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From: Everyman
To: Get a grip
Subject: Euros
Date: Thu Jan 10 04:07:57 2002

Message:
Saw a nice Euro converter (in a shiny chrome case) for $40 bucks 
in an 'upscale' electronics store...

From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Apartments for Rent
Date: Thu Jan 10 07:09:17 2002

Message:
Apartments for Rent at upscale Camp X-Ray:6-by-8-foot rectangles 
with concrete-slab floors, simple roofs and sides of chain-link 
fencing that, officials admit, will probably let the rain in. 
Pets will be provided. No deposit required. Rent based on 
income. Length of Lease flexible. All utilities paid.


From: bajo
To: the world
Subject: dust-bin laden
Date: Sat Oct 6 15:06:46 2001

Message:
One thing everyone should realise is that this is not about the 
religion , innocent or misguided people, it is a personal issue 
between 'crap laden' and the states. Another thing is that we 
all know that the states is also full of crap; things they did 
in the past is definately catching up with them.

From: Get a grip
To: Paking heat
Subject: Pakistan
Date: Thu Jan 10 08:59:12 2002

Message:
Seems a bit o' camel dung and a match just isn't good enough 
anymore. Appears ara"fat" wants a bigger blast! C-4 otta do it, 
yes! that is much better, much less body parts left! Let's try 
one..Here little boy.. go get a girl pregnant. That's it now you 
qualify ! It's OK if your only 12! Here strap this on, here let 
me give you this little switch, all the rage in Martyr fashon. 
Well you see the match is just soo passe'. Now when you get in 
the middle of a jewish neighborhoos just pusn play! Here walk 
this way! He He . run run run... KaBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! 
splat,splat.
  WOW! Yes indeed! what a statement! Much better! That'el show 
the world what a proud and religios cause we are! Every one of 
those Jews will help us go to our god The great and "Merciful" 
Allah!! Vergins and Plentiful fruit!! Oh Yes! 
  Hey kid, come here, I need to talk to you.................

From: Justice
To: om/cf
Subject: Apartment for Rent
Date: Thu Jan 10 09:16:11 2002

Message:
Is there indoor plumbing or do I have to take a shit outside?  
Does it have crown molding?  Do you do a credit check?

From: Get a grip
To: Banjo
Subject: Crap
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:05:07 2002

Message:
And I come from Alabama with a Banjo on my knee..
Oh Bin Laden... don't you die too quick,
Kuz I wanna' come impale your ass with anthrax on a stick.
Ho He Ha HeHehe......oh! damn I craped my jeans laughing so 
hard..He He.......


From: omcf
To: Justice
Subject: Ahemm, Ahemm
Date: Thu Jan 10 10:09:26 2002

Message:
Did I mention the warm weather? No credit, bad credit, OK! 
Twenty four hour security on site as well.

From: Get a grip
To: Hotel Cuba
Subject: Vacancy!
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:10:48 2002

Message:
Hotel cuba ...we find Hotel california is all full up with drug 
addicts so Hotel Cuba will have to do. They jabbed it with their 
stelly knives but they just can't kill the beast!! He He!!! :)

From: John
To: om/cf
Date: Thu Jan 10 10:51:24 2002

Message:
Do you allow water beds?

From: Get a grip
To: Hotel
Subject: Reservations
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:59:46 2002

Message:
Well... the noise from the airport does kinda keep you awake. 
But the Ocean view is great except for the steel bars, but the 
stainless steel bucket is the best in toiletry. Everyone gets to 
join in with the fire hose shower and Hey! It's only second to 
Alkatraz!! The prepaired food is just out of this world, well it 
looks kinda that way. Bubba is waiting! make your reservation 
Now!! All travel expenses are paid by the US government and if 
you are reeeeel good you get free flyer miles to be in the big 
show at he court house. If you are a winner you get a trip to 
the new room with the electric chair!! and a Million volts!!!
What a deal! sighn up today!! He He OOOOOoooooooo MAN! 

From: omcf
To: John & All
Subject: Eeeeeks!
Date: Thu Jan 10 13:13:36 2002

Message:
Jan. 10     Beginning an unprecedented international transfer of 
hundreds of war prisoners, a plane carrying hooded and chained 
Taliban and al-Qaida detainees lifted off from Kandahar airport 
in southern Afghanistan on Thursday to fly to a U.S. Naval base 
in Cuba.
----------------------------------------------------------------

 All units have been rented, the new tenents are on their way 
and there is still soo much to be done! Not all of the 
decorative Razor Wire is in place yet. Rush, rush ,rush.
 Apparently the cement floors where not poured thick enough for
the weight of a water bed. Slight design flaw.
 I sure hope they like their new gated community.
  

From: Get a grip
To: New tennants
Subject: Soap on a roap
Date: Thu Jan 10 14:25:08 2002

Message:
There will be soap on a rope for those tennants that would like 
easy acess to Allah. Simply tie knot to shower head, insert neck 
and Swing!!! In other news, the room designer did a little Feng 
Shui, but forgot to provide a compass or direction for those who 
feel a need to bow to Allah. This could cause mass confusion and 
so all towels will be burned to avoid problems. Should you still 
feel the need to worship this directional reason to die you call 
Allah, simply run in circles, at some point you are sure to be 
facing Mecca. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Get a grip
Subject: A Country Rock....right between bin Laden's Eyes
Date: Thu Jan 10 15:08:42 2002

Message:
Aaah...the Eagles, old favourites of mine..."Osama...you can't 
hide you're lyin' eyes, and you're smile.....is a thin disguise."

From:
To:
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:25:41 2002

Message:
Arafat is a terrorist.

From: Get a Grip
To:
Subject: AraFart
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:42:55 2002

Message:
AraFart was found in bed with Usama! all while Saddam was doing 
the favors! Usama was upset when AraFart let loose a wet one and 
had to change his turban! 

From: Merlyn
To: Elizabeth
Subject: fun
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:42:55 2002

Message:
Hey it's a little more crude & rude.........but that's why there 
is Get a grip!!!!!!! Smiles:)
     Merlyn /|\

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Amazed
Subject: Euro Stuff...
Date: Thu Jan 10 15:35:40 2002

Message:
Sir Edward Heath, British Conservative Prime Minister from 1970-
74, serving Member of Parliament for over 50 years, 'father' of 
the House of Commons, has been and still is, a staunch European 
idealist, and I do admire him. He still travels all over Europe. 
He served during WWII, having travelled the world extensively, 
prior to that, he saw what was happening in Germany at that 
time, and was aware of the underlying reasons why WWII took 
place, aside from Hitler's ambitions. Europe was too divided, 
hence rivalries between countries within it, that have gone on 
for centuries, erupted yet again 1939. Since then, he's been in 
favour of European economic and monetary union. 

The European Community was set up to try to prevent such 
rivalries reoccurring. Now that's all very well, but Britain is 
an island nation, not strictly European, nevertheless..we joined 
anyway. From a man such as Mr.Heath who has seen much in his 
time, politically, now ex-tory M.P. and critic of his former 
Party for it's recent worrying moves to the right,...I would 
find the time to listen to.

I say all this, because I'm fully aware...thank you...of the 
arguments both for...and against.
 
However, what I won't do, is listen to someone who says that 
European Political and Monetary Union is ....inevitable. That's 
a very dangerous presumption sir! If things such as this are SO 
inevitable, as you claim, it's apparantly pointless people 
voting! Wow!...great idea!...are you going to try to get rid of 
DEMOCRACY, while you're at it? WE in Britain..still have a 
choice....sorry! I reserve the right to that choice. 

Economic stabilty?...maybe you haven't noticed, but OUR country 
is ALREADY stable, did you miss the figures on high street 
spending this Christmas?, check the unemployment levels 
lately?..the lowest for decades. The 'independant' Bank of 
England in tandem with the Chancellor have learnt to avoid the 
boom/bust cycle of previous decades. But..all we need now is 
some UNELECTED Brusells official telling us how to run our 
economy, by setting interest rates that suit them. Great Idea.

The Euro may or may not be a success, it's value may indeed rise 
over time, but right now I'd RATHER use Monopoly money. 

Hey, Amazed!!, you rolled an eight, let's 
see...1,2,3,4,5,6,7..8!...Community Chest!...allow me to turn 
card over...what does it say now?......


Congratulations!!...you've won second prize in a beauty contest!

.....Here's your 10 Euros.     

From: om/cf
To:
Date: Thu Jan 10 18:53:43 2002

Message:
Live Rates as of 2002.01.10 23:35:49 GMT.  
1.00 EUR
Euros   =   0.619808 GBP
United Kingdom Pounds 
1 EUR = 0.619808 GBP   1 GBP = 1.61340 EUR

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Date: Thu Jan 10 19:09:43 2002

Message:
Amazed asked for Euro's not Pounds...guess by the latest 
exchange rates, he'll only get 9 and a half now, and THAT'S just 
since my last post.

