prick???

From: Gene Ray
To:
Date: Mon Sep 9 12:39:12 2002

Message:
TIME CUBE IS GOING TO STICK HIS WEE-WEE INTO YOUR POO-POO HOLE.

WHEN TIME CUBE ENTERS THE VORTEX OF YOUR BLACK HOLE...

You'll see what happens!!!!

From: Marie
To: Terrorist FUCKS!!!!
Subject: Time To Meet YOUR Maker
Date: Tue Sep 10 19:14:02 2002

Message:
I am glad we have moved up to stage Orange because we can now take "OUR RIGHT TO BARE ARMS" and use them! Hope you have relatives that live in the USA.....You will face the ENTIRE Country Now!!!! 

From: squirrel
To:
Date: Wed Sep 11 15:43:32 2002

Message:
hey all you people out there who dont appreciate remembering the 
day on the attack u dumbasses respect it its for our country so 
get on your knees and worship me cuz i am God!!!!!!!Cassandra

From: sassy cassie the porn star.
To:
Subject: cum with me and my friends
Date: Wed Sep 11 15:23:29 2002

Message:
hey all u people out there who like to watch live fucking. i 
have my own website with me and brother. i also have some with 
with my friends. the website has my web cam in motion. please 
cum and watch. the site is www.insestfucking4fun.com 

From: .44
To: above post
Date: Thu Sep 12 01:22:29 2002

Message:
this site is for those who want to remember heroes.  You can 
get lost.          

From: Gene Ray
To:
Date: Thu Sep 12 19:58:07 2002

Message:
Hail, Squirrel!!!

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 12 19:59:28 2002

Message:
I'VE INVENTED A CAR THAT IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING ON HUMAN FARTS 
ALONE!!!! NOW, NO MORE DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL!!! THIS WILL 
CHANGE THE WORLD AND BRING PEACE TO OUR NATION.  BUT THERE ARE 
OMINOUS FORCES AT WORK WHO ARE TRYING TO STOP ME FROM INFORMING 
THE PUBLIC.  I'M AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE TO THE LABORATORY.  MY 
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ARE ALL TAMPERED WITH.  I'VE ELECTRONICALLY 
SWEPT MY RESIDENCE AND FOUND SEVERAL ''BUGS'' WHICH HAVE BEEN 
PLACED IN MY HOME WHILE I WAS AWAY AT WORK.  IF YOU COME ACROSS 
MY MESSAGE, PLEASE VISIT WWW.FARTPOWER.COM TO SEE MY LATEST 
INVENTION, WHICH WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE WAY WE TRAVEL AND HELP 
US GAIN OUR FREEDOM FROM TERRORISM.

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 12 21:19:40 2002

Message:
www.guerrillanewsnetwork.com

From: Walter
To: Jeffy
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:47:24 2002

Message:
If the words on this board upset you,why don't you leave,you 
fuckin crybaby?

From: Marie
To: Terrorist FUCKHEADS!!!
Subject: Well Well !!!
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:11:02 2002

Message:
You try and try and I told you, you would face not only the Armed Forces but Us Americans...You tried to blow up whatever you were trying to today Sept-13-02...And you got your asses kicked once more! TRUST ME! The American public is on the lookout, We will catch ALL your asses.. You never know who's watching you, and You ALL will be watched, taken into custody (And you should know by now the Police, FBI, and CIA in America dont Fuck Around)(They are kicking the shit out of your cohorts as we speak)(And THEY are talking) We will find all your Terrorist Cells, and Destroy them! And you will all be targets....This is just the beginning of the American People Uprising!!! You will Fail... Americans tend to pay attention, will let authorities know, and between the Armed Forces, The Law Enforcement, and the AMERICAN PEOPLE, you may think you stand a chance, but we are on it baby! You dont stand a snowballs chance in hell as far as we the American People are concerned....So go ahead do what your cowardly ass wants to TRY to do, but remember you are being watched by not only the Government, but Little John Doe as well..We will stop your cowardly asses...No Matter what...And we will give it our best shot back as well, but at least we have the courage to let you know who's going to whoop your ass...Not like you cowardly no name no face chickenshit bastards that you are. Beware we are all watching!!!! Morons!

From:
To: Muslims
Date: Sat Sep 14 04:54:13 2002

Message:
Saddam Hussein is Yazidi.  Beware!                       

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 00:57:39 2002

Message:
AMERICA IS DOOMED

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 22:26:58 2002

Message:
the above poster is a pussy.    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!          

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 22:26:58 2002

Message:
AMERICA WILL PREVAIL.  THOSE WHO ATTACK HER ARE DOOMED ON THE DAY 
OF JUDGEMENT.  THERE CAN BE NO ESCAPE.  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!         
 

From: me
To: USA
Subject: reality
Date: Sun Sep 15 21:49:12 2002

Message:
It's sad what happend the sept 11 2001, but it's time for you to 
get over it...it's a real tv show and it's too much now...You 
have all my respect for who died that day and i think you're 
government not the best for what i see they took too much time 
to do something about ben laden i think you lost time...and 
please stop say things like Americans the best because you still 
have things rectify like other countries...

Canada gave you more than 60 millions $$ to help you about the 
attack in sept 2001 so maybe it's time to see that you weren't 
alone to loose somebody close to you...and accept the fact that 
canada support you effort...

I have to say that All American you deserve to be thanked from 
your government to help each other like we never see before 
anywhere else for that you have all RESPECT...

From: An Average American
To: Above
Subject: RE: Reality
Date: Mon Sep 16 03:39:05 2002

Message:
While I thank you for your kind words, I want for you and all 
the world to know that we will never forget the events of 
September 11, 2001. We cannot, as these events are not 
something we are used to, nor will they ever be.

As an American who has traveled the world over, I thank God 
every day that I am an America; that I live in the United 
States of America. Yes, Amerca is the best country and form of 
government that has ever existed on this planet - regardless of 
our flaws. This very system, one based on law and not religion, 
is exactly the reason we could not go after bin Laden until 
after 9/11. You see, here in America, one is PRESUMED innocent 
until PROVEN guilty. Otherwise, the Taliban would have been 
annialated along with Saddam on Sept. 12, 2001.

Yes, Canada gave us a large sum of money. But it pales in 
comparison to the billions we have given Canada. Then there are 
all of these other countries the world over to whom we have 
collectively given what totals in the trillions of dollars over 
the years. We have defended the world not once, but twice in 
the same century. We ensured smaller nations could keep their 
identities from hostile foes. We have rebuilt the nations of 
friend and foe alike over the years. We have given incredibly 
huge amounts of humanitarian aid the world over to people of 
all faiths, creeds, races and colors. We have open the doors of 
or educational institutions to the entire world, paid their 
way, and sent them home to help improve their countries.

And you have the audasity to tell us that we are "wasting" our 
time by keeping the memory of Set. 11 2001 alive? You presume 
to tell us what we should have done? Sir, I am offended. Until 
you come to America, live here a while and come to understand 
the fundimentals that guide us, please, do not tell us what we 
should have or should not have done.

The entire world owes the United States of America for it's 
very freedom, for all of the aid, for the wars we have fought 
and died for to keep you free. For the food for the starving, 
the medicines for the sick, and a land where ANYONE can come to 
and be free.

The irony - we never ask for that debt to be paid. And what 
happens? We ask the world to back us in the face of a maniac 
like Saddam Hussien, and the world turns it's collective back. 
We now see what is going on.

We want your respect, we need your respect; but we will never 
kiss your collective ass to get your respect.

God Bless America

From: me
To: An Average American
Subject: RE: Reality
Date: Mon Sep 16 07:49:30 2002

Message:
Hello...We don't want you kiss our ass no it's not that but i 
read some messages here on this board and i found some of you 
(not all) miss respect about other nations...one thing you're 
right about what you did in the past and i'm sorry i didn't see 
that way and thanks to let us remember that...and i'm not 
against the remembered a year after the attack no i was watching 
it all day and it was sad for all of you ...the american nation 
are intelligent people and your government have the money for 
everything you have a big and solid army we know all that...and 
your right here in america we don't used to that kind of 
attack ...that's right the only thing i find you think you're 
the most greatest wonderfull country in the world and you well 
protect but you see what happen???if you are so greatest and you 
well protect how can be happen that day in sept 2001??? you know 
what i mean...i don't say that to be bad person  no it's just 
you didn't well protect like your government told you that's why 
i told this: you have things rectify ...so nobody's perfect in 
the world and that's ok but what can we do to be more protect 
against the bad people like ben laden who he has no heart and no 
mercy...so i hope you doing to response to me...have a nice day 
all of you  

From: Marie
To: Me or Whoever above
Subject: Venting
Date: Tue Sep 17 01:19:57 2002

Message:
You will find that alot of Americans are still pissed as hell and will be for a long, and sure we have made mistakes, but the above poster was right we are not used to this shit! And we will NEVER forget 9-11-01...But this is our only way to fight back! They wont let us get our hands on them so we have to vent our anger and frustration at them and if this is the only place we can find those spineless cowardly bastards, then we will do so...Most of us would wrather beat the living shit out of those terrorist bastards then kill them slowly and painfully...But we cant so we have to resort to this!

From: Marie
To: Terrorist Cowards
Subject: More Arrests
Date: Tue Sep 17 09:09:44 2002

Message:
Well Well, more top knotch arrests of the Kingpins of the Taliban and Al Queida..And whatever Terror Groups are out there still! Looks like you are going down BITCH! I just hope when they finally get to America there are sharpshooters waiting for them. Of corse that is after they have kicked the shit out of them and shot them up with Truth Syrum! Your end is near Idiots.. 

From: Marie
To: Oh My
Subject: Get it Right
Date: Tue Sep 17 09:28:15 2002

Message:
I'm just another Bitch! With a Capital B...Asswipe!

From: World civilian
To: Marie above
Date: Wed Sep 18 09:50:27 2002

Message:
There are many hatefull thoughts between our country(i 
assuma that you are an American) and practically a lot of 
people in the rest of the world. Ofcourse you are pised over 
what happened. But i am just as 'pissed' over things which 
were done by the government(s) of your country after that. 
And i certainly think we have reasons to.

W. 

From: the dairy king
To: An average American
Date: Wed Sep 18 09:55:34 2002

Message:
Average American, i sure hope not.

What the **** are you thinking? We are very angry at your 
country. I can say f words but at least i'll be decent. i hold 
your goverment responsible for the death of milions.

Let's think. You only watch CNN? In America there is no 
freedom of speech and the news that reaches you as nearly 
as subjective as a Baghdad newspaper. If you give your 
opinion in your country you can get beaten up if it is not 
patriot enough. Unlike my country where that risk is smaller.

The whole world should thank your nation for freedom. I 
would like to have a longer discussion with you about that in 
which my point is that that is (i promissed not to swear) not 
true.

4000 people died in that horrible attack(of course i mean 
11-9). That is horrible but 20.000 (five times as much) 
people died in India during an earthquake last year. That 
number wouldn't be so high if people would would be 
wealthy enough to build proper housing. Of course you 
might sday now that the earthquake was at least not done 
by people but by a natural disaster but does that mater for 
the people who are buried alive under tons of rubble. An 
Indian has the same value as an American so shup up with 
talking about human tragedy. 4000 innocent people is a 
tragedy but not bigger than any other 4000 elsewhere and 
we are talking about milions of people, dead or going to die 
all over the world. Some of them are dying by the hands of 
your filthy, mass killing hypocrate nation.

 America and my country are wealthy because other poeple 
are poor. The import for low prices from development 
countries make things so affordable. No matter how much 
we give. we owe the deth.

I think that you can receive a price for the most ignoran 
traveller. You prabobly travelled under Amerivcn guidance or 
in a specially arranged bus tour going from Mc Donalds to 
Burger king and back

From: the dairy king
To: me
Date: Wed Sep 18 10:13:48 2002

Message:
I admire your peacefull mind. If everyone would be as 
intelligent as you......

From: Marie
To: The Dairy King
Subject: What The Hell?
Date: Wed Sep 18 13:41:26 2002

Message:
Let me get this right! You are blaming us the USA for an earthquake that happened in India? And we have no freedom of speech? And what country would that be that is pissed at us now? (Like we care anymore) Let me tell you a couple things, there's a MAJOR difference in a Natural Disaster that took alot of lives (which I am sorry about that innocent people sholdnt be killed for any reason) But we will most Likely send Money to help like we always do, then go help rebuild like we always do, We are such selfish American's! But we were attacked MORON! And our innocent people that got killed were doing what us Americans do every day WORK! Big differance in a Natural Disaster and an ATTACK Jackass! We have helped more people in 200+ years than YOU have in thousands! And ask for nothing in return. And YOU probably have your freedom because OUR Soldiers Had to die for it! You say you and your country are wealthy why dont YOU pitch in and help those people?  I get the feeling your alot closer and can get to them alot faster. And at least we dont sit around crying and moaning about how we can miraculously bust into the 21st Century and catch up! And as for CNN is that all you think we have access to? Hell we can even get Al Jezeera, or whatever Islamic news we want, we are not hovered over by a dictatorship we are free to have access to whatever we want! Hell our country cant keep a secret let alone drum up some cockamammy story and expect us to swallow it! And as for freedom of speech your on an American Message Board expressing that freedom right now DIPSHIT! And who the hell are we killing with our "Filthy" hands besides those who attacked us first? And you have heard of McDonalds and Burger King have you? Another American Freedom you seem to enjoy! And as for Travel its because of Ignorant people like you that I dont! I am content to travel in the beautiful USA Thank You! I dont need to see deserts and Terrorist's sadling up the Old Camel heading off for thier next Suicide Mission which I would probably get caught in NO THANKS! I think I will stay right here in the USA! Well anyway I do believe you have earned the most Ignorant Award for the most Uninformed, Missled, Misguided, Spoon fed unaccurate informaton AND BELIEVING IT, with deep wallet and no sense of helping your own in thier time of Crisis, Crying Whynning ASS!!! Just remember why your country is wealthy and free its probably due to us SELFISH Americans!!!!! Put the Pipe Down You've Had to much of that Shit!  

From:
To:
Date: Wed Sep 18 15:53:18 2002

Message:
Funny how the whole world hates America when people from all over 
the world want to move here!  Cubans, Chinese, Mexicans, etc.  So 
people that hate America even have to admit that people from all 
over the world love it here!                 

From: The dairy king
To: Marie
Date: Wed Sep 18 18:45:42 2002

Message:
Ah there is your answer. My country was liberated due to the 
dying from soldiers from all over the world. The most soldiers 
came from Poland and Russia, 12 milion if not more died.

Funny that you say that i'm crying without helping the poor. I 
am a worker for a Non Governmental Organisation in the 
Philippines. I stayed there for more than a year and now i work 
for a human rights organisation. It is the thing i like doing 
best. 

I'm also not a cry baby. For a short while i was homeless in 
Manila and slept in the streets. Only a few months after i was 
still with my mommy and daddy safely at home. I never cried and 
thanks to poor Filipino's i could come home.

That's why i also know that 1.4 milion Filipino's died in the 
battle for their freedom from... the American colonisation. 
Working as a journalist i now know the agenda of the armed 
American forces in the Philippines. Dear Marie. I know things 
about injustice you don't seem to know.

We have Burger King and Mac Donalds in my country but again you 
are wrong. I don't enjoy them. I don't eat junk food and i'm a 
vegetarian.

My country doesn't thank it's wealth to America. If you would 
know the history than you would know that the west of Europe had 
wealth when the US wasn't even independant yet. That brings me 
to the next thing you perhaps don't know about you own history.

In the 18th century when your country was fighting for your 
independance from the British empire the Yanks received weapons 
from my nation and Spain. They were in war with Brittain to.

I hope you know your country well enough. You have desserts to. 
Navajo, Colorado. I knew that when i was 7 years old. How well 
do you know the Philippines?

There is less freedom of speech in your country. If i would say 
these things in your street i might deffinetely get beaten up. 
In spite of the same anger we feel. If you would say these 
things in my place we would go into discussion but we wouldn't 
swear or attack.

Until next and have a nice day, (and when we say that we mean it)

From: The dairy king
To: Mary
Subject: adding more
Date: Wed Sep 18 19:04:10 2002

Message:
Talking about freedom of speech. This is the internet. it is an 
American website but the net is international.

My country is investing in development to. The amount is lower 
because my country is (like someone else set on this site)a 
couple of hundred times smaller than your country.

America has foreign depths. Bush highed up the investment in 
development areas. But like also someone else said before. Don't 
forget that we both thank our wealth to the poor people all over 
the world. We live so easily because ower import prices are so 
low, because the places from where we import for example our 
bananas are porr and therefor cheap.

My place is not closer to the poor world. Mexico is on a similar 
level in poverty as eastern Europe. Eastern europe is not my 
neighbor. Germany and Austria are in betwwen. i don't know from 
which place in the States you come but if you would live near 
the Rio Grande you are on a walking distance from development 
area's. the Phlippines by the way is 12400 kilometers away from 
my house.

You seem to misjudge me on many ways. Especially the fact that 
you use dirty words while you say that i'm not doing anything 
about poverty is very typical. i am doing something about 
poverty as i explained you and at least , in spit of my rage i 
stay decent. and that is all we need in these hard times.


From: The dairy king
To: Marie and everyone
Subject: By the way
Date: Wed Sep 18 19:30:21 2002

Message:
Through the whole bush i forgor the main three. In my first 
lines is written clearly that i'm not accusing anyone of an 
earthquake. I'm saying that i mind 4000 dead people in India 
just as much as 4000 in a western country. Even though they 
didn't die by violence it is still a nasty tragedy because the 
20.000 people there died by poverty, not being able to build 
strong housing. I didn't blame anyone for that. So i'm not angry 
at anyone, especially not the US, for a natural disaster which 
was bound to happen. Never have been. That was misunderstood by 
anyone who understood that.

From: Dairy Queens Boss
To: Dairy Queen
Subject: your journalism job?
Date: Wed Sep 18 20:59:10 2002

Message:
You are so fucking fired! Back to the mean streets of Manila for 
you, writing "save the earth" and "hate America" phamplets on 
used toilet paper!!

From: Dairy queen
To: Dairy queen boss
Date: Thu Sep 19 07:10:39 2002

Message:
I'm allready doing that. But are you willing to go into 
discussion? Or are you afraid that everything i said above 
makes sense?


From: me
To: patriot
Date: Thu Sep 19 10:09:31 2002

Message:
i think you are right about wut you sayed

From: The dairy queen with the shiny dress
To: me
Date: Thu Sep 19 11:11:38 2002

Message:
Salamat me

From: An Average American
To: Dairy King
Date: Thu Sep 19 16:18:15 2002

Message:
spconn@sbcglobal.net - That is my email address.

I do not know what your back-ground is; wwheter or not you've 
spent time my nation or not, where you where educated, and so 
on, but allow me this:

I grieved for the 20000 lost, but as you pointed out, this was 
not a wanton act of terror and war. It was a natural disaster. 
And who was there to help? The US.

As for this myth that you might get "beaten up" for some 
statement considered "anti-patriotic", I must take issue. While 
there are people here in the USA that do not understand the 
concept of freedom of speech, there are many, many more that 
will defend that concept even unto death. In fact, there have 
been numerous anti-war demonstrations, leading right into the 
US Capitol building in fact, and no-one has been beaten up. I 
can go on and on, but I am hoping that the examples I've cited 
are evidence enough.

I write letters to my political representitives when I feel the 
need, and no-one has come to arrest me. Why is that?

Now, lets talk about these murders:

None existant. The US is not the forboding behemouth that many 
have made her out to be. We do not, aggressively or otherwise, 
attempt to "rule" nations, using murder as a tool. This is 
against the very principles upon which this nation was founded. 
We have made mistakes - involved ourselves in situations better 
left alone, but let's look at your nations own recent history. 
Since 1948, India and Pakistain have fought war after war for a 
piece of snowbound, rocky, mountain country-side that offers 
little. And for what? How many have died? Three wars now, and 
you both stand at the doorstep of nuclear annialation. And you 
stand in judgement of the US, and raise your fist to Pakistain 
while ignoring the steady encroachment of China upon your 
northern territories? These are the acts of a coward, sir.

Go on and hate us. We here in the US understand why the world 
hates us. It is simple - we are top-dog. It is funny how when 
there was a Soviet Union, and the world was terrified, we could 
do no wrong. Now, the world for the most part accuses us of all 
that is wrong. Why is this? What have we done? Or is it 
simplely that because of the ability and freedom the world has 
to criticize our every move, they do so.

I believe so. It is what we sometimes refer to as 
a "Victocratic Mentality". That being the need of people to 
point a finger and blame someone else for what they themselves 
have caused. This allows them to percieve themselves as 
fultless. It happens here in the US all the time.

You have my email address. Feel free...

From: An Average American
To: Dairy King
Date: Thu Sep 19 16:49:11 2002

Message:
By the way, I read foreign news papers (on-line) every day. You 
mention the Iraqi press. The Iraqi National Press has yet to 
tell their readers that the Iraqi Government has decided 
to "allow un-fettered access" by UN weapons inspectors into 
Iraq. Why do you suppose this is?

From: Marie
To: Dairy King
Subject: Your First and Several Other Lines
Date: Fri Sep 20 00:38:53 2002

Message:
Man your story is changing every time you type! I know you were talking to someone else but I just had to respond. Your first few lines were "What the ....are you thinking? We are very angry at your country. I can say F words but at least I'll be decent. I hold your government responsible for the death of millions". You then went on to say "An Indian has the same value as an American so shut up with talking about human tradgedy". Then you said "Some of them are dying by the hands of your filthy mass killing hypocrite nation". I suppose I misunderstood ALL that! Your country got rich because your government STOLE from your society. Look in Emelda's closet and see her 200+ pairs of shoes that just had to match her dresses and purses! And Ferdinand's house WHEWEEE!! Gold everywhere!!! But they are gone now arent they! I do believe your people got sick of thier shit and said we arent going to take this anymore. Then Poor Old Beninio Akino was a threat to the Marcos's existance and he was assasinated. Then I do believe his wife won an election overwhealmingly and was president! I'm lost on who was president since Ms Akino and the current LADY president! The point I am trying to make here DEAR Burger King oops Dairy King is maybe I know a little more about your own history than YOU do! Yes I have been through the deserts of this Beautiful, Majestic Land of Mine! I just dont see anyone saddling up Camels and going on their next Homicide Mission. I am glad you acknowledge that the MURDER of 4000 innocent civilans was a tragedy of course it was it was MURDER. That does make it a different set of consequences than an earthquake in India! I never said their lives were not as valuable as ours! I believe ALL lives are valuable. But I know one more thing that you may not know, within 2 weeks of the MURDERS in our country yours was one of the first presidents (cant remember her name at the moment ) That came to OUR country asking US to help stop the terrorists that exist in your country! That's why we are there Mr. Know It All..Fighting ONCE AGAIN for YOUR right to exist without terrorism! Freedom! Has a new meaning to that word these days! So think before you hold us accountable for the death of mllions at our "Filthy" hands. And before you get any more "Angry" at OUR country and hold us accountale for millions of deaths, just remember the millions of deaths will be the terrorist FUCKERS that are in your land that we have been asked to stop by YOUR government! So YOU will have YOUR right to exist with the consequences and loss of OUR Soldiers! So you dont hold OUR government accountable for Jack Shit! And before you call us AMERICANS Hypocrites take a look at your vegitarian ass and say GEE MAYBE they are helping US. Maybe we wont face anialation from terrorists. We Americans are now fighting for OUR RIGHT TO EXIST! And for yours too! And the whole world does not hate the USA..We have something called the "Free Trade Agreement" Which is providing jobs for your people in OUR country and jobs for our people in YOUR country, And China, Jamaica, Taiwon, Japan, Mexico, etc. etc. Once again we are such bad Americans! So the only "Filthy" Hypocrite ( To use your own words ) Is YOU! You should kiss the ground that our Soldiers walk on in YOUR country, for without us you will face anialation....The only way your country got rich was growing Heroin and Cocain and exporting it. So if you were sleeping on the streets when you were 7 its due to your own ( At the time theiving government ) So dont presume to tell me about history Dipshit!           

From: Marie
To: Dairy King
Subject: Oh Yeah That Freedom of Speech Thing!
Date: Fri Sep 20 02:51:23 2002

Message:
There was a time when a few years ago, There was this thing called "The Million Man March" All Races, all Colors, all Creeds, all Religions. They marched right up to the Capital steps in Washington D.C., spoke their Opinions about whatever was on their mind good or bad, and not 1 person got their ass kicked out of a million people! So when you say we have no "Freedom of Speech" You have no idea of what your talking about! And You say America has Foreign Debts? Where the hell have you been? We have givin more money, fought more wars so others ( uncluding us ) at the request of other Nations mind you, could be free. Helped rebuild COUNTRIES, Helped others in financial crisis, and I think now its time to collect. We dont owe anybody anything! If anything they owe us! But we are a giving Nation like the above poster said people bitch about us but when they have had the opportunity to live here they sure change their tune and seem to Love it here! Wonder why that is? Hmmm now scratch your head and think about that one for a bit! 

From: The dairy king
To: Marie
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:44:08 2002

Message:
Now you made a mistake miss. I'm not from India or Pakistan. 
Just because i'm not from these countries doesn't mean that i 
don't care about India.

From where did you get the concept that I'm Indian?

I told you before, when i want to go to a poor country i have to 
cross Germany and Austria. Are Germany and Austria neighbours of 
India or Pakistan? No.

So, these are acts of a coward? Prabobly but what do i have to 
do with that? Shall i complain to you about the Argentinian 
government? No, because you are an American and not an 
Argentinan>

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:51:23 2002

Message:
I'm not scatching my head because the things you say don't make 
sense. where shall i start. The presidents of the Phillipines 
were allies of your government. Arroyo, the president now is a 
big fan of your country, she doesn't know about the problems in 
the south.

By the way, i'm not a Filipino either. Germany and Austria are 
not neighbours of this country either.

The main export product of the Philippines is not Cocain.

I am a journalist who lived in the Philippines.

Got to go to work. I will go on later. By the way. I am free so 
you are not able to tell me when to scatch my head or to think 
about what you want me to think. I never told you the same 
either.

My stories are not contradictive. I have been honest from the 
start. I will explain the contradiction you think there is than.


From: CHICOZEN
To: The dairy king
Date: Fri Sep 20 12:33:38 2002

Message:
never have i heard so much bs in my life...Who the fuck cares 
where you are from or just how educated you are.  SIMPLE: 
Either you are with us or you are not.  I understand that its 
frustrating when "Americans" are so ignorant about the history 
of their own country...and never acknowlege the wrongs 
committed by this nation...but you name the holy nation and the 
holy goverment that has never abused power.  It doesn't 
exist...UNDERSTAND THAT.  We are in a situation where we can 
choose to stay and fight for this country or go somewhere 
else.  And if you are somewhere else...STAY THERE...with that 
angelic goverement of yours.

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 13:17:13 2002

Message:
U.S. War Crimes in Iraq

A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the 
Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal

By Ramsey Clark and Others
 
Index of Crimes
The United States engaged in a pattern of conduct beginning in 
or before 1989 intended to lead Iraq into provocations 
justifying U.S. military action against Iraq and permanent U.S. 
military domination of the Gulf. 
President Bush from August 2, 1990 intended and acted to 
prevent any interference with his plan to destroy Iraq 
economically and militarily. 
President Bush ordered the destruction of facilities essential 
to civilian life and economic productivity throughout Iraq. 
The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed civilian 
life, commercial and business districts, schools, hospitals, 
mosques, churches, shelters, residential areas, historical 
sites, private vehicles and civilian government offices. 
The United States intentionally bombed indiscriminately 
throughout Iraq. 
The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed Iraqi 
military personnel, used excessive force, killed soldiers 
seeking to surrender and in disorganised individual flight, 
often unarmed and far from any combat zones and randomly and 
wantonly killed Iraqi soldiers and destroyed materiel after the 
cease fire.
The United States used prohibited weapons capable of mass 
destruction and inflicting indiscriminate death and unnecessary 
suffering against both military and civilian targets. 
The United States intentionally attacked installations in Iraq 
containing dangerous substances and forces. 
President Bush ordered U.S. forces to invade Panama, resulting 
in the deaths of 1,000 to 4,000 Panamanians and the destruction 
of thousands of private dwellings, public buildings, and 
commercial structures. 
President Bush obstructed justice and corrupted United Nations 
functions as a means of securing power to commit crimes against 
peace and war crimes. 
President Bush usurped the Constitutional power of Congress as 
a means of securing power to commit crimes against peace, war 
crimes, and other high crimes. 
The United States waged war on the environment. 
President Bush encouraged and aided Shiite Muslims and Kurds to 
rebel against the government of Iraq causing fratricidal 
violence, emigration, exposure, hunger and sickness and 
thousands of deaths. After the rebellion failed, the U.S. 
invaded and occupied parts of Iraq without authority in order 
to increase division and hostility within Iraq. 
President Bush intentionally deprived the Iraqi people of 
essential medicines, potable water, food, and other 
necessities. 
The United States continued its assault on Iraq after the cease 
fire, invading and occupying areas at will. 
The United States has violated and condoned violations of human 
rights, civil liberties and the U.S. Bill of Rights in the 
United States, in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to achieve 
its purpose of military domination. 
The United States, having destroyed Iraq's economic base, 
demands reparations, which will permanently impoverish Iraq and 
threaten its people with famine and epidemic.
 
President Bush systematically manipulated, controlled, 
directed, misinformed and restricted press and media coverage 
to obtain constant support in the media for his military and 
political goals. 
The United States has by force secured a permanent military 
presence in the Gulf, the control of its oil resources and 
geopolitical domination of the Arabian Peninsula and Gulf 
region. 
 
Initial Complaint 
Charging
George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker, 
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell, 
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named 
With 
Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Final Judgement:
International War Crimes Tribunal
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting 
in New York, have carefully considered the Initial Complaint of 
the Commission of Inquiry dated May 6, 1991 against President 
George H. W. Bush, Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, Secretary 
of Defense Richard Cheney, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf Commander of 
the Allied Forces in the Persian Gulf, and others named in the 
Complaint charging them with nineteen separate crimes against 
peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in violation of 
the Charter of the United Nations, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, 
the First Protocol thereto, and other international agreements 
and customary international law: 
having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit 
in judgement regarding violations of international humanitarian 
law; 
having heard the testimony from various Commissions of Inquiry 
hearings held within their own countries and/or elsewhere 
during the past year and having received reports from numerous 
other Commission hearings which recite the evidence there 
gathered; 
having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness 
statements, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert 
analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Commission; 
having access to all evidence, knowledge, and expert opinion in 
the Commission files or available to the Commission; 
having been provided by the Commission, or elsewhere obtained, 
various books, articles, and other written materials on various 
aspects of events and conditions in the Persian Gulf and 
military and arms establishments; 
having considered newspaper coverage, magazine and periodical 
reports, special publications, T.V., radio, and other media 
coverage and public statements by the accused, other public 
officials and other public materials; 
having heard the presentations of the Commission of Inquiry in 
public hearing on February 29, 1992, the testimony and evidence 
there presented; and having met, considered and deliberated 
with each other and with Commission staff and having considered 
all the evidence that is relevant to the nineteen charges of 
criminal conduct alleged in the Initial Complaint make the 
following findings. 
Findings
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each 
of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence 
against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in 
the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to 
have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt. 
The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to 
be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we 
condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of 
the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all 
people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to 
hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which 
lasting peace must be based. 
Recommendations
The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, 
sanctions and penalties against Iraq because they constitute a 
continuing crime against humanity. 
The Members urge public action to prevent new aggressions by 
the United States threatened against Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Haiti, 
North Korea, Pakistan and other countries and the Palestine 
people; fullest condemnation of any threat or use of military 
technology against life, both civilian and military, as was 
used by the United States against the people of Iraq. 
The Members urge that the power of the United Nations Security 
Council, which was blatantly manipulated by the U.S. to 
authorise illegal military action and sanctions, be vested in 
the General Assembly; that all permanent members be removed and 
that the right of veto be eliminated as undemocratic and 
contrary to the basic principles of the U.N. Charter. 
The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent 
preservation of the reports, evidence, and materials gathered 
to make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide 
the widest possible distribution of the truth about the U.S. 
assault on Iraq. 
Charges of Other Countries
In accordance with the last paragraph of the Initial Complaint 
designated Scope of Inquiry, the Commission has gathered 
substantial evidence of criminal acts by governments and 
individual officials in addition to those formally presented 
here. Formal charges have been drafted by some Commissions of 
Inquiry against other governments in addition to the United 
States. Those charges have not been acted upon here. The 
Commission of Inquiry or any of its national components may 
choose to pursue such other charges at some future time. The 
Members urge all involved to exert their utmost effort to 
prevent recurrences of violations by other governments that 
were not considered here. 
Done in New York this 29th day of February, 1992. 
(signed) 
Olga Mejia, Panama 
President of the National Human Rights Commission in Panama, a 
non-governmental body representing peasants' organisations, 
urban trade unions, women's groups and others. 
  
Sheik Mohamed Rashid, Pakistan 
Former deputy prime minister. Long-term political prisoner 
during the struggle against British colonialism and activist 
for workers' and peasants' rights. 
  
Dr. Haluk Gerger, Turkey 
Founding member of Turkish Human Rights Association and 
professor of political science. Dismissed from Ankara 
University by military government. 
  
Susumu Ozaki, Japan 
Former judge and pro-labour attorney imprisoned 1934-1938 for 
violating Security Law under militarist government for opposing 
Japan's invasion of China. 
  
Michael Ratner, USA 
Attorney, former director of the Centre for Constitutional 
Rights, past president of the National Lawyers Guild. 
  
Lord Tony Gifford, Britain 
Human rights lawyer practising in England and Jamaica. 
Investigated human rights abuses in British-occupied Ireland. 
  
Rene Dumont, France 
Argonomist, ecologist, specialist in agriculture of developing 
countries, author. His 45th book, This War Dishonours Us, 
appears in 1992. 
  
Bassam Haddadin, Jordan 
Member of Parliament, Second Secretary for the Jordanian 
Democratic Peoples Party. Member of Parliamentary Committee on 
Palestine. 
  
Dr. Sherif Hetata, Egypt 
Medical Doctor, author, member of the Central Committee of the 
Arab Progressive Unionist Party. Political prisoner 14 years in 
1950s and 1960s. 
  
Deborah Jackson, USA 
First vice president of the American Association of Jurists, 
former director of National Conference of Black Lawyers. 
  
Opato Matarmah, Menominee Nation of North America 
Involved in defence of human rights of indigenous peoples since 
1981. Represented the International Indian Treaty Council at 
the Commission of Human Rights at the U.N. 
  
Laura Albizu, Campos Meneses, Puerto Rico 
Past President of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party and 
current Secretary for Foreign Relations. Honorary president of 
Peace Council. 
  
Aisha Nyerere, Tanzania 
Resident Magistrate of the High Court in Arusha, Tanzania. 
Researched the impact of the Gulf war on East Africa. 
  
Peter Leibovtich, Canada 
President of United Steel Workers of America, USWA, Local 8782 
and of the Executive Council of the Ontario Federation of 
Labour. 
  
John Philpot, Quebec 
Attorney, member of Board of Directors of Quebec Movement for 
Sovereignty. Organising Secretary for the American Association 
of Jurist in Canada. 
  
John Jones, USA 
Community leader in the state of New Jersey. Vietnam veteran 
who became leader of movement against U.S. attack on Iraq. 
  
Gloria La Riva, USA 
Founding member of the Farm workers Emergency Relief Committee 
and Emergency Committee to Stop the U.S. War in the Middle East 
in San Francisco. 
  
Key Martin, USA 
Member of Executive Committee of Local 3 of the Newspaper Guild 
in New York. Jailed in 1967 for taking message of Bertrand 
Russell Tribunal on Vietnam to active duty Gls. 
  
Dr. Alfred Mechtersheimer, Germany 
Former member of the Bundestag from the Green Party. Former 
Lieutenant Colonel in the Bundeswher; current peace researcher. 
  
Abderrazak Kilani, Tunisia 
Tunisian Bar Association. Former President, Association of 
Young Lawyers; founding member, National Committee to Lift the 
Embargo from Iraq. 
  
Tan Sri Ahmad Noordin bin Zakaria, Malaysia 
Former Auditor General of Malaysia. Known throughout his 
country for battling corruption in government. 
  
P. S. Poti, India 
Former Chief Justice of the Gujarat High Court. In 1989 elected 
president of the All-India Lawyers Union. 

Copyright   1992 by The Commission of Inquiry for the 
International War Crimes Tribunal 


From:
To:
Subject: Korea
Date: Fri Sep 20 13:30:24 2002

Message:
Korea War Crimes Tribunal Finds U.S. Government Guilty

 

On June 23rd, in New York City, the Korea International War 
Crimes Tribunal condemned the U.S. Government for its crimes 
committed against the people of Korea from 1945-2001. The 
tribunal found the U.S. government guilty on 19 counts of War 
Crimes, Crimes Against Peace, and Crimes Against Humanity for 
its actions in Korea from 1945 to the present. 
The tribunal, which heard testimony from eyewitnesses and 
survivors of massacres carried out by the U.S. military during 
the Korean War (1950-53), was organized by the Korean Truth 
Commission. The commission was formed in May 2000 by 
representatives from both north and south Korea as well as from 
overseas Korean communities. In addition, representatives from 
the U.S. and the 15 other countries, which took part in the war 
of aggression against Korea, took part in the tribunal. 
Participants in the tribunal presented their findings to the 
United Nations in New York on July 24th, and then on the 
following day led a caravan to Washington D.C. for a protest 
rally and march to the White House. 
Below we reprint the final judgement of the tribunal, issued on 
June 23rd. 