And yes, an eventful take-off at Khandahar airport,...but all 
safely off to the Guantanamo Hilton!

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Home away from Home..........
Date: Thu Jan 10 20:30:52 2002

Message:
Thats our motto at the Guantanamo Hilton! Every guest is 
special and are treated as such. Business is soon to be booming 
and a large addition is in the works to accomadate up to 2000 
road weary travelers. You can travel the world over, commiting 
terrorist acts, but you will not find higher quality chain link 
fencing and razor wire anywhere.
 Cuba! Great cigars! Hot blooded Latin women! Umbrella drinks!
Great Beaches! Sailing! Diving! Jet skis!
 Our guests will be treated to none of the above! Mostly 
interrogations, sometimes intense in nature. And I sure hope our
guests do not try to leave prematurely. Guantanamo Bay is 
located on the south side of Cuba with lots of water in between 
the next island. And the north is surrounded by 17 and a half 
miles of fence, similar fence on the Cuban side, and a minefield 
in between. 
 "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave".

From: open mind/closed fist
To:
Subject: Guantanamo Hilton elevator musac
Date: Thu Jan 10 22:56:46 2002

Message:
Artist: OM/CF (Beach boys) 
Album: Missles (Still Crusin')
Title: Guantanamo (KoKomo) 
 

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna take ya
Bermuda, Bahama come on now Osama
Key Largo, Montego asshole why don't you go
Jamaica

Off the Florida Keys
There's a place called Guantanamo
That's where you need to go to get away from it all

Bodies laying in the sand
Tiny pecker melting in your hand
We'll be killing you
To the rhythm of a steel drum band
Down in Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna kill ya
In Bermuda, Bahama come out now Osama
Key Largo, Montego dumbass why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll kill you slow
That's where you need to go
Way down to Guantanamo

To Martinique, that Monserrat mystique

We'll put out to sea
And we'll perfect our trajectory
By and by we'll defy a little bit of gravity

Afternoon delight
Asskickins and spotlight nights
That fucked up look in your eyes
Give me a tropical contact high

Way down in Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna kill ya
To Bermuda, Bahama come out now Osama
Key Largo, Montego raghead why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll  kill you slow
That's where you need to go
Way down to Guantanamo

Port Au Prince I wanna catch a glimpse

Osama needs to know
A little place like Guantanamo
Now if you have to go
And get away from it all
Go down to Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna kill you
To Bermuda, Bahama step on up Osama
Key Largo, Montego al-Queda why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll kill you slow
That's where you need go
Way down to Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo aint gonna take ya
To Bermuda, Bahama your really fucked Osama
Key Largo, Montego al-Queda why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Jan 11 01:04:19 2002

Message:
Billboard magazine says,"With those ever popular harmonies,and 
the subject matter alone,guarantee a number one with a bullet!"

 HOW CAN YA MISS?   

From: Loser terrorist
To: My Infidel Captors
Subject: food/prayer
Date: Fri Jan 11 01:59:45 2002

Message:
Will we get rice and beans in cuba ?  And I need one ofd those 
little rug thingies to kneel on when I pray.

From: Ahsraf
To: Bob Driscoll
Subject: OOOH THE ISRAELITES!
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:34:12 2002

Message:
eeo

From: Ahsraf
To: Bob Driscoll
Subject: bob
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:40:48 2002

Message:
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Everyman 
To: Get a grip 
Subject: Euros 
Date: Thu Jan 10 04:07:57 2002 
Message:
Saw a nice Euro converter (in a shiny chrome case) for $40 bucks 
in an 'upscale' electronics store...

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: om/cf 
To: 
Subject: Apartments for Rent 
Date: Thu Jan 10 07:09:17 2002 
Message:
Apartments for Rent at upscale Camp X-Ray:6-by-8-foot rectangles 
with concrete-slab floors, simple roofs and sides of chain-link 
fencing that, officials admit, will probably let the rain in. 
Pets will be provided. No deposit required. Rent based on 
income. Length of Lease flexible. All utilities paid.



-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: bajo 
To: the world 
Subject: dust-bin laden 
Date: Sat Oct 6 15:06:46 2001 
Message:
One thing everyone should realise is that this is not about the 
religion , innocent or misguided people, it is a personal issue 
between 'crap laden' and the states. Another thing is that we 
all know that the states is also full of crap; things they did 
in the past is definately catching up with them.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Get a grip 
To: Paking heat 
Subject: Pakistan 
Date: Thu Jan 10 08:59:12 2002 
Message:
Seems a bit o' camel dung and a match just isn't good enough 
anymore. Appears ara"fat" wants a bigger blast! C-4 otta do it, 
yes! that is much better, much less body parts left! Let's try 
one..Here little boy.. go get a girl pregnant. That's it now you 
qualify ! It's OK if your only 12! Here strap this on, here let 
me give you this little switch, all the rage in Martyr fashon. 
Well you see the match is just soo passe'. Now when you get in 
the middle of a jewish neighborhoos just pusn play! Here walk 
this way! He He . run run run... KaBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! 
splat,splat.
  WOW! Yes indeed! what a statement! Much better! That'el show 
the world what a proud and religios cause we are! Every one of 
those Jews will help us go to our god The great and "Merciful" 
Allah!! Vergins and Plentiful fruit!! Oh Yes! 
  Hey kid, come here, I need to talk to you.................

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Justice 
To: om/cf 
Subject: Apartment for Rent 
Date: Thu Jan 10 09:16:11 2002 
Message:
Is there indoor plumbing or do I have to take a shit outside?  
Does it have crown molding?  Do you do a credit check?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Get a grip 
To: Banjo 
Subject: Crap 
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:05:07 2002 
Message:
And I come from Alabama with a Banjo on my knee..
Oh Bin Laden... don't you die too quick,
Kuz I wanna' come impale your ass with anthrax on a stick.
Ho He Ha HeHehe......oh! damn I craped my jeans laughing so 
hard..He He.......



-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: omcf 
To: Justice 
Subject: Ahemm, Ahemm 
Date: Thu Jan 10 10:09:26 2002 
Message:
Did I mention the warm weather? No credit, bad credit, OK! 
Twenty four hour security on site as well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Get a grip 
To: Hotel Cuba 
Subject: Vacancy! 
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:10:48 2002 
Message:
Hotel cuba ...we find Hotel california is all full up with drug 
addicts so Hotel Cuba will have to do. They jabbed it with their 
stelly knives but they just can't kill the beast!! He He!!! :)

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: John 
To: om/cf 
Date: Thu Jan 10 10:51:24 2002 
Message:
Do you allow water beds?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Get a grip 
To: Hotel 
Subject: Reservations 
Date: Thu Jan 10 11:59:46 2002 
Message:
Well... the noise from the airport does kinda keep you awake. 
But the Ocean view is great except for the steel bars, but the 
stainless steel bucket is the best in toiletry. Everyone gets to 
join in with the fire hose shower and Hey! It's only second to 
Alkatraz!! The prepaired food is just out of this world, well it 
looks kinda that way. Bubba is waiting! make your reservation 
Now!! All travel expenses are paid by the US government and if 
you are reeeeel good you get free flyer miles to be in the big 
show at he court house. If you are a winner you get a trip to 
the new room with the electric chair!! and a Million volts!!!
What a deal! sighn up today!! He He OOOOOoooooooo MAN! 

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: omcf 
To: John & All 
Subject: Eeeeeks! 
Date: Thu Jan 10 13:13:36 2002 
Message:
Jan. 10     Beginning an unprecedented international transfer of 
hundreds of war prisoners, a plane carrying hooded and chained 
Taliban and al-Qaida detainees lifted off from Kandahar airport 
in southern Afghanistan on Thursday to fly to a U.S. Naval base 
in Cuba.
----------------------------------------------------------------

 All units have been rented, the new tenents are on their way 
and there is still soo much to be done! Not all of the 
decorative Razor Wire is in place yet. Rush, rush ,rush.
 Apparently the cement floors where not poured thick enough for
the weight of a water bed. Slight design flaw.
 I sure hope they like their new gated community.
  

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Get a grip 
To: New tennants 
Subject: Soap on a roap 
Date: Thu Jan 10 14:25:08 2002 
Message:
There will be soap on a rope for those tennants that would like 
easy acess to Allah. Simply tie knot to shower head, insert neck 
and Swing!!! In other news, the room designer did a little Feng 
Shui, but forgot to provide a compass or direction for those who 
feel a need to bow to Allah. This could cause mass confusion and 
so all towels will be burned to avoid problems. Should you still 
feel the need to worship this directional reason to die you call 
Allah, simply run in circles, at some point you are sure to be 
facing Mecca. 

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: U.K.Citizen 
To: Get a grip 
Subject: A Country Rock....right between bin Laden's Eyes 
Date: Thu Jan 10 15:08:42 2002 
Message:
Aaah...the Eagles, old favourites of mine..."Osama...you can't 
hide you're lyin' eyes, and you're smile.....is a thin disguise."

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: 
To: 
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:25:41 2002 
Message:
Arafat is a terrorist.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Get a Grip 
To: 
Subject: AraFart 
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:42:55 2002 
Message:
AraFart was found in bed with Usama! all while Saddam was doing 
the favors! Usama was upset when AraFart let loose a wet one and 
had to change his turban! 

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: Merlyn 
To: Elizabeth 
Subject: fun 
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:42:55 2002 
Message:
Hey it's a little more crude & rude.........but that's why there 
is Get a grip!!!!!!! Smiles:)
     Merlyn /|\

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: U.K.Citizen 
To: Amazed 
Subject: Euro Stuff... 
Date: Thu Jan 10 15:35:40 2002 
Message:
Sir Edward Heath, British Conservative Prime Minister from 1970-
74, serving Member of Parliament for over 50 years, 'father' of 
the House of Commons, has been and still is, a staunch European 
idealist, and I do admire him. He still travels all over Europe. 
He served during WWII, having travelled the world extensively, 
prior to that, he saw what was happening in Germany at that 
time, and was aware of the underlying reasons why WWII took 
place, aside from Hitler's ambitions. Europe was too divided, 
hence rivalries between countries within it, that have gone on 
for centuries, erupted yet again 1939. Since then, he's been in 
favour of European economic and monetary union. 

The European Community was set up to try to prevent such 
rivalries reoccurring. Now that's all very well, but Britain is 
an island nation, not strictly European, nevertheless..we joined 
anyway. From a man such as Mr.Heath who has seen much in his 
time, politically, now ex-tory M.P. and critic of his former 
Party for it's recent worrying moves to the right,...I would 
find the time to listen to.

I say all this, because I'm fully aware...thank you...of the 
arguments both for...and against.
 
However, what I won't do, is listen to someone who says that 
European Political and Monetary Union is ....inevitable. That's 
a very dangerous presumption sir! If things such as this are SO 
inevitable, as you claim, it's apparantly pointless people 
voting! Wow!...great idea!...are you going to try to get rid of 
DEMOCRACY, while you're at it? WE in Britain..still have a 
choice....sorry! I reserve the right to that choice. 

Economic stabilty?...maybe you haven't noticed, but OUR country 
is ALREADY stable, did you miss the figures on high street 
spending this Christmas?, check the unemployment levels 
lately?..the lowest for decades. The 'independant' Bank of 
England in tandem with the Chancellor have learnt to avoid the 
boom/bust cycle of previous decades. But..all we need now is 
some UNELECTED Brusells official telling us how to run our 
economy, by setting interest rates that suit them. Great Idea.

The Euro may or may not be a success, it's value may indeed rise 
over time, but right now I'd RATHER use Monopoly money. 

Hey, Amazed!!, you rolled an eight, let's 
see...1,2,3,4,5,6,7..8!...Community Chest!...allow me to turn 
card over...what does it say now?......


Congratulations!!...you've won second prize in a beauty contest!

.....Here's your 10 Euros.     

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: om/cf 
To: 
Date: Thu Jan 10 18:53:43 2002 
Message:
Live Rates as of 2002.01.10 23:35:49 GMT.  
1.00 EUR
Euros   =   0.619808 GBP
United Kingdom Pounds 
1 EUR = 0.619808 GBP   1 GBP = 1.61340 EUR

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: U.K.Citizen 
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist 
Date: Thu Jan 10 19:09:43 2002 
Message:
Amazed asked for Euro's not Pounds...guess by the latest 
exchange rates, he'll only get 9 and a half now, and THAT'S just 
since my last post.

And yes, an eventful take-off at Khandahar airport,...but all 
safely off to the Guantanamo Hilton!

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: om/cf 
To: U.K.Citizen 
Subject: Home away from Home.......... 
Date: Thu Jan 10 20:30:52 2002 
Message:
Thats our motto at the Guantanamo Hilton! Every guest is 
special and are treated as such. Business is soon to be booming 
and a large addition is in the works to accomadate up to 2000 
road weary travelers. You can travel the world over, commiting 
terrorist acts, but you will not find higher quality chain link 
fencing and razor wire anywhere.
 Cuba! Great cigars! Hot blooded Latin women! Umbrella drinks!
Great Beaches! Sailing! Diving! Jet skis!
 Our guests will be treated to none of the above! Mostly 
interrogations, sometimes intense in nature. And I sure hope our
guests do not try to leave prematurely. Guantanamo Bay is 
located on the south side of Cuba with lots of water in between 
the next island. And the north is surrounded by 17 and a half 
miles of fence, similar fence on the Cuban side, and a minefield 
in between. 
 "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave".

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
From: open mind/closed fist 
To: 
Subject: Guantanamo Hilton elevator musac 
Date: Thu Jan 10 22:56:46 2002 
Message:
Artist: OM/CF (Beach boys) 
Album: Missles (Still Crusin')
Title: Guantanamo (KoKomo) 
 

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna take ya
Bermuda, Bahama come on now Osama
Key Largo, Montego asshole why don't you go
Jamaica

Off the Florida Keys
There's a place called Guantanamo
That's where you need to go to get away from it all

Bodies laying in the sand
Tiny pecker melting in your hand
We'll be killing you
To the rhythm of a steel drum band
Down in Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna kill ya
In Bermuda, Bahama come out now Osama
Key Largo, Montego dumbass why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll kill you slow
That's where you need to go
Way down to Guantanamo

To Martinique, that Monserrat mystique

We'll put out to sea
And we'll perfect our trajectory
By and by we'll defy a little bit of gravity

Afternoon delight
Asskickins and spotlight nights
That fucked up look in your eyes
Give me a tropical contact high

Way down in Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna kill ya
To Bermuda, Bahama come out now Osama
Key Largo, Montego raghead why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll  kill you slow
That's where you need to go
Way down to Guantanamo

Port Au Prince I wanna catch a glimpse

Osama needs to know
A little place like Guantanamo
Now if you have to go
And get away from it all
Go down to Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo I wanna kill you
To Bermuda, Bahama step on up Osama
Key Largo, Montego al-Queda why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo
We'll get there fast
And then we'll kill you slow
That's where you need go
Way down to Guantanamo

Aruba, Jamaica ooo aint gonna take ya
To Bermuda, Bahama your really fucked Osama
Key Largo, Montego al-Queda why don't you go

Ooo I wanna take you down to Guantanamo

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From: Walter 
To: om/cf 
Date: Fri Jan 11 01:04:19 2002 
Message:
Billboard magazine says,"With those ever popular harmonies,and 
the subject matter alone,guarantee a number one with a bullet!"

 HOW CAN YA MISS?   

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From: Loser terrorist 
To: My Infidel Captors 
Subject: food/prayer 
Date: Fri Jan 11 01:59:45 2002 
Message:
Will we get rice and beans in cuba ?  And I need one ofd those 
little rug thingies to kneel on when I pray.

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From: Ahsraf 
To: Bob Driscoll 
Subject: OOOH THE ISRAELITES! 
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:34:12 2002 
Message:
eeo
 
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To:   
Subject:   
Message:   
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Don't change anything... but refresh this page 
Don't change anything... just leave 
Don't change anything... choose another board 

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All rights reserved. 

From: Ahsraf
To: all
Subject: a lalla lalla long a lalla lallaong
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:41:36 2002

Message:
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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From: Ahsraf
To: all
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:43:07 2002

Message:
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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From: Ahsraf
To: bobby
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:44:20 2002

Message:
*** Connect retry #3 irc.netcom.net.uk (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #2 62.94.0.22 (6667)
-*** Connect retry #3 irc.netcom.net.uk (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #4 irc.u-net.com (6660)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #2 62.94.0.22 (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #4 irc.u-net.com (6660)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #4 irc.u-net.com (6660)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Connect retry #1 212.141.84.58 (6667)
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Connect retry #5 irc.stealth.net (6666)
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Cancelled connect
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*** Connecting to irc.ircd.it (6667)
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*** Connection attempt timed out
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*** Unable to connect (Connection refused)
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*** Unable to resolve IRC server
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*** Cancelled connect
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From: dark horse
To: terrorists amidst
Subject: your death
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:46:38 2002

Message:
If I get to any terrorist before anyone gets to me, I will kill 
that terrorist

From: dark horse
To: terrorists amidst
Subject: your death
Date: Fri Jan 11 03:46:38 2002

Message:
If I get to any terrorist before anyone gets to me, I will kill 
that terrorist

From: Get a grip
To: Ahsraf
Subject: Spam
Date: Fri Jan 11 10:06:34 2002

Message:
Hey! what a Spam! Ooooooooo you relly know how to suck up a board




























































































































































































Dick wheat!