THE KOREA INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL
The Final Judgment 


The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal, 
meeting in New York, having considered the Indictment for 
Offenses Committed by the Government of the United States of 
America Against the People of Korea, 1945-2001, which charges 
all U.S. Presidents, all Secretaries of State, all Secretaries 
of Defense, all Secretaries of the armed services, all Chiefs 
of Staff, all heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and 
other U.S. foreign intelligence agencies, all Directors of the 
National Security Agency, all National Security Advisors, all 
U.S. military commanders in Korea and commanders of units which 
participated in war crimes, over the period from 1945 to the 
present, with nineteen separate War Crimes, Crimes Against 
Peace and Crimes Against Humanity in violation of the Charter 
of the United Nations, the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal, 
the Hague Regulations of 1907, the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the 
1929 and 1949 Geneva Conventions, the Convention on the 
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948, 
other international agreements and customary international law, 
the laws of the United States, the laws of Korea and the laws 
of other nations that have been forced to provide bases, 
support and military personnel for United States actions 
against Korea;


Having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit 
in judgment regarding violations of international humanitarian 
law; 


Having heard the testimony from various hearings of the Korea 
Truth Commission held over the past year and having received 
evidence from various other Commission hearings which recite 
the evidence there gathered; 


Having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness 
testimonies, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert 
analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Korea Truth 
Commission; 


Having access to all evidence, knowledge and expert opinion in 
the Commission files or available to the Commission staff; 


Having considered the Report from the Korean Truth Commission 
(South) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean War, providing 
eyewitness accounts by survivors of massacres of civilians in 
farming villages in southern Korea by U.S. military forces 
during the 1950-53 war; 


Having considered the Report from the Democratic People s 
Republic of Korea (DPRK) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean 
War, prepared by the Investigation Committee of the National 
Front for Democratic Reunification, providing details on war 
crimes and crimes against humanity committed in the north by 
the U.S. from June to December 1950; 


Having been provided by the Commission, or otherwise obtained, 
various books, articles and other written materials on various 
aspects of events and conditions in Korea, and in the military 
and arms establishments; 


Having heard the presentations of the Korea Truth Commission in 
public hearing on June 23, 2001, and the testimony, evidence 
and summaries there presented; 


Having considered the testimonies of those Koreans denied visas 
to personally attend the hearings by the governments of the 
U.S. and the Republic of Korea (ROK), but presented in the form 
of videotaped interviews and documents; 


Having been informed that the Korea Truth Commission gave ample 
opportunity to U.S. government defendants to attend and present 
evidence in their defense, which up to the moment of this 
verdict they have been unable or unwilling to do; and 


Having met, considered and deliberated with each other and with 
Commission staff and having considered all the evidence that is 
relevant to the nineteen charges of criminal conduct alleged in 
the Initial Complaint, make the following Findings: 

The Members of the International War Crimes Tribunal find the 
accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them: each 
of the nineteen separate crimes alleged in the Initial 
Complaint has been established to have been committed beyond a 
reasonable doubt. The Members find these crimes to have 
occurred during three main periods in the U.S. intervention in 
and occupation of Korea.

The best-known period is from June 25, 1950, until July 27, 
1953, the "Korean War," when over 4.6 million Koreans perished, 
according to conservative Western estimates, including 3 
million civilians in the north and 500,000 civilians in the 
south. The evidence of U.S. war crimes presented to this 
Tribunal included eyewitness testimony and documentary accounts 
of massacres of thousands of civilians in southern Korea by 
U.S. military forces during the war. 
Abundant evidence was also presented concerning criminal and 
even genocidal U.S. conduct in northern Korea, including the 
systematic leveling of most buildings and dwellings by U.S. 
artillery and aerial bombardment; widespread atrocities 
committed by U.S. and R.O.K. forces against civilians and 
prisoners of war; the deliberate destruction of facilities 
essential to civilian life and economic production; and the use 
of illegal weapons and biological and chemical warfare by the 
U.S. against the people and the environment of northern Korea. 
Documentary and eyewitness evidence was also presented showing 
gross and systematic violence committed against women in 
northern and southern Korea, characterized by mass rapes, 
sexual assaults and murders.

Less known but of crucial importance in understanding the war 
period is the preceding five years, from the landing of U.S. 
troops in Korea on September 8, 1945, to the outbreak of the 
war. The Members of the Tribunal examined extensive evidence of 
U.S. crimes against peace and crimes against humanity in this 
period. 
The Members conclude that the U.S. government acted to divide 
Korea against the will of the vast majority of the people, 
limit its sovereignty, create a police state in southern Korea 
using many former collaborators with Japanese rule, and provoke 
tension and threats between southern and northern Korea, 
opposing and disrupting any plans for peaceful reunification. 

In this period the U.S. trained, directed and supported the ROK 
in systematic murder, imprisonment, torture, surveillance, 
harassment and violations of human rights of hundreds of 
thousands of people, especially of those individuals or groups 
considered nationalists, leftists, peasants seeking land 
reform, union organizers and/or those sympathetic to the north.

The Members find that in the period from July 1953 to the 
present, the U.S. has continued to maintain a powerful military 
force in southern Korea, backed by nuclear weapons, in 
violation of international law and intended to obstruct the 
will of the Korean people for reunification. 
Military occupation has been accompanied by the organized 
sexual exploitation of Korean women, frequently leading to 
violence and even murder of women by U.S. soldiers who have 
felt above the law. U.S.-imposed economic sanctions have 
impoverished and debilitated the people of northern Korea, 
leading to a reduction of life expectancy, widespread 
malnutrition and even starvation in a country that once 
exported food. 

The refusal of the U.S. government to grant visas to a 
delegation from the Democratic People s Republic of Korea who 
planned to attend this Tribunal only confirms the criminal 
intent of the defendants to isolate those whom they have abused 
to prevent them from telling their story to the world. In all 
these 55 years, the U.S. government has systematically 
manipulated, controlled, directed, misinformed and restricted 
press and media coverage to obtain consistent support for its 
military intervention, occupation and crimes against the people 
of Korea. It has also inculcated racist attitudes within the 
U.S. troops and general population that prepared them to commit 
and/or accept atrocities and genocidal policies against the 
Korean people.

It has violated the Constitution of the United States, the 
delegation of powers over war and the military, the Bill of 
Rights, the UN Charter, international law and the laws of the 
ROK, DPRK, People s Republic of China, Japan and many others, 
in its lawless determination to exercise its will over the 
Korean peninsula.

The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal hold 
the United States government and its leaders accountable for 
these criminal acts and condemn those found guilty in the 
strongest possible terms. Recommendations:

The Members call for the immediate end of U.S. occupation of 
all Korean territory, the removal of all U.S. bases, forces and 
materiel, including land mines, from the region, the 
rectification of environmental damage, and the cessation of 
overt and covert operations against northern Korea. 

The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, 
sanctions and penalties against northern Korea because they 
constitute a continuing crime against humanity.The Members call 
for emergency funds to be provided to the people of northern 
Korea through the Democratic People s Republic of Korea to feed 
the hungry and care for the sick, whose suffering is a direct 
result of U.S. policies.

The Members call for reparations to be paid by the U.S. 
government to all of Korea to compensate for the damage 
inflicted by 55 years of violence and economic warfare. The 
Members further call for an immediate end to all interference 
by the U.S. aimed at preventing the people of Korea from 
reunifying as they choose.

The Members call for the U.S. government to make full 
disclosure of all information about U.S. crimes and wrongful 
acts committed in Korea since September 7, 1945.

The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent 
preservation of the reports, evidence and materials gathered to 
make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide the 
widest possible distribution of the truth about U.S. crimes in 
Korea. We urge all people of the world to act on 
recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power 
accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace 
must be based. Done in New York this 23rd day of June, 2001.


From:
To:
Subject: Vietnam
Date: Fri Sep 20 13:46:57 2002

Message:
VIETNAM WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL in to the alleged War Crimes 
ordered by the United States Government

Verdict of the [first] Stockholm Session
The International War Crimes Tribunal, during the session held 
at Stockholm from 2 to 10 May 1967, studied the two following 
questions included in its programme, adopted in London on 15 
November 1966: 

Has the United States Government (and the Governments of 
Australia, New Zealand and South Korea) committed acts of 
aggression according to international law? Has there been 
bombardment of targets of a purely civilian character, for 
example hospitals, schools, sanatoria, dams, etc., and on what 
scale has this occurred?
Having heard the qualified representatives of the Democratic 
Republic of Vietnam and noted the official refusal of the 
government of the United States of America to make known its 
point of view, and this despite the various appeals addressed 
to it;
Having heard the various reporters, the experts, numerous 
witnesses, including members of the investigating teams which 
it had itself sent to Vietnam, as well as Vietnamese victims of 
the war;
Having examined several written, photographic and 
cinematographic documents, together with numerous exhibits... 
considers itself able to take the following decisions. 

Verdict of the Tribunal


Has the Government of the United States committed acts of 
aggression against Vietnam under the terms of international law?
Yes (unanimously). 

Has there been, and if so, on what scale, bombardment of purely 
civilian targets, for example, hospitals, schools, medical 
establishments, dams, etc?
Yes (unanimously).
We find the government and armed forces of the United States 
are guilty of the deliberate, systematic and large-scale 
bombardment of civilian targets, including civilian 
populations, dwellings, villages, dams, dikes, medical 
establishments, leper colonies, schools, churches, pagodas, 
historical and cultural monuments.
We also find unanimously, with one abstention, that the 
government of the United States of America is guilty of 
repeated violations of the sovereignty, neutrality and 
territorial integrity of Cambodia, that it is guilty of attacks 
against the civilian population of a certain number of 
Cambodian towns and villages. 

Have the governments of Australia, New Zealand and South Korea 
been accomplices of the United States in the aggression against 
Vietnam in violation of international law?
Yes (unanimously).
The question also arises as to whether or not the governments 
of Thailand and other countries have become accomplices to acts 
of aggression or other crimes against Vietnam and its 
populations. We have not been able to study this question 
during the present session. We intend to examine at the next 
session legal aspects of the problem and to seek proofs of any 
incriminating facts.
Endorsed ne variatur
The President of the Tribunal
Jean-Paul Sartre
Stockholm, 10 May 1967

Verdict of the Second Session
The International War Crimes Tribunal does as a result of 
deliberations render its verdict as follows:

Is the Government of Thailand guilty of complicity in the 
aggression committed by the United States Government against 
Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the Government of the Philippines guilty of complicity in 
the aggression committed by the United States Government 
against Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the Government of Japan guilty of complicity in the 
aggression committed by the United States Government against 
Vietnam?
Yes, by 8 Votes to 3.
(The three Tribunal members who voted against agree that the 
Japanese Government gives considerable aid to the Government of 
the United States, but do not agree on its complicity in the 
crime of aggression.)

Has the United States Government committed aggression against 
the people of Laos, according to the definition provided by 
international law?
Yes (unanimously).

Have the armed forces of the United States used or experimented 
with weapons prohibited by the laws of war?
Yes (unanimously). {365}

Have prisoners of war captured by the armed forces of the 
United States been subjected to treatment prohibited by the 
laws of war?
Yes (unanimously).

Have the armed forces of the United States subjected the 
civilian population to inhuman treatment prohibited by 
international law?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the United States Government guilty of genocide against the 
people of Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

From:
To:
Subject: How democratic is the US
Date: Fri Sep 20 13:50:10 2002

Message:
How democratic is the US read the 3 previous messages to find 
out?

From: Dairy queen
To: Marie
Date: Fri Sep 20 16:33:11 2002

Message:
Her is the answer to your accusation. At first i'd like to say 
that i have the same reasons to be furious as you. But at least, 
unlike you i stay decent. You give yourself the right to say 
dippshit, perhaps because you feel like you bare the offended 
one. I disagree with you.

I didn't contradict myself because i was working in the 
Philippines in 1999 and 2000. After one year i came back home 
and became a member of a Philippine human rights organisation. 
Not writing on used toilet paper but still similar what the 
other person had in mind. I went back there since to observe the 
American intervention. The other person told me to go back to 
the mean streets of Manila. That's exactly what i'm doing. My 
plane is leaving comming november 28.

Just because you don't understand what i say it doesn't mean 
that it is bullshit.


The Marcos family stole from its country.'Imelda didn't have 200 
but 5000 pais of shoes and a lot of gold. That supports my 
previous statement that the country has always been robbed. 
While the Marcos family was robbing the Philippines the 
Americans had military bases on several places in the country. 
They didn't do shit. Without help from outside the Filipino's 
kicked out the Marcos family.

America took over the Philippines in 1898. After a short while 
the Filipino's realized that this was not a liberation from the 
earlier Spanish occupation. IN the war between the Filippino 
people and the Americans 1.4 milion Filipino people died. The 
poor poeple and the muslims in the south never had the change to 
intervene in the politics of the Philippines. Arooyo who is 
president now was a class mate of Clinton, she spent a lot of 
time in the US. Therefor she is on the side of America.

The south of the Philippines was never really part of the 
country. Mindanao, inhabited by muslims was never occupied by 
the Spanish, the Dutch, the Americans or the Japanese.

The Americans took over the north . They started a mass removing 
of Christians from the north to the south. The muslims who were 
free for many centuries were now forced to leave their homes. 
The Philippine christian government in the north orderen that 
the muslims were not allowed to own land.

Hence the muslim guerilla organisations. That war is going on to 
day. the muslims fight for the same rights as christians. the 
soldiers of the government rape and kill. They are supported by 
the American government and receive weapons.

The American occupation never made the Philippine sanyting 
wealthier. But they did get very valuable goods from the 
country. Not cocain like you said but silver for instance. A 
cheap price shipped straight to the US.

The Philippines is also very ahndy for your government because 
it is a strategical and easy stronghold for their bases. For the 
natural resources and the strategical place the Americans want 
to have a settlement in the south of the Philipippines.

All the Americans needed was an excuse to set up a new base in 
the south. That excuse came now. their target is a bunch of weak 
pirats called Abyu Sayyaf (no links to Al Qaida) proven and the 
well organised New people's armt and the MILF. They deffinetely 
have no links with Al Qaida. I know that as i worked their as a 
journalist. Everyone their knows.

Most people in the souts, especially the indigenous muslims 
don't want to have the American soldiers their and i agree with 
them. I know the true reason for the Americans to be there and 
most of the presidents of the Philippines have been a poor 
marionet who wanted to receive wealth as soon as possible. 

From: Daury queen
To: Marie
Date: Fri Sep 20 16:59:26 2002

Message:
So kissing the ground of where the American soldiers in the 
Philippines walk. Of course not. Scatching my head? Hell no.

I allready scatched my head for seven months thinking what an 
injustice it is that the Americans are there now. They promised 
to leave for six months but i observed that they set up a base 
for a much longer time. Again i was right. They decided to stay.

My country has the same immigration grade as your country. as a 
politician ones said, "water flows to the lowest point" People 
from poor people want to go to a wealthier place. They don't 
care about politics they want a better life. And as you see all 
wealthy countries attrcat people from other countries. New 
Zealand, Germany, Australia France. they like it there because 
of the wealth. i hear the same thing from the asylum seekers 
here. 

There is less freedom of speech in your country because the 
reactions on people who oppose are less heave. the one milion 
mars didn't have much to do with the war on terrorism. 

I notice it here. My friends are no waiting in the mountains in 
asia to get attacked by your country but do you here me saying 
dippshit, spoiled ass or anything?

You told me that i enjoy Burger King. because i isn't true i 
responded that that i'm a vegetarian. Now you use something as 
unimportant as that to express anger -vegetarian ass-. That is 
the way to hold a discussion in your style.

About your first thing. If you would have understaood my words 
the first time than you would have known that i said that the 
press in Iraq ISN'T honest?


From: The dairy queen
To: Marie
Date: Fri Sep 20 17:17:56 2002

Message:
We all owe the depth to developing areas because they are poor 
because of us. The import things. The free market is an old idea 
but it is easier to launch for a country with a good economis 
position. The victim of the free market are the poor. I am 
against communism but adoring todays system. No.

Like i said before my place was liberated due to the dying from 
milions of people from the east of Europe.

Besides if you save somone from drowning it doesn;t give you the 
right to drown someone else.

The Americans are in the Philippines purely out of own 
importance. I know that, Filipino's know that but you perhaps 
don't but you don't seem to know as much of the country as you 
think because your Marcos words supported my opinion and 
underdug your own

From: An Average American
To: No name conspiray theorist
Subject: The grand conspiracy above
Date: Sat Sep 21 04:49:26 2002

Message:
Nice series of conspiracy theories you've put together there. 
Too bad you have effectivly skewed all points to your politics 
and obviously Arab point of view.

Unfortunately for you, I am aware of these so called charges. I 
am also aware that when presented to the international body, 
these trumped up special interest charges where summarily 
dismissed.

With the exception of specific elements of the Korea incident, 
no one has been "arrested" as a result of the alleged findings 
of "guilty" by the members of the kangaroo court you mentioned 
above.

I do wonder, however who you are (was that you, Dairy King?), 
If you are not an American, what is your nationality? I'd like 
to know. It would not suprise me to find that you are from one 
of those small countries with a long history of murder, 
corruption; a small nation-state generally barbaric in nature.

What skeletons are in your closet? Great X-Files script, though.

God Bless America.
Long Live Democracy
So Long, Arab terror maniacs...

From: .44
To: anonymous poster(s)
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:39:46 2002

Message:
That's quite a diatribe.  Unfortunately for you, you screwed up 
when you referred to Ramsey Clark as though he were any kind of 
credible source.  Like you, he hates America, as do Jane Fonda 
and Ed Asner.  They, however, do not speak for the majority of 
us.  Most Americans have heard the mealy mouth kind of trash that 
pours out of their sewer-like lips, and we usually ignore people 
like them.  Sorry that you did not achieve your desired effect 
with your essays, which was of course to sway Americans who read 
your drivel to go against our government.  I bet you're so 
narcissistic that you think you invented "divide and conquer".  
Sorry, buckwheat, but better luck next time.                       
       

From: .44
To: All
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:39:46 2002

Message:
An anonymous poster has listed some long-winded, anti-American 
propaganda above.  No doubt the intent is to turn Americans 
against our government, in addition to swaying everyone on these 
boards toward hating America.  But propaganda is based on the old 
ploy of "divide and conquer".  As for me, I consider the source.  
That poster has failed to convince me, because after 11 Sept. 
2001 I realize that it is necessary to go to war at this point in 
time.  Apparently that poster's Pravda propaganda manual 
neglected to mention how to handle those who recognize propaganda 
when they see it, and to decide for themselves whether or not 
they wish to be controlled by such postings.                       
                    

From: CHICOZEN
To: The dairy queen & anonymous
Date: Sat Sep 21 14:12:29 2002

Message:
Can you people please write coherent messages!

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Sat Sep 21 14:25:25 2002

Message:
No because sometimes my computer blocks. Writing the messages in 
pieces is like saving them.

Anyway, i'm going on about the Marcos family. The president of 
the Philippines Marcos and his wife raped the country and stole 
milions from the people. At that time the Americans had military 
influence in the Philippines. They didn't care about people 
getting tortured. They just let it happen. 

They are taking action now. There was no interest for America in 
attacking the horrible Marcos regime. There is interest for 
America to wrongly accuse guerilla groups of Al Qaida links in 
order to return to the Philippines and set up a base again.
It is in great interest for America for the cheap priced natural 
recourses and strategical military power. That the muslims in 
the south are sucked out for years is their least interest.

Do you know where the Marcos family ran to when they were kicked 
out of the throne by the Filipino people? Oh yes, they fled to 
the US. Spending milions they had taken from the Philippines 
there.

So what is that crap you are talking about about the Marcos 
family? What you spread out in your anger supports my opinion 
and not your own.

There is another thing. You sound very paternalistic in your 
words. You tell me to do this or that. They only person you are 
in charge of is yourself and you have nothing to say about me.

If you wonder where i come from. It doesn't matter. I'm a world 
civilian. I love the places where i am happy and where the 
people have respect for others. My country has a good and a 
negative past. just like the US. It became extremely rich in the 
17th century by extorting other people, the colonial past, but i 
have nothing to do with that because everyone is born innocent 
and so am i. I enjoy wealth because of the extortion of other 
people but at least i realize that by trying to do my best.

Writing 'save the world messages' on boards(not on used toilet 
paper) is one of them. I demonstrated in the rally's against 
president Erab Estrada. And i will be going back there soon.

Your words don't make me think. They just strenghtened my 
thoughts i had before this discussion. About your kind of 
Americans and the things they don't know and the inmature way on 
which they hold discussions. You have no idea about the horrible 
things which happen there and yet you tell me to kiss the ground 
on which these soldiers of your country walk. And why are you 
saying that? because you have the blind believe that your 
country is doing well and is always the blessing from the sky. 
They are not. I explained you why.

-You don't want to ride on a camel in a far away country because 
you will prabobly meet terrorists who are on your way to the 
next terrorist attack. I would like to see you riding a camel in 
Algeria meeting a group of nomads who give you their last drops 
of water and show you the way to the nearest village. Or they 
let you stay in their house for free.- Because this scenario is  
much more likely to happen. 

From:
To: Chicosen
Date: Sat Sep 21 14:55:31 2002

Message:
You tell me to be with you or against you. No war is that simple 
because people of your country are victim and people of your 
coutry are attacker of innocents. 

I live in the place where the international court of justice is 
settled. All war criminals of the world where supposed to be 
triald there. All countries agreed except Iraq and the US. The 
US decided that when there is an American to be triald there 
that person can be rescued by military force. Of course 
civilians could get killed that way.

Many people are against it when war criminals are judged in 
their own country because the war criminal is most likely to get 
a way to leight punishment or no punishment at all in the 
country which paid him or her to commit the crimes in the first 
place. Remember that the US brought war criminals from several 
countries from Afghanistan to Cuba.

So your president is saying two things. 
-You are with are against us.
-If the UN places an American war criminal in the international 
tribunal we will get him or her with military force.

So first telling us to make the with or against America choice 
and than threatening us military. Let's see, how would an 
average American answer. I know. against you.

But i will not make the close decision because you know what 
will happen if i will say that i want to protect my city from an 
unfair invasion? That i'm a terrorist. And i'm not one.

If you don't care than that just shows your uninterest in 
others. Than why are you responding to me in the first place? 
What i wrote isn't bullshit. If you think so than go into 
discussion with me. What you said :"this is the biggest bullshit 
i ever heard" is actually atmitting that i'm right, and that's 
why you couldn't say anything more about it but you wanted to 
express your frustration, or not?

From: Dairy queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Sat Sep 21 15:10:53 2002

Message:
Sorry i forgot to mention my nickname. The above lines are from 
Dairy queen to Chicosen 

From: An Average American
To: .44
Date: Sun Sep 22 02:12:18 2002

Message:
You gotta admit - the "diatribe" was an entertaining read. A 
good conspiracy theory is always entertaining.

You know that Arab press outlets in the Middle East tout the 
theory of the Mossaud/Bush/Powell plan and exectution of 
September 11 as fact. Guess who their "sources" are...

David Duke and Roger Garaudy.

The Arabs in the Middle East are eating it up like Baklawa at a 
wedding.

From: .44
To: An Average American
Date: Sun Sep 22 08:29:16 2002

Message:
Conspiracy theories are usually entertaining, but that 
long-winded propaganda posted by anonymous still failed to divide 
we Americans.                                   

From: Marie
To: Dairy King/Queen?!?!?!
Subject: Im not sure who you are Talking to
Date: Sun Sep 22 12:37:24 2002

Message:
I am not sure if you are talking to me or Chicozen! I am not Chicozen or however you spell it! I dont know about your Computer Problem! And how do you keep switching your name from Dairy King to Dairy Queen? I have to go to work for a couple hours but I will be back BOY do I have alot to say! Will respond later! Marie

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Sun Sep 22 16:07:29 2002

Message:
I called myself Dairy King first. than someone changed it into 
Dairy Quenn. that's fine to me.

I wrote two messages lately. One was to you and one was to 
Chocosen. The one written to Chicosen is of course free for you 
to respond but it is written to someone else.

Next time try to be less bossy in your e mails. You are not in 
charge of me and i have the same reasons to be angry as you so 
keep your temper, i ment that friendly.

From: Marie
To: Dairy King
Subject: About your last 8 or 9 posts!
Date: Mon Sep 23 01:26:00 2002

Message:
OK where the hell should I begin? I am actually beginning not to give a RATS ASS what country your from! I am not playing the "Guess Where I'm At" Game with you little Dweeb! You dont seem to be reading anyones posts correctly, I never said YOU were Indian! And who gives a shit if you are? And I made a mistake Miss? Hmm I just copied and pasted what you said from the beginning so that you could try to understand what you said and why I responded like I did. And if I called you a DipShit then you were probably resembling that remark at the time! And you asked me what do I know about the Philipines and I told you! And now you are just rambling on and on and on...I never said a fucking thing about toilet paper! I dont even know what your talking about anymore. And I'm beginning to think your on dope! Thanks for giving me permission to reply to anyones posts, and BOSSY? You havent seen Bossy you arrogant ASS! I have never e-mailed you I dont even have your e-mail address. But back to that freedom of speech thing I am going to use it I think and not only tell you to GO TO HELL, But I will give you directions!!!!! Read the Fucking posts before you reply DICKHEAD! P'Shaw! Permission ,,!,       

From: Marie
To: Dairy King
Subject: I just read that
Date: Mon Sep 23 02:44:54 2002

Message:
My God you are such a hypocrite!!!! The President of the Philipines herself told President Bush that the group of Terrorist Bastards she wants out of her country have LINKS to Al Quida! And she asked for OUR help. So we do have an interest in going there! We dont just show up on anybody's doorstep unless they have asked us or attacked us! We dont just go to the next country and say "I'm Johnny and I'm here to kick your ass you MORON! And Marcos never asked us for help so we never went over and tried to solve his problem for him. We have been asked by the current President to help solve her problem because it has gotten so far out of control she is loosing or has lost her grip on those little chickenshits!!! And we are training HER troups on how to KILL those Fuckers! So they can deal with their own problem. We are going to help anyone who asks and other countries as well because everybody has had about enough of this shit! I agree it should have been done yeaaars ago but its happening now. We do not kill "innocents" as you put it unless they are in the way of a target we are going to hit and you better believe we are going to hit it, its called WAR asshole and shit happens! They brought it to us and by GOD we are going to finish it! And yes Bush did mean it when he said your either with us or your with the terrorists! And I see a whole lot more people with us than with them and I was wondering but I think I got my answer when you said "We are the Killer of the Innocents" That you are one of them! I sure hope your not standing to close to that chemical weapon factory in BAGDAD when she blows! Because you guys are dealing with one pissed off Texan!

From: Marie
To: The Unamed Uninformed Idiot
Subject: !
Date: Mon Sep 23 03:46:15 2002

Message:
You dont suppose the Invasion of Kuwait by  Iraq and The Kuwaiti people screaming for our help as they were being raped and murdered had anything to do with us going over there and bombing the dogshit out of Iraq do you? And when we "intentionaly" hit targets that had chemicals in them that that's EXACTLY what we were aiming for do you? And those chemicals in those targets are the ones he doesnt want the world to see that he has more of them now and wont let the UN inspectors back in to do a peek-a-boo do you? Or did you forget the  ENTIRE reason we were there to begin with did you? Your Bullshit is to long and to incedibly untrue I'm not even going to read the rest..You need a more reliable source of information..Not someone who doesnt even let his own people ( whom hes gased with his own chemicals before ) let them know the real reason why we are comming!!! So by the time we get there they will be scattering around like little bugs and instead of keeping themselves safe they will wind up dying by our Air Strikes and Saddam will blame us for that "AS "Usual" And we will drop leaflets while we are bombing and they are going to pick those up and read them and say HUH? I never heard any of this! Thats what kind of a Fucking Monster he is. He doesnt give a shit about his own people so naturally they will be killed when all hell breaks loose! But we will get the blame for that as usual because he would rather look like he's being picked on by the Americans. Oh Boo Hoo Cry me a Fucking River! When he brought it all on himself, oh with that little added touch of what 25,000 for each family thats sends their child off to commit murder! Give me a break Dude! Wake up!

From: the dairy queen
To: Marie
Date: Mon Sep 23 04:09:35 2002

Message:
Aha, you are Texan. So when i mentioned the Rio Grande i 
was pretty near in guessing. So you are closer to poverty 
than me.

Hypocrate? No, you are not uunderstanding my words. Like i 
said before. That president of the Philippines is an ally of 
the Americans. That's my problem with her, and i'm not the 
only one. She considers the national terrorists, those Abu 
Sayyaf suckers as her enemy (and they are mine to) and 
perhaps she told your government that they are Al Qaida 
linked. It is in her interest to do that so no wonder that she 
said it.
Now your government also added other groups to the list. 
Groups which are actually guerilla groups and who are not 
Al Qaida connected. People trying to protect themselves 
from extortion by the presidents which were often supported 
by YOUR government. But ofcourse the president said that 
they are linked to Al Qaida. That way her enemies get 
cleaned up for her.

I also have a journalistic scoop for you, which is already 
known for years by many Filipino's. Those Abu Sayyaf 
terrorists are supported by high members of the Philippine 
army. 

Of course the Filipino government says that the group is Al 
Qaida linked. The comming of the army from your country is 
of a benefit for everyone(except the people who live there, 
especially the muslims). The guerilla groups get attacked by 
the weapons of your army for free. The Americans can 
rebuild and expand strategic bases and perhaps natural 
recourses can be brought to your country for a cheap price. 
A kilo of gold. A hundred dollars for the government. A 
hundred for the Americans and 5 cents for the worker who 
dug it out with his or her bare hands.

And again. In stead of saying something usefull which could 
actually make me scratch my head you are ratteling on with 
a whole vocabulare of dirty words.
Again, you are pissed of. so am i. You are not the only 
country in the world which is attacked and threated. 

Me the killer of innocents? You are twisting my words. The 
wealthy countries are now because we gain our wealth due 
to the poverty of developing area's. I explained my point of 
view on that before. And in that way we are both killers 
because we both live in first world countries.

Perhaps you didn't understand the Marcos story. The 
Americans had military bases in the country while the 
Marcos regime was torturing and killing. Yhey let it happen 
because it wasn't in the interest of your country to intervene.

I'm glad that you care so much about me. That you don't 
want me to stand near a chemical factory in Baghdad when 
it gets blown up. But did i ever say that i symphathise with 
the government and the policy of Iraq? I didn't because i 
don't. Don't throw all the people you dislike on one big pile.
You also express your hate to the terrorists to me. 
I think you have much more chance to reach them if you 
write those words on a cheat op paper. put it in a pink 
envelope and write down on it: To Osama Bin Laden and 
friends Adress somwhere.  Interesting because i also have 
an adversion to the people responsible for the september 
11 attack.

"This is war asshole and shit happens" , You mean that shit 
does happen in war such as the killing of innocent people. 
But it is easy for you to say because in spite of the threat of 
attacks you are not on the number one hot spot to get killed.

Will i hear the same if a revenge hits Galveston or Fort 
Worth? Of course not and i can assure you that you won't 
hear it from me either.




From: Marie
To: Dairy King
Subject: !@#$#@!
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:51:50 2002

Message:
Not Me you JACKASS!!!!! George Dubya!!!!

From: Marie
To: Dairy King
Subject: I wish you would read yor own posts
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:57:13 2002

Message:
Yes I will admit you piss me off!!! But its because ( maybe it has something to do with the fact that you have lost a few marbles) you dont read your own posts first before you respond! Or maybe you do and just twist your own words when you reply! But dont go pattin yourself on the back just yet you dont piss me off to the point that I would like to reach through the TV and choke the living shit ot of you! But I do get the feeling I make you feel that way about me! But I dont care... If you think I rattle on with a bunch of dirty words its because you keep changing what you said previosly every time I talk to you! And like I said before we are not used to getting attacked, that is why I am pissed because we were! By faceless cowards. I betcha it will be the last time though. Because there are so many more Americans LIKE ME who would LOVE to get their hands on them and slowly torture them till they scream in pain until their death! I have to go to work again so I dont have time enough to answer the rest of your rambling! I will later though...And the Pissed off Texan I was refering to is George Dubya! See if you would read what I say you would know who or what I am talking about! If you are a Terrorist then Stuff this ,!,, in your ASS! And if your not I will respond later. Oh and if you are a journalist why is it that you cant even remember what you said about 10 messages ago? Anyway Till later Ta Ta!!!        

From: CHICOZEN
To:
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:23:33 2002

Message:
oh boy...you blah on and on and still can't make an appropriate 
response to a comment from a person who understands the 
limitaions of our US reality.  What can I say to you when a 
president decides to use the military for whatever reason he 
decides.  Yeah, i voted in the last election (agaisnt bush) now 
what?  Do you think that the average American has a voice when 
we are this far in the stage?????? So what choice do I 
have....I have to support these decision witholding my 
disaggrements for when  I can.  That is the REALITY... After 
9/11 the room for converstation and discourse has shrunk just a 
bit.  Do I like it, do i wish for my world to be fill with 
tension and fear, do I not want peace and resolution?  Of 
course I do...I'm not ignorant to the policies that this 
country has that go agaisnt peace and resolution...but at this 
moment...there are over 2000 dead...countless of body part 
spread out in my city...still looking to be identify...blocks 
away from where i am writing this from...SO I AM with the US, 
period.  When we have Bin Laden body toasted somewhere and all 
those Muslim militants that want to damage us...then we can 
talk about U.S. war criminals ...right now we want those who 
pieces of shit cowards. If that is not your reality, if that 
is  not what you want and draw the goddamn line now.

From: om/cf
To: Wouter (Dairy King/Queen)
Date: Mon Sep 23 19:43:02 2002

Message:
I believe I first adressed you as Dairy Queen, simply because I 
thought you had mixed up the Burger King and Dairy Queen 
franchises. And if you believe that, have I got a deal for you 
on some ocean-front property along the Rio Grande! And the 
writing on used toilet paper thing, on the mean streets of 
Manila!

First off, these Abu Sayyaf fellows are not very nice people, 
connected to binny's bunch or not. They kidnap innocent people, 
hold them for ransom money and often lop off their heads anyway. 
So for the U.S. to help out in this matter is beyond reproach. 
We are not killing them, simply providing the weapons and 
expertise to the Philipino's to eradicate these cockroaches.

Secondly, the U.S. has provided billions of dollars in aid and 
support to the Philipenes over the years. And thats not to 
mention positive impact U.S. companies have had on the Philipino 
economy by providing paying jobs. This is so often overlooked by 
you anti-U.S.A. types. American industry provides jobs to those 
who otherwise would have none, all around this big blue globe. 
Low paying sweat shops? Some are for sure, but families are 
eating and clothed thanks to those jobs! Ya'll go ahead and 
blindly hate America and wish for its death! Just be carefull 
what you wish for. 

From: dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:13:36 2002

Message:
You know. I'm starting to think that you only say that my 
messages are speaking against each other because you don't know 
what to say anymore and that you use it as an excuse so that you 
still have something to say.

I'm not writing contradictive things. I am giving you a very 
clear point. 

You want to kick the living shit out of me. I would like to show 
you the Philippines and what is happening there.  

The US gained more wealth from the Philippines than they 
received.

Be more clear on which points i change my words and i'll explain.

Sorry for mistaking. But anyway. you did the same when you 
said. "Obviously i know your country much better that you do 
yourself" While you ment the Philippines. I feel at home there 
but it is not MY country.


From: Dairy queen
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:50:44 2002

Message:
Did you ever hear my say that i symphatyse with the Aby Sayyaf? 
I didn't. They are criminals who say that they are guerilla 
fighters just to cover that they do it for the monney. Kidnap 
for ransom. They don't get any support from the Muslim 
population. They do get supported by leaders from the 
Philippines army. They prabobly get a share of the monney. There 
were several incidents which showed this remarkable relation. 
That army is now supported by your army.

The MILF and the New people's Army don't have any relation with 
the Abu Sayyaf. As a matter of fact for a short time local 
people feared that the war would expend by clashes between the 
Abu Sayyaf and the MILF who is fighting for their rights, not 
for money. They are to my opinion defending themselves from an 
occupation of people from the north. These people got the 
initiative to migrate to the south by the way from the US.

"The US invested in the Philippines." They, your nation, earned 
more from the country than they gave to it. A large amount of 
natural recources went from the Philippines to the US. The 
Filipino's hardly got anything in return.

Not only American companies are active in the Philippines. One 
of the biggest foreign companies there are by the way Dutch and 
i'm not proud of them. The polution caused by them and indeed 
the groos underpayment of it's workers.