From: North Carolina Gal
To: everyone
Date: Fri Jan 11 17:17:12 2002

Message:
What's up with ths board? Spam! nothing news worthy...

From: open mind/closed fist
To: North Carolina Gal
Date: Fri Jan 11 18:00:07 2002

Message:
I guess we all know there are some real idiots in the world and
apparently one such wonder struck here right after the board was
archived last night.
 Anyhooo, the Guantanamo Hilton is shaping up nicely and we 
would put mints under the pillows, but there are no pillows. 
Maybe the guests could roll up their head bags and use them as 
pillows. The pillows are on backorder as are the comfy beds and 
the mirrors for the tin ceilings. As Get A grip said, there is 
plenty of soap on a rope, for the group firehose showers and 
we're working on kneeling mats and Korans for all. Again on 
backorder.
 The first twenty guests seem to love it here and have nothing 
but compliments for the staff! Still much work to be done, gotta 
run. Seems we have a shipment of inferior delousing solution.

From: North Carolina Gal
To: op/cf
Date: Fri Jan 11 18:38:09 2002

Message:
What!... they weren't deloused before they left?..Tisk,Tisk.. 
What will the neighbors say......

From: North Carolina Gal
To: open mind/closed fist
Subject: sorry
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:05:30 2002

Message:
Sorry about misspelling your name...If  I could spell,I fear I'd 
really be dangerous!

From: om/cf
To: North Carolina Gal
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:45:11 2002

Message:
Call me anything but, late for dinner! Speaking of dinner, we had
pork chops and micro-nuked potatos tonight. In the hustle and 
bustle somebody forgot to hire a chef for the kitchen. Oh well,
past date MRE's cant kill the guests, can they? Maybe we can 
whip up a Suprise Stew for dinner. And for the evenings 
entertainment, movies on the big screen. Rambo over and over 
again, heee heeee! Dirty Harry tomorrow! 

From: om/cf
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Neighbors?
Date: Fri Jan 11 20:30:10 2002

Message:
Down in Guantanamo we dont care what the neighbors think. 
They've been assholes since the day they moved in. I think the 
last name is Castro or something like that. The cheap bastard 
wears the same clothes every day and drives a Yugo and when he 
has guests he takes the Wego. The sombitch had the nerve to 
threaten us with his bottle rockets one Fourth of July quite a 
few years back. We pulled out our Roman Candles and such, back 
when you could get the good shit, and said bring it on mofo. His
buddies, who brought the fireworks, packed their shit and left.
 Hes been a much better neighbor since then, but still a little 
standoffish. Gotta go, all the guests at the Guantanamo Hilton 
seem to be lining up at the hotel barber shop for shaves and 
haircuts!

From: North Carolina Gal
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Jan 11 20:50:36 2002

Message:
Shave and a haircut 2 bits........

From: North Carolina Gal
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Jan 11 21:11:03 2002

Message:
So glad to hear that all the staff down at the Guantanamo Hotel 
is making sure that it's guests are having a memorable stay.....

From: om/cf
To: North Carolina Gal & all
Subject: Tough Business
Date: Fri Jan 11 22:20:11 2002

Message:
We've only been open for business for two days and we got all 
the human rights people breathing down our necks! Where the hell 
were these assholes when our guests were running roughshod over 
Afghanistan? They want to evaluate our facilities. Homey dont 
play that!
 Military tribunal for the lot of them. No recourse in the 
Federal Courts because it is not American soil. We only lease 
Guantanamo Bay from Cuba! LOL, LOL! Thats why Castro shut up.
He supported action against terrorism but condemed the U.S. for 
taking action in Afghanistan. In the past we've taken in 
refugees at Guantanamo, but Castro never dreamed we would bring 
POW's (detainees) there or why.
 Hey Amazed, we're fucking with heads again!

From: om/cf
To: All
Subject: Cheap Rent
Date: Fri Jan 11 23:27:09 2002

Message:
This whole thing doesn t sit well with me. They [the Afghan 
prisoners] are dangerous fanatics. Why don t they go to jail in 
the U.S.?  
  TIRO MORENO
Guantanamo cab driver  


 U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt first leased the land in 1903 
as a coaling station. Since then, the base mainly services naval 
ships in the Caribbean. Immediately after Castro came to power, 
his government demanded the return of the base to Cuba. The 
Pentagon refused and continues to send some $4,000 in yearly 
rent   checks no one cashes that are now piled high in the Cuban 
Foreign Ministry. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Amazed
Subject: Final Reference: Post Dated: Jan 5 21:12:36
Date: Fri Jan 11 18:52:54 2002

Message:
Quote:

"Y'see, I don't like the British Government. I lobby against it 
when I can. I'm opposed to the policies of my government and I 
act against those policies. Can you understand this idea?...When 
I see it encouraging terrorism, I object. I don't believe what 
my government says.."

Unquote.

You don't like the British Government, well then, do you like 
ANY government in that case? Any particular nation take your 
fancy? IF..you read this, AND you can think of one..then state 
it for the record. Please, pick out a nation that has 
a 'perfect' government,...I hear Zimbabwe's shaping up rather 
nicely!

The fact is, speaking of OUR country, I try and vote for the 
least worst of them. Such is the choice that faces many a voter 
in many a country. I take it, you DID vote!...if you didn't vote 
at the last election...then you've no right to complain.

You lobby against the government..indeed...so what form does 
this lobbying take? The British Government's sponsoring 
terrorism...try specifying. Again, you seek to patronise with 
your questions,...understand what sir?...people use their common-
sense, try and see through the bullshit and make their choice in 
the voting booth. What's your BIG IDEA then?..to single-handedly 
perhaps, restructure the democracies of other nations by talking 
down to them. Whatever your ideas, they're falling on deaf ears, 
due to your asinine atitude. You're NOT a great communicator. 
All that's been demonstrated is your overblown sense of 
superiority. Try courtesy, after all....you do BELIEVE in 
people....right Mr Humanist?

YOU don't believe what our government says...Hmmmm...you're 
right...you old skeptic YOU!...never heard anybody say THAT 
before. You're right of course..maybe we should all be a little 
a more cynical...starting with you...WHY, should anybody 
actually...WANT...to believe anything you say? 

Try figuring THAT one out.

An Australian version of Buck Rogers posted to this board a few 
days ago, apparantly from the 22nd century. I take it you've 
travelled back from the 22nd millenium, in your very own time 
machine,...shame the Morlocks didn't manange to eat you for 
dinner.

Do away with national boundaries you say?, could be a little 
tricky with islands I'd imagine, I guess you could try squashing 
them all together. If humanity's need not to separate into small 
nation states is so outmoded, explain Estonia, Lithuania, 
Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Poland, Czeckoslovakia 
(whom themseves duly subdivided) and former East Germany's need 
to seek national independance free from the Soviet Union's idea 
of a communist utopia. In a perfect world, a utopian world, 
there would indeed be no need for boundaries, but as you may not 
be aware this world far from perfect. You're a man with ideas a 
few millenia ahead of his time unfortunately. Let's have a few 
practical answers from you for today's world, instead of your 
ranting, raving and accusations aimed at all and sundry.

Quote:

"As for calling me a terroist sympathiser: yep, I am that. I 
sympathise with those who have taken up arms in various causes: 
I understand why they do it (which is very different to wishing 
to encourage them or thinking that what they do is right)."

A terrorist sympathiser (generally speaking)...yes....thanks for 
the re-confirmation.

My defintion of a terrorist (which include acts aimed almost 
exclusively at civilians) includes the following.

Now you may well understand why, but do you understand their 
methods?...eg;kidnap, plane hijacking, use of timed-fuse/remote 
detonation explosives, suicide bombings, use of passanger 
aircraft as missiles, 'actual use' of biological weapons 
(anthrax, sarin, smallpox) not to mention the threat of the use 
of nuclear 'dirty bombs'?

Were they right to kill 2,000 plus American's using any of the 
above methods? It's a simple question that requires a simple 
answer. Yes or No?

You can't have your cake and eat it. If you're truly an idealist 
you can't be subjective. To me, everybody's life wherever they 
come from is of equal value. If you don't apologise for saying 
the American victims of Sept 11 somehow 'deserved' what they 
got, you're not fooling anybody but yourself. You said it 
yourself, you're driven by contempt....contempt at those who 
don't agree with you. I'll state it again for your benefit. I 
never posted to this board to deliberatly try and change 
anybody's mind, as you're attempting to. Simply to put my point 
of view, and defend myself if attacked.

Your list of demands in exchange for your sympathy make you 
SOUND like a TERRORIST. A terrorist anarcho-syndicalistic 
state...is that all we have to forward to from you?

From: Everyman
To: om/cf
Subject: Mints
Date: Sat Jan 12 03:36:33 2002

Message:
I think the mints are a nice touch...a bit TOO nice, though, 
considering...tell your tenants they already HAD theirs, as it 
cost a mint (and then some) to get them to where they are now...

From:
To:
Date: Sat Jan 12 07:44:50 2002

Message:
http://seattle.indymedia.org/front.php3?
article_id=10648&group=webcast

From:
To:
Date: Sat Jan 12 08:09:57 2002

Message:
http://www.democracynow.org/thndtrmb.doc

From: om/cf
To: Everyman
Subject: Upcoming Events
Date: Sat Jan 12 10:01:21 2002

Message:
No mints. Got it. Little bags of spicy hot pork rinds instead.

"These represent the worst elements of al-Qaida and the 
Taliban," Marine Brig. Gen. Michael Lehnert said. "We asked for 
the bad guys first."

Speaking of bad guys, we are trying to arrange a promotional 
event with Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. Just a little boxing 
exhibition with each boxer taking on four al-Qaida at a time.
It would be great for the, hopefully, upcoming match between 
them. Lennox Lewis, always the gentleman is all for it but Tyson 
keeps saying "I aint got no quarrel with no Viet Cong." 
Apparently Iron Mike has seen "Ali" one too many times! Lenox 
Lewis comments, "they (al-Qaida) would be beaten in a manner 
that is reasonably consistent with the Geneva Convention."
 But Tyson is warming to the idea now after hearing these 
comments:
  These are people who would gnaw through hydraulic lines in the 
back of a C-17 to bring it down, Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of 
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon press conference 
with Rumsfeld.
 Iron Mike responded, "aint no Viet Cong (al-Qaida) gonna out 
gnaw, out bite or out chew me! Bring em on. Anybody know what 
Cong (al-Qaida) taste like?"
 



From: Get a grip
To: Taliban
Subject: Hotel Cuba
Date: Sat Jan 12 11:11:44 2002

Message:
Yes!! Hot dogs! you will be fed hot dogs and pork rinds. There 
will be a nice little tin box waiting for you, no AC or heat 
though...We will play your favorite songs! You get to listen to 
the American anthem daily! And Christmas songs, we'll play all 
of your favorites! If you really want to you can smash your head 
to the beat of the nut cracker suite!!! Ho He Ha He Hooooooooooo 
Ho Ho Ho , He He....

From: Doughter of Ave!!!
To: The son of Adam
Subject: Devil evil Act!!!!
Date: Sat Jan 12 20:41:52 2002

Message:
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Winston Smith
CIA, Israel suggest...
Sat Jan 12 22:46:47 2002


CIA, Israel suggest pornography, drugs, gambling to divert 
Palestinian youths from fighting Israeli occupation

{Hey, it worked in America.}

12 January, 2002 (IAP News)

Representatives of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and 
Israeli Shin Beth experts have recommended that the relatively 
conservative Palestinian society be flooded with pornography, 
drugs and gambling in order to keep Palestinian youths away from 
joining the resistance against Israeli occupation and apartheid.

A high-ranking Palestinian intelligence officer has intimated 
that American and Israeli intelligence experts discussed "this 
issue" many times.

"The idea first came from the Israeli side who suggested that 
only these things could take Palestinian youths away from their 
hostile fixation on Israel."

The officer said Israeli Shin Beth already instructed some 
independent television stations in the West Bank to 
screen "liberal and semi-pornographic movies."

He mentioned at least one television station in the southern 
part of the West Bank.

The officer said the Israeli government didn't go "far enough" 
due to objections and protests from Jewish settlers who argued 
that pornographic materials on local screens could have a 
detrimental effect on the settler 
population.

"The settlers are mostly religious people and like most 
Palestinians, they don't like these things."

Asked what the Palestinian Authority thought about this, the 
Palestinian officer said the PA was being vigilant and would do 
all it could to thwart Zionist designs to that effect.

Israel had used drugs and sexual blackmail intensively prior to 
the Oslo Accords for the purpose of enlisting Palestinian 
collaborators for the Shin Beth.

Thus, collaborators where given almost complete liberty to sell 
drugs and to trade in pornographic materials in return for 
acting as informers for the Israeli army.


From: boxer
To: "doughter of Ave!!!
Subject: my response
Date: Sun Jan 13 02:04:29 2002

Message:
you misspelled "doughter".  It is spelled "daughter".

From: boxer
To: "doughter" of Ave!!!
Subject: a rebuttal
Date: Sun Jan 13 02:07:22 2002

Message:
you sound like someone who knows how to spread disinformation.  
The only thing missing from your posting is truth.  Do you 
represent the Palestinian Information center, or are you some 
other Hamas (Dumbass?) support

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: om/cf
Subject: Tough Business
Date: Sun Jan 13 02:01:47 2002

Message:
Right about how the "human rights watchdogs" were out of the 
woodwork before these bastards were even at Guantanomo.  Seems 
they don't like these 'unlawful fighter terrorist guys" (the 
Pentagon's latest classification to avoid calling them POW's) 
being kept in "cages."  Why not ?  Where else to keep animals ? 
Where were these "watchdogs" when people like John McCain and so 
many others were being totured by Vietnamese captors.

But anyway.  Seems a couple of the "detainee badguys" were a 
little frisky getting off the plane and had to be shoved to 
their knees.  No pictures were allowed, but just hearing that 
gave me a nice warm feeling.  I could conjure up a mental 
picture of a US soldier slamming a hooded piece of refuse to the 
ground. Nice picture.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Date: Sun Jan 13 10:52:48 2002

Message:
Whoever left the website addresses for democracynow.com and 
seattle.indymedia.org, I at least did them the courtesy of 
scanning through both sites. I suspect it was a response to my 
last post.

In war conditions, I'm fully aware that news ceases to become 
news anymore, it is simply propaganda. That propaganda is 
countered by yet more propaganda by those of the opposite 
opinion, and the actual truth lies buried, somewhere in between.
With that said om/cf, if you haven't already, could you look 
into the indymedia.org site and try to find the piece written by 
a former U.S. F16 pilot. That's kind of an open request to 
anybody who reads this board. It's a valid an interesting 
statement, and I'd appreciate any comments you or others have 
upon reading that specific item. As I said, the rest of the 
material is propaganda from the opposing point of view, 
depending upon one's own personal standpoint.

On a somewhat lighter note, your lyrical accumen sir, concuring 
with Walter here regarding KoKomo...was first class! All these 
Eagles references are getting me all nostalgic. That's when 
music...used to be music in my opinion.   

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Date: Sun Jan 13 11:59:56 2002

Message:
If you're interested, the specific piece I mentioned can be 
found via, Articles, then typing in F16 ,in it's search engine.

From: om/cf
To: All
Subject: Guantanamo Hilton
Date: Sun Jan 13 12:30:29 2002

Message:
30 more bagheads on the way!

From: Get a grip
To: Idiots
Subject: CIA plot
Date: Sun Jan 13 13:05:56 2002

Message:
Yes!!! the CIA and jenny cam are now merged into a porno company 
called Jenny Jihad!!! Oh yes haven't you heard Clintons dog was 
assasinated by the KGB!! seems he was plotting to kill James 
Bond!!! This just in! the CIA is trying to get the 12 year old 
boys away from Saddam the sodimist! Seems a procreation issue 
here! He Ho Hah OOOOOooooooooooomy god! I just can't beleive the 
news! Can you? 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 13 14:00:32 2002

Message:
I looked for the article you suggested with no luck. Heres what 
I tried:
http://indymedia.org/search-process.php3?
medium=text&searchlang=&keyword=F16

 Any suggestions? Maybe post the part you refer to.

I did check out http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?
id=149495&article=16000 posted bt Daughter of Eave (I assume).
Some interesting points of view there. Everyone loves a good 
consiracy.


From: U.K.Citizen
To: OpenMind/Closed Fist
Date: Sun Jan 13 14:27:11 2002

Message:
Hmmmm...Odd that. What I did was this,

http://seattle.indymedia.org (enter)

Once there, I clicked on 'Articles',  a search engine option's 
then available, then I typed in, F16. That should do it.

Just see what you think of it, and I'll reply with some of my 
thoughts. 

From: North Carolina Gal
To: U.K. Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 13 14:37:37 2002

Message:
I too, checked out the article with no luck..... But,will  try 
again later.. When I was younger I  had the privilege of meeting 
the Eagles...So many memories come flooding back when I hear 
their songs......