Your country simply got the chanse to be a trading power. Just 
like Japan and Holland. The size of your country is the 
explanation that the US is the biggest. That brings positive and 
negative points. My subject is about war and human rights, not 
about companies. I feel that you are trying to change the 
subject. If you want to talk about the positive and the negative 
parts of the american economical domminance than we can do that 
another time. I don't think the victims of the American 
intervention see there underpaid job in a Coca Cola factory as 
an excuse or a repaymend for their killed son.

After all. You don't see cheap oil from Uraq not as an excuse 
for the threat comming from the country. And i agree with you on 
that part.

Of course i'm talking about anti American things. We are having 
a discussion.  

From:
To:
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:40:14 2002

Message:
haha MILF...thats pretty funny. Anyone who has seen American pie 
knows what I'm talking about.

From: om/cf
To: Dairy Queen
Date: Tue Sep 24 22:30:08 2002

Message:
Anti-American or not, I appreciate your opinions. Having never 
participated on a message board in my life, I found this zoo 
after 911. At that time people from around the world were 
posting their thoughts. I found that (and still do) a way to 
measure the thoughts of the world towards America and best of 
all, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. There is no 
corporate news spin added to posts on these boards, it is not 
monitored or moderated in any apparent way. A great example of 
complete freedom of speech.

I applaud your efforts at traveling to the Philippines and 
helping people there. That certainly cannot be ridiculed. I do 
believe America has helped there and around the world as well. 
Its not just the American goverment that offers humanitarian 
relief around the world, but thousands of private and church 
organizations do as well. And I know for fact the U.S. military 
does NOT target civilians in any action and in fact DOES put its 
own troops in some amount of jeopardy by acting very carefully. 
Hopefully we can sort these terrorist punks out in a matter of 
years. Decent people the world over want peace, but peace at the 
cost of appeasing terrorists is not an option because if we give 
them a meter, they will want a kilometer. No deals.

The diversity of America is amazing. I have a freind from 
Bosnia, who lived in Belgium for five years, speaks like five 
languages and is almost as good on a stand-up jet ski as myself 
because he learned to ride them in the canals in Belgium! Never 
under-estimate Americans, we are very adaptable! I'd like to 
tell you about the Laotions I know but Im going to bed, twas' a 
rough day at work.

From: dairy queen
To: Nameless(second from down up)
Date: Wed Sep 25 04:23:22 2002

Message:
MILF stands for Moro Islamic Liberation Front

From: Dairy Queen
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Sep 25 07:19:24 2002

Message:
Finally we agree on something. I'm glad with that. It is also 
interesting to receive any lines without dirty words referring 
to my name.

People are an adaptable species. Countries which are a 
multi cultural society like the US can harbour many different 
people with different strong points. 

Everywhere you go in the world you can find at least four 
nationalities. An Australian, an American, a German and a 
Chinese. These countries have many inhabitants and 
diversed people. (Mine to but it has 16 milion inhabitants 
and therefor the spread of Dutch people over the globe is 
also smaller)

Not everone in Holland thinks like me. I always said that i 
speak for myself alone. The happenings in that country in 
Asia are very vague. Therefor a foreign intervention can 
damage a lot. The MILf is a very well organised group. If 
America desides to attack them it will also cost the life of 
Americans. Of course it can resolve in a cry out in the US 
that revenge most be taken. This could grow the already 
unstable situation.
But this time it could also kill Americans (and Dutch).

Until further contact, 

From: Marie
To: CHICOZEN
Subject: I dont know if you were responding to me or not
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:07:25 2002

Message:
But if you were, There is NOTHING you can say to me to make me turn my back on my Country or our Soldiers. And you dont have to support Jack Shit if you dont want to. That's the beauty of the American way! And here's your line!
-------------------------------------------
Now What?

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:18:51 2002

Message:
Very well put :-) 

From: Marie
To: Dairy Queen
Subject: !
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:32:58 2002

Message:
No I havent run out of things to say I just dont have the luxury of sitting on here 24/7 I WORK! And you are still rambling on about the same thing! And here is your example: You say I want to kick the shit out of you, and if you scroll up you will see I said you havent HAVENT made me mad enough to want to reach through the TV and choke the shit out of you! And you say your giving me a clear point...I havent seen a point yet, except that you started out by saying "You hold our Country responsible for millions of deaths"! Deaths of who I have no clue! And since then you have added on quite a list! Is there anything we have done that doesnt make you mad? Like um giving Humanitarian aid where its been needed, trying to save the Rainforests, helping Rebuild Countries, having a Sunday BBQ, Lighting Firework's off on the 4th of July, trying to create peace, just little stuff like that! If you do have a point I sure wish you would get to it!   

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Thu Sep 26 07:51:37 2002

Message:
I already gave you the deaths. 1.4 milion Filipinos. To that i 
ad the Vietnamese and the Camboadians who died in the 
1960's and 70's.

Investing in the rain forrest? Don't make me laugh. Your 
government abandonned the Kyoto threaty. It was a real 
party popper in the enverionment conference in 2001 and it 
is often American companies who screw the rain forrests in 
the search for natural resources.

Still you are not answerring me on which point i was 
speaking against myself. I'm still waiting and would be 
happy to explain.

The kicking the shit out of me thing might be misunderstood 
but that is not an axample if speaking against myself. It was 
not having it red well enough but you seem to do the same 
thing. remember when you though that i would accuse your 
nation of an earthquake in India? When you thought that i 
am Filipino? 

Until later, Dairy queen

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:02:08 2002

Message:
You say a lot of proud things about your country and i know 
things about America.

What do you know about mine. that we are adaptable to and 
that the average Dutch speaks three languages.

From: CHICOZEN
To: Dairy Queen
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:45:25 2002

Message:
AND SUCK COCK AT THE SAME TIME.

From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:48:02 2002

Message:
"There is NOTHING you can say to me to make me turn my back on 
my Country or our Soldiers"...if I live in this country why 
would take such a position???? Yet, its important not to fall 
in a trap of thinking that our country does "no wrong"...cause 
they do and they have.  That is not turning my back on my 
country...but we do have to make sure that they don't turn 
their back on us.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:25:54 2002

Message:
Yes that is true. we are very well known for sucking cocks, 
speak five languages, run a marathon and juggle, all at the 
same time.

We are so adaptable. 

From: Chicozen
To: dairy queen
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:39:51 2002

Message:
SUPERB!!!

From: humorist
To: the bored
Subject: you people need to laugh a LITTLE
Date: Thu Sep 26 13:06:24 2002

Message:
A son asks his father, "What can you tell me about politics? I 
have to learn about it for school tomorrow." The father thought 
some and said, "OK, son, the best way I can describe politics is 
to use an analogy. Let's say that I'm a capitalist because I'm 
the breadwinner. Your mother will be the government because she 
controls everything, our maid will be the working class because 
she works for us, you will be the people because you answer to 
us, and your baby brother will be the future. Does that help 
any?" The little boy said, "Well, Dad, I don't know, but I'll 
think about what you said." 
Later that night, after everyone had gone to bed, the little boy 
was awaken by his baby brother's crying. Upon further 
investigation, he found a dirty diaper. So, he went down the 
hall to his parent's bedroom and found his father's side of the 
bed empty and his mother wouldn't wake up. Then he saw a light 
on in the guest room down the hall, and when he reached the 
door, he saw through the crack that his father was in bed with 
the maid. The son then turned and went back to bed. 

The next morning, he said to his father at the breakfast 
table, "Dad, I think I understand politics much better 
now." "Excellent, my boy," he answered, "What have you learned?" 
The little boy thought for a minute and said, "I learned that 
capitalism is screwing the working class, government is sound 
asleep ignoring the people, and the future's full of crap." 

From: me
To: -u-
Subject: estupidos
Date: Thu Sep 26 19:13:57 2002

Message:
miren yo se que tienen coraje pero no todos tienen laculpa 
tengan cuidado con le que disen y solo hay un DIOS que sabe hoye 
y vee todo hasi que salgan con sus porquerias 

GOD BLESS -U-

From: -u-
To: me
Date: Thu Sep 26 21:52:27 2002

Message:
What?  No cognates?  What a letdown!                           
          

From: Ronald Mc Donald
To: shitball
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:10:45 2002

Message:
stop being a clown and go have a happy meal, then go fuck a big 
mac!

From: Marie
To: Dairy Queen
Subject: PAlease!!!!!
Date: Fri Sep 27 19:37:40 2002

Message:
Ok you say 1.4 Million Filipinos died at OUR hands?!?!?!? When? Where? and Why on earth would we kill 1.4 million Filipinos? I must have missed something!! And if that were the case why the hell would the President of the Philipines in September 2001 be at the White House asking for OUR help? Viet Namiese and Cambodians? You mean we were asked by the VN GOVERNMENT (When there was one) For OUR help (ALSO)/(Once again) to fight THEIR Battle against the Viet Kong in which (unless they snuck them in somewhere) I dont recall ANY Philipinos being there but yes, I do recall the Viet Kong (Not Viet Namiese) and Cambodians, and of course they were killed you ASS!! Even if they never considered it a War and called it a "Conflict" it was a WAR! So of course they the VK and the Cambodians were killed!! Dont forget we bought the Philipines in 1898 from Spain and drug them into them into the 19th Century, we battled with Spain constantly to set the Philipino people FREE! And Cuba, Guam and Puerto Rico (excluding the continuous battles with all kinds of other countries) The Philipine battle of independance (because of Guerilla Warfare) claimed the lives of 4000 Americans, and 16,000 Philipinos, most of whom died from Famin! Due to Guerilla Warfare whom WE were fighting! NOT THE PHILIPINO people! The Liberaration of the Philipine people in 1945 from Japan, the Americans once again lost 60,000 people, Japan lost 300,000 and Philipine people lost over 1,000,000 from the Japanese NOT the US!!!! In other words Japan fucked the Philipine people up and once again WE the US of A saved them so if you want to blame anyone for the deaths of over a million Philipine people you blame it on the Japanese! Because like we always do we set them FREE!! So I'm about done arguing with you about the Philipino people!!! And you have never said what country you are from! So I have made no statement about or against your country, UNLESS OF COURSE YOUR FROM ONE OF THOSE TERRORIST HARBORING MOTHER FUCKERS!!!! And we have dumped more money into saving Wildlife and the Rainforest's than anyone on the face of this planet!!!!! If you scroll up and read both yours and my statements/comments you will see where you were "Speaking Against" (Contradicting) yourself! I do however have to give you credit for one thing, at least you arent the total ass that you started out to be, you seem to have calmed down to only being a half ass! SOMETIMES!!!!! Till we argue again lol, Marie

From: Marie
To: Dairy Queen
Subject: Dude!
Date: Fri Sep 27 23:14:39 2002

Message:
Yes I say proud things about my Country! That's because I'm PROUD to be an AMERICAN! And that's just the way it is. I am sick to death of us getting blamed for everything that goes wrong in this world. And I will fight/argue till my Death to Defend Her!!! I am and I will always be PISSED as hell for us being attacked! And I would LOVE to get my hands on just 1 of those sons of bitches that did it. And I still dont know what Country you are from! Now you say Dutch! I am not really sure where you are from! You never give a clear answer to anything!! 

From: Marie
To: CHICOZEN
Subject: !
Date: Sat Sep 28 00:12:27 2002

Message:
Very true! I know our Government pulls some pretty shady tricks, but you have to admit they pull alot less than most other goverments. I wasnt aware you were responding to That Dairy Dude! And our Government is Dead Serious about this shit! The likes of what we havent seen in a bit. I just truly think Bush was devistated by these attacks (Just like the rest of us)  and it hit him hard, and he's dead serious about keeping us safe and he is really totally pissed, (Along with the rest of us) and wants Death or Justice! And I didnt vote for Bush either but I am sure now I made a mistake! Cause God help us if this happened on anyone elses watch!      

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Sat Sep 28 15:55:19 2002

Message:
Now you made an even bigger mistake. You say that you are done 
arguing about the Philippines but you try to end the subject 
with something which made the least sense of all. 
THOSE 1.4 MILION PEOPLE DIDN'T DIE IN WORLD WAR TWO STUPID #%$#%
$#$#$#%$#, THEY DIED IN THE INDEPENDANCE WAR IN THE EARLY 
TWENTIETH CENTURY AGAINST THE AMERICANS. UNTIL 1916 TO BE BE 
PRECISE.

Every country is devided. Therefor Arroyo doesn't give a damn 
about the past. Just like some Americans don't care about their 
own. You can't expect every person in a country to handle 
according to the history of hir or her country. Look at the US. 
Ones theys supported Iraq, than they fought it.
I explained you the problems there for several times. You don't 
seem to understand.


To quote a letter from an American to his family "I'm shooting 
Filipino's like rabbits"

The intervention in Vietnam started out of fear for communism. 
If you are now saying that the US has no responsibility for the 
happenings in these south east Asian countries you are living in 
your own fantasy world.

The same about the environment. I'll explain you this for the 
last time. Your country is big and wealthy. That goes at the 
expenses of the environment in the world so it is nothing more 
than their duty that they also spend the most on solving the 
problem. 

Your country is screwing the environment more than it is helping 
it, that in a bigger number than most other countries. And 
abandonning the Kyoto threaty was the worst act of all.

You know. Now you are really getting childish. Not only do you 
answer my lines without reading them well. And i do the same but 
what is write is easier to read because i always used decent 
language against you. You also try to imply that you have 
convinced me of anything, and that i would start to admit 
anything to you. I don't need to answer you except that i must 
congratulate you with the fact that for the first time in our 
contact you mannaged to annoy me.

But that is the risk of being a decent discussionar. I'm only 
the half ass now simply because i want to explain my view in the 
way we are used to in my country. By talking and not by shouting 
like you.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie and actually everyone
Subject: Dutch menas that you are from Nederland
Date: Sat Sep 28 16:15:33 2002

Message:
By the way. If you agree with me that every person is of the 
same value than explain me this. In the revenge taken for the 
september eleven attacks one or more innocent people will die. 

They will be just as pissed as you are about 11-9 for the same 
reason. Attacked even though you are innocent. You say that that 
is the toll that must be paid right? But that is the same excuse 
our common ennemies of Al Qaida used.

So do these people have the same right as you to take the same 
revenge as you? If they are equal to you than they would right? 
Correct me where i'm wrong. 

And how do you take revenge at an enemy like America, much more 
powerfull than you. Yes, you attack civilian targets.

From: om/cf
To: DQ
Date: Sat Sep 28 17:08:04 2002

Message:
I wouldn't consider bringing down the Taliban and rooting the al 
Qaida out of Afghanistan acting out of revenge. Quite a period 
of time was taken after s11 and a tremendous amount of planning 
went into liberating Afghanistan. Thats not to say revenge 
didn't play a role, but it was squarely directed at the al Qaida 
(terrorists) and the Taliban (those that support or harbor 
terrorists).

Of course civilian deaths in war is inevitable and every measure 
should be taken to avoid this. Thats the best that can be done. 
The Afghan families that legitimitly lost family members to 
mistakes or collateral damage are being well reimbursed 
monitarily. I KNOW!! Money can't bring someone back from death 
but at the moment its the best that can be done! 

From: Marie
To: Dairy King/Queen Whatever
Subject: Oh Brother!!!!
Date: Mon Sep 30 00:08:14 2002

Message:
I never said they were killed in WW2 you FOOL! I looked up History on the Internet to see what exactly happened to the Philipino people. I didnt go by a "Letter from a Soldier" to his Family. And how you got your hands on a letter from a Soldier to his Family I would like to know! And if you are a journalist I would like to know to whom you are reporting. So I can make sure I dont read the Drivel you are spewing/reporting, I feel for the poor people who are actually reading your NONSENSE!! And not every Country is divided! I have never seen these people in "The GRAND USA" pull together like they have in the last year, all colors, races, religions, its beautiful. Sure there are some with differing opinions but that's the Beauty of Freedom of speech! They are entitled to theirs, and we are entitled to ours! Without being thrown in jail or stoned to death for them. And we cannot Dwell on the past! Why bother? We cannot change what our Ancestors did. But we sure as hell can change the future! And as for IRAQ once we supported them sure (They asked for OUR help to fight Iran) Then they thought they were "Johnny tuff shit" and Invaded Kuwait! Then Kuwait screams for OUR help and we helped FREE them from Ol Saddam's chickenshit grip and that's how we became enemys. I have explained this to you before time and time again. Wonder why if we are such a BAD Country these other countries ask for OUR help???? We were also once enemies with Japan, Russia, etc...And now we Trade with them! Hmmm Geee wonder why that is if we are such a rotten Country!! Our willingness to forgive is Overwhelming! Maybe its called "MAKING PEACE"!! If YOU believe that our goal/interest in Asian countries, and the Middle East, and where ever else on this Globe they ask for OUR help is just for personel reasons YOU ARE LIVING IN YOUR OWN FANTASY WORLD!!!! As well as TOTALLY Misguided. We should not have to bare the brunt of taking responsibility for EVERY damn thing that happens all over the World! We dont start the shit, but if we are drug into it you better believe BY GOD we are going to finish it! You say MY Country is big and wealthy, could it be that we havent been out there CAUSING the Worlds problems but maybe we have put more Effort into building a Strong PEACEFUL Country, A Strong Economy, Creating Jobs, Trading with other Countries which also Creates Jobs for them and us, Building our Technology, Building and Strengthening our "FINE ARMED FORCES", finding or trying to find Cures for Diseases, (Which I might add alot of which were brought to THIS Country from OTHER Countries)(Probably yours too) and so on an so on...Gee if we are the Tirents you make us out to be, where on earth did we find the time to become One, Probably THEE Most Powerful Country on the planet, if we have been out there CAUSING SHIT WITH EVERYONE! And where do you get off blaming us for ALL the problems with the environment? You act like we are the ONLY country out there! And especially the only ones who cause environmental problems! What has your country done to the environment? What has your Country done to help clean it up? What does your Country do about anything? Except have journalist wannabees that do NOTHING but bash AMERICANS? Our DUTY???? You say! What else is it OUR Duty to clean up in YOUR eyes? What else is it OUR Duty to fix, create, or whom to help next? And Childish! My Dear misguided, mislead, and terribly uninformed, freind from some Country out there somewhere you are the one being childish, when you start bashing AMERICANS your not only being childish, your also being just another IGNORANT JACKASS that tries to blame AMERICA for EVERYTHING that goes on EVERYWHERE! And I have tried to understand what you are typing, but you arent reading my posts or yours before you ramble on and contradict yourself repeatedly! And if you dont like my language its MY right to use it, and when you act like you do sometimes I just call it as I see it! And that was a perfect example when you said "Against Me"! I have not implied that I have convinced you of anything how can you convince someone who is so hell bent on blaming the USA for EVERYTHING Anything? And hell no you dont have to answer or admit to me anything if you dont want, that's the Beauty of the AMERICAN Way! Oh and nevermind I thought you had dropped down to a Half Ass! But you graduated back up to a whole Ass! Again.
  

From: Marie
To: Dairy Fool!
Subject: NOW I'M SHOUTING
Date: Mon Sep 30 00:26:11 2002

Message:
HOW DARE YOU SAY "HOW DO YOU TAKE REVENGE ON AN ENEMY LIKE AMERICA MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU, YES YOU ATTACK CIVLIAN TARGETS?!?!?"
FUCK YOU!!!!!  

From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Mon Sep 30 14:42:48 2002

Message:
Please learn to use the message board, use the enter key, so 
that we may read your info w/out scrolling sideways for hours 
on end.

From: Everyone
To: Chicozen
Subject: BUSH WACK??
Date: Mon Sep 30 15:07:03 2002

Message:
WHAt do you all think? There is a theory out there that states 
that President Bush and his crew knew of a terrorist attack was 
about to take place, AND ALLOWED IT, by making sure that 
goverment agencies "turn their back", just so he may have 
the "get go" to attack Iraq.  The only problem was they they 
never imagined the magnitude of what actually took place, they 
were thinking of WTC of 1993.  Oh yeah, does anybody think that 
are sole purpose on taking Saddam is just to liberate the Iraqi 
people?? Hell no...its a plan that was hatch up way before     
9-11...all sorts of creepy shady countries have capacity for 
weapons of mass destruction...Russia, China, Pakistan... there 
are  other countries that support and harbor terrorist...Iran, 
Libya, Cuba...and so on and so on... why Iraq???

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Mon Sep 30 16:57:13 2002

Message:
Let's see, where shaal i start.

You did say that the milion Filipino's i mentioned died in WO@. 
Indeed 1 milion Filipino's died than. Just like 1 milion 
Filipino's died in the war for liberation. 

You couldn't find the phrase from the letter. Just because you 
scrolled on the internet and couldn't find it doesn't mean that 
it isnt there.

You also don't seem to read so well. I never said that i blame 
your country for all the problems in the world. I also never 
said that i put the responsibility for the current situation of 
the environment on the US. Saying that makes it easier for you 
in your attempts to pin me down but i know what i said and what 
i didn't.

Every country is guilty of that.

Also my country is investing in the environment just as it is 
poluting it. Just like yours. It is also guilty of and investing 
in the world poverty. Just like yours. But it is all on a much 
smaller scale. Simply because your country is hundereds of times 
bigger and has more inhabitants than mine. 

You have the right to write like that. We both live in a free 
country. That also gives me the right to comment you on that.

I never gave my opinion on the war in and against Iraq. Another 
attempt of you to attack me perhaps. But i know what i said and 
what i didn't say.

As an answer to your last question. Of course i dare to say 
that. Just like you dare to use your language in what tries to 
be an adult conversation. That brings me to the next point. You 
are blaming me for doing nothing else but bashing the Us. You 
are qutte wrong. I also spent time bashing the Estrada 
government and all those other little suck ups in the high 
politics of this country who's main target it is to get rich as 
soon as possible.

And what was so wrong with the thing you answered with how dare 
you and fuck you? If these people, we both hate, had the power 
they would have attacked your nation's army. Because your nation 
is way to powerfull they did this. 
They attacked civilian targets didn't they? Interesting, i 
thought we both had the same opinion about something for the 
first time.

You are saying that digging up the past isn't good. We learn 
from the past because it often repeats. 

I'm not looking for every thing i know to bash your country. I 
can also mention how much i like Morgan Freeman, Lifehouse, 
Stephen King and the Killing fields as well as the medical 
improvements done by docters from your country but we are having 
a discussion. If we would have had a different start it would 
have been the subject like it was two days ago when i met this 
friendly guy from Missouri.

By the way that letter i mentioned earlier has never been in my 
hands. It was published. Another misunderstanding.

I'm not ignorant or whatever you call me. I don't have the 
feeling so but it is very easy for you to call me that.I have my 
information from several sources. I write for the magazine 
especially about the Philippines and when i'm there i can be a 
reporter for Dutch newspapers in case something happens.

Furthermore i work for NGO's which will soon mean translating 
the information from the NGO's in Dutch because these NGO's are 
often supported by Dutch organisations.

From: Chicosen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Mon Sep 30 19:33:44 2002

Message:
I  think you are an idiot! WHY? Not beacuse your info is wrong, 
or becaus of what you are saying...if it only was in lain 
English. You get lost on your own long ass disertation...making 
no point at the end. You are using the wrong venue for your 
essays.

From: Chris
To:
Subject: Fight The Islamic Infestation
Date: Mon Sep 30 21:10:25 2002

Message:
I pray to God for the destruction of the Muslim people and 
everything Islamic. God has been answering my prayers! Through 
God's light we will have the strength to fight the Muslim 
occupation of God's earth. Death to the evil that lives within 
the Islamic Infestation. Your God "Allah" is not the same God 
praised by the true Godly people of the earth. Your God Allah 
is Satan, Lucifer, "The Devil". http://www.stopislam.com 

From: om/cf
To: Chris & DQ
Date: Mon Sep 30 23:04:04 2002

Message:
Not being a religious sort, I was still somewhat amazed by your 
praying for the death of many innocent, albiet, brainwashed 
people. I believe evil to be everywhere on earth and most 
definatly in the U.S. among the general population. I do agree 
that Islam is a terrorist tool and no other religion is as 
connected to evil acts at the present. Furthermore, a half-
hearted effort at best to reject and demonize those comitting 
terrorist acts in the name of Islam breeds suspicion of anyone 
involved in Islam. In short, let 'em bitch and moan about the 
treatment they get, its their own fuckin' fault!! But lets 
remember, Christianity as a organized religion is far from 
perfect as well.

DQ: I will post soon to you, currently Im nodding off to sleep 
on the keyboard....


From: Disco or Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Tue Oct 1 04:25:34 2002

Message:
In my country we don't speak english. Therfor i make even 
more typing mistkes than in Dutch. Also because i don't 
care how i write it as long as people understand.

You don't seem to understand what i write. You also say that 
what i'm saying is bullshit. I disagree. i feel that i have made 
several good points.

Can you be more precise and tell me what exactly is 
bullshit? Or do you just say it even though you know yourself 
that you have no grounds to base it on.

My point is very clear. Since 1905 the US has been 
interested iin the Philippines for their own interests and at 
the expense of the country. Especially the Islamic people in 
the south are victimised.

Marie is fighting that statement in several ways and i explain 
every point she makes from my point of view.

Of course you are convinced that i am wrong. Perhaps you 
are so blindly in love with your country that you don't want to 
hear any negative things. That is allright for me. But if you 
don't have any clear point to make than don't bother me with 
that.

From: DQ
To: Chicozen
Date: Tue Oct 1 06:28:30 2002

Message:
You prove my point over and over.  You say too much, with 
little sense...the point is to say as little as possible with 
great conviction.  OK, OK, OK ...

"Since 1905 the US has been 
interested iin the Philippines for their own interests and at 
the expense of the country. Especially the Islamic people in 
the south are victimised."

SO WHAT????  People born in this country have been victims in 
this country (African Americans).  People suffer at the hands 
of many goverments and many foreign interference since the 
stone ages.  NOTHING will ever be the same as  9-11, NOTHING... 
We are not here to judge whose pain was worse...the phileppinos 
or the Americans.  PAIN is PAIN, and that is exactly what those 
who support terrorist agaisnt the USA will feel...we have that 
power and we will use it.  And that is HISTORY for you to know.

From: Chicozen
To: Chris
Date: Tue Oct 1 06:38:08 2002

Message:
DQ is a smart moron (good intentions) but he talks forever, but 
you...ARE IN CLASS OF YOUR OWN. STUPIDITY is to generous for 
you... BRAIN DEAD or maybe a SEVERE COMA can perhaps explain 
your state of being.  GOD help us from people so retarded like 
you. 

From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Subject: Talk about dead brain
Date: Tue Oct 1 06:42:51 2002

Message:
Sorry I posted it backwards.

"You prove my point over and over.  You say too much, with 
little sense...the point is to say as little as possible with 
great conviction.  OK, OK, OK ...

"Since 1905 the US has been 
interested iin the Philippines for their own interests and at 
the expense of the country. Especially the Islamic people in 
the south are victimised."

SO WHAT????  People born in this country have been victims in 
this country (African Americans).  People suffer at the hands 
of many goverments and many foreign interference since the 
stone ages.  NOTHING will ever be the same as  9-11, NOTHING... 
We are not here to judge whose pain was worse...the phileppinos 
or the Americans.  PAIN is PAIN, and that is exactly what those 
who support terrorist agaisnt the USA will feel...we have that 
power and we will use it.  And that is HISTORY for you to know."

From: Disco Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Tue Oct 1 07:23:08 2002

Message:
Or that is your side of the history. September eleven 2001 
was just one nasty day out of many. As you might have 
noticed i allready know that your country is using that power 
and that is why we are having a discussion. 

Also because some, i repeat some and not all, the use of 
American power is negatively towards innocent people in 
many places. Including for Americans themselves because 
the hatred which is caused by the using of American power 
could be outed on Americans.

'SO WHAT' is not very nice to say. How would you feel if a 
Filipino would say SO WHAT about the things which 
happened in the US.

Nothing will ever be the same since people used violence 
against each other. We finally agree that all pain is the 
same, no matter who has it.

What does that change about the Philipppine point i am 
rambling about? 

From: Frank
To: binlarden
Subject: ?
Date: Tue Oct 1 11:42:17 2002

Message:
I really hate you, you MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!! Iam going to come 
and get you, you asshole

From: Kenny Walker
To: EVERY 1
Subject: I HATE ARABS
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:07:44 2002

Message:
BIN LADEN IS GAY

From:
To:
Date: Wed Oct 2 08:29:24 2002

Message:
Perhaps he is but couldn't that be taken as an insult tu gay 
people. In my country 'homo' is often used as an insult.

From: Marie
To: Chicozen
Subject: Clinton Wack!!!
Date: Wed Oct 2 11:42:41 2002

Message:
Did you also know that Former President Clinton was HANDED Bin Laden from another country after the USS Cole bombing, and didnt take him? He may have been to busy with other things (Ahem) but he claims that was the biggest mistake of his Presidency. I can think of a few more, but we wont go there. I have heard that conspiracy theory about Bush and It just doesnt wash with me. I find it hard to believe that ANY President would let that mess happen and just let it! And NO I do not believe the sole purpose of this whole thing is to attack Iraq! And liberating Iraq is not the first thing on our agenda. He obviously has weapons of MASS Destruction that he wants to hide or he would have let the weapons inspectors in to see for sure over the past 4 or 5 years. And if we dont do something about it unlike Clinton and just sit back an take it, there wont be much of an AMERICA left to defend! And everything shows up straight on my screen, I had no idea you were having to scroll sideways? 

From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Wed Oct 2 13:16:34 2002

Message:
I'm sure you have a good point to make, but i refuse to scroll 
sideways...it hurts my eyes.

From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Wed Oct 2 13:23:03 2002

Message:
"September eleven 2001 was just one nasty day out of many"

...oH REALLY... I don't recall the last time I had to see two 
planes destroyed the largest buildings five blocks from where i 
work.  See DQ, your problem is not your recall of history, but 
you don't undertsand the revelance of THIS THING happending in 
the year 2001.  I don't understand about what happend to the 
phillipinos back 100 years ago, or even 25 years ago, or even 
10 years ago.  I want those terrorist captured and destroyed 
because I do undertstand the pain and suffering that they 
cause.  I can't go on at this point and sympatized with all 
other people hurt in the world throughout time, because they 
are not five blocks away from me. DO you undertsand that?

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Just Once!
Date: Wed Oct 2 12:40:00 2002

Message:
Oh God just once I wish you would read me correctly just once!
I said 1945 not WW2 which just happen to be in the same time 
frame but that's not what I said! And I was never looking for a 
letter from a Soldier to his family so of course I AM NOT GOING 
TO FIND IT!!! And I dont read so well? You better back up and 
take a look at your own posts buddy. You have bashed the United 
States since we first started this "Discussion" as you put it. 
Remember "I hold your Country responsible for 1.4 million 
deaths"?
And I said I'm sick of EVERYBODY (Not just you) putting all the 
blame on the US for EVERYTHING that goes wrong in the World
(Including the Environment). You are just 1 in a long list of 
Morons that TRY to blame us for WHATEVER BAD Happened that day, 
or year to WHOMEVER, WHEREVER, for WHATEVER reason.
And pin you down to what? I cant even pin you down to where your 
from or what the hell your point is!
Now I will agree that EVERY Country is responsible for the 
Environment.
Boy are you all over the map here, you seem to have something
to say about everything.
And I am so glad that your country is investing in the 
environment as well as poluting it. But your not going to pin
the rest of the environmental problems soley on the US, just 
because we are Bigger than yours. Russia, Iraq, Germany, Iran, 
Egypt, etc..are also bigger than yours (I'm assuming since you 
have never said exactly where you are from)
Now POVERTY!?!?!? I'm sorry buddy but we arent responsible
for EVERYONES Poverty. I'm afraid they are responsible for their 
own! However we send more humanitarian aid to those countries 
probably than you do. We feed the starving, send medicine to the 
sick, and help rebuild countries that have been raveged by 
devistation like INDIA where they have had horrible disasters
like earthquakes, typhoons, etc...
Ahhh you live in a FREE Country too! Well that knocks off a few
countries, but doesnt quite narrow it down to where you are at.
It seems we have covered the same bases over and over and over
again. 
Yes you have the right to answer me in any way you like, and I TO
YOU! 
And dont EVEN get me started on Iraq!
I dont attempt to attack you, you leave that door open for that
on your own. When you act like an ass I will tell you, as you 
must be able to tell by now, I say what's on my mind.
And after the devistating attacks of 9-11 I do say How Dare You
say shit like "How are you suppose to retaliate on a country 
that is bigger than yours" "Attack civilian targets" You are 
beginning to sound like one of those chickenshit terrorists when
you talk like that!
You sometimes dont seem to know what an adult conversation is
if it slapped you in the face. When you talk like that and 
continuously bash the US (And dont say you dont because you have 
since the beginning) and act like we are the only country
out there who does anything wrong you leave yourself open for 
those comments when obviously you must like the abuse when you 
are talking to an AMERICAN what the hell do you expect? 
I am glad to see you hate those terrorist bastards too,(Even 
though you act like them sometimes)But crashing a plane into the 
Pentagon was just like attacking my Nations Army! And Using 
Planes full of INNOCENT PEOPLE and crashing them into our
Country at all is an act of nothing more than a chickenshit, 
spineless,
Coward Sir! They are to chickenshit to face us 1 on 1 NOOOOOOOOOO
they have to commit Homicide Missions MURDER!
I never said "digging" up the past was bad (God read my or your 
own posts for once) I said we cant CHANGE the past and why dwell 
on it, that we will not be held accountable for what our 
ancestors did,(There's a few of them I would like to take out 
back also) and we can do nothing to change the past but we can 
change the future.
Oh whoopie you like some of our actors, writers, and producers!
I'm SHOCKED. Now how about that Sunday BBQ. 
If you dont want me to call you ignorant then dont act like it.
If you are talking to me as an AMERICAN then dont say all the
crap you think you know about us to me, because I will defend my 
Country, especially if you dont say where your from so I can 
hand you a fact sheet on yours!
And I hope you got along fine with this freindly guy from 
Missouri, cause I sure as hell know you did not look him in 
the eye and say "You had this comming"....






From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Wed Oct 2 15:36:45 2002

Message:
WOW...you did it... now i actually read your angry post.  Why 
do you take everything the DQ  says to heart...it makes you so 
angry for nothing.  His  only point well taken is that this 
country does indeed commit horrible acts agaisnt others, we 
just never know about it or we have to wait decades to be 
exposed to it.  This is true, it has happend and it still does. 
But my point is that who doesn't.  Just because that is part of 
our history does mean that we give the terrosist a jar of 
vasiline and pray "mi culpa".  Why should we???? Now we will 
continue with the course of action intiated by 9-11 and DQ has 
to pray that the nukes don't fall on his country by 
accident...beacuse it does happend.

From: om/cf
To: Marie
Subject: DQ
Date: Wed Oct 2 18:49:33 2002

Message:
DQ is Dutch and lives in the Netherlands also commanly known as 
Holland. He also posts as Wouter, possibly his real name? Some 
of his posts may be abrasive to us Americans but they certainly 
stir up some debates! Carry on then!!!! 

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: DQ
Date: Thu Oct 3 01:12:19 2002

Message:
Because he started out his rambling with "I hold your Country 
accountable
or responsible for 1.4 million deaths"! And he pissed me off!
I responded
And its just been going on and on ever since, but I am getting
tired of it. I am just another pissed off AMERICAN and I know
there are millions of us but I dont have anywhere to vent my 
anger and frustration! So I look at this as like Um Therapy! lol
And I am trying now to type like a letter because I never knew
folks were having to scroll sideways!?!?!
Glad you found out where he was from I couldnt make sense out of
most of what he was saying!
Except the American Bashing shit! Well thanks, and Have a nice 
day! 

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Thu Oct 3 07:21:44 2002

Message:
The feeling is liewise. Everyday i check this board to read 
my fanmails from you.

It is also a therapy because an American like you is very 
hard to find in my place. I had a lot of negative feelings on 
that kind of person but didn't know anyone until i found you. 
Now i can say these things to you and actually hear your 
response.

I feel much better now.

We don\t read ecah others messages very well. You often 
misunderstand mine and i misunderstand yours.

Ofcourse that could be solved decent but instead there is a 
shower of american folklore language raining down. I don't 
mind. it does make the conversation more difficult.

For instance. in your last lines you wrote "Don't even get 
started on Iraq" I didn't start so what are you warning me 
for? Saddam is a mass murderer which should be stopped. 
Are you disspointed now that we agree on something?

I'm sorry for being rude but for you the Philippines is just a 
spot on the map. For me it is like a second home. In spite of 
the fact that you lack the knowledge about it you tell me that i 
should kiss the ground where your soldiers go.
How can you say that while youn don't even know what they 
are doing there? So if you don't want to discuss the 
Philippine issue than why do you try to go into discussion 
about it? Buut you made a few mansty remarks about the 
beautiful Philippines and i respond. you respond again in a 
way which seems untrue to me so i respond again.

By the way, i have another good example from you not 
reading my messages. I told you twice that i don't blame 
your country soley for the polution in the world and what did 
you say to me the last time? I quate: "But you are not going 
to pin down all the problems soley on the US" I never did 
that and i never will. If you would have red the message well 
you would have known that i'm not doing that. 

Until later. have to go.


From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Subject: Your answer
Date: Thu Oct 3 14:00:36 2002

Message:
Partly but much i don't understand.

Every disaster is unique. The New York, Pittsburgh and 
Washington was the first one like that. The sinking of the 
Wilhemm Gustloff was also one of it's kind just like every other 
disaster.

Every disaster is one of a kind due to certain characteristics. 
So therfor it is one of many.

For you it is one of a kind because it was one near your house.

But than you must also understand that for us it is one of many 
because it was not five blocks away from my home. With all 
respect of course.

But what you seem to say is that the september eleven disaster 
should be revenged even though innocents die. From your point of 
view that is easy to say because you live in the victimesed city 
and not in the place where the revenge is taken.

But these people are just as innocent as you. They will suffer 
the same as you and from the perspective you seem to have they 
have the same right to destroy the ones who did it like you. 
Even though innocent Americans will die. 

You say that you don't have to symphatise with all the people in 
the world but how would you react if the rest of the world would 
say that to you? They have the right to just as you.

But you seem to give yourself more rights than the rest of the 
world. MY city is hurt so innocent people can die in the revenge 
i don't have to symphatyse. But if the people who will die in 
the hunt for terrorists say the same you hate them even though 
you are doing the same

Do you realize what is so unright about that?

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Finaly!!!!!!
Date: Thu Oct 3 18:26:19 2002

Message:
I cant believe it! We have actually agreed on something! 
Almost....Just to clear up a couple details!!!!! I sure didnt 
consider this to be Fanmail! Its not AMERICAN Folklore, its just 
when AMERICANS  get mad sometimes they/me tend to cuss. I dont 
exactly
know what you mean when you say "An AMERICAN like me is hard to 
find where you live" or something to that affect! When AMERICANS
say "Dont get me started" it's slang for "I have a hell of alot 
to say whether you like it or not/or whether I'm right or not on 
that subject" lol....I do agree that we read each others 
messages incorrectly! Now how do you know the Philipines is just 
a dot on the map to me? That's what pisses me off sometimes
about you, you think you know what I am thinking but you dont.
And I may not know every thing there is to know about the 
Philipines I do know quite alot, I used to have Philipino 
neighbors also which I didnt mention before which were rescued
by AMERICAN Soldiers and brought to this Country. During some 
kind of uprising I dont remember what that was, but I do know 
that OUR US AMERICAN Soldiers rescued them and alot more from 
whatever it was that I cant remember and brought them here 
that's why I thought you were Philipino and I told you, you 
ought to kiss the ground they walk on. Because over alot of time 
here like 100 years or so we (The US) Have been trying to free 
them! By outright buying the damn Country to evacuating them!
And it was due to the Japanese that most of this shit happened 
to begin with. (And NO I dont have a predjudice bone in my body!)
And like I told you before I do know what they are doing there 
(Our Soldiers) They were asked, I take that back, OUR Government 
was asked not 2 weeks after the bombings/homicide missions, to 
help get rid of the terrorists in that Country and YOU know it 
as well as I do! And the only BAD remarks I made about the 
Beautiful Philipines was when that bastard Marcos was in Office.
I have never said any thing bad about the Philipines or the 
people there...Maybe you have been scrolling sideways too!!!!
Ugh! And we have already agreed that we dont read each others 
messages very well, so lets not get into the polution issue! 
(However I do read your messages better than you read mine)
But you have to admit you did start it when you said all those 
bad things about us in the beginning! I still cant believe that 
you hold us accountable for anything!!! Especially Deaths in the 
Philipines....Well I have to go too...Till Later My Weird Freind 
lol

From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Thu Oct 3 21:09:28 2002

Message:
That the point DQ...how I feel at this moment in  time is how 
many in this country feel...its our backyard.  And while i 
don't expect you to sympathize or accept this anger, thats how 
it is.  I don't want to think or feel any other way than what 
you feel, so it goes back to that infamous line DQ, you are 
with us or you are not... apprently you are not and that is ok, 
you don't live here and therfore you don't count in my eyes.

From: om/cf
To: Chicozen & DQ
Date: Thu Oct 3 22:03:27 2002

Message:
Things in Holland are not all fresh cut roses although DQ, with 
his rose colored glasses, may not admit it. It seems Muslim 
immigrant lads have taken quite a liking to gang-raping young 
Dutch girls! Below is NOT a single isolated incident. The 
PEACFULL Islamic immigrants are a crime wave unto themselves in 
Holland and Denmark!

http://nu.nl/document?n=63179&&

Hoogezand - A 13 year old girl from Hoogezand has fallen victim 
Wednesday morning to a group-rape. The girl says she was raped 
and assaulted by eight boys of Turkish origin, police confirmed 
Thursday. (snip)

Now DQ, you may be wondering how an American could translate the 
above article? I know enough German to be dangerous, but a 
Dutchman on a conservative American website actually translated 
this and other articles involving Islamics in the Netherlands 
viciously attacking young Dutch girls and attempting to 
intimidate the Dutch students in the schools. He is justifiably 
pissed off about it. A question: Was that Holland that had the 
conservative candidate that was murdered last year or was it 
Denmark? He was very much immigration reform orientated and a 
little light in the britches on his sexual orientation, if 
memory serves.

Anyway DQ, here's the e-mail of an honest to God conservative in 
the Netherlands.

hawkknight@home.nl

From: Dairy Queen
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Oct 4 07:32:00 2002

Message:
I wonder how you came to the conclusion why i would have 
rose coloured glasses. Did you ever hear me say that 
Holland is a perfect country? You never heard me say that 
because i didn't. I don't deny any of the things you wrote in 
your last lines but what do they have to do with me? Nothing.

The crime rate in Holland has rissen the last year due to the 
(children of) immigrants. From shop lifting to fraud. From 
gang rapings to robbings. If you would have asked me 
before if there are problems in Holland i would have told you 
that. So i don't see wher your hostility and your false 
accusation comes from. You ASSUME me to deny these 
incidents.

I only cary responsibility for my own acts, not for my nation 
because i am willing to admit the mistakes of my country. 
The reason that i didn't tell people about my nationality was 
because of the following reason: I expected that if i would 
make a good point and if the other side of the discussion 
didn't know what to say he or she would look for a way out in 
remarks about things which are not correct about my 
country. It would extend the discussion to a useless 
conversation. Holland occupied Indonesia for years, they 
slaughtered Indians in New York, they made money with the 
slave trade.

I also don't see what this subject has to do with the 
discussion. If you would like to know. I am furious about 
these rape cases. Every week i get involved in arguments 
with misbehaving immigrants who piss in the street, use 
drugs, steal bycicles. Many of these immigrants come from 
islamic countries but you know. Also the best hard working 
civilians in Holland are from there. They clean the floors 
because the indigenous Dutch are to educated to take a job 
like that. Disliking all the muslims in Holland would be 
generalising.

I was in the Philippines when the politician Fortuyn was 
murdered. As far as we know he wasn't murdered for his 
sexual orientation(that is the good thing about Holland, 
homo's from all over the world say that they feel most free 
here) or his position towards the integration problem. He 
was murdered by an environmentalist, the politician wanted 
to give the economy a priority to the environment. Animal 
rights fighter and veganist Volkert van der Graaf didn't like 
that and shot him.

By the way. You offended me a bit in your last lines. That 
message appears to be in Dutch and not in German. Dutch 
people have the same problem in understanding German 
language as you. In Holland we don't speak German but 
Nederlands. How would you like it if you would live in the 
south of the US and i would consider your language as 
Mexican?

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Fri Oct 4 08:18:25 2002

Message:
That was much nicer to read, clean words and one scroll 
down. The first time i posted on this part of the board was a 
reaction on someone who travelled a lot and concluded a 
superiority from his country.

I didn't like that so i reacted, to him in the begining. You 
reacted so i went on with you.

That country in Asia is very divided. Some are on your side 
some are against. Those deaths i was rammbling on did 
fall under US hands. The intervention was a profitmaker and 
not volunteer work. You know my feeling towards the current 
situation because i know other interests of the invasion. 
They were asked to come by the government, marionet of 
the west and the Filipino's on their side. In the south where 
it is actually happening i heard less positive voices and that 
is exactly the place to be when it is about the war.

We will never agree on that subject so never mind. My plane 
is leaving soon. I was hoping for a cheep chair in a plane 
with a private screen but now i have to bore myself in a 
European airline without my screen watching the grey hairs 
of the person in front of me.

I won't bother you with the polution problems. It seems that 
we do agree on that.

I hate Saddam for being a mass murderer. I am scared 
though, that an invasion will cause more violence but i'm 
also thinking that ones Saddan is out the people will 
suddenly come out with stories about how much they hated 
him and what he and his people have dome to him. I think it 
could be like the Nazi empire. When Hitler was gone it 
turned out that many Germans disliked him and the ones 
who spoke out than didn't even survive.




From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Fri Oct 4 08:36:24 2002

Message:
That is allright. You leave me and milions of others no 
choice than to be against you. You said to Marie that i have 
to pray that your nukes don't hit me and the innocents 
around me. That is a serious arrogant war threat because if 
someone would say that to you you wouldn't agree.

Stay inside your house in your country and if you come 
outside of it. Remember that everything you see there is 
under threat by people with your opinion.

From: om/cf
To: DQ
Date: Fri Oct 4 08:40:51 2002

Message:
Thanks for the input. Its appreciated. Have a safe trip and take 
care. I have to cut this short...Im supposed to be working!!LOL!

From: Chicozen
To: DQ
Date: Fri Oct 4 12:37:03 2002

Message:
Well thats perhqaps the most stupid thing you have said all 
along.  All this time, my biggest problem with you was simply 
that you talked way to lenghthy to make a statement to which I 
agreed on.  Yet you want us to stomach all the ills of this 
country as a justifaction for not going to war and the horrible 
things that war entitles.  And i said to you that you may not 
understand that beacuse you are in holland not New York, not 
the US.  And you don't...well so what? How can this be a threat 
to my well being or those around me??? Its a cowardly response 
to a long discourse DQ, and I feel that I gave you way too much 
credit for being a well intended idiot.  

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Fri Oct 4 17:07:26 2002

Message:
No, the simple point is that the reaction of you and others is 
stretching way beyond your borders and bothers us, even in our 
safety.
If it would be the other way around you prabobly would 
understand but you seem to be very poor in placing yourself in 
someone else's shoes.

You even threaten me and the people around me very agressively.

Ofcourse you consider me as an idiot. To your opinion anyone who 
doesn't agree with you is an idiot, and a terrorist.

From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Fri Oct 4 17:40:19 2002

Message:
NOT TRUE....I never said you were a terrorist...an idiot or a 
moron perhaps, but never a terrorist!  I think that you are the 
one who "seems to be very poor in placing yourself in 
someone else's shoes."  Hence your presence on this board.  Let 
me tell something.  I was not born in the United States, in 
fact I was born in a country who is/was "100%" affected by 
choices made in D.C.  The course of history was forever change 
by greedy decsions made by US politicians.  In fact, my country 
has been if not equally, more devasted by US interfernce. This 
is not a blind, ignorant, arogant Gringo.
Oh so you didn't like my joke about the nuke...Why?  Beacuse 
its aggresive...And what do you think you have been doing since 
you open your mouth on this board....Aggresively attacking the 
US for one act of violence or the other.  Well DQ, we are 
living in aggresive times...that's how I feel when I take a 
train or a bus, or a plane...because terrorist are aggresively 
seeking to harm us, and you want us to sit on our ass and 
wonder about the innocent in Afghanastan, in Iraq, in 
Holland... Have you ever though about the innocent people who 
worked at the World Trade center on 9/11.  YOU DON"T!!! Beacuse 
you don't care about those people or what we should do to 
validate their existance.  Perhaps that is not for you...and 
thats OK.  You have the right to disagree with our methods, you 
have the right to try to change those methods, you even have 
the right to join milllions of people who disagree, but while 
you are doing that, I will be here supporting those methods to 
make me and my family safe.  Why I choose to support my 
goverment has nothing to do with my lack of history and part 
abuses of this country in the Phillipnes, it has to do with how 
i want a future.  It has nothing to with ignorance or 
arrogance.  Its about how my world is very diffrent from yours.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Sat Oct 5 07:07:52 2002

Message:
I'll send you a longer response later but i'll tell you this.

Again you are misasaming. I was thinking about the innocent 
epople who died on septemberveleven and if you would have red 
what i wrote well you would have realised that. After i all i 
said that i don't want the same thing to happen in other 
countries as what happened in the Us is which is the dying of 
innocent people.

Further more i did try to place myself in your shoes and still i 
don't understand why more innocent people have to dy. that 
brings me to another misunderstanding from your side. You said 
that i want your country to sit on it;s ass and do nothing. 
Bullshit, i never told you that and never will.
But the current military actions are not on answer, also because 
the provoke more attacks on American (civilian )targets, simply 
because these people think the same way as you.

You are accusing me of being aggressive. That is bullshit. You 
made the arrogant remark that i should have to pray that nukes 
from your nation don't hit my house. I never said an agressive 
thing. I just pointed out the things i disagree with. 

I was right with my accusation to you. You are calling me an 
idiot because you don't agree with me. But not everyone who 
doesn't think the same way as you is an idiot. It is just easier 
for you to judge me that way.

From: me
To: you
Subject: arseholes
Date: Sat Oct 5 08:41:06 2002

Message:
Its time the world woke up to absolute facist wankers like

bush - total knobhead
tony blair - should be gassed

these people are disrespecting human rights

nobody with any sense wants war, so why are they constantly 
attacking through mindless jewish glasses.

the uk should immediately appoint a proper socialst government 
with a proper pm which is against war does not implore capilalsm
greed and propaganda, as well as employing a facist big borohter 
attitude.

full marks to anyone who can teach these mother fuckers a lesson

From:
To:
Date: Sat Oct 5 12:55:47 2002

Message:
"I'll send you a longer response later but i'll tell you this"
---(Your biggest fault by far.)

"Further more i did try to place myself in your shoes and still 
i don't understand " 
---(My point exactly!)

"You said that i want your country to sit on it;s ass and do 
nothing. Bullshit...But the current military actions are not on 
answer." 
---(Ironic, isn't it? What do you propose? Doing drugs, maybe a 
little weed to calm everyone???)

"You are accusing me of being aggressive. That is bullshit"
---(Oh, I see)

"I was right with my accusation to you"
---(how can an accusation be right, when you understand so 
little...you rambled on and on and on and on with the same 
thing, thus why am always refuting it, but its getting old by 
now)

"You are calling me and idiot because you don't agree with me."
---(stop being  such a sensative bitch, get past the point ok.  
YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT...does that make you feel better??  NOW, 
what should we be doing? What do you think is the best solution 
to this issue facing America and the international community? 
By saying that "Innocent people should not die" is very noble, 
but is it practical?  It sounds horrible, but what options do 
we have other than military action? Maybe a tea meeting with 
Bin Laden...and we should tell him to stop it because its a bad 
thing and it hurts people and thats not nice. Come on DQ...here 
is your chance to explain yourself to show me how wrong i am 
about you.



From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Sat Oct 5 12:55:47 2002

Message:
"I'll send you a longer response later but i'll tell you this"
---(Your biggest fault by far.)

"Further more i did try to place myself in your shoes and still 
i don't understand " 
---(My point exactly!)

"You said that i want your country to sit on it;s ass and do 
nothing. Bullshit...But the current military actions are not on 
answer." 
---(Ironic, isn't it? What do you propose? Doing drugs, maybe a 
little weed to calm everyone???)

"You are accusing me of being aggressive. That is bullshit"
---(Oh, I see)

"I was right with my accusation to you"
---(how can an accusation be right, when you understand so 
little...you rambled on and on and on and on with the same 
thing, thus why am always refuting it, but its getting old by 
now)

"You are calling me and idiot because you don't agree with me."
---(stop being  such a sensative bitch, get past the point ok.  
YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT...does that make you feel better??  NOW, 
what should we be doing? What do you think is the best solution 
to this issue facing America and the international community? 
By saying that "Innocent people should not die" is very noble, 
but is it practical?  It sounds horrible, but what options do 
we have other than military action? Maybe a tea meeting with 
Bin Laden...and we should tell him to stop it because its a bad 
thing and it hurts people and thats not nice. Come on DQ...here 
is your chance to explain yourself to show me how wrong i am 
about you.



From: Marie
To:
Date: Sat Oct 5 18:41:56 2002

Message:
Ok I suppose we are just suppose to sit back and let another 9-11
happen! I DONT THINK SO!!!!!!! Obviously that MOTHER FUCKER has 
something to hide or he would have let the inspectors back in 
YEARS ago. He's a sneeky, shady, dirty ass SON OF A BITCH, and I 
for one am not going to set back and get blown to bits by a 2 
bit looser like Saddam. Whether you voted for him, whether you
like him or not, no matter if he makes your skin crawl, Bush is 
OUR President and he has my FULL Support! Blair does too! At 
least Blair isnt some chickenshit, who's sitting back saying "Oh 
I dont know dont you think we need to give him another chance? 
SHIT"
How many chances does it take to get it through your thick sculls
that he has the capability to launch a weapon (Whatever it is)
our way in 45 FUCKING MINUTES!!!! Obviously Bush and Blair have 
done their homework and know alot more than they can say on 
National TV about the situation! I dont want to see innocent 
people killed either, but if they would have let the inspectors 
in years ago, this wouldnt be happening. Now they have brought 
it on themselves. I should say Saddam did not the Iraqi people.
I dont think we are going to loose that many lives on OUR side 
or theirs, we will probably gain Air Superiority in oh maybe 24-
48 hours, Stuff Saddam's CHICKENSHIT ASS in a bag and the whole 
damn thing will be over in a week or 2. We have come a Loooong 
way since the Gulf War, we are as someone else on this board
posted "Top Dog" and we will Surgicaly remove his ASS in a very 
short time. What happens after that I dont know, but at least he 
wont be a threat to OUR Country anymore! I would LOVE to see my 
children grow up, and my childrens children grow up, without the 
fear and the threat of Terrorist acts by ANYONE! And if that 
means going from Country to Country to put a stop to this  SHIT 
then so be it. Any other Country with  ANY BALLS  would do the 
same thing! September 14th 2001 The Congress and The Senate 
signed a bill authorising President Bush to do whatever it took 
to get rid of terrorism. Now they are like "Oh dude maybe we 
ought to wait" I want to know for what? For Saddam to Blow up 
our Country? FUCK THAT! I hope that bastard burns and rotts in 
hell for all the shit he has pulled even on his own people. And 
yes I do know about pain, maybe not as large a scale of 9-11-
2001....But I did happen to be In Oklahoma City April 19th 1995. 
The site of the FIRST terrorist attack on US Soil! So to me this 
whole thing is a double whammy! And those 168 lives were just as 
important as the 3000 that were lost on 9-11....I am tired of 
this BULLSHIT!!! And I will back whoever has the balls to stop 
it!  

From: .44
To: me
Date: Sat Oct 5 23:16:21 2002

Message:
Have you hugged that other arsehole Adolph today?  Bugger off 
boy!               
                

From: om/cf
To: Marie
Date: Sat Oct 5 23:16:39 2002

Message:
Are you aware there is considerable evidence (mostly 
circumstantial) tying Iraq and former Iraqi Republican Guard 
soldiers in the U.S. to the OKC bombing? Senetor Arlan Spector 
just days ago sent a letter to the Justice Dept. demanding 
recent information regarding the OKC bombing be investigated. It 
does make one wonder why there was such fast-track approach for 
executing McVeigh - the first federal execution in twenty years.

http://www.okcbombing.org/

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Mon Oct 7 04:06:58 2002

Message:
An answer to your first question. Your country is not 
supposed to attack nations which have nothing to do with 
the september attacks.

I'm ammused with your sarcastic tone. We dutch people 
use very little weed. A lot of it is sold to American tourists.

I was right with my accusation to you because you are very 
agressive. You said something very dangerous about nukes 
and that the world should just pray that they don't hit them. 
That is a very negative remark to anyone who reads it.

A sensative bitch? You also seem to be quitte sensative, the 
way you complain about the things i said. I think our 
sensativity is even, sensativity can be a good thing if you use 
it properly.

A military action against Bin laden and the Taliban is a good 
option. I never denied it but your nation is also attacking 
people who have a more distant relation or no relation at all 
with Bin Laden.  That is not a good option because it grows 
the hate and suffering. And who is the victim of that? You 
are. Because the grown hate by these actions will be 
expressed by attacking civilian targets in your country.

From: Chicozen
To: dairy queen
Date: Mon Oct 7 18:33:28 2002

Message:
Do you live in holland or la-la land???? Tell me Bin laden's 
address and we'll knock on his door, Ok.  Do you have any idea 
how terrorist work??? Its an international problem...they are 
everywhere therfore when there is international collaboration 
there is NO attack on inncoent countries.  By the way, I never 
complain....I just set the facts.  

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Tue Oct 8 05:13:50 2002

Message:
No, you just set YOUr SIDE of the facts. That is something 
different. 

If you look at it like that the terrorist who attacked your city 
were indeed right to do it. They are attacked by the west and 
in order to react they didn't care that they were killing 
innocents. That seems to be the same thing that you are 
supporting.

I don't know la la land. Never been there. Is it in America?

From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Tue Oct 8 06:12:34 2002

Message:
Tell one thing: How has the west attack the terrorist???See, 
now it goes beyong the philosophy of what is the correct course 
of action...now you can help to explain why you support 
terrorism, because according to you they had to be 
provoked...9/11 was a reaction...to what?...explain???  
There is HUGE diffrence between the US taking military action 
agaisnt aggresors than pockets or groups of people who act as 
they had the authority of a nation and act out SOLELY on the 
innocent in order to grab a headline and make some noise for 
their cause.  You never answered the simpliest of all 
questions: What are we to do?  And thats because you don't have 
a clue...I refuse to insult on the point that it has become too 
repetative and obviouse that your thinking is what we call 
WHACK!  Completely out of touch with reality...are you sure you 
guys up in holland don't smoke anything????

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Tue Oct 8 06:27:15 2002

Message:
I'll answer that.

What your country should do from my point of view is what 
they allready did. Throw over the Taliban regime, look for 
terrorist organisations active in the US. High up security 
measures, especially in planes. Perhaps throwing over 
Sadam Hussein.

What they shouldn't do is threatening the whole world. First 
your president told my country "who is not with us is against 
us." Which i considered as very reasonable after these 
events. Than your government military threatened my place, 
the international court of justice military. We received one of 
the first war threads since world war two fro an allie. 

We receive a threat and the choice to be with or against you. 
I, and quitte some other Dutch people i think  made the 
same choice you would make in this situation. Against.

Supporting terrorism. You are assuming that i support 
terrorism? (See the 3th and 4th lin from your last message). 
I don't. Obviously you misunderstood me. I said that FROM 
YOUR POINT OF VIEW i would support it because you are 
saying the same thing. Attacking in a reaction even though 
innocent people will be killed. it is just the toll which has to 
be paid(to your opinion). 

With all respect but i'm not saying that the attack was 
justified. But it was a reaction. The western government is 
supporting Israel. The western government has been 
helping Iraq in the attack against Iran. There are many 
cases of violated human rights. I hate the terrorists but if 
they wouldn't be murderers themselves i would understand 
why they are so angry.

Did you really think that a whole organisation of murderers 
and bastards is set up only to make a head line for no 
reason? The organisation is set up out of hate and with all 
respect for you and all hate towards the organisation but 
hate doesn't just come out of the blue.

Some people in Holland smoke something. I'm only 
speaking for myself. i don't. Just because you dissagree 
with me doesn't mean that i support terrorism and am 
mentally unstable. Even if i would be you can find many 
other people who think the same as me who are as smart 
as you. 

That shows the general attitude we receive from many 
poeple in your nation. "We think this and the ones who don't 
agree are drug abusing retards."

From: om/cf
To: DQ
Date: Tue Oct 8 18:11:45 2002

Message:
In no way has the U.S. "threatened" your country or the "whole 
world". Maybe you should change your board name to Drama Queen! 
What is current policy is: If a country is known to support or 
harbor known terrorists, then they damn well better think about 
a change in attitude. Taking a pass on the World military court 
is a no-brainer since U.S. soldiers are making up the biggest 
percentage of troops ass spanking these Islamic Zombies. To have 
our young men and women in uniform carrying around a freekin' 
book of do's and dont's will get them killed and we all know the 
peacnik Euro-weenies would be out for American blood! Fuck a 
bunch of that!! I believe a statement was made to the effect 
of "if the world court held illegally American soldiers, the 
U.S. would retrieve its soldiers". Now, if you take that as 
threat against the Hague, then so be it.

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: OKC
Date: Tue Oct 8 22:42:51 2002

Message:
Thank's I didnt know that. Did you also know that Tim Mcveigh 
stayed at the same motel off the I 40 somewhere that Mohammed
Atta and a couple of the other 9-11 terrorists stayed at? When
I find it I will post it, its called "The Terrorist Motel". 
But he did say screw the rest of his appeals and wanted to get
his execution over with. And went to his grave without ever
saying a word. I guess the truth still lies with Terry Nichols
who is still in the Oklahoma County Jail awaiting his State
trial for the civilian deaths. At this point in time I am all 
for shooting these bastards up with truth syrum if that's what
it takes to find out what the hell is really going on. Unless
it was a test run, I do however kind of find it hard to believe
that the first attack (assuming this is all connected in some
weird way) happened to be in Oklahoma City of all places!!!!
But its another good conspiracy theory! Or is it!

From: writing a paper
To: all
Date: Tue Oct 8 23:15:21 2002

Message:
can anyone give me an EDUCATED opinion about the 
question "should the U.S. go to war with iraq?" remember, 
educated. it is for a college paper.

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: Terrorist Motel
Date: Tue Oct 8 23:17:43 2002

Message:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/OKC_motel.htm

From: Chicozen
To: DRAMA QUEEN
Date: Wed Oct 9 00:05:18 2002

Message:
Thank you om/cf, well said.  I'm just sarcastic beacuse i find 
it so childish of you to hold on to a point that has been 
crushed throughout these discussions.  Military agression is a 
need, and because you don't live here you don't understand and 
you do act like a drug abusing retard, even if you are not.  
Actually, your way of thinking is what is dangerous.

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Ya Know!
Date: Wed Oct 9 00:18:51 2002

Message:
Maybe after we (America's Finest Military) have smoked Saddam's 
ass, we should go see what's
REALLY going on in Holland! Besides alot of weed smoking, and 
journalism. We didnt set out to become the WORLD Police
but you never know, The United Countries Of America has a nice 
ring to it! :-)

From: Marie
To: Me
Subject: GOD!!!!
Date: Wed Oct 9 00:32:54 2002

Message:
You need phsyciatric help!

From: Marie
To: Writing a Paper
Subject: Ha! You have got to be kidding
Date: Wed Oct 9 00:37:00 2002

Message:
Read this board! You will find differing veiws/opinions on just 
about
everything! But I say HELL YEAH! Get rid of his weapons! kick his
ass! Kill the terrorists! Then lets go see what's up in Holland! 

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chicosen
Date: Wed Oct 9 04:18:03 2002

Message:
Let's repeat what you said. It is dangerous that i am against 
agression. You are ignoring other points i made, and i feel 
that i know why. 

But anyway. The point of threatening the tribunal in Den 
Haag has not been discussed. The US doesn't want any of 
it's soldiers to be triald in another country because they 
know that it will get known worldwide that American soldiers 
get orders from higher up to commit crimes which have 
nothing to do with fighting terrorism.

On the other hand. they weren't afraid to take war criminals 
from another country to Cuba. I don't have a problem with 
that but it doe mean that they are measering in two sizes.

Childish. I don't think i am. At leat not in this message 
board. You are making jokes about weed which has nothing 
to do with the subject and you curse a lot. That brings me to 
the last point. Could you respond to the things i said before 
in the last sentence. 

Because in our culture ignoring a point means admitting 
that you are wrong.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Wed Oct 9 06:56:09 2002

Message:
For the last time. i am only speaking for myself and not for 
the country where i come from. I also don't say things about 
everyone in your country due to some individuals.

I can comfort you with the notion that my country can be 
quitte a suck up to the US. Also there is nothing to hide in 
this country so your line: what is REALLY going on in 
Holland is nonsense.

The only thing you seem to know about Holland is me and 
the news you hear about weed and a murdered politician. 
So trying to insult me and other Dutch doesn't have much 
affect.

the rest of what you said is quitte hard to understand.

Have a pleasant day, Queen

From: Dairy Queen
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Oct 9 07:02:57 2002

Message:
That's exactly the point. Your country considers it illegal and i 
allready explained why. We are indeed threatened because 
the congress decided to be in favour of liberating US 
prisoners by force from the war tribunal. If there will be US 
prisoners they will perhaps be held a few inutes away from 
my own in a prison nicknamed Orange Hotel. 

"Than so be it" That is your opinion but the threat is true and 
again. You cannot expect people to support them if you put a 
threat to them.

Perhaps you wouldn't except it. I know that i don't.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie, om/cf and Chicosen
Date: Wed Oct 9 07:11:29 2002

Message:
I am always very interested to read the things you have to 
say to me. I admire the fact that you all put effort in it.

The last messages were very interesting because i have the 
feeling that the three of you found each other partly. 

What i would prefer more is if some of you would also react 
to the things i say. If you call something bullshit or wack i 
would like to know why. You know, i never said "I am right" 
Opinions can change and maybe someday i might totally 
agree with you all or some of you as long as i get a good 
point which will make me think differently. 

But instead some of you only react with: "shut the fuck up", 
"bullshit", "wack", "drugabusing retard", (i smoked weed 
ones but i didn't inhale haha), and more of that.

That doesn't make me change my opinion. that strengtens 
my earlier opinions.

I know that it is prabobly not your goal to change my mind 
but if you want to face all the people on that way it just grows 
the negativity towards you. And in this world everyone can 
get hurt.

From:
To:
Date: Wed Oct 9 13:26:29 2002

Message:
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From: arab kingdom 
To: all 
Date: Wed Oct 9 08:58:42 2002 
Message:
i'm really a chickenshit coward who would never face anyone in 
real world. i am a big pussy with soft hands and i live with my 
mommy. i am a the biggest pussy in the universe. well, not the 
biggest. Osama is the biggest. but im definately number 2.
okay, maybe 3 because i think mohammad is a pussy too, but 
definately number 3. yes i am number 3 pussy in the universe, or 
maybe 4 because i think arafat is a bigger pussy than me too. 
okay , yes i am number 4 for certain. 
well,
let me think for  a minute.
okay, yes i think that is it
i am number 4 pussy behind osama, mohammad and arafat.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: arab kingdom 
To: all 
Date: Wed Oct 9 09:11:16 2002 
Message:
oh, and i got nice bitch titties too
-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: arab kingdom 
To: The American Peoples 
Date: Wed Oct 9 13:18:33 2002 
Message:
i am so stupid!
all arab are so stupid!
all arab are coward
all arab are sneeky and liars
all arab are raghed shit eating scum of erth
all arab men are like infection and the puss drip from my penus
all arab women are like rotting death and smell fo old sewar
my ass itch and need scratch now
i must go

From: Chicozen
To: arab kingdom
Date: Wed Oct 9 19:10:57 2002

Message:
WOW...you are so original! You are one boring motherfucker.  
And if anybody response in anger or disbelief to your smarty 
messsage, they would be are idiotic as you.  Go pop your zits 
beacuse that is about as exciting you get.

From: Chicozen
To: DQ (Disco Queen)
Date: Wed Oct 9 19:23:24 2002

Message:
You are borderline boring as AK, but what did you want me to 
respond to??? That hate does not grow out of nothing??? NO 
really??? I had no idea, you are so smart queenie! 
I think the one looking for some kind of attention is YOU.
           "What i would prefer more is if some of
                    you would also react 
                    to the things i say. "

Oh please, See Dutchie, you have a fundamental problem with all 
your arguments on this board.  We are not talking about the 
rights and wrongs of the world, all the innocent vs, all the 
guilty, or past tragedies.  We are talking about 9/11/01.  You 
forget that and blah on about world courts and the poor 
philipinos...  I honestly as much as I hate military movement 
and military conflict and God know to see anybody that is 
innocent to get hurt, see no better alternative than to take 
our military to the middle east and hunt some dumb ass 
terrorist, i have no problem if the US throws one, two, or 
three bombs  toward that direction.  Until this problem is fix, 
i will not support anythinh less than the most aggresive hunt 
possible.  One more thing, especially toward supporters of 
Arabs hating Jews: Who fucks you harder, the Jews or those who 
are in power with your support...?  I don't defend Israel, but 
i will never support those Arabs who swear that Jews are the 
only source of their patheic existance.  Unfortunely, in very 
poor countries it is those who want to retain an inbalance form 
of power and money that do the most harm, so if you think that 
9/11 is justified, then you are probably a bigger asshole than 
the Drama Dutch Queen.

From: Chicozen
To:
Date: Wed Oct 9 19:41:41 2002

Message:
By the way, I'm not saying all arab nations are poor, beacuse 
many arab nations are extremly wealthy, but to prove the point, 
that waelth is so poorly distrubuted, almost like the old 
saying, "1% of the nation controls 99% of the land"

From: DQ
To: Chicosen
Date: Thu Oct 10 11:16:34 2002

Message:
Attention is not my goal in this conversation. My goal is to 
have a disciussion with people about todays happenings.

Your lined about the arab world in the message pointed to 
me are no well placed. I never mentioned the Middle east.

After all the things you said you suddenly come to the 
conclusion that i shouldn't have started the subject in the 
first place? I know whay you want to change the subject but 
these topics are a result of september eleven.

This is a free and open message board. If you don't want to 
respond to me than you can do that. If you do, and you did, i 
respond back until this comming december. After that i am 
out of the country so than you can happily talk with Marie and 
om/cf about how superior you feel and how the whole world 
sucks, (without getting disturbed by smoking vegatarian 
retarded euro weenie's).

Regards, the dairy queen

From: om/cf
To: DQ
Subject: God help me, I COULDN'T RESIST!
Date: Thu Oct 10 21:09:56 2002

Message:
By:

(without getting disturbed by smoking vegatarian 
retarded euro weenie's).

Did you mean:

(without getting disturbed by euro, weenie smokin', retarded 
vegetarians).

From: Chicozen
To: DRAMA QUEEN (DQ)
Date: Fri Oct 11 13:53:10 2002

Message:
Geez, you sound mad...by the way what was your point???  Your 
presence on this board does not bother me, i simply like to 
point out to things that you seem unaware of, or correct you 
with certain facts, and at times agreeing with...but you sound 
like you need to CALM DOWN, since weed is legal in 
Holland...give it a try, i think it will help you, if not go 
the red light district for a tender touch, and if that does 
work, you can have a carrot or two to cheer up. ;)

From: Chicozen
To: DRAMA QUEEN (DQ)
Date: Fri Oct 11 13:59:45 2002

Message:
Where are you leaving to that they do not have internet 
access??? You are going to AFGHANATAN aren't you?  I believe 
that all the terrorist camp are close until further notice....

From: Drama Queen
To: Chickosen
Date: Fri Oct 11 14:17:08 2002

Message:
I'm going to the Philippines where they have pleny of internet 
access but not in the jungle where i'm going. I need all the 
time on the internet i have to send articles to Holland.

I'm not mad, That's another misunderstanding.

My girlfriend wouldn't apreciate the paid gender touch and i am 
very calm. I have always been. Especially considering the things 
i hear.

But let's be more precise. What things i said are not true to 
your opinion?

From: Dairy Queen
To: Chickosen
Date: Fri Oct 11 15:42:18 2002

Message:
Anyway. The feeling is mutual. I like to point you on facts you 
seemed to be unaware of. You like to do the same but what facts 
did you think i wasn't aware of? To my feeling is was while you 
didn't seem to be aware of things i tried to tell you about.

Also are you trying to attack on a very teasing way. That i 
would lose my temper. That i should try to use weed. Or that i 
should go to see prostitutes.

But by saying these things you betrayed yourself in a way. You 
see. In my country we know of two kinds of Americans. The ones 
who come here to see the natural parcs, history and culture, 
because that is what they heard of at home. Or the ones who take 
the first train from the airport to the red light district in 
Amsterdam, because that is the only thing that seems to attract 
them. And when they come home with a hang over and herpes they 
say that Dutch are perverts. Even though the prostitution in 
Holland is thriving on foreigners and all of Holland they saw 
was the area for which they had to take a lot of effort to find 
in the first place.

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Our AMERICAN Soldiers
Date: Fri Oct 11 22:23:04 2002

Message:
Unless you have walked in our SOLDIERS footsteps, 
and actually been an AMERICAN SOLDIER, do NOT presume to know
what orders they take, from whom they take them from, their
objectives, or anything else they have been called upon to do!

Your comment:

("American soldiers 
get orders from higher up to commit crimes which have 
nothing to do with fighting terrorism.")

You know absolutely NOTHING about OUR AMERICAN SOLDIERS do NOT
Presume you do!

Our Soldiers do NOT commit crimes! They are very diciplined.
The most Courteous people you would ever want to meet!
Yes when they are called upon they SERVE! They are PROUD, they
are determined, they are very well trained, and they are not
the least bit scared.
They have been called upon this time to face maybe the biggest
battle they ever have had to face.
AND THEY WILL PREVAIL!!!!!!