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Nostalgia
Date: Sun Jan 13 14:54:27 2002

Message:
Hey..hey!...so where'd you meet them?,... you didn't ask them to 
play a request, by any chance? They did some concerts over here 
a couple of years ago, I guess hell apparantly DID freeze over! 
Followed Don Henley's career too. We have a tribute band in the 
U.K., called the Illegal Eagles...aptly named I think you'll 
agree.

As you'd have seen, I've re-specified the path to said article. 
Likewise if you've any thoughts, let us know.

     

From: North Carolina Gal
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 13 15:25:19 2002

Message:
I found it!....I have to say after reading the article and the 
post from the ex-F16 pilot, I have to admitt that I agree  with 
him 100%.....  And I have been saying this sence sept 11th! But 
that's just me...I can't speak for the rest of the U.S..... Love 
the Eagles...I met them in San Fran...I was born and raised 
there,was one of the lucky ones to go back stage and talk with 
them...Oh so many years ago...but seems like yesterday! 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: F16 Pilot
Date: Sun Jan 13 15:28:24 2002

Message:
Typed F16 and found: A Real American by EX-F16 pilot (posted as 
comment) 
Clicked on and found: US Aerial Bombing of Afghanistan: A 
Comprehensive Accounting 
by Mark Herold 12:35am Wed Dec 12 '01 (Modified on 12:21pm Thu 
Jan 10 '02) 
 A rather long article with charts & graphs and interviews with
Afghan children reguarding the Baaad Americans bombing their 
Teddy Bears. Am I there?
 I did see this article somwhere else on the web somewhere in 
recent days. Still havent read it through yet. There is a comment
section under the links to the article that is interesting. One 
in particular reminded me of EagleEye:

Fuck Marc Herold 
by True American 9:47pm Mon Jan 7 '02 

LOL! Anyway, an I getting warm yet? 

From: PATHFINDER
To: GOOD AS DEAD ARABS.
Subject: TROPICS.
Date: Sun Jan 13 15:50:15 2002

Message:

From: PATHFINDER
To: GOOD S DEAD ARABS
Subject: CUBAN VACATION
Date: Sun Jan 13 15:56:52 2002

Message:
After we execute you you will be buried wrapped in the 
intestines of pigs.  Some of you will be questioned by the 
Israelis.  Just imagine having Jews slapping you around.  What 
will your sorry ass Allah think of that?

Happiness is a confirmed kill.  

Hope you like rap, country, and the rest of our music.

In our prison there will be no women for you to slap around, nor 
are then any boys for you to molest.  Just american guards that 
would love to put a bullet in your heads.  Where do I sign up 
for the firing squad?

From: Ashraf
To: North Carolina Gal..
Subject: ..
Date: Sun Jan 13 16:03:00 2002

Message:
Hi..

I just wanted to know whether your son has come back, and if he 
is alright..

Peace..

From: DON'T TRAD ON ME
To: PATHFINDER
Subject: Arab Vacation at Hotel X-Ray, Habana
Date: Sun Jan 13 16:11:50 2002

Message:
Indeed. In Hotel X-Ray, there might be some women soldiers 
slapping some A-rab faces around. But these guys do need some 
exercise.  Might I suggest ba swim in Guantanomo Bay ?

From: North Carolina Gal
To: Ashraf
Date: Sun Jan 13 16:17:27 2002

Message:
He's not back yet..But,he's fine..The last I heard it would be 
March maybe sooner,I hope...Thank You so much for asking

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Thanks for the response.
Date: Sun Jan 13 16:01:48 2002

Message:
My initial response to ' Real American's ' comment.

The article from 'A real American' touched on so many pertinant 
points that have arisen as a result of Sept 11. Religion, race 
citizenship, trust/mistrust, perceptions of other communities, 
national alligence (ie; to the 'flag'). All are by their nature 
sensitive and emotive issues, which because of their nature are 
not always discussed with honesty and openess. Many were 
struggling to comprehend the events of that day, but equaly many 
in it's aftermath would have been trying to comprehend it's 
still largely unknown repercussions. Some of which are unfolding 
as the weeks and months pass, many of which are still to be 
borne out. As you've said NC Gal, although you speak for 
yourself, I would suggest many would share those same feelings. 
Thanks for your inital opinion on it. 

As you'll appreciate I speak as a non-U.S. citizen, so from my 
position...bring not necessarily a better perpective on the 
issues raised, simply an outsiders one. I may follow up my 
comments depending on the repsonses of others...we'll see.

The Eagles...lucky you, they're live album they did a few years 
back now, was great! They've a unique sound. We obviously share 
great taste in music. 


From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: Red hot sir!
Date: Sun Jan 13 16:49:58 2002

Message:
The comments by Real American was indeed the one, thanks for 
taking the time and trouble sir. As I've highlighted already it 
brought up a number of issues from someone who previously did 
not differentiate between people. One wonders where things will 
go from here, unless there is conserted effort from enough 
people to somehow resolve the issues he raised. It again raises 
more questions than it does answers. To take just one example, 
the importance of all of any one nation's people to unite under 
a symbol of unity, be it a flag or whatever...is so important. 
If I may ask, do you empathise with R.A.'s comments, and if so, 
do you perceive any implications in doing so? Do you forsee an 
unavoidable empass in understanding some time in the future 
between communities?

Just to say, if you've any questions on a particular issue or 
article you've seen, I'll give you a response should you request 
it. Thanks again.   

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open MInd/Closed Fist
Date: Sun Jan 13 17:10:33 2002

Message:
True American's comments...and EagleEye's...yeah! (cue much 
laughter) that's true enough...but then again you can't beat an 
original, and our EagleEye...was an original. Hope he's doing 
O.K. wherever he is.

From: Walter
To: Pathfinder
Date: Sun Jan 13 17:17:04 2002

Message:
After we execute you you will be buried wrapped in the 
                   intestines of pigs.  Some of you will be 
questioned by the 
                 Israelis.  Just imagine having Jews slapping you 
around.  What 
                            will your sorry ass Allah think of 
that?

                                Happiness is a confirmed 
kill.___________________________________________________________

 It is ignorant,psychotic,statements like these that made me 
wonder if Americans are really brainless,sadistic idiots.Thank 
God I ended up at this board,where people might want the enemy 
killed(I being one of them),but at least most are not suggesting 
rape,torture,and further acts of human psychotic 
behaviour,because if we all felt that way,it would be quite 
difficult to tell us from the terrorists.If we're going to be the 
"good guys",it might be a good idea to not speak as though we had 
serious mental problems.  

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 13 17:37:04 2002

Message:
I basically agree with that post in question. To me its a case 
of, How much are you going to take before you fight back? A 
little, a lot? And when you do respond, a little or a lot? To me 
the sooner the better, the harder the better. That bit of wisdom 
came to me early on in 7th grade with a bully named Phil and its 
worked well ever since. The more shit one takes, the more shit 
one recieves.
 Obviously its all much more complicated than that but if you 
break world affairs down to a personal level many of the same 
principles people use to interact on a daily basis seem to make 
a lot of sense in dealing with the world.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: More dammed questions.
Date: Sun Jan 13 18:11:11 2002

Message:
I respect where you're coming from, as regards your opinion on 
the subject and your agreement with your nation's response thus 
far. Forgive me, I hope you don't feel I'm bombarding you with 
questions!...but asking directly is sometimes the best way to 
raise an issue. It's the so-called everyday, average...if there 
is such a thing...person that I empathise with, not the 
subversives, extremists either left or right wing nutters with a 
political axe to grind. That's why I do value your opinion om/cf 
and those of others on this board, because IT IS the so-called  
average everyday people who time after time have to bail their 
countries out of crisies. If you feel I'm being too cheeky in 
asking certain questions just let me know!, but why I ask is 
simply to know how people really feel. After all this should be 
a forum for open discussion, with the freedom to openly agree or 
disagree. For many people, and a fact which I fully accept and 
place absolutely NO judgement upon, this is a time, for action 
rather than understanding and soul searching. For many it's 
either unecassary, inappropriate or simply way too soon for 
those latter two sentiments to be considered. Again I've no wish 
to judge. I, instinctively supported the response of your 
government and mine, though history will ultimately pass it's 
own judgement. I still on balance support that action. So just 
to make clear one last question, how do you anticipate things 
panning out between different religious/racial communities 
within your country as a result of Sept 11? Thought I'd give an 
easy one:-)  

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Subject: Consitution
Date: Sun Jan 13 19:26:27 2002

Message:
So Walter, if haven't read Real Amercian's piece refered to 
previously how's about giving it a scan, and let me know of any 
specific comments you have. Just to say, issued raised in that 
item resonate in my country also. I take it your concerns 
regarding your nation's own consistution still remain...somehow 
doubt the U.S.'s consitution will be re-written on this 
board...but anyway. Nevertheless if you've any specifics worth 
mentioning, why not raise them. Remember I'm completely non 
partisan on the subject...being an outsider and all...(yeah 
right!..he says).