GOD BLESS OUR AMERICAN SOLDIERS!
GOD BLESS OUR COALITION SOLDIERS TOO!

If it wasnt for our Soldiers not just the Beautiful USA, but 
perhaps the entire world would be under the control of some
Lunatic Nazi Ass Bastard! Maybe your country too!

GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!!


From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Holland
Date: Fri Oct 11 23:08:52 2002

Message:
I really dont give a rats ass how much weed you smoke over there.
And I know nothing about a murdered Polotician! Hell we smoke
weed here too! If your country wants to suck up to the US
then that's their thing man! I dont find it comforting or not
comforting!
What I do find comforting is the fact that your people were
not thrown in a pit, by some Nazi mother fucker after they were
humiliated and tortured to death! Unlike those who suffered
the most horrible crime mankind could commit! "The Holocaust"
I dont suppose we will get a Thank You for that one either!
In our Country: (Your quote) "The rest of what you say is hard 
to understand"
Is admitting your wrong also :-)
Or a clever way to avoid answering a question!

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: War Tribunals
Date: Fri Oct 11 23:35:58 2002

Message:
There is a big differance in a well organized Military that
defends its Country (USA) with an actual Government, and a bunch 
of ninth century
terrorists, (Al Queida) that have waged some form of a Jihad 
(mental instability) on a peaceful Nation (US), and then taken 
into custody and held at Gitmo!
So there are several less of them to fly planes as missles into
buildings on our soil! We are at WAR Airhead!
WE WERE THE ONES ATTACKED. There are not going to be any
AMERICAN prisoners held at an Orange Motel or anywhere else
because we will come get them if (IF) they are captured!
The only reason WE wont bring those terrorist bastards
to the US, is because our Government KNOWS, and wouldnt be able
to control the AMERICAN people from killing those spinless,
cowards!
 

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Effort
Date: Sat Oct 12 00:04:56 2002

Message:
Actually it doesnt take much effort to put you in your place!
Since you seem to not know as much as I thought you did about 
our Country!
It's just entertaining now! :-)

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Ahem!
Date: Sat Oct 12 00:14:45 2002

Message:
Your Statement:
"Attention is not my goal in this conversation. My goal is to 
have a disciussion with people about todays happenings".

If you recall you started this entire debate, discussion, talk, 
whatever you call it with:
I hold your Country accountable for 1.4 million deaths!!!!
You then went on to things that happened in the Philipines and
everywhere else in the world YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEARS ago!
Now we have finally made it up to Today's Happenings?
I must admit your a shifty fellow, But you are not fooling
anyone! You just want to talk! About what sometimes I dont know!
But that's what this board is for! And it is 
certainly your right to do so! But at least admit you want to 
talk about EVERYTHING  from the beginning of time to the present
lmao!


From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: HaHa
Date: Sat Oct 12 00:34:40 2002

Message:
Lmmfao@(without getting disturbed by euro, weenie smokin', 
retarded 
vegetarians).

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: Ok I couldnt resist this time!
Date: Sat Oct 12 00:42:31 2002

Message:
How did you know the red light district was in Amsterdam? HaHa 
Maybe I might go smoke something! You all are cracking me up 
tonight! 

From: Marie
To: Arab Nations
Subject: !
Date: Sat Oct 12 01:01:10 2002

Message:
I heard Preperation H works well for that nasty ass scratch 
problem!

Seek Help!

From: dairy queen
To: marie
Date: Sat Oct 12 07:20:14 2002

Message:
Wow. You do have a lot to say. because it is not coherent i will 
try to answer as much as i can in a few minutes.

-I never said that i know everything about your country and you 
know much less of my place anyway so still the know it all here 
is not you.

-everyone knows that the main dutch red light district is in 
amsterdam. There is no shame in it to have knowledge about 
something negatative

-about american soldiers. everyone can commit crimes. aslo 
american soldiers. iof you blindly want to misassume that 
american soldiers can not commit crimes than you are living in a 
phantasy world.

-i want to talk about the things which bother me. that thing is 
now your country. i have the same right to be angry as you and 
yet i keep my temper unlike you

-like i said before i agree with you on one part. your country 
was indeed attacked but, to my opinion, the way they are 
responding is provoking more attacks instead of stopping them.

-you are understimating what i know and call it entertaining.
we are having a conversation in english and not in my native 
language. 

From: Kadazandusun (Onkor)
To: Kadazandusun (Anak anak)
Subject: Pibarasan
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:07:44 2002

Message:
Oi tompinai kou ngaii dot bansa Kadazandusun do hiti id sabah 
toi hinonggo nopo, otumbayan oku dot id suang dot website diti, 
ogumu nabasa dokoyu do pasal noh dot "terrorist" kah gisom dot 
arait ngaii pasal dot ugama. Otumbayan oku dot karait nopo diti 
nga osorou ku om sontob nopo dilo tulun dot mongoi aampai do 
sontob karaatan miagal di Osama, Abu Sayaf om ogumu poh suai amu 
mongira dot nunu oh kotumbayan dau, apatut noh daa kopio dot 
mangan kopio sonogodo do gisom opunso iolo tu monusa nopo iolo 
dot tulun dii inggaa douso. Lihuai tokou pasal dilo "terrorism", 
iotokou do hiti pogun Sabah, Malaysia, kada tokou lihuai iit 
koubasan tokou miagal dilo mogitatabang (goton royong), 
mogipapaantang kumaa tiso om tiso, boros tokou nga mangan noh 
pajaro kumaa tanak tokou tu atagak nopo ilo boros tokou nga 
komoyon dot atagak noh bansa toi kointutunan tokou. Osonong 
nogi daa dot ilo tongosundait om tongotangon do mangan tokou daa 
paajaro do kumaa do tangaanak tokou om osonong nogi daa do mangan 
pobuuko toi potulison id buuk mooi do amu no daa olihuan. Suai 
mantad dilo iri nopo ih buuk nga obuli do mangan dodio dot bahan 
rujukan dot tangaanak tokou dot sumonuu. Obuli kou daa dot 
mongoi ruba dot koisaan Kadaandusun do mokitulung do 
popoinsonong dii tinulisan dokoyu om nung obuli nga mangan 
dagango tu noilaan tokou do okurangan kopio do buuk ih 
tinulis boros tokou. Kumaa dot koisaan do tulun tokou dot 
osonong doti daa dot pohoroon daa ot iso sikul pinsingilaan 
do mamain ngaii dilo tunion do bansa tokou miagal mangagung, 
popouni do sompoton om ogumu poh suai. Ioho (ioku) poh 
sondiri nga orohian daa balajar nga hinonggo oh ngoyon 
balajarai. Haro nabasa ku doid kolobusan dot Daily Express dii 
ontok 06/10/2002, tadau koturu, dot tanak Dusun nopo di muslim 
nga mangakun kaka dot Malayu. Amu oku nokoilo nunu pasal. Okon 
koh muslim nopo dii om Malayu nodii kakah. Obuduhan oku do tulun 
haro bansa sondiri do mangakun do bansa suai. Omoluan doti do 
bansa sondiri? Pasal au koilo moboros do boros dusun? Pasal 
kiugama dot Islam? Haro nogi duo tulun do Dusun muslim miompinai 
poingion dot iso kampung do hiti Keningau(Tapa om tina diolo 
bansa do Dusun) goduduo koilo moboros Dusun do norongou ku do 
miboros do mamakai boros Malayu. Ohoiran oku kopio nokuro tu 
ingkaa. Lolobi pod tanak diolo om koilo no'd mimboros Dusun. 
Soira nopo dot monongkiboros doho mamakai dot boros Dusun.Iso poh 
kagu pasal diti moginum dot tinumon dii kaauk miagal diit lihing, 
montoku, beer, stout om ogumu poh suai. Okon ko mogodu oku dokoyu 
dot moginum nga nung moginum, kada daa poginum gisom dot kalapik 
gisom dot koilob om amu nodii kopuriman dot silaan dot tasu 
(oindamaan dot aauk) tu okon nopo ko momirumbak do kolidasan 
(kesihatan) nga papamalu do bansa tokou om nogi momirumbak dot 
karaja tokou dot tikid tadau. Haro oh songulun tulun hilo'd 
kampung ku'd sondiri do nakaanu do karaja dot tosonong id iso 
bank hiti Kota Kinabalu dot pinalapas do karaja tu asaru kopio 
dot kalatang (amu kongoi karaja) tu pasal dot kogutan. Alapas dot 
mantad diri inggaa podi karaja dau tu soira nopo dii dot oindoso 
dot inggaa tusin ongoi noh isio karaja id kilang batu (Quarry) 
oruhai om lumapas tu amu gia katahan tu oudipon kopio karaja. Au 
alaid pogidu noh sawo disio miampai minogowit dii tanak dilo tu 
amu katahan kowowoyo'o (tabiat) di sawo dau. Karaja nopo dii 
disio nga mongoi poh pimpnau mongoi pogihum dot poginuman om au 
alaid kahabar do napatai noh isio tu noontok kaka dot toluor 
tangkayau. Iso poh kagu kowowoyo dot tulun tokou dii amu songkuro 
do osonong dot okito ku nga ilo mogipipilad dot soira haro 
komojuan dot songulun. Aharap oku daa do kada daa kopipiladai do 
pasal do komogoton do suai tulun tu mogiiso tokou daa do 
popoingkawas dot ningkokoton dot tulun tokou miagal do bansa 
suai. Alansan oku dot nasanangan kou dot mambasa diti sorita ku 
om nogi id kaharapan ku tu osonong noh daa haro sorita id boros 
tokou dot kosuang id Internet, konii? Nung isai isai ih orohian 
monulis kumaa doho, alamat E-mail ku nopo nga ggk@tm.net.my
Kounsikahan, aramai tii om hino kou noh.

From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Sat Oct 12 15:09:25 2002

Message:
Marie, SHUT UP!!!!  You make no sense, you are making a fucking 
fool out of yourself...For God sakes, write something that 
makes fucking sense.  You have annoyed me more than DQ could 
his whole life.  You honestly give American a terrible name.  
Not all Americans think of their military as angels...they are 
not.  But please tell me what army has.  The military protects 
us, but you will never want to know at what cost...its a 
terrible thing, any God damn soldier will tell you that.  Part 
of being a proud and good citizen is being able to aknowlege 
where we do wrong, so that we may always fight to do the very 
we know how...as citizens, not a soldier, that is all we can 
hope.  I will admit that, yet I know that we have to support 
them in times like this.

From: Marie
To: DQ and Chicozen
Subject: What a Fine Example!
Date: Sat Oct 12 17:05:12 2002

Message:
Chicozen was I addressing you? Hell no! I was talking to DQ! You
are the only one making a fool out of  Yourself! Are you
related to a US Soldier? Hell NO! If I want to get on this board 
and thank our Soldiers for what an oustanding job they do! So
help me GOD I will! Your the one who needs to shut the fuck up! 
If you dont like my posts DONT FUCKING READ THEM! Grow up for 
God's sake! I think you earn the name of DRAMA QUEEN more than 
DQ does! What a Fine example of an AMERICAN CITIZEN  that was 
idiot!

From: Helena
To: Marie
Subject: You GO!
Date: Sat Oct 12 23:09:29 2002

Message:
I agree with Marie! Chicozen, shut the fuck up! haha  
Go USA, Go USA, its your birthday! Woohoo GO ARMY! GO NAVY!
--------------------------------------------------------------
Also to "osamas my pretty little bitch" you can point your 
missile this way.  =) Have a wonderful day all of you! 
--------------------------------------------------------------
Dairy Queen?? Are YOU gay? hahahahaha

From: Chicozen
To: Marie + Helena
Date: Sun Oct 13 05:43:33 2002

Message:
Know I get it!  You are really some fucking terrorist who is 
trying to make Americans look like idiots by your good for shit 
comments.  I have family members who are military personel for 
fucking decades you fucking idiot.  And you really offend those 
people who serve in the services.  Because you are one ignorant 
fucking bitch...Grow up? Read your own comments, third grade 
material sweetheart.  I have no problem hearing your opinions, 
but opinions often have facts and some sort of realiable 
background to them.  Your asshole shits more commen sense than 
your brain and mouth put toghther.  I have no tolenrence for 
fucking idiots that make terrorist sound good.  Helena ARE YOU 
GAY???  I know for a fact you  and MArie shack up...no shame 
with carpent muching...But do me a favor, floss before you 
fucking talk, it impedes your communication just a bit.

From: swtcreamygirl
To: whoever
Subject: what?
Date: Sun Oct 13 12:42:29 2002

Message:
yall know if it wasn't for america, probably the world is a 
destruction and it woulldn't be as it is today. yall should 
thanks america so why the hate? stop trippin and get back into 
yall closets or else go zip yall big ugly mouth up. show some 
respect for america. without them, the world probably be like 
nowhere.


From: Dairy Queen
To: Helena
Subject: If i am gay or not
Date: Sun Oct 13 13:16:42 2002

Message:
Well. Now there is an interesting question. The fact whether i 
am gay or not has nothing to do w........

pff what am i talking what the hell

No i have a girlfriend for more than a year now but if i 
wouldn't have i could prove you that i'm not.

From: Helena
To: You
Subject: Terrorists
Date: Sun Oct 13 15:59:42 2002

Message:
Me? A terrorist?? Haha Not even close! Try again! =)
-------------------------------------------------
Dairy Queen? I am glad u  got a girlfreind dude. Maybe you need 
to think about going back to your original name then. Queen is 
just not suitable for a MAN.  
-------------------------------------------------
Marie -- I am leaving my hubby and kids now to come "munch on 
your carpet" (LMAO) oh by the way, where do you live and how do 
I get there from here?  
--------------------------------------------------
and one other thing.... GO USA! Go Get Em!

From: om/cf
To: Dairy King
Subject: Wisconsin is THE Dairy State!
Date: Sun Oct 13 21:55:02 2002

Message:
Are the murdering Islamic zombies responsible for the mass 
murder of 200 Australians in Bali connected to any of the 
various Islamic Death Cultist groups in the Philipinnes? 

Indonesia may be the largest Muslim country in the world, but 
they fail to realise the resolve of the free world. Indonesia 
paying lip service to the nations committed to fighting 
terrorism while allowing (harboring) Islamic terrorists to 
operate is unacceptable. Murdering Australian citizens is 
unacceptable. Lucky (or unlucky) for you the U.S. troops in the 
Philipinnes may soon have more important matters at hand than 
chasing a couple hundred Islamic animals through the jungle.

Islam = murder = genocide 

From: Marie
To: Chicozen
Subject: Good God!
Date: Sun Oct 13 23:58:43 2002

Message:
I have family memebers who are also Soldiers, and have served in 
the Military for decades, You STUPID BITCH! 
 Oh Yeah I'm a FUCKING TERRORIST! What a Wonderful US Citizen 
you are sweetie!
Thanking US Soldiers for what they are about to take on I dont 
see the harm in! 
If you could actually READ the posts maybe you would understand 
what a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN  has veiws and opinions of! I dont
see you thanking anyone for anything to defend your mentally 
challenged ass! You need to read your own material, no grade 
fuckin bitch! I am commending the Soldiers that protect your 
ugly fucking ass so now I'm a Terrorist! WOW! How long did it 
take you to come up with that one? You need to get out of Head 
Start and join a real school little girl! Is that your only 
recourse calling someone names just because you cant think of 
anything else to say because you know NOTHING? When someone 
doesnt agree with you? You do nothing I see but Whine and Bitch 
about EVERYTHING! I was having a decent conversation with 
someone, till you piped up your stupid fucking ass up! You 
deffinately need to find out the history before you comment, 
because your comments make no more sense than your ass does! 
Your a perfect example of why terrorists want to attack us you 
Jackass! I have no tolerance for  MORONS! Which you are now 
seeming to be! You have drifted way away from the point (not 
that you could find one if it hit you in the face), If you 
actually have US Military in your family you should be proud of 
them instead of downgrading them! That's exactly what the 
terrorists want to see stupidass! Maybe you are really a 
terrorist! Since of course you werent Naturaly Born Here!
Like I said If you dont like what I have to say in my posts!!!!
DONT FUCKING READ THEM!!! God your such a Fucking Moron! And a 
discrace to your own family too!

From: Marie
To: Helana
Subject: Lmao
Date: Mon Oct 14 01:52:06 2002

Message:
Oh Please come munch on my carpet baby! Lmmfao

From: dairy queen
To: om/cf
Date: Mon Oct 14 02:41:56 2002

Message:
I think that they might be connected to abu sayyaf but that is 
not certain yet. As far as i know the only death cultic group 
there is the abu sayyaf. I don't put my hands in fire for the 
other groups but the more i get to know them the less they 
seem to be involved. let's not forget that the muslims in the 
phils are victims and not mass murderes except for the few 
who are member of the abu sayyaf group.

I don't agree with the last statement which looked like a 
1+1=2  Other cultures and nations were just as well 
responsible for mass killings.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Helena
Date: Mon Oct 14 03:49:58 2002

Message:
I used to call myself Dairy King but the points i made on this 
board raised a lot of reactions from people. They expressed 
themselves by tryiing to insult me. Fortunately they did that 
very weakly by calling me queen instead of king.

Often it is better to bend than to break and i didn't want to let 
something as childish as a nickname lead the discussion 
from the main subject. So now i am Queen and i'm proud of 
it.


From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Mon Oct 14 03:57:00 2002

Message:
Many people are angry like you. I would take you more 
serious if you would keep your temper down. It also makes 
it easier to read your messages which could prevent 
misunderstandings.  And be honest. Reacting on a point i 
make by acusing me of going to prostitutes is pretty weak 
and childish.

I thought that Chicosen and you were becomming good 
friends. Maybe you could be if the f words stayed at bay.


From: Dairy Queen
To: swtcreamygirl
Date: Mon Oct 14 04:03:08 2002

Message:
Your knowledge of history is prabobly comming from 
Independance day and what daddy told you to get you to 
sleep. 

If you want to you can go into discussion with me. I chalenge 
you.

From: Chicozen
To: MARIE + Helena + DQ
Date: Mon Oct 14 05:30:21 2002

Message:
Marie, try getting your own form of writing, arguing, and 
insulting and not copy word for word from my post, try to be 
original.  The only thing that you have brough forward is 
racism + sexism, but whatever..you prove my point  by acting 
the way you do...so lets get this straighten out.
By all means, I am very sarcastic...I call DQ all sorts of 
funny stuff and yes I make stereotypes of Holland, but only 
after I knew that DQ and I really mean no harm to each (even 
with the nuke joke and all) but only has Marie actually been 
able  to really upset me...WHY?
I honestly feel like her ignorance is detremental to the post 9-
11 America.  I love this country more than anything, LOVE that 
is felt sincerly...By the way NATURAL citizenship guarentess 
nothing (EX . mitlia groups)  Part of my arguing with DQ all 
this time has dealt with my belief that he does not understand 
because he does not live here as to why I SUPPORT US MILITARY 
ACTION agaisnt terrorism, despite his good intentions of 
wanting peace and safety for all people throughout the world.  
He has that right to feel and think like that.  And his long 
ass examples felt short of conviencing me that there was a 
better alternative, not because I am  all mighty, but because I 
am a New Yorker who has been deeply affected by 9-11.  My 
opinions are based on the fact that I have been so close to 
this tragedy and I cannot lend my support to anything or anyone 
who does not beleive that we must protect ourselves at all 
cost.  
It is out of my love for this country that I try to be honest 
and sincere about the things that we do wrong, only because in 
the acknowlegement of our wrongs can we really move forward.  
Marie if you want want to be an ignorant person, by all means, 
you are only hurting the country you supposely love by giving 
people that hate this country anmunition to hate us even more 
and further their cause.  Beyond ignorance, you are an 
elitist.  Your support is solely based on the fact that you are 
natuarally from here and nothing else.  I in the other hand 
support this country because I am witness all the beutiful 
things that this country has to offer.  
I have argued with DQ that yes the US goverment has had awful 
policies and committed all sorts of crimes throught the history 
of this country.  That is not a secrect, our own goverment has 
told us of the many fucked up things we have done.  But my 
point is WHAT GOVERMENT HAS NOT.  Why do we get stuck with the 
responsibility of not doing the right thing WHEN the goverments 
of other countries are in the head start of screwing their own 
people.  WHat army in this world HAS NOT committed crimes 
agaisnt humanity?  You won't find one because they do not 
exist.  
All I argued is for the here and now, that is all I can argued 
for.  
I love how you make all sorts of assumptions of who I am, my 
gender, my nationality.  Just because I was not born in US soil 
does not mean anything.  It is clear to me that you know 
nothing about military families, but I knew that the moment you 
open your mouth.

From: DQ
To: Chicosen
Date: Mon Oct 14 06:23:48 2002

Message:
i know that armies from all nations commit crimes. the 
reason that my words are pointed at the us is because that 
nation is now most noticable for me in it's activities and 
therfor most frustrating. five years ago it was china

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Mon Oct 14 06:40:32 2002

Message:
I'm not trying to avoid answering a question. I seriously 
didn't understand something Chicosen said. But of course 
you take that line to attack simply because you have nothing 
better on your hands to do so. 

Make a point which argues with my opinion and i'll try to 
answer it. And if i can't. Than i admit that i never saw it that 
way before. There is no shame in it for me because i don't 
know you and i never cursed like you.

Something else. You also mentioned that my people were 
not thrown in a pit buy nazi motherfuckers. And that you are 
not supposed to get a thank you for that.

Learn your history better lady. Holland was liberated by a 
pack of allied countries. One of them American. Your country 
was also threatened so i suppose that Holland won't get a 
thank you for the attacks on the Japanese in the Pacific.

But the thank you to the Americans who did die or get hurt 
goes out to them and not to you. You weren't even born yet.

From: JUST STUMBLED IN
To: ALL
Subject: AMERICANS FIGHTING IS NOT RIGHT
Date: Mon Oct 14 08:27:50 2002

Message:
I DONT THINK ANY OF YOU ARE READING EACH OTHERS POSTS CORRECTLY
I DO SEE THAT HOWEVER SCROLLING SIDEWAYS DOES TEND TO HURT THE 
EYE THAT MARIE HAD A VALID POINT SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
SHE SEEMS TO BE A VERY STERN AND STRONG AMERICAN, AND SHE SEEMS 
HERSELF TO HAVE SOME FORM OF MILITARY BACKGROUND. BUT THIS IS 
AN OPEN BOARD IS IT NOT? WHY SHOULD SHE BE TOLD TO SHUT UP?
JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE HOW PROUD SHE IS OF HER COUNTRY?
I DONT THINK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD SHOULD BE TOLD TO SHUT UP
JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS. AND FIGHTING
AND NAME CALLING MAKES YOU ALL LOOK BAD. AND THE TERRORISTS 
ARE PROBABLY WATCHING AND LAUGHING AT YOU ALL. YOU DO NOT
SEE THEY ARE TRYING TO DIVIDE YOU. AND CHICOZEN MAYBE IM WRONG 
BUT MARIE DID SEEM TO HAVE A CONVERSATION GOING AND YOU JUMPED
IN AND STARTED THE NAME CALLING. EITHER WAY THIS FIGHTING HAS 
GOT TO STOP. AND READING ALL THIS FROM THE TOP ON DOWN
WHICH WASNT EASY, I DO BELIEVE DAIRY KING DID START OUT WITH
HOLDING OUR COUNTRY RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF FILIPINOS,AND SEEMS
TO HAVE BROUGHT ON THE ARGUEMENT HE WAS HAVING WITH MARIE.
NOW MAYBE IM WRONG BUT I DO THINK EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR
OWN OPINIONS AND EXPRESS THEM ON THIS BOARD OR SOME OF
THE OTHER BOARDS, MY POINT IS THIS IS AMERICA IS IT NOT?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOESNT EXIST ANYMORE? YOU ARE ALL ACTING
LIKE CHILDREN. AND IT NEEDS TO STOP.


                   GOD BLESS AMERICA

From: A Brittish soldier
To: Marie
Date: Mon Oct 14 08:56:51 2002

Message:
Thank you for your kind words. I thought everyone was just proud
of the american soldiers fighting this war on terror. I am
one of coalition of them on leave for the moment. But thank you 
for thanking us also. It broke our hearts to see your country
attacked, I see you have been through 2 now by reading you were
in Oklahoma City on the tragic day of that bombing also. I 
understand you and why you are so mad. I dont blame you
but we will stand with you and so help me we will not let
terrorism stand either. I just wanted tothank you. Trying
to do all we can to help.

From: Chicozen
To: JUST STUMBLED IN
Date: Mon Oct 14 14:35:35 2002

Message:
I can tell you to SHUT UP, does that not allowing you to speak 
your mind?  How does that impede you from speaking, it 
doesn't.  Unless I do something to your fingers so you won't be 
able to type, its not UN-American.  Telling Marie to shut up 
was a way of me telling her that IN MY EYES she was hurting her 
AMERICANess.  The argument with her is between two Americans 
who see love their country but choose to see its history and 
future very diffrently.  I don't think that being an elitist 
furthest our cause, it isolates us from the rest of the 
world...something that will make terrorrist very happy.  
BY being a realist does not mean I am not proud of my country 
of its military...when I have been arguing all along for its 
support agaisnt terrorism!!1  I am kind of glad you stumles in 
beacuse its good to get a fresh and honest perspective, 
sometimes arguing in this board we tend to get tunnel vision.  

From: Dairy Queen
To: just stumbled in
Date: Mon Oct 14 16:38:06 2002

Message:
I admire you for reading all these things. Some of them very 
negative.

Of course i respond. I must admit that i am childish on this 
part but the first thing i said on this board, in which i hold 
America responsible for the death of 1.4 milion Filipino's, was 
not directed to Marie but to someone else.
She reacted on it. 

That is my side of the he started she started. 

Freedom of speech is not typical for just your country stumbled 
in. That's why i give myself the privelege to say this.

I like the fact that you come up for the basic rights anyone has.

As a not American(full of critisism toward your nation) i'll end 
these words like this:

God bless the world, including Iraq and America 

From:
To: gay boys
Date: Mon Oct 14 18:13:17 2002

Message:
my opinion is that all of you are gay.

From: Helena the Bipolar Counselor
To: Everyone
Subject: alot of them
Date: Mon Oct 14 18:24:52 2002

Message:
Chicozen why do you keep pissing off Marie?  You two obviously 
will never agree so why dont you just give it  up!
-------------------------------------------------------------
DQ -- how's your girlfreind doing?  Im kinda in your boat man. I 
am enjoying reading all this, sometimes its funny, other times 
its childish. But we all act childish sometimes, like you 
admitted and I will admit it too.(i am not really a carpet 
muncher, but dont tell Chicozen) But when others bring down 
America its People like Marie who have to defend us.  Give her a 
round of Applause!! haha  She is so set on her words, so I 
woulndt even try to change her mind about anything!  Plus if I 
tried she would probably "cuss" me out. haha You go Marie! 
--------------------------------------------------------------
Just stumbled in -- how are you today? You seem like a guy who 
dont want no trouble. Good for you on telling Chicozen how it is.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Marie -- last not but least.. lol.. only you and DQ know this 
ok? I am not a carpet muncher.. Sorry. But you keep speaking 
your mind cuz i like to read it. 
--------------------------------------------------------------
ya'll (that means "you all" where i come from) need to slow down 
becasue i am getting behind on this message board lol. 

Have a good day all.. Yes, even you Chicozen. hahahahaha

--still waiting on the guy with the missile--

From: Helena
To: Everyone again
Subject: my font
Date: Mon Oct 14 18:53:57 2002

Message:
can "ya'll" read the orange stuff?

From: om/cf
To: British Soldier
Date: Mon Oct 14 21:23:10 2002

Message:
I don't want get into a "thank you" - NO, "thank YOU" skit but 
you can damn well be sure your efforts are appreciated by 
Americans. Good on you! And the Canadians, and the Aussies who 
just suffered a tremendous loss at the hands of these Islamic 
zombie devils. We all need to stay focused - as the recent rash 
of al-Queda attacks bears witness, the job is far from done. The 
worst may be yet to come. Any countries on board I failed to 
mention - thanks as well.

OH what the hell, thanks to the Dutch Mr. DQ. Half-assed support 
against terrorism is better than none at all - I guess.


From: Helena
To: the last guy i forgot his name
Subject: comment
Date: Mon Oct 14 22:29:21 2002

Message:
what???? dude, you lost me at hello. haha

From: Marie
To: British Soldier
Date: Tue Oct 15 00:13:33 2002

Message:
You are so very welcome! With all you at our side during this 
time of the most tremendous reality we have to face, I feel alot 
safer knowing you are there. In the upcoming events that will 
probably change the course of history forever, BE SAFE! 
and GODSPEED!

From: Chicozen
To:
Date: Tue Oct 15 06:12:29 2002

Message:
What happend in Bali makes me so sick...after 9-11 I made 
comments that perhaps Bali was the safest place on earth 
beacuse of its well known reputation among new age thinkers who 
appreaciate bali's spitiual and peaceful culture...honestly, I 
am so sadden by this.  I really don't understand how ANYBODY 
can justified murder to any "religion".  I really wonder how 
much Islam is to blame here?  Or is a twisted version of 
something else.  It is well documented that many terrible 
things have been done in the name of religion, but in 2002??? I 
really hope that these present conflicts make people reflect on 
what they believe and support.  I cannot call myself a Catholic 
or a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim...they are all tainted 
with hatred and blood.  I know that its small groups among 
these religions that cause harm, but really, why are we letting 
a minority prevail??? I honestly pray for the  day  when none 
of those religions exist, beacuse they have proven over and 
over again that they cannot co-exist.

From: Dairy Queen
To:
Date: Tue Oct 15 06:38:33 2002

Message:
The first time that i don't have anything to say so i'll shut up 
today

From: Helena
To: DQ
Subject: No
Date: Tue Oct 15 13:43:07 2002

Message:
C'mon DQ, you gotta say something!  IF you dont then that means 
I have to! LOL 

From: DQ
To:
Date: Tue Oct 15 16:59:29 2002

Message:
Kaunlaran vrede la pais. peace for all and stuff

greetings from Europe

From: Helena
To: All
Date: Wed Oct 16 09:55:47 2002

Message:
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!  What a beautiful American morning it is! 
Keep your heads up cuz you never know what might fall from the 
sky. Everyone have a great day -- Helena

From: Marie
To: DQ
Subject: !
Date: Wed Oct 16 13:21:02 2002

Message:
It's about time! Just Kidding!

From: Marie
To: Helana
Date: Wed Oct 16 13:23:48 2002

Message:
Good AMERICAN  morning to you too! :-)

From: Marie
To: The Beltway or whatever cowdly name they are giving you now!
Subject: Beware!
Date: Wed Oct 16 13:25:53 2002

Message:
You are a Coward and a Terrorist! And you will die like the 
rest!

From: Marie
To: A British Soldier
Date: Wed Oct 16 13:56:26 2002

Message:
I should have said, and want to add...THANK YOU!!!!
And the rest of the Coalition Soldiers Too!!!

From: DQ
To: Who's interested
Date: Wed Oct 16 15:30:06 2002

Message:
First time that there is no fighting. Wow i'm impressed

From: Chicosen
To: DQ
Date: Wed Oct 16 16:10:46 2002

Message:
That's cause I silenced all of you! ;)

From: Helena
To: ALL Ya'll
Subject: LMMFAO
Date: Wed Oct 16 17:36:36 2002

Message:
Dream on you wanna be American.  OOh did i just start something?

From:
To: helena
Date: Wed Oct 16 22:09:23 2002

Message:
Whats that helena? Did you just say your gay? 

From: spanked nsaughty girl
To: chicosen
Date: Thu Oct 17 00:28:19 2002

Message:
shut up bitch! ;)             
       

From:
To:
Date: Thu Oct 17 00:25:24 2002

Message:
Well not gay, per say. Lets just say I bat from either side of 
th plate......

From: chicozen
To: spanked nsaughty girl
Date: Thu Oct 17 06:12:23 2002

Message:
Wow, an unprovoked insult...I think you like me.  :)

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Thu Oct 17 06:14:43 2002

Message:
Wow, you are witty...funny too.  I think you like me too! ;)

From:
To: Chicozen
Date: Thu Oct 17 10:56:20 2002

Message:
Do you have some meat for my taco, poco?

From: the REAL Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: what
Date: Thu Oct 17 14:18:18 2002

Message:
To my imposter -- I am strictly dickly! I cant help if it you 
guys want to pretend your me and put words in my mouth.  
haahahahahahahah  you guys are too cool.  but anyway, i wanna 
give a high five to the spanked naughty girl.. (does that make 
me gay?) RIP HER FUCKING HEAD OFF! cuz im just too nice to do it 
myself. =) Bye for now my friends! OH YEAH go ahead and keep 
using orange print. I like it when others wanna be like me.

From: Marie
To: Chic
Subject: Ha! You wish
Date: Fri Oct 18 02:11:53 2002

Message:
I think your patting yourself on the back to quickly! Some of us 
want to be good Little Americans and not give the terrorists 
what they want! And dont like to encourage MORONS, nor add to 
their seemingly unfullfilled lives by fighting! Besides you make 
a pretty good ass of yourself on your own! Silenced Ha! Get real!

From: Chicozen
To: Helena real or fake, spanked naughty girl, Marie
Date: Fri Oct 18 15:17:30 2002

Message:
Helena what is your problem?  You have not said anything to 
this board that puts us in opposite sides?  Besides the stupid 
small talk that you make, what do you have to contribute???? 
And what is your problem with me??? 

"Spanked naughty girl" as if I could ever expect anything 
intellectual from you, except, "harder, harder please!" Get 
real...

And Marie, you think I made an ass out of myself, how?? Did you 
read you last real long post, (you must of had your period or 
something), read it again and tell me how YOU can ever respect 
anything like that.  That is why I kind of miss DQ, despite our 
views, they were real and honest and yes they were about 9/11...
Marie, if people think that your views are somewhat patriotic, 
they are, but have you ever heard a KKK speak, you might find 
eerie similarity to them.  To say "go U.S.A" means nothing 
(have you ever seen Rocky?): supporting our country goes beyond 
being a cheerleader, it includes  being well aware of who we 
are, how we got here, and have some idea as to where we like to 
go.  Opinions must be different, that is what makes it great, 
but please don't be ignorant.  Does anybody think that 
terrorist are stupid people...they have proven (much to our 
sadness) that they are not stupid, but they are ignorant and 
elitist...and look what these people have become...monsters.  
It that what you want to be Marie? I don't think so.  What I do 
respect from you is that at least you have oponions and you do 
fight hard for them, great!  But please see what I am trying to 
tell you beacuse it is not meant as a put down.  

From: Chicozen
To:
Subject: CNN REPORT
Date: Fri Oct 18 15:43:10 2002

Message:
THIS is what we should be concern with...

"  The domestic "threat environment" is as bad as it was in the 
summer of 2001, before the September 11 attacks, Tenet said. 

"When you see the multiple attacks that you have seen occur 
around the world, from Bali to Kuwait; the number of failed 
attacks that have been attempted; [and] the various messages 
that have been issued by senior al Qaeda leaders, you must make 
the assumption that al Qaeda is in an execution phase and 
intends to strike us here and overseas," he told the Joint 
Intelligence Committee. "That's unambiguous, as far as I am 
concerned." 

Tenet's testimony came as attacks believed tied to al Qaeda or 
affiliated terror groups have escalated. "


From: Chicozen
To:
Subject: IRAQ OR NOT IRAQ?
Date: Fri Oct 18 15:50:27 2002

Message:
" WASHINGTON   Intelligence officials suspect that Russia, 
Pakistan and China are suppliers of equipment North Korea has 
used to develop its nuclear weapons program, an allegation 
Moscow and Islamabad quickly denied Friday. "


The US goverment knew of N. Korea's nuclear program back in the 
summer...why would they not deal with N. Korea in the same way 
they are dealing with Iraq???? Come people, let us not fool 
ourselves...there is something else ( and I don't what it is) 
as to why this goverment wants Iraq so bad.  Don't tell me N. 
Korea is not an aggresor (just ask the S. Korean's), don't tell 
me they do not support groups with Anti-American intrest, they 
very much do...And my last point, can any of Iraq's "weapons of 
mass destruction reach the US???" I'm not sure, but i really 
believe that the threat is regional not global unlike the 
Russians.  SO what is this really about????  I think that we 
should be using our resources for Osama and AL-Queda.

From: Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: You
Date: Fri Oct 18 22:02:42 2002

Message:
Ahhhh -- Shut up and quitcher cryin.  I make small talk. 
Because you know what? I dont care about anything thats going on 
in any freaking country.  I just live here. Im not in the 
military, dont care what those people do in there and if theres 
war, well then, what the fuck can i do about it? Nothing. So I 
just sit here and make small talk.  I cant fight for us or 
anybody else. I have to sit here and watch everything happen.  
So why not have fun doing it? haha I dont care what kind of 
opinions YOU have either.  You can call me what you want, talk 
shit about me or what i write about, try to piss me off... do 
whatever but it dont make a shit to me. You are just words on a 
computer screen and nothing more..  so to answer your lil 
question, my problem with you is nothing. Why would i have a 
problem?  YOU must be the one with the problem.. if so.. get 
counseling.. get prozac. But im just fine and dandy.  Talk to 
you all soon!  The one and only Helena -- woohoooooooo

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Sat Oct 19 05:15:44 2002

Message:
Good, no problem...by the way...YOU ARE PATHEIC...have a nice 
day!

From: Dairy Queen
To: Helena
Date: Sat Oct 19 07:51:15 2002

Message:
If you see it that way than what is your point in discussing?

From: Marie
To: Chic
Subject: Sometimes I wonder about you!
Date: Sat Oct 19 09:18:31 2002

Message:
Look Dearie, I was waiting for someone to have a discussion
with, an Intelligent discussion! But to claim yourself as the 
one who silences everyone as if you are so special, I couldnt 
resist! I do not say Go USA over every little thing, I think you 
have me confused with someone else! That's what I mean about not 
reading posts correctly! And no I dont pay attention to the 
Drivel out of the KKK, or any racist factor in this country, 
except for the terrorists who seem to be prejudice against about 
everybody that is AMERICAN it looks like! And if you dont want 
anyone to think you are putting them down, then dont act so damn
stupid! (Not ment to be an insult)....So Ah What's your take
on the North Korean's Having Nukes now? I personnely feel they 
are trying to drag us into a war with China! And that my dear
is NOT going to be a sweet thing! Do you not find it piculiar
that we seem to have our Military spread all over the place?
As if it is sort of like that saying "While the Cats away the
Mouse will play"!? I think we have a much bigger problem than
some of this crap going on in these other countries we have 
to police now! I feel bad for the people of Indonesia, the 
Philipines, and Yemen! But I think we may have to check back with
them later..Because we may have even a bigger Crisis going here 
than Iraq! Or maybe we are being lead to beleive we need to be
in all different directions! Not by our government Persae, by our
Intelligance! And/or/ the leaders of other Nations! Asking for
our help is one thing, but putting us all over the globe while 
their is (Possibly) someone staring at us with a Nuke is NOW
a whole different ballgame! Let me know how you feel about
that, if you are ready to stop being the Poster Child for 
Pampers! And good Lord, learn to take a joke! Your not the only
one who can get sarcastic!

From: Marie
To: Chic
Subject: !
Date: Sat Oct 19 09:56:44 2002

Message:
I didnt get a chance to read your other posts, I'm sure they 
were very dramatic, I may get to them later. I dont have the 
luxury to reside on this board 24/7 I work! Which I will be
late for if I dont get to going! Ta Ta have a nice day!

From: Dairy Queen
To: Marie
Date: Sat Oct 19 10:14:41 2002

Message:
The bombing attacks in the Philippines have increased since the 
intervention of the US. Did you hear about the shopping mall in 
a place called Zamboanga City? That was where is shopped and 
people i met there who were working in the checking out might be 
dead.

I know terrorism to.

From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Sat Oct 19 13:02:08 2002

Message:
I just don't see the sarcasm in your comments?  You don't have 
the witty attitude and the sharpness to make your sarcasm any 
good...but whatever you make your point and I just to have live 
with the fact that there are millions of people just like you 
and think the same way.  I read your post and it doesn't make 
much sense except to fact that you think that this US goverment 
is all knowing, all good.  How can I argue that such a 
statement except by saying..."Do you watch the news, read the 
newspapers, taken history 101, and US history?????"   That is 
is the diffrence of our views.  
By the way, there has been a little known secret thoughout 
history in many diffrent regions of the world...War often 
serves as a distraction away from faced on the home front: the 
economy.  I'm afraid that 9-11 is often used as a leverge to do 
do "whatever" they want to do...even to push personal and non 
relative agendas of those in power.  
Al-quaeda and its branches should be our prority...that means 
that we are involved in an INTERNATIONAL affair.  WE should be 
targeting N. Korea, China, Russia, yemen, and anybody else with 
the same level of intensity.  Alot of this countries are not 
what they appear to be (and we know it) yet we refuse to treat 
them like Saddam.  That is what bothers me about Iraq, not they 
we should be aggresive with that regime, is just that we do not 
equally.  I think that will really hurt the American People in 
the long run.

From: Chicozen
To: DQ
Date: Sat Oct 19 13:21:35 2002

Message:
I sorry about your situation...we are all living though a very 
difficult time.  I'm wondering if it changes your prespective 
just a bit when it hits that personal?? I hope things resolved 
in the favor of your friends.

From: Marie
To: DQ
Date: Sat Oct 19 17:30:52 2002

Message:
Yes I know there have been several incodents of terrorism in
the Philipines since we were ASKED to go help rid that country 
of those terrorist bastards! And I suppose we will stay on (At 
the request of the President Arroyo? Is it?) And do as much as 
we can to train the Military there to deal with such Bastards as
them! Hopefully some day they will be able to fight those 
terrorist FUCKS! On their own. (Oops I know you dont like 
cussing!!!!) But there are NO other words to describe them! If 
you know of any 
other words let me know! Enlighten me PLEASE!!!! On what other 
words there are to describe them! And I feel really bad that
those terrorist bastards have been able to do their dirty work 
again! There are going to be more escalating events in these
countries where we have been asked to go in to. Because the
terrorists dont want to be stopped! Like a child doing something
they know they shoudnt be doing, then getting caught and given a 
spanking! 
I know you know terrorism too! You have told me that before!
Now I guess we are all in the same boat. But would you wrather
see your people (or freinds) Sink? Or Swim? I prefer to see the 
Philipino people swim! Maybe with the joining of forces, 
HOPEFULLY we can make damn good and sure WE ALL SWIM! I am
very sad if you lost any freinds or relatives there! And that 
is Sincere for real! I sure hope you feel the same way about
us AMERICAN people who have lost freinds and loved ones here 
also! Like that ANIMAL who is picking off people (going about 
their daily lives) That Sniper/Sharpshooter/Whatever you
call him/or/them. Be it some Lone Lunatic or Al Queida related.
It's still terrorism!
 While I was at work today, I deal with the public, that was the 
topic of conversation for the day, but 1
person in particular (who has alot of Military background)
(By the way do to who used to run this message board and the 
fact that terrorist eyes watch) I will not mention alot of 
things about myself and then become a target, they have 
confidence we will handle Our Country, Successfully and deal 
with all these other countries that have asked for our help
also! And as far as they are concerned WE ARE ALL OVER THEM (The 
terrorists) And we can handle anything thrown at us! Or at them
and not to worry we WILL DEFEAT TERRORISM, be it here or in 
another country! It's going to take a while! But we are getting 
more support by the HOUR! So dont worry we along with HUNDREDS 
of other countries, WILL PUT THEM DOWN!
God it was so nice to hear a Positive attitude for a change!
God Bless!

From: j
To: everyone
Subject: love and respect
Date: Sat Oct 19 20:00:37 2002

Message:
this is a serious problem and this not to make a jooke of it is 
serious ans we all should take this serious no matter what god 
we have we are all concted in one

From: Pathetic (lol) Helena
To: DQ and Chimpkozen, Marie
Subject: Me
Date: Sat Oct 19 22:59:19 2002

Message:
DQ -- I dont discuss.  I just make small talk. One of the cons 
of a message board.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Chimpkozen -- Thank you so much for giving me another title. =)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Marie -- about those posts that you havent got to yet.... dont 
waste your time. you didnt miss anything. SO get to work before 
youre late! LOL

From: Marie
To: Chic
Subject: Hmmmm
Date: Sun Oct 20 13:54:01 2002

Message:
Well then what are we arguing for? You have neither the witty
attitude, the sharpness, nor the clarity I might add to make 
your sarcasm anything good either! Nonsence maybe good Nah! You 
give it a good shot though :-) But replying with negative 
remarks makes me think maybe your not as smart as I thought you 
might have been. At least I dont get my news by sitting around
watching soap operas and waiting for "Late Breaking News" Us 
Natural Born AMERICANS have had History all our lives! Anybody 
with any intelligance of course read the papers and watch the 
news. Anyway at least we agree on one
thing Al Quaeda is a top priority, but Those other countries
that have Nukes and Chemical weapons of Mass Destruction, that
may be able to launch them our way are just a bit more than a 
TOP Priority! And PLEASE be serious, if Saddam had nothing to
hide, he would have let the UN weapons inspectors back in years 
ago to prove he didnt. As good as those folks are at digging 
caves
I'd say 4 years is alot of time to hide a whole lot of timebombs!
One week he says "Come Look And See" then the next week he 
changes his mind. Oh and then he holds some phony election 
(Naturally with no opponent)and then Electes himself President!
Now that was almost hysterical! Every time I see him on TV I 
think of what a complete idiot he is! It's a little dificult for 
our President to concentrate on our Nations economy or anything 
else for that matter. WHEN WE ARE AT WAR! But I bet Bush can 
walk and chew gum at the same time! That's where we come in! The 
AMERICAN people have to help with our economy this time! Like 
Working, spending money, buying homes,
cars, investing, get back to Flying, etc..It's not just our 
Military at War this time it's the AMERICAN people too. We
have to help look out for "The bad guys" too! But I refuse to 
believe protecting us from never letting another 1941, 1993, 
4-19-95, or 9-11-2001 ever happen again is some form of a 
personnel agenda to go after anyone he wishes. But If it takes 
going from Country to Country to rid the world (Which of course 
is an INTERNATIONAL Problem)of these MANIACS then that's what we 
are going to have to do. Oh yeah there is also a well known fact
known throughout the WORLD that Saddam has terrorist ties to Al 
Queada! And I do believe all those countries you mentioned are 
going to meet the same aggression as Saddam is going to get in 
time! Like Our President said "Your either with us or with the
terrorists"! (And I sure see alot of countries hopping on board 
because they are sick of this shit too!). I for one am going to 
back our President and do
my part however small it may be to help our economy, get rid of 
those terrorist bastards, or whatever needs to be done to live 
the FREE life that Millions of AMERICAN SOLDIERS have died to
give us! I dont want to see another 9-11! Do You?


              GOD BLESS AMERICA

              GOD BLESS OUR COALITION SOLDIERS TOO

From: The Shocked Helena
To: Marie
Subject: you
Date: Sun Oct 20 16:26:22 2002

Message:
WOW... I'm speechless! Except for one comment.....


                      AMEN


      

From: om/cf
To: Marie
Date: Sun Oct 20 20:01:28 2002

Message:
WOW, when you vent, you REALLY vent!! 110% and leave it all on 
the field! I agree, but like to keep a suspicious eye on the fat 
cats in our own goverment as well. 

From: Chicozen
To: Marie
Date: Mon Oct 21 04:21:41 2002

Message:
DQ, maybe I have been wrong all this time...while I supported 
Marie's point )very agrresively) all this time, I do not find 
myself with the gun-ho aopraoach.  Do I think we should go 
after Saddam.  FUCK YEAH! no doubt bout it...bue I dn't likr to 
br ignorant about thid, something doesot fit...all I can say is 
that I pray that we do the riht thing...foe the future 
generations.

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: Oh Definately
Date: Mon Oct 21 09:57:44 2002

Message:
Of course GOD yes keep those eyes on our government look what 
went down in their with our last leader! BuT I do think Clinton 
did alot of good also, but he said on a News Station out here
"The Saddest thing about my Presidency was that I was handed Bin
Laden and didnt take him")I dont mean to carry on like we are 
totally perfect! I know we are not! BUT I betcha we are about as 
close as it gets! :-)

                     Have a nice day,

                      God Bless 

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: Oh Definateley
Date: Mon Oct 21 10:05:07 2002

Message:
Of course GOD yes keep those eyes on our government look what 
went down in their with our last leader! BuT I do think Clinton 
did alot of good also, but he said on a News Station out here
"The Saddest thing about my Presidency was that I was handed Bin
Laden and didnt take him")I dont mean to carry on like we are 
totally perfect! I know we are not! BUT I betcha we are about as 
close as it gets! :-)

                     Have a nice day,

                      God Bless 

From: om/cf
To: Marie
Date: Mon Oct 21 23:15:15 2002

Message:
Clinton did have the economy (and country) running smoothly but 
as you, or rather he admits, failed miserably to grasp the 
murderous intentions of these Islamic terrorist groups. He was 
well informed about this. My biggest complaint with Clinton was 
the never-ending scandels and the effect of the president more-
or-less bald-faced lying to every American's face via national 
tv. The least I expect in the leader of America is someone that 
can be respected as a person. Water under the bridge I guess. I 
voted for Clinton his first term. Voted for Ross Perot (HA!) the 
second time. I did vote for Bush, and am still glad I did in the 
wake of what has happened since. I wonder if Gore would have 
been still trying to engage bin Laden into peace talks in Paris 
at this point! It still cracks me up how Bush and Gore fought 
tooth and nail for two months to be president, absolutly the 
most amazing thing I've ever seen! The economy runs in cycles 
anyway and was due for a downturn...then Sept. 11, 2001. Crash! 

I often wonder if Gore is not actually happy at the results in 
hindsight, and hopes Bush sorts out the terrorists before the 
2004 election. Who knows...

AMERICA ROCKS!

Count your blessings every day fellow Americans! We DO have it 
good, and should not take it for granted - write a letter today 
to a U.S. soldier and express your gratitude. Any of the Armed 
Forces websites have a "mailbox" to our soldiers, and you would 
not believe what a heart-felt message from the U.S. can do for 
these young peoples morale. 

Stepping off the soap box now......LOL!

From: Touched Helena
To: om/cf
Subject: your post
Date: Mon Oct 21 23:22:10 2002

Message:
THAT was good.  I'm touched... (for real)

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Subject: So True!
Date: Tue Oct 22 10:06:53 2002

Message:
Yeah that bald face lying was just unacceptable! oh Lord I'm 
almost afraid of what would still be happening if Gore was in 
office! That "Lets Discuss This" Attitude. I would prefer a 
pissed off Texan lol, I truly dont think he could have handled 
this and am so glad Bush picked one Hell of a team. I never saw 
anything like that election either! Makes you almost want to do 
away with thee electoral college!
Awwwwwwwwwwwww HELL YEAH I'm going to write to a SOLDIER as soon 
as I get off work! That was very touching! You are so right
they need as much boost as they can get! To think what our Older 
soldiers went through (Without all the High Tech Weaponry we 
have now) They must have been some tough SOB's!
HaHa off the soapbox...Ok till next time God Bless!

                         AMERICA ROCKS!

                     GOD BLESS AMERICA

         GOD BLESS OUR COALITION SOLDIERS TOO!

From: Helena
To: everyone
Subject: voting
Date: Tue Oct 22 19:14:58 2002

Message:
I never voted. maybe if i had voted they wouldnt have been tied. 
lol

From: om/cf
To: Helena
Date: Tue Oct 22 23:28:32 2002

Message:
You've never voted, or just not the last presidential fiasco? 
Get out and vote! If we don't use it, we may lose it! Granted, 
its usually a choice of who we don't like the least and often 
the local things on the ballot end up being "eni-mene-mini-mo" 
but still....its better than a Iraqi election with Saddam as the 
only canidate and amazingly enough getting 100% of the vote. No 
dangling chads in Iraq!

From: DQ (Dairy Queen)
To: Who is interested
Date: Wed Oct 23 08:00:49 2002

Message:
As for me the first time that i felt personally hit by terrorism 
was in May 2000, before the september 11 attacks when a 
bomb exploded in Zamboanga City. Now, two and a half 
years later five bombs have exploded in that city and some 
more in Manila.

that is also a reason why the writings on my side were 
sometimes sharp.

As some of you know  to my opinion the intervention of the 
US there made things worse and is actually based on ...... 
bla bla. you allready know what i think

My personal opinion is not that important. I lack the full 
knowledge to know what is going on. Neither do the other 
people who write on this message board. And many others 
who are much more powerfull than us. but that is the point 
of this board or at least became it. Ordinary people from two 
total oposite sides(to name it generally patriot american and 
furious at america) are giving opinions.

But inspite of our childishness we did mannage to speak 
about it. I'm doing this for a month now but no bullet has 
gone through my window and no rocked has pulvered my 
town.

Not only because we don't have the power but also because 
we lack the stupidity to attack each other we are all still 
sitting in a chair in front of the screen unharmed.

That is putting even us a step ahead from people, and i'm 
not calling names who are no on the edge of involving us all 
in an apocalyps.

The last weeks i hve noticed that even sharp teethed people 
like me om/cf, chicosen, helena and marie are able to 
speak and relativate.


From:
To:
Date: Wed Oct 23 09:18:48 2002

Message:
The owner of this site is the sick fucker who likes anal sex and 
is u know who, shit ball and so on. He makes up fake names and 
slanders America just to keep people posting on this site.
                  >>>>> >sad looser< <<<<<

From:
To:
Date: Wed Oct 23 15:07:50 2002

Message:
This site is run by a faggot. one that talks to himself and 
plays with himself on porn sites. He makes up fake post about 
America to get response and then flames people. What a lonley 
faggot

From: Helena
To: sad loser, everyone else too i guess
Subject: *sigh*
Date: Wed Oct 23 16:32:32 2002

Message:
Umm.. maybe, maybe not.  But even if your right, its still 
interesting to see what everyone else says.
--------------------------------------------------------------
By the way, I talked to a soldier on the phone yesterday 
afternoon.  He wasnt very pleased.  I feel bad for him. But I 
still think he did the right thing.  He will be proud when his 
work is done.  And I will pat him on the back and be proud of 
him. Maybe even slip him a "J" to ease his stress. lmao 
--------------------------------------------------------------
ok ok ok i know that had nothing to do with anything.. that was 
the real helena talking.  

From: om/cf
To: Helena
Date: Thu Oct 24 23:00:11 2002

Message:
Slip him a "J"? Whatever do you mean? Is he going to be 
contestant on The Wheel of Fortune? Are you Vanna White? LOL!

Its some tough life being on the other side of the world in 
lands so different from home where there are people who would 
like to see you dead. I didn't have to do it but sure respect 
those that do.

On a more positive note:

HELL FUCKIN' YAA!!!, THEY GOT THE MOTHERFUCKER/S MURDERING 
PEOPLE NEAR D.C.!!! JOHN MUHAMMAD, ISLAM CONVERT - IMAGINE THAT!!

From: Marie
To:
Subject: Oustanding!!!!
Date: Thu Oct 24 23:34:43 2002

Message:
That was the most Outstanding peice of police work I've ever 
seen!!! DC, Virginia, Maryland, Alabama, Wahington State! And to 
the Hero (whether you want to be one or not) the man who blocked 
them in with his Van, Ol John "Mohammed" and That kid, made sure 
they couldnt go anywhere and called 911! You were a very brave, 
alert, AMERICAN!! Fbi, Cia,
Local Law Enforcement, Secret Service, all working together
and "COOPERATING"!!!! Maybe we wont have another 911 if you guys 
all work together like that all the time! I feel for the 
families of more innocent people who lost their lives just going 
on with daily peaceful life, going to work, shopping, pumping 
gas, going to school. I am praying for you!

                      GOD BLESS AMERICA

From: Marie
To:
Subject: Death Penalty!!!
Date: Thu Oct 24 23:54:52 2002

Message:
Oh I forgot to mention, DEATH PENALTY!!!!! USE IT!!!!
Please dont make us pay for those useless wastes of skin, sons 
of bitches housing, and food for the next 50 years!! 
Its bad enough they get to breath our oxygen! 

From: BAHRAIN
To: AFGHANISTAN
Subject: .............
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:07:44 2002

Message:
INSHALLA ALLAH BEN 9ERKOM 
OSAMA RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: ????????????
To: AFGHANISTAN
Subject: .............
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:07:44 2002

Message:
INSHALLA ALLAH BEN 9ERKOM 
OSAMA RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Marie
To: Terrorist Assholes!!!!
Subject: Beware!!!!
Date: Fri Oct 25 09:12:41 2002

Message:
I think our government just gave US Cart Blanche to kick the 
living shit out of you ourselves if we see you playing on our 
railroad tracks, or floating around in a boat near our bridges!!!
Now you will deal with us personnally!!! :-)

From: .44
To: Marie
Date: Fri Oct 25 22:22:40 2002

Message:
Excellent posts!  My concern is that some ultra-leftist lawyer 
will come running to the aid of the 17 yr. old boy wonder, 
claiming that his "fun daddy" brainwashed him.  You just know 
that Mr. Cohen or Mr. Cochran are already drooling over the 
prospect of defending this "poor, misunderstood, and abused lad".  
What we need is a death penalty that actually deters people from 
committing murder.  Lethal injection is hardly intimidating, esp. 
when a killer on death row knows he has 15 years or so before 
he's executed.  I say bring back the gas chamber, hanging, and 
the firing squad, and if the ACLU rdb's don't like it, SCREW 
'EM!!!                         

From: Chicozen
To: .44
Date: Sat Oct 26 05:05:42 2002

Message:
It is obvious that you know nothing about the death penalty in 
this country.  For one thing I'm not agaisnt the death penalty 
for any other  reason than for the simple fact that it does not 
work the way we would like to think its works.  If the death 
penalty was a useful tool agaisnt crime by all means kill all 
those bastards.  But its not...death penalty is NO deterent, 
that is a proven fact.  Its not equal...beacuse it various so 
much among states, murder does not automatically equal Death 
Penalty...why not?  Its racist...minority killers will 
overwhelming and disproportionaly get the DP over white killers, 
especially if a minority kills a white (its all in the numbers I 
swear).  How can Maryland not execute MAlvo, yet Alabama can, 
what is the diffrence (he is a cold blooded killer), i'll tell 
you what the diffrence is...politicians...and how much do you 
really trust that politicians will always support the best 
legislation for the people?????better said, they will always 
choose the best lesgislation that will get them elected.  The 
snipers deserved nothing short than the DP, unfortunely we are 
asking for justice from a proven unfair system.  and that really 
sucks for us.

From: DQ
To:
Date: Sat Oct 26 07:15:13 2002

Message:
Good that they got the sniper(s). It was a headline in Holland 
as well.

From: ready, aim, fire
To: Chicozen
Subject: death penalty
Date: Sat Oct 26 15:46:24 2002

Message:
Muhammad and Malvo are both minorities. How conveeeenient! Death 
by firing-squad seems appropriate here.

From: Marie
To: .44
Subject: Ha! I see it now!
Date: Sat Oct 26 16:40:18 2002

Message:
I am so glad that the police (In every state), FBI, Secret 
Service, etc.. protected the "Chain of Evidence" the way they 
did! So careful not touching anything, when they had to wearing 
gloves, transporting the car in a trailor so nobody could say
they messed up something. I can see those lawyers jumping at the 
opportunity to defend that kid! But somehow I get the feeling
those shots that "Didnt Kill" may have been fired by him!
I think he is just as guilty as Ol Johhny "Mohammed". And I think
when they killed that FBI Lady, The Feds are going to be able to 
get involved also! And HELL YEAH Leathal Injection is Waaaay to 
good for them! By the time they are done with all these trials
and everything they will probably wish they were dead! I would 
like to see them get into Main Steam in Jail! Let someone
make them their bitch! Torture Torture Torture!!! Death is way
to good for either of them I just dont want to have to pay for 
their living expenses lol. When Timmothy McVeigh got executed
it just didnt seem enough to compansate for all the lives
he took! But at least we arent having to pay for it! I guess
this will be interesting how this whole thing unfolds!!

And Thank You :-)

From: .44
To: Chicozen
Date: Sun Oct 27 11:18:09 2002

Message:
You say I don't know anything about the death penalty.  How 
presumptuous of you.  And arrogant.  The reason that the death 
penalty doesn't work is because we gently put them to sleep, that 
is, AFTER they've spent several years on death row.  I say bring 
back the electric chair, the gas chamber, the firing squad.  If 
we had those types of executions again, then most would-be 
murderers would hesitate to carry out their heinous acts.  As for 
the racism, I'm not impressed that you played the race card.  
Maybe the reason that more blacks than whites have been executed 
is because more white murderers committed their crimes in states 
where there is NO death penalty, whereas more black murderers 
than not committed their crimes in those states that DO execute.  
Also, it might be the case that more black killers than not 
cannot afford quality legal representation, and so are stuck with 
some useless court-appointed shyster.  I'm sure that there are 
many variables which make for a complicated summation as to why 
it APPEARS to you that the death penalty is biased, but I'm not 
convinced that you're right about that point.          

From: .44
To: Marie
Date: Sun Oct 27 11:28:45 2002

Message:
Thank God the DC Park Police weren't part of it.  They'd REALLY 
have screwed it up!!!  lol        

From: The Thinker
To: Everyone on this planet
Subject: Think! Injustice cannot be defeated with injustice!
Date: Sun Oct 27 10:57:28 2002

Message:
First of all, my heart and condolences go out to all of the 
people who were killed last September 11 and to the families of 
the victims of the Beltway Sniper as well as the hostage 
situation in Moscow. No one deserved what happened to them. 
Although there is still injustice in this nation, I am still 
proud to be an American and will stay that way! However I have 
problem with some Americans who have that right-wing reactionary 
machismo; the ones who advocate that famous philosophy of "might 
makes right." You are no better than the evil overlords who rule 
Iraq and Libya. Instead of invading Iraq, we need to continue to 
find the perpetrators of this horrible tragedy, Osama Bin Laden 
and his Al-Qaeda associates. This was, in my opinion, a criminal 
act that does not need the full strength of our military. I 
looked at the WTC not just as an American icon, but as an icon 
of the world. The people who were killed there were trying to 
make the world a better place through trade, not war. Let the 
pursuit of Al-Qaeda be an act of world justice, not a 
nationalistic partisan act of vigilantism. My heart also goes 
out to all of the civilians in repressive regimes overseas as 
well. We have people in this world who use God to justify all 
the hurt and suffering they commit. Also I tell you why the 
average "revolution" some extremists talk about fails: it is 
because sooner or later the oppresed becomes the oppresor! 
Suppose if a revolution was really successful, would the leader 
and the participants not succumb to the temptation of 
megalomania? Even after the American Revolution, there was still 
never any true peace because the new states feared another 
autocracy. Everyone saw in history how Hitler and his Third 
Reich hid behind the premise of ushering in a better democracy, 
yet it turned into a brutal dictatorship. The same thing 
happened to the Soviet Union under  Stalin. I encourage everyone 
hatemonger and extremist to read George Orwell's book, Animal 
Farm. Absolute power leads to corruption. We as Americans do not 
want to give extremists the credibility that the United States 
is on the whole "The Great Satan," as The Ayatollah called us. 

Also I want to point out that we need to stop this backlash 
against anything that is not American. In addition to the number 
of incidences involving violence againsts Arabs and Arab-
Americans, Anti-Semitism is on the rise too. We need to stop 
scapegoating every Jewish person for all the social ills that 
goes on in the Middle East. Not every Jewish person condones 
what the state of Israel has done or is doing. It might add too 
that the true definition of Anti-Semitism (especially at times 
like this) is hatred or hostility toward any person who is 
Middle Eastern, whether they are Jewish or Arab. I say this 
because in reality the Jewish (Hebrews) and Arabs collectively 
are Semitic peoples. Oh yes, and there are still black people 
enslaved in some African countries under extreme Islamic 
dictatorship. If black people just talk about our history of 
slavery, that would be hypocritical for us and Afrocentrists to 
turn a blind eye to what goes on in Africa. I telling you this 
as a black person because I know what has happened to us for 
over 400 years. We need to place human solidarity over the color 
of our skin, and we need to condemn the practice of slavery and 
not the people who practiced or practices it. Slavery had not 
always been a racist institution. Slavery has been a part of 
human civilization for thousands of years. I am sick and tired 
of people treating each other animals and people who exploit the 
fears and prejudices of other people for some base end. I hope 
what I said will make some difference. Peace.


From: Chicozen
To: .44
Date: Sun Oct 27 12:46:56 2002

Message:
" 1.The reason that the death penalty doesn't work is because 
we "gently" put them to sleep, that is, AFTER they've spent 
several years on death row. 
(that is an emotional opinion, nothing to do with facts)
 
2. If we had those types of executions again, then most would-be 
murderers would hesitate to carry out their heinous acts. 
(wrong, you forget enviroment, economy, mental illness, 
stupidity, ect.)

 3. Maybe the reason that more blacks than whites have been 
executed is because more white murderers committed their crimes 
in states where there is NO death penalty, whereas more black 
murderers than not committed their crimes in those states that 
DO execute. (so wrong, this is not true)"

IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK...THEN YES...YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT 
THE DEATH PENALTY!

I was a Criminal Justice Major in college and I spend much of my 
time studying law enforcement, law, and constitutional rights, 
so I pretty much know the "numbers" behind the death penalty 
throughount this country.  If a shame that you know so little 
about this topic and you have such strong judgemental views.  
That is one hell of a problem in this country.  I will tell you 
why.
All it takes is ONE high profile case to cause people to 
push "taugh" laws...politicians know what they did to support to 
get your vote, without putting much though on how that 
particular law will affect the community in the long run.  Just 
to justify one moment of anger people often support laws that 
really hurt them in the long run.
 EX. Polly Klass case.  The furor agaisnt probation was so much 
that CA made the "3 strikes AND YOUR OUT law."  By this time, 
this stupid law has cause an incredible amount of tax payers 
money, overcrowed jails, disbalance their criminal system, put 
officers and the public at greater danger (do you know what 
people do when they know that their 3 strike will get them life 
in prison : even if it stealing a pizza?) and guess what it does 
not deter people from commiting crimes) CA is not safer now 
beacuse of this "tough" law. 
So next time you open your mouth about a topic (regardless of 
your stand...have something of substance to argue with.  There 
are good arguments FOR the death penalty out there, you just 
don't know them...so guess who is the arrogant one here??? 

From: Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: Why?
Date: Mon Oct 28 13:25:31 2002

Message:
Why do you have to always do that?  Cant a person just have an 
opinion without you trying to lay down the law and all the facts 
about everything? Quit trying to be so smart and just listen for 
a change.  

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Mon Oct 28 14:21:13 2002

Message:
I do listen...I'm not trying to be "be" smart...I am smart. As 
far as I am concern, .44 can be all the PRO death penalty he/she 
wants to be, I'm just giving him the other half of an issue.  
Nothing wrong with that...Helena, by the way, if I just listen 
ALL the time, it would defeat the purpose of friendly chat!

From: Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: Friendly Chat?
Date: Mon Oct 28 17:52:38 2002

Message:
You call that friendly chat?  Hmmm...  Ok.  Whatever floats your 
boat.  =)

From: om/cf
To: Chicozen
Date: Mon Oct 28 19:58:36 2002

Message:
I live in Illinois where we have some very interesting things 
going on involving the death penalty. Approximatly 2 years ago 
Govenor Ryan declared a 'ceasefire' on executions in the wake of 
several death row inmates being found not guilty based on 
current DNA testing technology that was not available at the 
time of their trials. Regardless of what I think of Govenor 
George (liscense for bribes) Ryan, I believe he did the right 
thing in taking a look at the death row cases, especially the 
older cases. Currently, all death row inmates are being given 
clemency hearings which means the families of the victums are 
being run thru the wringer once more. The lameduck Govenor makes 
the final decision - this is outragous! Unless a resonable 
argument can be made for the innocence of the inmate, no hearing 
should be held, IMHO.

You are right, the death penalty as it exists, does not have 
much value as a deterrent. It takes an average of 18 years in 
the state of Illinois to execute a murderer, from the time of 
sentencing. Cost wise to the taxpayer, with the never-ending 
legal appeals from the pro-bonehead liberal laywers trying to 
get their name in print, its cheaper to keep 'em alive. BUT, 
there is the emotional 'eye for an eye' factor. Five years ago 
Illinois finally executed a man named Ray Lee Stewert who 20 
years earlier (I was a senior in H.S.) went on a 
murdering/robbery spree over a two week period that involved 
such things as shooting a gas station attendent in the back of 
the head, execution style - I grew up with the kid he shot. Ray 
Lee murdered a total of 5 people over this period and had the 
whole area in a similar terror, on a smaller scale, as the 
recent pig's spree in the D.C. area. Ray Lee was 28 at the time 
of his breakdown and had a criminal record dating back to his 
early teens but nothing quite this vicious. 'Slap his wrists, 
he'll learn', the bullshit liberal judges figured. What they 
failed to see was that Ray Lee was a animal, no more no less. 
While in jail Ray Lee spit on and attempted to urinate on the 
guards. The son-of-bitch actually escaped from the courthouse 
during his trial almost a year after the murders. He was 
handcuffed but not shackled and some officers were leading him 
up the stairs after a break when he broke free and ran back down 
the stairs towards the enterance, one officer fired and hit him 
in the side with a .38 special revolver, the carry arm of the 
day. Ray ran out of the courthouse and for a full hour the city 
relived the nightmare of this animal running loose on the 
streets downtown. A cop checking an alley 2 blocks from the 
courthouse looked down a stairway leading to a building basement 
and noticed a afro sticking up over the lip of a 55 gallon 
barrel, walked up to the barrel and grabbed Ray Lee by 
the 'fro', scewed the barrel of his revolver into Ray's ear and 
said "I don't expect you'll be giving me any problems, right 
Ray"? A local radio reporter was with the cop and recorded it.

Some people are beyond rehabilitation and for the good of 
society, need to be put to death. 

From: Helena
To: om/cf
Subject: Wow
Date: Mon Oct 28 21:21:02 2002

Message:
Dam... What a psycho. 

From: Helena
To: om/cf
Subject: Wow
Date: Mon Oct 28 21:21:02 2002

Message:
Dam... What a psycho. 

From: om/cf
To: Helena & Chicozen
Date: Mon Oct 28 22:52:02 2002

Message:
You bet he was a psycho, but not insane....had the sense to flee 
to South Carolina and fight extradition when his dear old dad 
turned him in to crimestoppers for the reward money. A slightly 
dysfunctional family, lol.

The point I started out to make is the death penalty will never 
be a deterant to 'crazy' people or in acts of passion. But it 
could enter the thoughts of those that plan out and think their 
murderous acts thru. Such as terrorists. As I said, there are 
people on this Earth who are so evil, the quicker they die the 
better off the rest of society is. Just my two cents.

From: Chicozen
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Oct 29 06:54:21 2002

Message:
You are right...there are people who are simply not meant to 
mingle with the rest of the world.  By the way, I'm originally 
from Illinois (Chicago!) and a gradute of Loyola Chicago, a 
resident at the Depaul Law School and a St. Ignatius H.S. 
graduate (that is just being a show-off) But being from Chicago 
that is why I got so involed and intrigued with this issue...you 
might also remembered that we more than a few cases where men 
accused of killing a little girl, rape and murder spend more 
than 10 years in prison yet they were innocent.  You cannot 
forget about zealous prosecution, imcompetent police work, 
RACISM, public disintrest and a whole bunch of shit that really 
makes the death penalty useless in most cases.

From: Helena
To: All
Subject: Death Penalty
Date: Tue Oct 29 10:01:20 2002

Message:
I say to hell with the lethal injection .. bring back the 
electric chair... Lethal injection is a crock of shit. Me and 
hubby were talking about this last night.  Cuz now days we have  
all the technology to prove a person guilty. They should die 
immediately (right after court) no matter what insane plea they 
give. Anyone who kills is obviously not right anyway.  Just my 
opinion, i really dont want to get all technical about it 
though. Its just how i feel. Rid Lethal Injection, bring back 
the Electric Chair to all States.

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Tue Oct 29 13:20:59 2002

Message:
OK!
Sounds good to me, but lets just hope that one day you or a love 
love one never gets falsely or accidently accused beacuse you 
will be frying in no time, with no time to ever prove your 
innocence.  THAT is just not right!  I agree with you in the 
most ideal of situations.  But Helena you are trusting and 
beleiving that our system works in a timely and effective 
matter.  The reason why people (in most cases) wait so long is 
because they often wait for a long time to processes their 
case.  I knew of men in the cook  county jail in Illinois that 
were in there for years waiting for a trail.  That is why when 
in comes to sentecing most of the people have at least if not 
all "time served".  You think that we have the technology to 
prove a person innocent or guilty? While our criminal 
technology  is pretty impressive, its not 100% accurate.  
Helena, in many death penalty cases, the immates are asking for 
DNA test that may help their cases...are often deny.  It takes a 
shit load of work and people and money to see through the proper 
action is taken in BEHALF of the accused.  Really, money is the 
name of the game...OJ had enough money and popularity that the 
death penalty was never sought out in his case (when hundreds of 
others have been executed for similar or less crusome crimes). 
WHY? Cause they knew that no jury would put OJ to death, so 
instead of risking to lose the case they went with life in 
prison. But he proved to have enough dough to take care of it 
all. That is really when I lost some faith in the system.  Your 
logic is wrong when you think that the harsher the death...the 
less crime we will have.  Do you think that murderers think "i 
rather choke to death or fry to death" DEATH is death and they 
still commit their crimes with the hope of never being 
caught...that is what motivates and encourages their action.

From: Dairy Queen
To: Helena
Date: Tue Oct 29 14:24:36 2002

Message:
It is impossible to prove a person's guilt for a 100%. Lie 
detecters are still not trust worthy so still people can be 
sentenced to death innocent. In your country it happened several 
times over the last years.

I have a bet time story for you.

One night a woman and her boyfriend were driving over a deserted 
road when there car was stopped by a man. He forsed them to get 
out of the car. Tied the man up and rapped the woman brutally.

At the research by the police they found unknown seamen inside 
the woman's body which wasn't of her boyfriend.