From: North Carolina Gal
To: U.K. Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 13 20:33:00 2002

Message:
I'm not very good at this but, I'm going to give it a try.... 
Given the circumstances, If things  where  different  and this  
had taken place  in the U.K.....And you had come across a post 
that written by a fellow man that was  not unlike the true 
Americans post....Would you empathise with him? your opinion 
please....   

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Religious/Racial Divide
Date: Sun Jan 13 19:58:23 2002

Message:
I can only offer my views on my small piece of America. Anything
beyond that would be speculation.
 First off, I am still proud of the tolerance shown to the 
Muslims who live in my little community of 150,000. None were 
beaten and dragged thru town after 09.11.01. I do not know the 
actual Muslim population here but after the attacks, maybe a day 
or two, one of the local television channels had a piece from 
the Muslim Community Center and there must have been at least 
200 people in attendance. Now, I did not even know we had such a 
center or that there would be that many there at any given time.
Frankly, it sent shivers down my spine at a time when there is 
talk of "sleeper cells" and Im sure I wasnt the only one to feel 
that way. We had one Muslim Bakery that closed for two weeks 
after the attacks due to threatening phone calls, but reopened 
another two weeks later with a tremendous support from the 
community. 
 When the news began to break about the nationalities of some of 
the highjackers I thought, Im glad Im not a Arab in America. I 
honestly thought the American Muslims would have recieved more 
trouble than they recieved.
 OK I'll speculate! My gut feeling is, I think it will all shake 
out in America. I've read stories of college students heading 
back home, or being called back. I think the Muslims in America 
know they are going to be looked at in a different light, at 
least for awhile. If they dont like it, they also know the door 
swings both ways.
 The prevailing attitude in America for a long time probably 
will be: If they look, dress, worship, and talk like the enemy,
they must be the enemy.
 But if they got bags on their heads, we know their the enemy!
All aboard! Thank you for choosing "Air Guantanamo", the only 
major airline offering service from Afghanistan to Cuba!

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: And the enemy is?
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:01:51 2002

Message:
I forgot to work this in above. A true story.
I worked all day 09.11.01 although we were given the option of 
leaving at noon, everyone stayed. I drove home and as Im getting
out of my car my neighbor comes running up. He says "did you 
here what happened today". Sheepishly I said "no what happened?"
He proceeds to tell me the Israelies highjacked some planes and 
took down the WTC. I said, "dont you mean Arabs?" He 
says, "whatever, they are all Israelies". This man graduated 
from high school and served in the U.S. Navy aboard a Aircraft 
Carrier. His wife usually tells him to shut up!
 Gotta go, apparently President Bush is choking on a pretzel. 
Terrorist plot?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Touche'!
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:34:59 2002

Message:
Can I first assume you're refering to the post by 'Real 
American', not True American. Apologies if not so, and I'll re-
write it!

In brief, if the situation was reversed, yes I would empathise 
in those circumstances, again assuming that that person was, for 
the sake of argument, an experianced ex-soldier/airman/woman 
etc. Though we all have equal rights to our point of view, the 
views of those who are willing to risk so much for the 
protection of others, hold that much more weight. I'm proud of 
what Britain's armed forces are doing in Afghanistan at present. 
When all's said and done, I'm still proud of my country and I'd 
hope all others in my country would feel the likewise.

Things in the U.K. are similar, but not the same. If somebody 
put a flag, the Union flag, or the English flag of St.George in 
their car window, in the wrong part of town...it would get a 
brick thrown threw it's windows faster than you could salute it. 
They're regarded rightly or wrongly as symbols of nationalism.
Hence we don't get many of those flags flying, except by the far-
right. It happens here and maybe in the U.S. too, whereby people 
of different racial/religious origins separate into different 
areas either to feel safe, to feel the assurance of being 
amongst 'one's own' so to speak, or they just don't like people 
who are different. It's a self imposed 'apartied' that nobody 
really discusses. To get in a shameless Eagles plug here, Joe 
Walsh's album title "There goes the neighbourhood"...kind of 
sums it up. One has to say, this is more pronounced in inner 
city areas, and it would be wrong to say that it happens 
everywhere. In many areas people co-exist happily. But, by Sept 
12, it really highlighted underlying differences that people 
didn't realize existed! As always, it's the silent majority who 
are the peaceful ones usually the older, wiser generation, 
whatever their community, but quite a few, mostly the young in 
the 'deemed Muslim' community here, openly justified the actions 
that took place on Sept 11. People of colour years ago were 
actively discouraged by their fellow cadets and some officers to 
join the armed forces or the police force. Though that's not so 
much the case now, the damage has been done. A sense of 
alienation and a non-acceptance at a deep and perhaps unspoken 
level by our country's host population persisted. To some now, 
their allegiances lie not with their host country, but with 
their religion or their country of origin. Those of course are 
the most outspoken and subversive. For those people, putting it 
tactfully, I'd rather they move to a country they feel akin to, 
instead of in the U.K., post haste.

I have to strive to speak responsibly when talking of such 
issues, and try and give balance where it exists, but also call 
foul where that exists.

It's difficult not to broaden things out, as the question you 
posed, though short..is not small. It boils down to whether 
people of different races/religions really do WANT to live 
together. The U.S. has the most diverse mix of peoples and 
cultures in the world, yet people accuse it of being racist. How 
ironic. 

What is needed are people of courage whoever they to are, 
wherever they are, whatever background they come from, to 
somehow inspire people to believe in HUMANITY as a concept, 
whether they be politicians (a long shot..I know), sports stars, 
film stars...whoever. Big words maybe, but how else does one 
lead and inspire people...except by good example.
    
Speaking of symbolism, Nelson Mandela in South Africa was seen 
by and large though not exclusively as a symbol of unity, the 
country's new flag came afterwards...I'd like to say I have that 
guy's courage, but I don't think I do. 
   

From: boxer
To: Walter
Subject: you go, girl
Date: Sun Jan 13 23:45:51 2002

Message:
Pathfinder is apparently put off by the Sept. 11 attacks.  So 
much so that he decided to express his indignation concerning 
them.  Your ladylike response was about what one would expect 
from such a demasculated society as yours.  Good luck in the 
future with your premature articulation.  It hasn't served you 
we

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open MInd/Closed Fist, Walter
Date: Sun Jan 13 23:44:52 2002

Message:
Om/cf: I'll get back to you with a more comprehensive reply. 
It's late...I'm tired...and thanks again.

Walter: In my prior post to you I've managed somehow to mistype 
a word incorrectly, on three different occasions,...and all I 
can say is...it's meant to spell, Constitution.

From: Walter
To: boxer
Subject: Pathfinder/your girl
Date: Mon Jan 14 00:25:24 2002

Message:
Obviously you're too ignorant to understand either his or my 
response.

From: John
To: Walter
Subject: ...a good idea to not speak as though...
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:27:12 2002

Message:
You said -->  "If we're going to be the "good guys",it might be 
a good idea to not speak as though we had serious mental 
problems."


Do you suggest some attempt to conceal their personal issues as 
well as... ?

*******

RE: To: boxer - You said -->  "Obviously you're too ignorant to 
understand either his or my response."

Known fact prior to his post response.



John
E...

From:
To:
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:00:48 2002

Message:
hi

From: Walter
To: John
Subject: LOL
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:23:58 2002

Message:
I have a bad case of the flu.But I'm getting better.

 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: A great example.
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:14:00 2002

Message:
May I say that I appreciate those candid and honest remarks 
regarding the subject of race and religion. By the sounds of 
things your town reacted really well, given the circumstances, 
and pulled together, and in doing so showing their support in 
that instance. Talk about setting the good example! I think your 
town has every right to feel proud. As R.A.'s post suggested, 
what is required urgently is for such feelings to be openly 
reciprocated from the 'Muslim' community to the satisfaction of 
their host community, perhaps a certain degree of shyness on 
their part has still to be overcome. For those who are either in 
denial or are unapologetic, I'd agree with your sentiments on 
that one. They ALL know where the exit door is.

Your neighbour...ohhh boy! (as humourous as it is worrying, but 
I'm sure he's a great guy!). Hey...and as if I'm so 
smart...falling for that post by (ahem)..'Too serious'...and his 
unrythmic punks...tight lines!...bet you didn't expect to have 
to pull my sorry behind out out of the water....

For a moment I thought you were kidding me, regarding that 
pretzel...till I checked the news...The world's most powerful 
man floored by an in-between meal snack. Sometimes life's just 
too 'bazaar' for words!!!