A few days later a man was arrested. The woman swore that he was 
the one who did it. Than they did medical search for evidence.

His sperm was of the same type as the sperm found in the woman.

She pointed him as the one who did it so there was double 
evidence and he was locked up for life.

The man was pleading himself innocent all the time.

After eleven years the woman admitted that at that time she was 
cheating on her boyfriend. the second type of sperm was from the 
other man.

The man was proven innocent and released.

This happened only a few years ago in the US. If he would have 
been 'fried' like many people wanted to this story would have 
had a different end. 

From: Chicozen
To: DQ
Date: Tue Oct 29 15:27:00 2002

Message:
HEY DQ, good to hear from you...I agree with you! (who would 
have imagined ;)

From: Helena
To: DQ, Chicozen
Subject: and
Date: Tue Oct 29 17:48:11 2002

Message:
I am not wrong about anything Chicozen because i was NOT trying 
to be right. I was giving my opinion.  I didnt say our 
technology was 100% accurate either.  Yah, some people get 
falsely accused and thats too bad but whether its the chair or 
the needle they are still gonna die. But when a person is 
accused and all the evidence and facts are there, or they admit 
to it, they need to die right then. Why wait? If the evidence 
isnt enough then i can understand them sitting in prison for 
whatever many of years until they get it right. My opinion still 
stands. Let it be.

From: om/cf
To: Chicozen
Date: Tue Oct 29 22:29:57 2002

Message:
Chicago? LOL! I was at McCormick Place on Lakeshore Dr. most of 
the day today setting up our company's machines in our booth for 
a packaging machine show. Rockford is close enough to Chicago 
for me. Easy to drive in, easy out.

I actually wanted to be a cop - oh so many years ago - and took 
police science courses after high school, until I realised the 
starting pay was near poverty level and switched to mechanical 
engineering. But its still an interest.

In the spring of this year I had to testify as witness for the 
state in a attempted murder trial of a father and son being 
tried together. In short, there was a big brawl down the street 
from where my daughter and I live. I heard, then opened the door 
and saw the ruckus involving 10-15 people and tried to call the 
police. My 12 year old was on the internet so by the time she 
logged out it had become quiet again, except for a loud thump 
noise. So I looked out the door again and one guy is laying on a 
guy on the ground while another guy is lifting something over 
his head and smashing it down on the guy on the ground's head. 
So like a freeking nut I go running down the street with nothing 
but shorts on in the cold. They where hitting him with a gas 
propane tank from a grill and the victum's head on the left side 
was smashed in (I mean concave) and he was completly unconcious. 
Blood was everywhere. My exact words: "What in the fuck are you 
doing. Have you even looked at this guys head"! They both left 
the area, my daughter came with the phone and I called 911 while 
grabbing the guys shoulder and telling him help was on the way. 
I was covered with blood and still on the phone with 911 when 
the two, believe it or not, father and son came back and started 
yelling "die motherfucker" and "you should be dead motherfucker" 
at this guy who was dieing. This my daughter heard, and it was 
in her statement to the police. My daughter and me where at the 
police station from 10 pm that night till 4 am the next morning 
and according to the police had to be seperated "so we didn't 
discuss our stories". We had to side in seperate police cars. I 
shit you not. As we sat in these tiny interogation rooms for two 
hours staring at the walls, we could hear the two perps in their 
room down the hall, together and with reletives in their room, 
yelling out threats at us and the police and not ONE FUCKING 
THING was done about it! And these same police wonder why they 
get so little help from the public?

It was the first time I'd ever been in court other than jury 
duty, traffic tickets or the occasional misdomeaner in the 
younger days. We spent 3 days in the states attornys office I 
was on the stand for 1 hour and 15 minutes the third day, 
unbelievable. I was so nervous I tried to swallow but couldn't. 
One of the cops that was at the scene that night testified 
before me and gave me some tips in the hallway outside the 
courtroom that helped. My daughter was supposed to testify the 
3rd day as well. In fact, the victums advocate bitch for the 
state said she would "stomp up and down" and make sure we got 
this year long ordeal over with. At 5 pm everyone comes walking 
out of the courtroom - continued to the next day. I was PISSED, 
my daughter had a school field trip the next day she had looked 
foreward to all year as well as being scared of testifying in 
front of these two scumbags - as far as I was concerned we had 
gone above and beyond the call of duty. We got down to the end 
of the hallway to the elevators and who should swagger off the 
elevator but the "stomp up and down" bitch. Well I STOMPED AND 
CHEWED HER ASS up and down and explained we WERE NOT COMING 
BACK! She threatened that I would be arrested which got a hearty 
FUCK YOU BITCH! It was cool, all these people in the hallway 
looked like they were in freeze frame, jaws dropped. Our supeona 
was dated for the 1st day of the trial only. We did not go back 
and the jury found the two not guilty probably based on the fact 
a whole group of people came to their house and started the 
trouble, they took it out on the unlucky bastard that didn't get 
away. Everyone should get the opportunity to spend 3 days in a 
states attourny office, the inter-office jokes and chit chat is 
downright scary, even for a conservative.



From: DQ
To: who reads it
Date: Wed Oct 30 06:11:56 2002

Message:
It is also that jury system of yours which often makes trials 
in the US a failure.

The same in Holland but not because of a jury system, 
which we don't have, but because of the low punishments.

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Wed Oct 30 11:41:16 2002

Message:
You really have a problem when it comes to discusing and 
arguing.  Yes you are entitled to an opinion. You are right 
about that.  But IN THIS CASE, you are talking to US.  If you 
were talking to a wall or a plant, THEN you will not get any 
feedback. BUT you are talking to people, and THEY do have the 
right to type back anything they want.  At the end of the day, 
nobody can take your precious opinion  away from you, it will 
always stand.  But because you do write for us to read, then you 
will ALWAYS get a reaction, LIKE IT OR NOT!

From: Chicozen
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Oct 30 11:51:16 2002

Message:
Wow, that really does not amaze me at all and its pretty 
unfortunate. 

From:
To: bin laden and sadam
Subject: bunch of pusssies
Date: Wed Oct 30 13:37:53 2002

Message:
both of you are going to taste AMERICAN dick verrryyyyyy soon!

From:
To: all religous people
Date: Wed Oct 30 13:49:04 2002

Message:
the whole problem in this world is religion. true or false?

From:
To: all religous people
Date: Wed Oct 30 13:49:04 2002

Message:
the whole problem in this world is the fucking religion. true or 
false?

From: Helena
To: Chicozen, om/cf
Subject: Whatever
Date: Wed Oct 30 14:08:43 2002

Message:
You know what Chicozen?  I do NOT have a problem discussing 
anything with anyone. Since we were on the subject of death 
penalty i went ahead and gave you all my opinion.  You wanna 
respond? Thats great! But telling me that my opinion is wrong, 
is WRONG of YOU, just because you might not agree with me.  And 
if i didnt want a "reaction" (i think you meant "response") i 
would have kept it to myself. 
----------------------------------------------------------------
OM/CF -- WOW.. Did that affect your daughter? How is she doing 
now?  Thats terrible that you or her had to see any of that.  

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Wed Oct 30 15:57:56 2002

Message:
I really don't understand you and others that think that 
opinions are untouchable.  To say:
"i believe that all people who commit murder should be be 
executed" ---well I can't argue with that...that is a true 
Opinion.

To say:
"Cuz now days we have all the technology to prove a person 
guilty. They should die immediately (right after court) no 
matter what insane plea they give."
---That is a statement THAT IS WRONG.  It goes beyond a simple 
position.  So yes you can be off in what you say, ultimatly I 
can't argued with the fact that you do support the Chair over 
the injection. Get it right Helena!

From: Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: *sigh*
Date: Wed Oct 30 18:02:36 2002

Message:
Get what right?? What the fuck are you talking about??  You are 
really starting to bore me. Can you just go on with your life in 
the message board or are you still gonna sit there and dwell 
over everything I say?? 

From: Chicozen
To: Helena
Date: Wed Oct 30 19:16:30 2002

Message:
YOU ARE A WACKO!  I will ignore yoy from now....and pleasesit 
there and dwell on what i have to say...please you add nothing 
to this board except your "precious opinion" on shit...

From: om/cf
To: Helena
Date: Wed Oct 30 19:05:37 2002

Message:
Yea, it affected her, but surprisingly she was most concerned 
with the condition of the 26 year old that was beaten. Even the 
police could not believe he lived - I would have bet everything 
he wouldn't. She couldn't get the mental picture of the 
incredible damage done to this persons head. There was a pile 
of 'something' the size of softball on the ground near his mouth 
that looked like intestines or something. I never did find out 
what the hell that was. We got to meet him at the trial which 
really helped her. He is blind and deaf on the one side, has a 
limp and some problems talking but was living on his own - all 
in all, I was amazed. I've emphasized to her that our actions 
(even though she was told to stay in the house!) saved a mans 
life and the detective she talked to that night told her the 
same.

Regards,

open mind/closed fist

From: Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: om/cf
Date: Thu Oct 31 00:34:43 2002

Message:
Chicozen... THANK YOU
------------------------------
OM/CF -- Nice details of the stuff by his mouth.. LOL  i 
literally got a mental picture of that. Kinda gross.. haha But 
anyway do you feel like a hero?  He was lucky to have you there 
at that time. And im glad to hear you daughter and yourself are 
doing okay too.

From: om/cf
To: Helena
Date: Thu Oct 31 06:26:18 2002

Message:
No, I never felt like a hero. I think most decent people would 
have reacted the same way. After almost a year of dealing with 
the legal system as a witness, the feeling turned to more of 
a 'victum' thing. Finding out the beaten man had a criminal 
record dating back to his teens didn't help either. 

From: Marie
To: .44
Subject: Lmao! I just got that
Date: Fri Nov 1 00:18:10 2002

Message:
Ha! I just got that! Wasnt that where they overlooked that girl 
who died and they thought the congressman or senator (I forgot 
their names) was thought to have something to do with her 
dissapearance? And they found her body a year later?
And John Walsh was convinced that it "Wasnt" the congressman but 
a serial killer in that park? 
I cant believe myself that the D.C. police overlooked her body 
for over a year! 
Ha! Yeah they would have screwed that whole thing up! 

From: Marie
To: Whoever
Subject: Death Penalty!
Date: Fri Nov 1 00:41:12 2002

Message:
I dont give a rats ass how they do it! Just do it!
But......I just dont feel like paying forever for some twisted 
idiot that decided to take his make believe son on some kind of
"Human" hunting trip! Bastards like that need to go! 
I bet Texas, and Oklahoma have executed more people this year
than the entire Country!! I think the average stay on death row
in those 2 states is maybe 5 years sometimes less....
In that amount of time we will have spent more on housing them 
than the cost of whatever method they want to use to get
them out of society.. AND THANK GOD FOR "DNA" Which is 
what 99.9% accurate!!!!!
That's about as close to 100% as you can get!

From: Marie
To: Bin Laden & Saddam
Date: Fri Nov 1 00:53:15 2002

Message:
So will you!! :-)

From: Chicozen
To: EVERYONE
Date: Fri Nov 1 13:55:20 2002

Message:
I'm really amaze at times at not at what people say but of what 
they believe on this board.  I guess in one sense its very scary 
and yet very realistic of how the world is.  I have learned from 
some people on this board and yes I do make mistakes, primarely 
on how I say things...I try not to be too scarcastic or try not 
to cuss because I belive that that becomes the focus and not 
what I am trying say.  But Its like, "do you read what is 
written?" Marie, you got these "real strong" feelings, yet you 
miss the point and the facts about what has been established on 
this board of 1. the % of accuracy 2. DNA 3. lenght of time in 
prison. Yes while you choose two states were its probably done 
diffrently That is not to imply that its better there than the 
rest of the country.  Texas is the "best" state for rapid and 
mass executions.  Yet, are Texans safer, is there less crime 
(proportional of course, Texas is a big state)? 
Is their system of absense of corrupt prosecutors, police 
officers, and citizens.
Essentially you have to ask yourself ONE question (maybe two)
"Do you support the death penalty, even if there is a chance 
that 1 single innocent person is executed? Would you change your 
mind is that person was you or a loved one?"
That is what it boils down to, you want to spare an innocent 
life for the executions of hundreds of guilty ones?  Let me tell 
you something, we have and we will execute innocent lives and 
its at a higher rate than you would have ever imagine.  Illinois 
borderlines as a Conservative state, and they have stop 
executions for one simple reason: They had such a high rate on 
death row immates proven innocent of the crimes that got them 
the death penalty.  

From: Brit Soldier
To: Chicozen
Subject: Death penalty
Date: Fri Nov 1 15:48:34 2002

Message:
Shit happens

From: om/cf
To: Chicozen
Subject: death penalty
Date: Fri Nov 1 18:20:45 2002

Message:
Since the death penalty was reinstated in Illinois there has 
been 12 executions and 13 overturned and released from death 
row, not all necessarily "innocent", but not elligible for the 
death penalty. Even those released as "innocent" were no choir 
boys - criminal records as long as mt arm. So to answer the 
question:

"Do you support the death penalty, even if there is a chance 
that 1 single innocent person is executed? Would you change your 
mind is that person was you or a loved one?"

Hell Ya, I could live with it. These "mistakes" were not made on 
law abiding citizens, but on career criminals. If one accidently 
gets offed in the process, oh well! Of course Im playing devils 
advocate here as well, but I do believe in the death penalty. 
There are people that are pure evil and should be put to death, 
and as quickly as possible. Number 8 for example:

Date: Wednesday, September 18, 1996   
Source: By Ray Quintanilla and Eric Zorn, Tribune Staff 
Writers   
Section: METRO CHICAGO   
Parts: 9   
Copyright Chicago Tribune

RAY STEWART EXECUTED FOR KILLING SPREE   

Convicted serial killer Ray Lee Stewart was put to death early 
Wednesday in Joliet, 15 years after admitting he murdered
six people in the Rockford and Beloit, Wis., area.

Stewart, 44, of Rockford, was pronounced dead at 12:30 a.m. 
Wednesday,
moments after he was administered a lethal injection by 
authorities at
Stateville Correctional Center. He was the eighth person to be 
executed in Illinois since the state reinstituted the death 
penalty in 1977.

"Hello to everyone. May you all have peace because of this. May 
my
victims' families have peace," Stewart said as he lay on a 
gurney in the death chamber just before the execution began.

Late Tuesday, as the visitors left and the time grew closer to 
his
execution,  Stewart grew reflective.

                         ...................

The execution was scheduled more than 15 years after Stewart's 
weeklong
killing spree in January and February 1981.

It began at Tiny Fredd's Grocery store in Rockford, where police
discovered the bodies of owner Willie Fredd, 54, and clerk 
Albert Pearson, 20, each shot several times in the head.

The next day, at two separate service stations, police found the
bullet-riddled bodies of Kevin Kaiser, 18, and Kenny Foust, 35. 
The spree ended at a Beloit shopping center, where Richard 
Boeck, 21,
and Donald Rains, 26, were killed in a Radio Shack store.

From: Marie
To: Chic
Date: Fri Nov 1 18:50:34 2002

Message:
What does it take to get you to see the point of what anyone 
else (besides you) is trying to make? My point is if there is 
overwhelming physical, and DNA evidence and some eyewhitnesses
wouldnt hurt either, in other words we are not STUPID people
and I do believe we know when we see such evidence as in the 
sniper case that THOSE FUCKERS ARE GUILTY!! And I for one
do NOT like having to pay for their housing and food for the 
next 50 years. Or the rest of my life whatever comes first.
Now if that scares or amazes you then you have issues chic!!!

From: Helena
To: Marie
Subject: Chicozen
Date: Fri Nov 1 20:23:15 2002

Message:
Here she goes with her "facts" shit again.  At least its you now 
and not me.. haha  

From: om/cf
To: Chicozen
Subject: Another case
Date: Fri Nov 1 21:44:46 2002

Message:
We have a very interesting death penalty case in Winnebago 
county soon to go to trial, hopefully, after defense motion 
after motion. The jury will come from Lake county. William Buck 
is accused of murdering off duty Rockford detective Kevin Rice. 
Mr. Buck had been released from prison shortly before this 
murder, his second. At the tender age of 16 the gang-banging 
Buck murdered a man near a drug house by shooting him in the 
back. Of course he was released back on the streets when he was 
a adult which makes no sense at all. Lovely Mr. Buck continues 
in and out of prison in the preceeding years so often he really 
should have his own shuttle-bus on standby, then comes the 
fatefull day. Kevin Rice (also black btw) is driving to his 
family's house being built at 2am to see how the carpet layer's 
were coming along, as he wanted to move his family in a couple 
of days. He did much of the work on the new house himself late 
at night after work. I know what some are thinking, but Kevin 
Rice is beyond reproach. Trust me. He sees Buck (who he 
recognizes) and another man on a street corner (off duty, mind 
you) and stops to see what they are up to. Buck pulls a gun and 
shoots Kevin Rice multiple times through the open car window. 
Bucks gang buddy gets caught and sings like a bird. Bucks 
arrested at mama's apartment and has been claiming police 
brutality ever since. 

I don't care HOW he's killed, just KILL HIM! I WILL DO IT FOR 
FREE, WITH MY GUN, AT NO CHARGE!! 

P.S. I personally know Bob Verruchi, one of the detectives Mr. 
Buck claims brutaly arrested him. Bob's a tough little Italian 
guy who takes ZERO shit but is a complete professional. If the 
son-of-a-bitch started some shit, Bob would be more than happy 
to make him understand he was being arrested.

From: Helena
To: om/cf
Subject: wow
Date: Sat Nov 2 10:27:32 2002

Message:
Sounds like you live in a wonderful part of our country.  But I 
say kill him too.  He is guilty without a doubt so kill him.

From: Chicozen
To: om/cf
Date: Sat Nov 2 15:12:21 2002

Message:
If you can live with, then what else could I say. I can 
certainly respect that...because that is what it all comes down 
to.  I have always fought agaisnt the DP based on technical, 
logistical reasons...to me its not a 100% innocent 
guarantee...and I cannot support that.  Its not like a life in 
prison sentence where one day someone camn be proven innocent 
and released. Its an irreversable act, all we can say then 
its ,"oops, sorry", that is not good enough for me.  But you are 
educated on the isssue and you have chosen that position, and I 
certainly have no problem with. I do not have the same respect 
for Marie's and helena's position beacuse they make opinions on 
pure emotional basis and expect it to be God proven facts...fuck 
that.  At he end of the conversation they will hold on to their 
views and all I can say at the end is "God saves us"!  Om/cf, do 
you know what is more expensive, "life in prison or the to put 
someone to death?" I'm not sure, I can't remember but I think 
putting a person to death is more expensive.  

From: om/cf
To: Chicozen
Date: Sat Nov 2 18:02:00 2002

Message:
The death penalty will never stop murder. If prevention is what 
we're after, the death penalty goes about it ass-backwards. In 
most circumstances the murderers are either enraged or high on 
drugs/booze or both and are in a no-hope situation in life 
anyway with nothing to lose. Its not untill they are forcibly 
sobered up in jail does the death penalty cross their mind. But 
all the social programs to help the poor don't seem to be the 
answer either. I go back and forth on the issue. For sure I want 
to see the mistakes and bogas prosecution eliminated, so I agree 
the study being done in Illinois right now. When the legal 
paperwork reads 'The people of the state of Illinois' executed 
someone, it means I was part of it and I think it should be 
taken seriously.

I've always heard it costs a lot more to execute a death row 
inmate than to house them for life - how much of that money is 
tied to the endless appeals, I do not know. 

From: Marie
To: Iranians
Subject: Thank You
Date: Sun Nov 3 14:24:19 2002

Message:
Boy I never thought I would say this, but Thank You for arresting
One of Bin Ladens Son's, (if what I saw on the news was true)
Maybe there is hope for you after all! 
I see your government is tired of this terrorist bullshit
also!
What's he got like 23 sons?
Ha, 1 down 22 to go!
Once again, Thank You

From: Dairy Queen
To: who reads it
Date: Tue Nov 5 11:21:58 2002

Message:
Any innocent person which will be killed by that systen of 
yours should be a reason to put the death penalty of to the 
stoneage.

For once, try to learn from the past

ps. Bombing Mekka would be a bad idea. You see bombing 
Mekka would be the same to muslims as what bombing 
places like the WTC is to westerners. innocent dead people 
etcetera. Doing that would be the ultimate prove that your 
nation is as primitive as the terrorists of Al Qaida 
themselves.

From: Chicozen
To:
Date: Wed Nov 6 14:20:23 2002

Message:
FREE WYNONA!!!

From: Helena
To: Chicozen
Subject: Wynona
Date: Wed Nov 6 18:45:48 2002

Message:
She's gonna get a slap on the hand along with some 
probation...now if that was me, id be in jail forever...then 
when i got out i would have probation for life... money talks

From: chicozem
To: Helena
Date: Wed Nov 6 19:58:07 2002

Message:
if you caught shoplifting for the time chances are that the cops 
would not be call, or it would never gone to trail...but because 
is a celeb they did this big deal!   you are lucky Helena that 
you are nobody important.

From: om/cf
To:
Date: Thu Nov 7 07:05:14 2002

Message:
FREE HER! She was only ACTING like she was shoplifting - simply 
preparing for a upcoming movie role! I wonder if that excuse 
will work the next time I get busted for taking a fistfull of 
ketchup packets at Micky D's? Well, not busted really but an old 
lady asked me if I really NEEDED that many. "Yes, yes I do".

From: Chicozen
To:
Date: Thu Nov 7 13:07:56 2002

Message:
FREE OM/CF!

From: om/cf
To: All
Date: Thu Nov 7 18:25:07 2002

Message:
When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village 
and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be 
able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men 
and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, 
will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old 
Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God 
Almighty, we are free at last!" 

From: Marie
To: om/cf
Date: Thu Nov 7 20:36:23 2002

Message:
I believe that is happening, SLOWLY but its happening. The wall
is down YEARS  ago but its down, The USSR is Russia again, I 
cant remember anything recent lol but there must have been some
thing! Maybe behind the scenes which we havent heard about yet. 
Old Castro seems to be getting softer in his old age lmao! 

From: Helena
To: Chicozen, om/cf
Subject: Shoplifting
Date: Thu Nov 7 22:25:03 2002

Message:
Chic --  If I was caught shoplifting on more than one occasion, 
like Wynona, then yes the cops would be called and I would go to 
jail without all the broadcasting of what was happening to 
me...But since she is a celebrity they have to show 
everything...How humiliating...Sometimes its good to be a nobody.

  
          ------------------------------------------

om/cf  --  You gotta love Ole Martin...  BUT ... it will never 
be a perfect world... as bad as we all want it to be.. theres 
always gonna be that someone to fuck things up or brainwash 
peoples brains to fuck things up... *sigh*  Cant everyone just 
be normal???  haha

From: om/cf
To: All
Date: Thu Nov 7 23:22:55 2002

Message:
Im not a BIG fan of Dr. King nor black. Speeches are just so 
much hot air to me, no matter the speaker, no matter the subject.
It just seemed a interesting way to respond to Chicozen's good 
natured post. Actually the best part of Kings speech was before 
the "free at last" part at the end.

Regards All

From: Helena
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Nov 8 19:42:03 2002

Message:
Oh...

From: om/cf
To: Helena
Subject: clarification
Date: Sat Nov 9 19:36:58 2002

Message:
UH....re-reading my post above I realised it could be taken that 
I am racist towards blacks. Not so...I have freinds who are 
black as well as freinds of many nationalities. Maybe Im being 
paranoid....but just for the record.

From: asshole
To: the world
Subject: none
Date: Sun Nov 10 15:07:16 2002

Message:
You all need to remember how fucked up it was when the sand 
niggers killed all those people, so by suporting them with your 
jokes and antics makes no since to me, but my openion doesn't 
matter does it. Remember your opion does not matter either.

From: Marie
To: Veterans
Date: Mon Nov 11 10:41:50 2002

Message:
Thank You. For without you WE wouldnt be here!

From: Porpoise
To: Marie
Date: Wed Nov 13 02:41:10 2002

Message:
WHO CARES

From: Marie
To: Porpoise
Date: Wed Nov 13 13:59:49 2002

Message:
About what?

From: Marie
To: Asshole
Date: Wed Nov 13 14:04:54 2002

Message:
If you think your opinion does not matter then why post it?
You obviously have something you would like to share!
Hopefully its without the use of "That" word!

From: George Bush
To: binny boy
Subject: sexs at 9 pm
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:07:44 2002

Message:
hi binny boy did you enjoy last night in the white house the 
cocktales were great u will have 2 ask your wife 4 the recipie 
coz my wife want 2 make it 4 dinner 2 night.
you must cum around again sum time and try out the hot tub with 
me (just the lads) i will invite Tony Blair over as well and we 
can make a real girls night of it. call me on my mobile babes 
catch u later

From: Servent
To: All subjects
Subject: Evil
Date: Mon Nov 18 21:54:43 2002

Message:
I see evil is alive in the postings here as with most of the 
world.  I keep saying to myself, What are these humans doing to 
themselves and the world?  Then I realize for some strange 
reason I'm one of you too.  Hoplessly tangled in the evil of 
humanity.  The problems of humanity are not religion, politics 
or money based, or any of the excuses that humans find to blame 
for there problems.  They are however derived from one simple 
truth, that most wont understand.  And that is, You are all 
weak and unwilling to fight against the evil within; I weep for 
you all.



From: Helena
To: Servent
Subject: Evil
Date: Tue Nov 19 19:16:12 2002

Message:
I admit that to a point... I am weak and unwilling to fight for 
this country.. but as in everyday life I am not weak and will 
take on anyone who wants to try.  I am not a fighter but, you 
know, you cant just run away...But anyway, i know that had 
nothing to do with your point servent ut I havent spoke in this 
message board for a while now and I just HAD to put my face in 
here again... Hi everyone!  I check this board about once a day 
if I remember but its too boring to even talk... I miss the old 
times.. lol  bye guys

From: Chicozen
To: Servent
Date: Wed Nov 20 12:29:46 2002

Message:
You are a servent of pity. Wah, wah, wah...lets us fight the 
evil within!? Pathetic is the only eloquent word for you.  By 
the way, what makes you so hateful and guilt ridden??? Hi to 
all, I see its kind of lame on this board, thats cause I took a 
break from you all. Is Holland still standing DQ? 

From: DQ
To: Chicosen
Date: Thu Nov 21 10:51:45 2002

Message:
Uhm, yes. Holland is still standing as usual. Which means 
a part of it below sea level.

I haven't looked on this board for a while because the 
subjects were non of my business. 

And in a few days i'm going to the Philippines. Need to 
prepare things.

From: Chicozen
To: DQ
Date: Thu Nov 21 13:52:53 2002

Message:
Ok, you take care...I guess no one is safe anywhere in the 
world.  After Bali, there is no place, maybe Iceland...anyway 
take care of yourself.

From:
To: Board Goat
Date: Thu Nov 21 16:45:21 2002

Message:
Suck a wet ding dong 

From: allah head pig goddess
To: muhammad@burnsInHell.com
Subject: Islam's Most Famous Spokesman
Date: Thu Nov 21 19:01:21 2002

Message:
Quotes from Islam's Most Famous Spokesman, the Ayatollah 
Khomeini. Keep in mind he was the highest ranking muslim at the 
time.

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. 
However, he should not penetrate; sodomizing the child is OK. If 
the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be 
responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, 
however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The 
man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister. !?!?!?

Ayatollah Khomeini

It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would 
begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her 
father's home. Any father marrying his daughter 
so young will have a permanent place in heaven. !?!

Ayatollah Khomeini

A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and 
so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his 
orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own 
village; however, selling the meat to the next door village 
should be fine. !?!?!??!??!?

Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, 
Darol Elm, Gom, 
Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)


Commentary on the Koran and Islam
Mohammed promised his followers seven heavens in which:
They are to cohabit with demure virgins...as beauteous as corals 
and rubies...full-breasted maidens for playmates...in the 
gardens of delight.... They're to lie face to face on jeweled 
couches, and be serviced by immortal youths...young boys (smooth 
like pearls, for sex), their personal property, as comely as 
virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and made 
them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... 
We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. [The Koran 55:56; 
55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]
Each Muslim man, in exchange for a lifetime of mindless 
obedience, was to be rewarded after death with an unspecified 
number of pretty boys to bugger, plus eight heavenly houris, 
each more phallus-raising than the others and each endowed with 
the capacity to grow a new hymen after each bout of sexual 
recreation. The male chauvinist Muslim could thus satisfy his 
virginity fetish by deflowering them over and over again, for 
eternity. When one compares Mohammed's gardens of delight with 
the Christian heaven of harps and celibacy, it becomes apparent 
why significant numbers of Christian men turn Muslim while 
conversions the other way are almost non-existent.
William Harwood, Mythology's Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus, 248


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Subject: So are you sure you want to know about islam?

Date Posted: 12:34:30 10/03/02 Thu

  who fights against the Turks [Muslims]   should consider that 
he is fighting an enemy of God and a blasphemer of Christ, 
indeed, the devil himself  
Martin Luther (1483-1546) 

E. Grislis, 'Luther and the Turks', The Muslim World, Vol.LXIV, 
No.3 (July, 1974), p.183.

Gee, wonder what he knew that we don't?
------------------------------------------------------------
Muslim society looks profoundly repulsive   It looks repulsive 
because it is repulsive   A Westerner who claims to admire 
Muslim society, while still adhering to Western values, is 
either a hypocrite or an ignoramus, or a bit of both   Arab and 
Muslim society is sick, and has been sick for a long time.
Connor Cruise O'Brian, The Times (London), May 1989

Well he must be wrong, right?
-----------------------------------------------------------
They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as 
Christianity," Vines said. "Christianity was founded by the 
virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Undeniably, Christians 
have in the past committed many despicable acts in the name of 
God, but they did so in violation of scriptural teaching, not in 
fulfillment of it.
Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who 
had 12 wives., the
last one of which was a 9-year-old girl." Ouch.

Well muhammad (pigs shit on him) admitted being taken by Satan. 
And he did admit lusting for and screwing his child bride, hum.
------------------------------------------------------------
Muhammad encouraged his handful of followers to attack the 
caravans, kill the men, rape the women and bring the booty (20% 
for himself) to please Allah, while assuring them that if they 
are killed their rewards will be "young boys" (for sex!?), 
rivers of wine, and many hurries in the other world. All this is 
backed by Koran (Quran) and Ahadith.

OK the more I find out about islam, as a civilized Westerner I'm 
feeling sick. Can you blame me?
------------------------------------------------------------
Hadith; vol.1:234: states that Muhammad burned out people's eyes 
with hot irons. Hmmm... don't recall Jesus ever doing that, do 
you?

Hadith; vol.8:796: states that Muhammad deprived people of water 
until they died. 

Hadith; vol.1:28,301 vol.2:161: states that the majority of 
people in hell are women. 

Hadith; vol.9:162,163: Muhammad warned that dreams of black 
women meant disease was forthcoming. Black muslims today are so 
uninformed that they don't even understand that Muhammad had 
many black slaves and called them raisin heads (Hadith 
vol.1:662, vol.9:256 )

Well that was muhammad, not islam. Oh fuvking wait, muhammad was 
the founder of islam, the example. Starting to sound pretty evil 
to me. But I'm sure the islamic nations are doing well.
------------------------------------------------------------
President Pervez Musharraf :
"Islamic civilization is the most illiterate, most backward, 
most unhealthy, most unenlightened, most deprived and weakest of 
all the human race."

No amount of intellectual acrobatics performed by Muslim 
apologists can justify the intolerant and ruthlessness of 
Muhammad's religion.

Ah, guess not. It is as sick as muhammad's islam. But they have 
a holy place and are peaceful right?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Mecca? Mohammed prayed towards Jerusalem first,,, as his holy 
place but when the Jews rejected him as a prophet he turned to 
Mecca and had his murderous followers march around and kiss a 
rock that pagan Meccans had been worshipping long before 
Mohammed was born.

Islam was born in violence, expanded only by violence and will 
die in violence. To call it peaceful not even close to its roots 
nor Mohammed's intentions. Those who interpret it as such are 
ether ignoring is founding bloody history or simply lying to
themselves.

The forming picture is getting me ill. This evil can not still 
be going on?
-----------------------------------------------------------
No the murderous killers of 9-11 & the Bali bombers weren t all 
Baptist Mexican circus clowns. They were muslims, following the 
teachings of islam.

From: om/cf
To: above
Date: Thu Nov 21 20:51:15 2002

Message:
Excellent post! The reality is; Islamic terrorism is just that. 
The failure of so-called 'moderate' Muslims to LOUDLY speak out 
against their terrorist brethren answers any questions as to 
whether of not religion plays a role.

From: om/cf
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Nov 22 23:25:06 2002

Message:
of = or

From: Sister Jackie
To: Universe
Subject: Advocates Among Nations
Date: Mon Nov 25 07:33:10 2002

Message:
Advocates among nations, wisdom who take counsel for the nations 
of the earth.
Enhance the world knowledge of your love. All those who come in 
the name of the Almighty God, peace be still play not in the 
hands of satin and destroy Gods creations. Hope have mercy 
salvation, charity have mercy, love have mercy.
Allah is love, Allah is peace, Allah the creator of all the 
Universe.
Be aware of the trick analogy that satins sets forth for man 
kind.
The warning of Allah our God. Disobediences that sets forth the 
destruction of the world. There will be accountability for all 
man who trample on Gods creations. 


There shall be no winners in this war, death is death when any 
life is taken. 
Illusions of the mind when any one think that there will be a 
winner. 
Reigning of man sight, visioning mans theory of right.  Man that 
falls in the devil hands even after the warning of God, Allah 
all in one has given.
God is God, man is man. The virus snake that runs foe to foe.
Un clean thoughts that plague thy nations of God s creations. 
Tainted by satins demands. Murder is Murder one of God s 
commandments which man refuse to  live, trampling on God s 
creations.    

Men of all nations who wear the cloak, there will be only one 
winner on this earth, that is the almighty God. Which spoke man 
shall destroy its self.
Pimping minister thank you Jesus devil all those who come in the 
cloak of the hypocritical oath which they live upon all nations. 

May Allah our God faithfulness, be merciful to those who tamper 
with his creations. 
Every man shall feel the whip of thy God. Proclaim messages the 
source of peace that those come in the name of thy almighty God 
of all nations of the universe.
There shall be no second chances, battlefields of blood wasted, 
Greed and ignorance, descendants who brought great wealth, 
weakness of man, no man falls without shame. I reclaim the name 
of love, and good grace, be gone satin there is no rightful 
place for you upon this earth. Imbibing the spoken words of our 
God Allah, Children of the earth who disgrace the commandments 
of our almighty God Allah.
Derisions, of the holy grounds, the symbols of emblems that set 
before, the devil as he steals from the universes. The sounds of 
the roars of thunder, the ancient dust, have return. Open 
lynching, of the spoken words, will be deleted.

I ancient dust cry no more; Thy Allah our God shall return to 
claim his rightful Universe. Cry not for thy self, cry for the 
world, as it self destruct. Trampling on Allah our God s 
creations.  Spirits of thoughts, the birth of wisdom, 
spirituality, understandings, creations, life, death, love, 
cries of the earth. God that lives among, us all, the evolution 
of men. The man the great tool of civilization, which he stands.

Deterring, the responsibilities of mankind, the one, who stands 
behind, the treasures, of wisdom knowledge and understanding of 
Gods great love.
Sanctuary of all God s begging, the honor which is given to God.
Not taking any glory for self, sing the glory, of one creator, 
which is Allah our God.
Words not needed, the human kindness of the spirits, thoughts to 
conform great men, Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, words 
spoken from the heart. Its not man on the mountain, but the 
mountain, within the heart. Intellectual compelling of who s 
who, and its contributions of the earth, spiritual laws, which 
feel, my cup of the universe, empowerment of understanding, 
precondition of man, which thirst for God s throne, holy 
retellings, without fulfillment of the soul. My eyes, are 
blinded, by the using of love, The might the power has no honor, 
if the light has no halo of it s own thoughts.


In this prison, all the pretense of unity, who are they? Shades 
of insanity, listen as they destroy self. No humanity, insanity 
slips into the oh say can you see. Give me liberty are give me 
death. Can you hear, the bellowing of sin, calamity that no 
longer embrace truth. As the Oh say can you see. Cries with the 
torch, darkness, why have thou forsaken me. Can you hear the 
fading, celestial strings, Every man for self, don t blank. I 
want your bank account. Quiet as I speak. There is no justice, 
when it refuses to link, my account number, where I bank. Crying 
out to the ever lasting one. In the hope of vocal response. 
Pressures, placed upon the Universe.
Killing ones on self. Feed the people, Reverse Psychology, 
Satins plot.
Society programmed, infinity, exterminations, life, mama the man 
in the mask, is trying to kill me. Paradise my prison, 
Capitalistic dysfunctions,, Psychological lynching of all Gods 
children.


Self defeating, emotional extremist, dare savor momentary, 
mental genocide, exhale, you are breathing toxins, death by ones 
on hand, give me liberty are give me death. Instruments of 
carnal freedom, instant death  cloning the sip of death, 
confusions, who am I that lives? Servants to the serpents, who 
swears by oath, sophisticated , death by ones on hand.

From:
To: Sister Jackie
Date: Mon Nov 25 12:10:27 2002

Message:
You need to have a drink

From: Bush
To: You
Date: Tue Nov 26 15:33:30 2002

Message:
Im going to wrestling nude with Usama,Saddam and Tony Blair.
After that we shall fuck each others wifes.
The dinner will be cats from phillipins,dogs from Korea and 
minks from england.
All this will happend in the white house on thursday 19.00.

AND YOU ARE WITH US,IF NOT YOU ARE AGAINST ME! 

From: Facts Finder
To: Sister Jackie
Date: Wed Nov 27 21:40:08 2002

Message:
I saw you same post everywhere. Just reply me in your own 
opinion, not copy and post. I can do that too.

From: Sister Jackie
To: My Muslem Brothers and Sisters
Date: Thu Nov 28 00:20:25 2002

Message:
I dont believe in you anymore and you can kiss my ass

From: Marie
To: DQ
Date: Thu Nov 28 01:09:12 2002

Message:
Although we have had our "Differences" I sure hope you have a 
safe trip! Take your comp to the Philopines! Whatever you do, 
keep us informed on what is going on there! And Be safe! I 
surely wish you no harm! Even if you cant stand thee "AMERICAN 
WAY" that's the way we are. We can fight one minute and be 
respectful and kind the next. Complacent maybe...But we do NOT 
wish death on ANYBODY "Unless of course the attacked us", And I 
certainly do not wish it on you! Be safe! 

From: Marie
To:
Date: Thu Nov 28 01:19:27 2002

Message:
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!

From: Marie
To: All
Subject: Since I'm feeling Sentimental
Date: Thu Nov 28 02:03:51 2002

Message:
Happy Thanksgiving! And to the Victims families of 9-11-01 My 
thoughts and prayers are with you! You probably dont know it but 
people you have never met, are probably never going to meet, but 
who deeply care, have you in our prayers EVERY DAY!  Not just 
during the Holiday's, but it seems that the Holiday season is a 
time when we search deep in our hearts and extend a hand to you!
God be with you in this Holiday Season! And YOU ARE NEVER 
ALONE!!! We are with you, even though you havent, and probably 
wont ever meet us! 


And to ALL OUR MILITARY, our thoughts and prayers are with you, 
for what you are doing is more than you will ever know, or 
perhaps maybe you do. You keeping us safe, and putting an end to 
Terrorism is probably more than you ever knew you were going to 
get involved in, but you have kept us safe in the past and 
present, and won the battles before, and I KNOW YOU WILL AGAIN. 
God Be with YOU!!!! Happy Thankgiving! Wherever you are!!!

From:
To:
Date: Wed Dec 4 02:41:06 2002

Message:
Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists 
are so quick to commit suicide. Let's see now . .
No beer
No booze
No bars
No television
No cheerleaders
No baseball
No football
No basketball
No hockey
No golf
No tailgate parties
No hooters
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No lobster, shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
Rags for clothes and towels for hats
Constant wailing from the guy next door 
because he's sick and there are no doctors
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower
No chocolate chip cookies
No Christmas
You can't shave
Your wife can't shave
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey 
cooked over burning camel dung
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times
Your bride is picked by someone else
She ! smells just like your donkey
But your donkey has a better disposition
Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!

No mystery here


From: Helena
To: the dude above who didnt leave his name
Subject: Last post
Date: Wed Dec 4 19:42:50 2002

Message:
How Funny!

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: As the Dradel Turns.........
Date: Wed Dec 4 22:16:56 2002

Message:
"Hello...Hello.. Saddam? is that you? This is Arafat, no I don't 
have a flat..THIS IS YASSER ARAFAT!!" "Oh, my good egyptian 
terrorist friend, How are you and how much money do you 
want?" "Enough with the jokes Saddam, I am having trouble with 
my new cell phone, something about free long distance and all 
that, but anyway I need you to send me some of your best men, I 
have been forgotten and no one is left here, Sharon has blasted 
all of my best men to bits!!!" "I am sorry Yasser, I am under 
servailence by American spies. They are crawling all over the 
PALACE!! I am so MAD!! They even spit on my prayer rug and 
telling me it was going to be confiscated as a wepon of mass 
destruction!!!" "Saddam, I am so outraged! Sharon has had me 
eating bagels for almost a YEAR now and I cant take a dump 
anymore with out drinking a gallon of water first!!" "Tell me 
about it Yasser, Colin Powel has kept poking me with his damn 
mag light and telling me bad jokes about YOU!! it is an out 
rage!!!"

From: Helena
To: Get a grip
Subject: your post
Date: Fri Dec 6 10:02:46 2002

Message:
That was about LAME, man.

From:
To:
Subject: R.I.P.
Date: Fri Dec 6 12:52:48 2002

Message:
Here lies the Afghan board. 
Born 9-11-01 --- Died 12-6-02
Cause of death,
shit eating pervert that spammed it daily.

May it Rest In Peace


From: om/cf
To: Helena
Subject: It must be said; Your dumber than a box of rocks....
Date: Fri Dec 6 23:01:17 2002

Message:
~~~That was about LAME, man.~~~

OOOOOUCH! Such biting, well thought out critism coming from such 
a intellectual mind......well, it must really, really hurt. Get 
a Grip must be devestated! Pass the J and pull the needle out of 
your arm and maybe in a hour or two, you will suddenly be 
creative and give a shit - about anything. LAME indeed.

From: kim911
To: all the haters in the world
Subject: hate
Date: Sat Dec 7 00:54:21 2002

Message:
I just don't know how come everyone is blaming everyone in every 
country for ,the work of one man and his groupies, I feel we 
need to get him and just kill him and not take it out on his 
whole country the women and childern and the inocent men , ya 
know not all are to blame,,, and i hate him even more because 9-
11 is also my birthday ,so I hope he is found and im sure he 
will rot in hell for ever,,,,,just my opion

From: American
To: all
Subject: 9/11
Date: Sat Dec 7 10:59:16 2002

Message:
www.politicsandprotest.org

From: kim911
To: american
Subject: website
Date: Sat Dec 7 19:46:48 2002

Message:
WOW,,is about all i can say about the website you put in. if it 
does not make people wake up and stop all the fighting,and just 
try to get along with each other then i don't think they want 
peace either,maybe they should go join the others on the other 
side,when i was listening to the music and seeing all the 
pictures and the faces on the people there at the site it 
brought me back to that day and i felt the pain all over again, 
but if some of the people who write in here would just take the 
time to look at the website and just see the faces on the 
people. maybe then they will feel the peace in their hearts,and 
try to love everyone for who they are not where they come from 
thank you again peace to you and be safe,,,,

From: Merlyn Wizard
To:
Subject: Payback Is a bitch
Date: Sat Dec 7 23:08:58 2002

Message:
DHAKA, Bangladesh    Bombs tore through four movie theaters 
packed with Muslims celebrating the end of Ramadan on Saturday, 
killing at least 15 people and wounding 200, police and 
witnesses said.

  
 
 
 
The bombs went off within 30 minutes of each other starting at 
about 6 p.m., and were believed planted in the projection rooms 
of the theaters, a police official said on condition of 
anonymity. 

Many of the victims were injured by falling bricks or steel. 
The death toll could rise because some of the wounded were in 
critical condition, doctors said.

The movie theaters in the town of Mymensingh, about 70 miles 
north of the capital Dhaka, were crowded with people 
celebrating Eid-al-Fitr, the Islamic festival marking the end 
of Ramadan. About 3,000 people were believed to be inside and 
around the theaters when the explosions occurred.

"It was a terrible scene. Doctors were overwhelmed with so many 
injured people being brought at the hospital," said Muzahed 
Ahmed, a university teacher who took part in the rescue work.

A local television channel reported that a fifth explosion at a 
movie theater outside Mymensingh, but police denied that.

No one claimed responsibility for the blasts. Police chief 
Modabbir Hossain Chowdhury said the explosions appeared to 
be "the works of an organized group," but did not identify any 
suspects.

Ten people were killed instantly, while five others died on way 
to a hospital, a local resident quoted doctors as saying. 
Jahangir Alam, a journalist, was standing near one of the 
theaters before the explosions occurred. There were dead from 
at least three of the theaters.

"I heard a big bang and then saw many people running for 
shelter," Alam told The Associated Press by phone. "There were 
bodies lying in blood and many injured crying for help."

Hospital officials have appealed for blood donations to treat 
the injured. Hundreds of relatives gathered outside the 
government hospital and several others to get information about 
their loved ones.

One bomb exploded as people came out of a movie theater after a 
show. Movies were on at the time of the explosions.

Similar bombings of a theater and a circus show killed six 
people and wounded 200 in September in the southwest.

From:
To:
Date: Sat Dec 7 23:30:55 2002

Message:
what will tommorrow bring .......   

From:
To:
Date: Sun Dec 8 18:59:25 2002

Message:
Personally I think we have given terrorists to much regconition 
for the yellow stripes that run down their backs....They come to 
our country looking for a better life, seeking wealth and escape 
from poverty, we take them in with open arms, treat them like 
humans expecting the same in return....the more we rant and rave
about these people the more they feed and the worse they seem to 
get.....we  should all try something new....look close at your 
neighbor....take note, watch listen and learn...

From: An American who read the Koran
To: Muslims and Terrorists
Date: Mon Dec 9 00:25:33 2002

Message:
You dont actually believe that shit do you? Seriously!

From: Helena
To: om/cf
Date: Mon Dec 9 11:44:33 2002

Message:
Oh om/cf you must have liked that posting that i commented on. 
Im so sorry. And because i comment on a post using the 
word "lame" means i use drugs?  Haha ok, whatever.  These guys 
put "lame" "dumbass" shit in these posts all the time and when i 
comment on them I'm the one on drugs?? Why not them?  Anyway, 
have a nice day everyone!

From: all
To: all
Subject: Definition
Date: Tue Dec 10 12:03:41 2002

Message:
Terrorist , Arabs with a tiny brain, who have never achieved 
anything in their lives, therefore they see their life as 
useless , which it is , so they blow themselves up.

From: MyMind
To: Any Other Mind
Subject: Power
Date: Mon Aug 12 12:25:02 2002

Message:
This written on the 24th day of November, 2002.

  Written to state on this record that long before this day 
there were many, including myself,
that knew the real truth concerning horrific events and who the 
people where that were truly behind them.
These things are not things we know because of having any type 
of knowledge of the events prior to them happening. 
Knowing of them is due to being one of the few that are able to 
think, and reason, with our own minds.
We see the actions of our president and his hand picked 
government. We see his lies and his lust for power.
We see these things because they are so evident to anyone that 
still has control of their own thoughts.
We hear him say things that have been chosen for him to say, or 
act out. All in the name of gaining more power.
His greed for that power is overwhealming to even himself. So 
overwhealming that he has, is, 
and will go to any length to get more. Any length. 

  We do not need experts to tell our minds what to think. Our 
minds think very well without the outside thoughts that lie.
Have you ever seen something on the news and thought of it in 
certain ways, then realized when the experts
told you what to think that their thoughts are the ones you 
should agree with instead of you own?
Have you ever had that tiny moment that passes as your mind 
tries to tell you that the experts story somehow
does not fit the things that you just whitnessed for yourself? 
Then for some reason you ignor that and agree with the
so called "experts" regardless? Does our government pay 
these "exerts" to convince us of these lies?

  There are things that we witness that need no explaination 
from any outside thought. If I see a man standing outside 
store that guns down another man. I need no explaination as to 
why, how, or what is to be thought of this. My mind knows
from seeing it that someone was killed. A life has been taken by 
another that had no right to take that life. 
No matter what the experts reason. 

   One day we all witnessed many lives being taken. We watched 
as jets slammed into two of the tallest buildings in
the world. We cried from within our very souls, knowing so many 
were diing at that very moment.
The truth was never told. Instead we were fed lie after lie 
until our minds believed
the ones that lied. Not only do most people believe the lies, 
they stand strongly behind the very power that 
constructed those lies. Most Americans may never become aware 
that those responsible are the very people within our 
own highest government, the very same powers that constructed 
the lies long before the events ever took place.
It was all done in the name of Power, and greed.

  Those that we were told were responsible seemed to fit in our 
minds.. How were we to know what to think? 
Those that planned this knew that the mass majority would fall 
for whatever lies could be constructed, if done correctly.  
What I was told to think is not what my mind sees. The lies do 
not fit the events. If doing something like
what had been done was truly so easy as the lies would have us 
believe then are we really so strong?
My thoughts are not what have been planted in me.  There is a 
super corrupt power in our highest offices of power
right now and no one sees it?? I wonder if enough of us ever 
will.  

  I ask myself questions about that day.  I began asking them as 
the events unfolded live, on world wide television.
The questions I ask have few answers that make any sense. One 
thought stands out. As it comes together that thought
makes sense more and more. To me there is only one correct 
reasoning thought.  That thought is not one that is 
being thought for me.  The experts thoughts do not make sense to 
me. Because I truly question them. If it seemed
right I would not have to question so many. Here is some of my 
questions that came to be as the very events unfloded.

  How did the planes ever go so far off course in such a heavily 
radar protected area for so long, between Boston
and New York City, without any of the so called experts that are 
running our radars ever even noticing?  How did 
the planes get into, or even anywhere near, the busiest air 
traffic space in the world without going unnoticed?  
My answer remains the same as it was that day. They were not 
supposed to notice. They feared whatever would be done 
to them if they took notice and did something about it.  Who 
could induce such fear?  The president of Iraq? A terrorist
from Afganistan? I know that is not the case. Were these so 
called radar experts paid enough money to just let these
planes continue to run directly into such a populated city that 
they cared nothing for what was to eventually happen
to those planes. My answers to these and many other questions 
that are ever present in my mind go unanswered by the 
medias "experts". I am however able to reason for myself. Not 
simple reason but reasoning with much thought. 
Reasoning that has sensable explaination.
 
  How much would it take for a human being to know this was 
happening and not say anything? Can they go forever without
saying anything? Can they live the rest of their lives? Have any 
of them died recently, unexpectedly?
Somehow someone must know that the ones behind the horrific 
events of that day are within our own very highest offices
of power. The reasons for the destrution are unfolding as I 
write. The president belongs to organizations  
of exteme power. They have so much power that they easily 
manipulate our president and those he has appointed to be 
at his side, in order to bring them even more of that power they 
hunger so deeply for. No matter what it takes. No matter
who is killed. No matter what has to be done to prove their 
point.. Our president now heads that power.
 
  Those having control of this power attempt to prove a point to 
another power that they seek. That power is the leader
of Iraq. He has been the enemy of the Bush family and their 
flunkies for many many years. Now we, the people of the 
united states of America, are being manipulated into thinking 
thoughs that are planted into our minds. Manipulated  
so strongly that we have no worries whatsoever about the people 
that stand to lose their lives. We are so convinced 
that we do not care even in the slightest about those that will 
mourn losses of those they love. Children of poor
families will become all the poorer. Evil will become stronger. 
Maybe too strong to fight...
  
  Those in control of the power seek more power. The point being 
made is being made by showing that they have such exteme
power that they can not only destroy lives and cities within 
their very own country, but they then have the power needed 
to make the very people they attacked think a total lie is pure 
truth. The power being shown now is the power to 
manipulate the thoughts of our countries own people. However, 
The more thoughts they control, the more thoughts they need
to control.
 
  I am hoping that one day this will be their undoing. That one 
day someone will be able to start telling of the lies.
I am hoping that one day the truth will be believed. I am hoping 
that by the time this happens 
it will not have already become too late to fix. If it is not 
already too late.   

 How does anyone convince a huge people that they have been lied 
to? I have seen how. I see it every day through the mouths
of the medias "experts". How does anyone show so many people 
that are deeply programmed, and brainwashed, that they are not
being told truths by the ones that have lead them down that 
path. It Amazes me how the the real truths are not so easily 
believed. It amazes me how peoples minds just are not able to 
think anymore.

  Let it be known that on November 24, 2002. The truth was 
known, at least by the one writting this. Our countries
own president and his government are responsible for the world 
trade center. They are responsible for the killing
of hundreds of thousands of totally inocent people. They are 
responsible for brainwashing an entire population.
They are responsible for the downfall of the United States Of 
America and the very people that are America.
They do this only in the name of greed, and lust for more power. 
They do this without a care that anyone dies. 
And the lies go on and on... The lies are so highly believed 
that the people of my own country think they are right to 
think lives of other inocent people should be snuffed out. One 
day they may see that the whole thing has been played
out over many many years. All in the name of lust for power. 

     Remember Hitler? Never ever forget Hitler...  Remember 
Bush. Never ever forget Bush or the flunkies by his side...
  One is worse than the other.  Use your mind. Figure it out. 
Lets put a stop to this. This is Our Country. All that are 
involved have committed the highest act of treason.
Yet they control the Armies.  The very Armies that they are 
trators to. Sounds funny that we ever allowed
the lies to happen. We must never ever allow the lies to happen 
again. We must never allow ourselfs to become
so totally brainwashed by our own government again. I do mean 
never again..



From:
To: Above
Date: Sun Dec 15 06:55:11 2002

Message:
YOUR SICK , GET HELP QUICKLY

From: MyMind
To: Above
Date: Sun Dec 15 14:54:37 2002

Message:
Would have been to nice to think that there might be hope for 
our country again.  What is it about the truth that is so much 
harder to believe than the lies you believe? Just rmember you 
seen the truth, that is why I put it up there. For you to see. 
and think about. Knowing most would bitch and not believe it. 
But at least it is known that some know. The sick one is not me, 
or those that know the truth. The sick ones are you, and the 
ones allowing my American Government to take such full control 
of you.. That is truly sick. I do not stand for lies. I am true 
america. I stand for freedom and the hope for a government that 
does not lie to it's own. That is what America wanted to be a 
very long time ago. You have lost track of that though. 

Our Nation has become the "Bow to us or we will blow you away" 
power. All based on lies told to it's own people to make them go 
along with it all. What do they call that?

  One time they called it Hitler...


  The future tells me that the next time it will be called Bush 
and the flunkies of power that stand with him.. Pay Attention!!!

Do you think I like saying that?  I am not happy about it at 
all!  Are you??

 For decades our government has covered up many many things that 
you know, and that we all know. In doing so over time one in 40 
of the conspiriracies have been discovered usually long after 
the fact and although they become known they remain unprovable.  
They count on that unprovable aspect.  And they have hundreds of 
flukies behind them to cover up any proof that may be there. 
They have flunkies in the media to manipulate you. It seems to 
be working very well too. They have flunkies in the general 
population to keep you believing the lies as well. You seem to 
be one of those flunkies. The people of my country, America, 
have lost track of what America came to be about and I doubt is 
ever going to be fixxable. Thanks to people like you that seem 
to be ok with the government having total control. You also seem 
to be ok with causing death. Every single day american people 
Kill american people. Kids shoot kids. Parents kill children. 
Children kill parents.. What War do you propose we wage on our 
own to stop our own from killing our own. As much of that 
happens as the death caused on that horrific day. All that 
killing. It is no different than the killing that took place on 
Sept 11.. No good will ever come from any killing. Be it the 
murders that take place, or the killing of those that have 
committed killings. Isn't it all the same? Kill and be killed 
til one day you are the one killed.  It all leads back sooner or 
later.

 Think of those that miss the one that have been killed.  Think 
of those that will miss the ones you would love to see killed.  
Does that make you good, or does that make you sick?  Who is 
sick? Give me a freakin break people... If I am sick it is thos 
like you that make me, and the entire freedom we used to value, 
sick.. I want to see our freedom healed. I do like seeing so 
many people of my own country so carefully controlled by lies 
our government controls.  If that makes me sick then don't try 
to heal me.. I will die with this sickness. It makes me a free 
person.. Are you that free?

From: My Mind
To:
Subject: Correction to above
Date: Sun Dec 15 16:37:20 2002

Message:
In the last sentance in the above post I missed the word "not"  
It should say "I do NOT like seeing so many people of my own 
country so carefully controlled by lies our government controls"

  Correction made, now go on with your lives until you snuff 
them out by your own doing....  

  Or get to work and make this country real again.  Make it 
America again. 

  One thing I often wonder when I see cars and trucks with 
something that resembles an american flag with the words "United 
we stand written under it.  If it is not the American flag it is 
not the flag I stand behind..  Resmembling my flag does not make 
it my flag.  Get it right people. My flag has 13 stripes of red 
and white.  50 stars of white on a blue background.  The ones I 
am speaking of are not that flag...  Take em off your damn 
vehicles because they are not american flags.  If you want to 
unite then unite with the true flag, not a flag that just 
resembles our own....  

From:
To:
Date: Sun Dec 15 20:49:21 2002

Message:
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From: Helena
To: The Flag Guy/Girl
Subject: The Flag
Date: Sun Dec 15 23:07:22 2002

Message:
That looked really cool. Nice Job! 

From: MyMind
To:
Subject: A Star Is Born
Date: Mon Dec 16 10:51:28 2002

Message:
Our government is uniting everyone alright. Now you know the 
great plan! The great control they have brought it to is now at 
the point where the 50 stars are all united close enough to 
become one big mighty star. 

  You know what flag has the one big star on it, don't you?
The terrible part is that barely anyone has mind enough left to 
know it to be the truth.

  I can't believe we all, Americans, just sit back and allow 
them to corrupt our mind. Make it so corrupt that we don't even 
know it to be so any longer.

  But anyway, I'm no expert or anything.......  Just an AMERICAN

From:
To: MyMind
Subject: Hmmmmmm
Date: Mon Dec 16 11:10:19 2002

Message:
To bad that poster doesn't have a talk radio program. He/She 
would put old Rush and the other government funded "Progamming" 
robots to shame!

From: MyMind
To: You up there^^^
Subject: No hmmm about it
Date: Mon Dec 16 11:35:17 2002

Message:
We all have the same wisdom, we are all just at higher, or 
lower levels of awareness to that wisdom.  Those that are at 
lower levels of their own thoughts, and wisdom, are the ones 
that have come to the point where they rely on other wisdom, 
from other minds, to give them what they think to be "true" 
thought, and wisdom...  

  That does not make them uneducated, or of lesser intelligence. 
It actually brings them to a higher intelligence because their 
education is highly programmed into them. 

 I would stand no chance in a debate with a programmer.. They 
are fed all sorts of perfect things to say from all sorts 
writters and advisors. They have a bottomless budget.I have only 
my mind, and my wisdom.  Those that have argued and lost have 
become less credible. The programmers that win became all the 
more powerful by gaining an even greater following. I am hoping 
to wake a few people up, not put more to sleep... Wish me luck, 
it may cause my demise as it has so many others that have wanted 
to make America America again... Those that refuse to wake up 
like to make those that are awake go away or be quiet. It would 
be nice to finally wake the real America though, We have alot of 
work to do and daylight is burning.. First order of business is 
getting rid of those in our highest governmet powers that have 
commited the highest acts treason to the American people and 
have gotten away with it for decades. 

   Here, Have some coffee...

From:
To:
Subject: wow
Date: Mon Dec 16 14:07:04 2002

Message:
Someone needs to give that dude his medication back...

From:
To:
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:24:41 2002

Message:
Isn't there some kind of "Amber Alert" for escaped mental 
patients? The implanted microchip should make 'em easy to find, 
unless they figure it out and wear tin-foil hats which block the 
signal, but then they stand out in a crowd.

From: MyMind
To: Hell I don't know!!!
Date: Wed Dec 18 10:21:56 2002

Message:
Nah, I wear the foil hat anyway. No one notices.  And I haven't 
escaped. But I'm working on it!  As for the medication, my pills 
are all sorts of pretty colors, so I keep em and melt them down 
to make paint so I can make beautiful paintings. You should stop 
in sometime, there are 2 of them in the lobby so you can see how 
nice they look...  Watch out for the subliminals though.  hehehe

  Hows that for credible?  Now go back to sleep...

From:
To: My Mind
Subject: The Future
Date: Wed Dec 18 15:52:03 2002

Message:
In the Future I see you in a Straight Jacket VERY soon!!!!

From: MyMind
To: Still don't know..
Subject: Tell us more about, "The Future"
Date: Wed Dec 18 18:24:16 2002

Message:
Ok, so what else do you see for the future? Any other american 
children being slaughtered by american children running lose in 
our streets? Any other moms that kill their kids because they 
have "Post whatever that is" depression?  Do you see freedom?  
Do you see control? I am interested in  listening to whatever it 
is that you have to tell us about these "future" things. How 
many Americans do Americans get to make dead before we realize 
the problem is not over in some sandy country full of religous 
followers of a faith we do ot follow. How many more children of 
this country must die?  Do you see any of those things in the 
Future?  No need to tell me a I am a nut case, I know that 
already for as the title says I know my mind...  Do you know 
yours?  By the way, I'll take that straight jacket, thanks...  
No more red pills though, I have lots of red.  I do need some 
green though. Ok?

From: Another Mind
To: Your Mind
Date: Wed Dec 18 21:54:29 2002

Message:
Very interesting that...I mean your feeble attempt at leading 
thoughts with no facts to back up your conspiritory allegations 
reguarding 09-11. It seems you've gotten nowhere. I guess the 
programmers have done their jobs well then, heh? CNN wins with 
facts and figures presented well; not physco-babble bullshit. 
Its a nice college experiment though.

From:
To: Your Mind
Date: Thu Dec 19 01:21:59 2002

Message:
Americans are done. They pride themselves on their ignorance. 
They pride themselves on the loss of religion. The only thing 
they have left is their money, and that is being taken away from 
them at billions per day in their sorry War on Terrorism.

From: MyMind
To:
Subject: Facts?
Date: Thu Dec 19 10:25:02 2002

Message:
Just so my thoughts are understood, and my reasoning for 
thinking on my own is known, I see very little factual 
information on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or any of the other programming 
networks. On this we agree, they do work very well. 

 What I do see, and hear on those "News" networks are plenty 
of "Expert" opinion. Opinions that are presented in such a 
manner that they do seem to be fact but in reality they are not. 
almost everything on any of the media concerning this is really 
just opinion. I have no more proof of a conspiricy than the 
people have that know a government backed conspiracy killed JFK. 
That too is opinion but it is opinion with strong "expert" 
backing so by some is now accepted as fact, yet there is little, 
or no known proof. That in its self is what makes it and any 
other unproveable conspiricies, opinion. 

  Where's the green pills, I am trying to paint the grassy 
Knoll??

  I'm not here to debate with anyone, The reponce from "another 
mind" is well recieved and taken in whole context. What you say 
is indeed fact. I agree.

 The question goes unanswered from the GREAT media and it's 
opinionated experts though. 

 "How did the planes ever go so far off course in such a heavily 
radar protected area for so long, between Boston
and New York City, without any of the so called experts that are 
running our radars ever even noticing?  How did 
the planes get into, or even anywhere near, the busiest air 
traffic space in the world without going unnoticed?" In fact the 
planes could not have possibly done this without someone seeing 
the course changes on radar. This may not have been a problem if 
there were just one plane. Possibly an emergency arose and the 
plane needed to head for an uncharted destination for that 
purpose. But there was not 1 plane, there were 4 at least that 
we know of.

 Was there an air traffic controller sitting on the edge of 
his/her seat somewhere wondering what he/she should do about 
this as he/she watched these planes head for their demise? There 
were 4 of them at least. 4 planes!  All hundreds of miles off 
course, some even making entire complete turn arounds to head 
for their unknown, uncharted, destination. Yet still un noticed 
and unreported until they crashed into their targets..  Oh yeah, 
all but one. And that was not because it was reported, it was 
because the people onboard descided they would die to stop that 
plane.  There we have America! 

  Who was running the air traffic control systems that day in 
the easern part of the country. Is it really a fact that 4 
planes are able to fly so far off course at speeds and altitudes 
that are not consistant with comercial air traffic even though 
they are known to be comercial traffic? The day this happened I 
emailed that question to our media, CNN, FOX. MSNBC, and a few 
others, some local, some national. To this very day that issue 
has not one time been addressed by those or any other media 
progams or their "experts". 

 That very question is where my thoughts of how this could have 
happened lie. At this point in time I no longer believe that 
just a spoken answer would be sufficiant. Proof is needed to 
show these planes were able to make the course adjustments 
without anyone at air traffic control or any other radar 
station, military or civilian, noticing, or questioning, it.

  For the answer to that real facts must be presented or my 
conspiracy opinion will remain in MyMind..

 Actually their are many other issues that point to conspiracy, 
but that air traffic control issue stands out, and is fact. 
People seen this happening, people watched it on radar screens 
across the east coast and at N.O.R.A.D.. However, they sat and 
did nothing. Nothing!  That is fact. The proof of that fact is 
the tradgety that we all watched live that terrible day...

  

From: Another Mind
To: Your Mind
Date: Sat Dec 21 00:36:01 2002

Message:
I'm not here to debate with anyone, The reponce from "another 
mind" is well recieved and taken in whole context. What you say 
is indeed fact. I agree.

-----------------------------------------------------

I was totally shitfaced and farting into the wind! Sound 
familiar? NEXT!! Step right on up!!


From:
To: all
Date: Mon Dec 23 10:07:54 2002

Message:
If you aren't a US citizen, you don't have the rights of a US 
citizen!
One Pilot's Perspective 

"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the
streets of this country that I love, that your color and 
culture still
blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this 
country. But
you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I 
notice you
because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, 
professing
to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow 
citizens and our
friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand 
their
grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the 
inhumanity of
their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners 
in my
country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and 
brutally
stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and 
crashed
them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving 
sons, wise
grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite 
coaches, fearless
public servants, and children's mothers.

So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want 
to be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has 
destroyed the
soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational 
American,
trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and 
unsafe world,
I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the 
Arab/Muslim
terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab Muslim Americans 
and the
Arab Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, 
enjoying
our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection 
of OUR
constitution, while they plot the next attack that will 
slaughter those
very same good neighbors and children? The events of September 
11th
changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine 
which of you
embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL 
of its
different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for 
every Arab
Muslim in
this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know 
whether
or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? 
Do you
proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do 
you pray in
your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation that 
He will
protect and prosper it?

Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of 
your "Jihads"? Are
you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A 
freedom
that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of 
patriots who
gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve 
this
freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? 
If this
is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know 
about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media 
at
this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions 
you are
taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United 
States of
America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the 
death of the
innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And 
no more
benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks 
because I
worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in 
any more
sympathy
...
I am only interested in action. What will you do for America, 
our great
country at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the 
streets. I
want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America". I want to see 
young Arab
Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a 
commitment of
money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and 
to this
nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to 
regarding
the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in 
Muslim
communities. You know them. You know where they are. Hand them 
over to
us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of 
action.
Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community 
close even
tighter.

You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed 
security
guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You 
have
screamed for protection from reprisals. The very few Arab Muslim
representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive 
and
equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that 
the United
States proves who was responsible before taking action. They 
seemed more
concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence 
directed
towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with 
supporting
our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, 
Farrakhan, and
Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and 
peace and
love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the 
Koran and
statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good 
is it if
the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when 
your "leaders"
are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and 
intolerance?

It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of 
the
world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly 
and adhere
to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been 
demonstrated
to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon 
a
foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose 
members are
recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose 
members
defended Johnny Cochran and 0. J. Simpson after the latter 
butchered his
wife and murdered an innocent friend. A form whose members 
(some as young
as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week 
out, year
after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning 
effigies of
our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons 
into the air.
A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to 
take up
arms against the great United States of America, the country of 
their
birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling 
members
refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in 
the name of
Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women 
proudly show
their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful 
whore?

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine 
with
dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims 
hate us
because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized 
democratic nation in
the entire middle east? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate 
us, then
why in the world are you even here?

Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our 
peace
and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to 
leave. I
want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are 
treated like
rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, 
and your
Family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE!

We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded 
mentality,
your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow 
the
attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take 
away that
which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest 
constitution in
the world.

I want to know where every Arab Muslim in this country stands 
and I
think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of 
this country
to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my 
brothers
and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is 
protecting
you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I 
want you
here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow 
American. But
there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your 
allegiance and it
is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand.
"Until then ... you worry me."


From:
To:
Subject: Above
Date: Tue Dec 24 04:12:22 2002

Message:
Very well said. I must say. Written for many. I hope it is read, 
and comprehended, by all.. 

 A neighbor of mine has taken that pledge, although he is an 
Arab American. 

 He is now an American for stating his intentions. I would stand 
next to him in battle, and he to you, if it were to come to 
that. 

 We are American. He and his family,do not worry me.. He took 
that moment on his own and told me himself. Any one else that 
stands with him, and us, are exected to do that same. Or suffer 
the predjudice. Because until it is said, we just do not know..

From: Chicozen
To:
Date: Fri Dec 27 02:23:17 2002

Message:
I took a break from the this web page...and still no intelligent 
people on the board...I guess I did not miss much...

From: Merlyn
To: U R A Cunt
Subject: you suck so bad
Date: Fri Dec 27 09:36:03 2002

Message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No one cares<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This board sucks so bad and takes so long to load that most have 
left unless thay know to clean the scum cookies from their hard 
drive. You, the spam sister of all time have been butt fucking 
this board with spam since day one, just so it will be slow to 
load. You are also the little weeeeeny that heckles anyone that 
posts on this stupid waste of a little rental message board. 
               >>>>>>no one cares little boy<<<<<<<<<<

All your effort to be a jackass has done nothing to me. So die 
out in your little piss ant perverted way, and remember........

                    Suck hard
                      and
                    Blow often! 
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri Dec 27 09:44:08 2002

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Muslim activists have been trying to convince African American 
citizens that Islam is the religion of the Black man, that Islam 
is African and that Mohammed was Black. Needless to say, Muslims 
only make these claims to Blacks; among Whites they take a 
different approach! 
Africa was not the Cradle of Islam 
Islam went to Africa relatively recently, and is not the 
predominant religion there. African Americans were most likely 
either Christians or Animists at the time they were brought to 
America. 
Christianity has been present in Africa since the first half of 
the first century. St. Mark, the writer of the Gospel of Mark 
was a North African Jew who preached the Gospel to Egypt. From 
there, Christianity spread all over North Africa, and to the 
south of Egypt's borders. The Eastern church raised to the level 
of sainthood many Africans, St. Moses the Black from Egypt and 
St. Tekla Himanote the Ethiopian and others. 

Mohammed was not a Black Man 

Mohammed was an Asian-Arab. You can't confuse an Asian-Arab with 
a Black- African. There are numerous evidences that Mohammed was 
actually WHITE!

Mohammed OWNED Black Slaves 

Mohammed owned several black slaves. Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya 
relies heavily on the prophet's biographies written by great 
ancient scholars. Therefore, he is regarded by Muslims as an 
authority, a primary source and a leader among the students of 
Islamic religion. This scholar tells us in his book, "Zad al-
Ma'ad" (part 1, pp. 114-116), the following: 

"These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, 
Aflah, 'Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala 
Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad'am, Karkara, Abu Rafi', Thawban, 
Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu 
Waqid, Kasam, Abu' Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and 
also a black slave called Mahran." 

Even in modern times, in Saudi Arabia the homeland of Islam, the 
common word for "Black" is "Abd" meaning slave. 
What was Mohammed's position on freeing the slaves? 

In one instance , a man freed a slave that he kept as a sexual 
partner. When Mohammed heard what happened, he auctioned the boy 
and sold him for 800 derhams to Na-eem Ebn Abdullah Al- Nahham. 
(Sahih Moslem vol. 7, page 83) 

According to Mohammed, the punishment for committing adultery is 
different between a free man, a free woman and a slave-woman. 
The man is to be flogged one-hundred stripes and be exiled for 
one year. The free woman must be stoned to death. But the slave-
woman (since she has a monetary value) will not be exiled or 
killed, she is to be flogged one-hundred stripes. If the 
violation is repeated, the slave-woman is to be sold.(Sahih Al 
Bukhary vol. 8:821 & 822) 

Islam Looked 'DOWN' on Blacks 

Islam is a religion, whose sacred Scriptures contain explicit 
denigrating remarks about Black people. 

Mohammed referred to Blacks as "raisin heads". (Sahih Al Bukhary 
vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256). 

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks 
are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47). 

Hence anyone can see that Islam is NOT the Haven of Freedom and 
Equality.

Finally to all our dear Black folks

Muslims DON'T care for your skin color, they are only using that 
to gain control over you. For if Muslims really care for 
Africans, why are African Muslims kidnapping their African 
Christian brothers these days in Sudan, butchering the weak and 
selling the healthy as slaves?


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To:
Date: Sun Dec 29 22:49:19 2002

Message:
"My wife wears really giant underpants! Sometimes, for fun, I 
put them on my head and run around the house yelling, "Look at 
me! Look at me! I have giant underpants on my head, la la la!"

From: CP
To: all
Subject: it
Date: Tue Dec 31 11:29:44 2002

Message:
Hello there guys! 













pump up the volume :)

From: francie hughes
To: everyone
Subject: terrisom
Date: Tue Dec 31 13:36:21 2002

Message:
What happend in new york and dc was sick and unbeliveible,i 
really could not belive what happend and my heart goes out 2 
those people affected by that day,but i would like 2 take this 
opertunity 2 tell people movements like the ira come under 
terriosts but its the british goverment which are the terriosts 

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