Anyways,...back to the war!  

From: John
To: Walter
Subject: ...In the interim, meds... lots of meds..
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:05:55 2002

Message:
I certainly hope they get better.  I hear in a "A Beautiful 
Mind", he got better.  Maybe there's hope for Boxer.  In the 
interim, meds... lots of meds..

Boxers are darn good dogs.  Do you know why there noses are so 
pushed in?  

...................................................              
            
              from chasing parked cars.  


              ...Maybe that's what happened to our Boxer's head.


John
E...

From:
To:
Date: Mon Jan 14 18:49:40 2002

Message:
===========================================================
[1] Military Tribunals: an Affront Against Liberty
===========================================================
by Jim Davidson
http://www.GoldBarterHoldings.com/

copyright (c) 2002 Jim Davidson All Rights Reserved

Not being a former policy analyst for the Department of
Justice, I take a very different view of the chilling
effect of military tribunals on individual liberty than
does Mark Kleiman of UCLA.
(http://www.politechbot.com/p-03003.html)
The importance of the advent of these tribunals, and their
widespread application goes far beyond nested procedural
matters or the use of the "constitution for the united
States of America" in defending individual liberty.

*Goals*
I would agree with Kleiman that a consideration of the
goals being sought is important.  More than just looking
at the goals, it is important to separate the interests
of the individual, especially individual Americans, from
the interests of other groups.  When Kleiman writes, 
"What are we trying to do? (1) Win a war," I think he is
mistaken.  In particular, I am not trying to win a war
against Afghanistan nor one against Afghans. Many
individual property owners recognize war as the health 
of the state, or at least as a threat to their property, 
and seek no state-sanctioned warfare.

The USA federal government (feral gummint) claims to be
at war in Afghanistan.  I am leery of this claim, since
the feral gummint has recently been making noises about
war in Somalia (again) and there is zero evidence of a
Congressional declaration of war against Somalia.  If
there has been an overt declaration of war against the
nation and peoples of Afghanistan, who are certainly 
under attack with bombings and USA military presence on
the ground, it is a declaration not made by Congress, to
my knowledge.

*Is it war?*
The application of the USA constitution to the matter of
whether the USA government is properly at war is very
simple.  If there is a war, it has been declared by the
US Congress.  Otherwise, the activities are not a war,
and should not be dressed in the constitution's defense
of war activities.

Even if there is a war against Afghanistan, I separate myself 
from it.  I am an individual, and I am not at war with the 
country or the peoples of Afghanistan.  If the Congress 
declares war against them and claims to do so in my name, 
I disavow the authority  of Congress to act in my name.  
I have no individual interest in the conduct or outcome of 
this war, except as it affects my liberty and other forms 
of my property.

*War Against Freedom*
Winning a war would certainly involve putting the opposing
force in a position where it lacks the will or means to
inflict further damage.  Has that been done?  Disarming
civilian airline passengers certainly prevents them from
having the individual means to oppose terror attacks in
the sky.  I see plenty of evidence that the feral gummint
has attacked individual liberty, deprived individuals of
the means of self-defense, and undertaken regulations to
have a chilling effect on free speech within airports.

In so doing, the feral gummint has declared war on the
individuals who make up the population of the USA.  It
has put those individuals in the position where they
lack the means to inflict damage on terrorists or feral
gummint agents, and that would seem to be in direct and
flagrant violation of the Second Amendment.  I take for
my interpretation of the Second Amendment the very
thorough analysis provided by the Supreme Court of the
US (SCOTUS) in _Miller_, 1939, and the recent Fifth
Circuit analysis provided in _Emerson_, 2001.  The
Second Amendment exists to keep individuals armed in
defense of liberty from attacks by criminals, terrorists,
foreign military operatives, invading armies, or traitors
in the USA goverment (including its military) who are
willing to subvert the constitution.

What war, then, is at stake, and who is trying to win it?
I would say that in addition to nested procedural issues,
Kleiman is considering a situation of nested wars.  There
is, on the one hand, a war being prosecuted by the feral
gummint against individual liberty, a clear-cut "war on
freedom" and then there is a "war on terrorism."  The 
second is being used to prosecute the first, and in so
doing, joins the "war on drugs" and the "war on poverty"
as means to further limit individual liberty while
enhancing the power of government.  I am trying to win
a war for individual liberty, a war that was begun long
before I was born and which appears destined to continue
for some years into the future.

*Freedom Fighters*
As such, I am a freedom fighter.  It is a matter of some
general interest that a great many so-called or alleged
terrorists name themselves freedom fighters.

Another goal I don't share is discouraging "other 
individuals from joining al-Qaeda" which, as far as I'm
concerned is an attempt to restrain individual liberty
in political expression.  I do seek to discourage
attacks on civilians in the US, though that does not
necessarily operate as a concern for attacks on USA
military targets.

I'm certainly opposed to governments, including the
USA government, attacking civilians within the USA.
I note with concern such attacks as the ongoing theft
of private property involved in taxation, the 
continuing attacks on religious minorities (e.g., the
butchering of seven dozen Branch Davidians in 1993),
and the ubiquitous affronts to individual economic
liberty imposed by the feral gummint.

(Let me take a moment to reiterate a point I've made
elsewhere: those in control of the regime which calls
itself the USA federal government are not operating in
accordance with the document which calls itself the
"constitution for the united States of America" and
as such should not be considered federal, but, rather
feral, as in wild, uncontrolled, untamed, unlimited.
I also don't think this outfit operates as a government
fit for a free people, so I use the term "gummint"
to poke fun at its excesses.)

As far as using the "war against terrorism" to deter
attacks against individual Americans, I think the
notion is perverse.  To the contrary, this war on
terrorism acts to promote attacks on individual
liberty, individual property, and other aspects of
individual life.

*Compensate the Victims*
Incapacitating criminals is not necessarily in the
interests of victims or third party individuals.
Rather, compensation of the victims by the criminals
is a proper objective.  Incapacitating criminals and
depriving them of the means to obtain financial 
resources with which to compensate the victims is
wrong.  Further assessing fines from criminals which
are not turned over entirely to the victims operates
as fraud.

There is little evidence that imprisonment or even the
death penalty operates as a deterrent to crime. The
death penalty is unquestionable in its effectiveness
as a prevention of recidivism.  However, granting
such punitive powers to government is a mistake. So,
again, I disagree with the goal of punishment for
the purpose of retribution.  Blood feud doesn't work.
Instead, it stands in the way of effecting compensation.
The only effective deterrent to crime is an armed
populace.

It is the compensation of victims, not the punishment
of criminals, that should be sought by those who wish
to have justice.   Crime impairs individual life, liberty,
and property, and compensation repairs that effect of
crime.  Compelling compensation may be viewed as 
punishment, but its purpose should be compensatory, not
punitive.

I agree with Kleiman that Kant was not the best of
all dead philosophers.  The effects of punishment or
compelling compensation on the criminal are of no
interest to me.  The effects on victims of uncompensated
crime are egregious, and it is this outrage that 
compensation is intended to correct.

Hate crime laws are motivated to further enhance the
power and authority of the state.  Most hate crime
laws intend to limit the freedom of political and social 
expression, as well as the freedom to associate.  As
well, hate crime laws demonstrate the ineffectiveness
of the state in punishing actual crimes, whether motivated
by hate or otherwise.

*The Laws of War*
Kleiman states an understanding that the law of war 
"makes a distinction between soldiers on the one hand
and saboteurs and spies on the other."  This view is a
primitive understanding of an international legal regime 
which has migrated significantly toward the recognition
of armed militia and non-uniformed fighters.  Soldiers
may fight in uniform, but the Geneva Conventions have
long recognized that the cost of uniforms may not be
an economic cost that is bearable by separatists,
freedom fighters, or the oppressed.  Moreover, the
existence of a uniform does not necessarily equate
to proof of soldier status.  A civilian may steal a
uniform, as may a spy.  When wars have been conducted
in impoverished regions, for example North Africa,
civilians have had a longstanding practice of taking
uniforms off dead soldiers for the simple purpose of
staying warm.

Soldiers may answer up a chain of command whether they
are in uniform or not.  It then becomes useful to
consider whether the USA is at war with al-Qaeda as
a multinational military organization, or whether
the participants in al-Qaeda are accused of criminal
conduct.  In the first instance, al-Qaeda operatives
would be considered soldiers; in the second they would
be considered as criminals.

The execution of Nathan Hale by the British government
during its conduct of a war with its North American
colonies is significant.  Had this execution been
unique in any way, it might be considered a useful
example.  However, Hale was one among many thousands
of Americans both in uniform and out of uniform who
were summarily executed by the British.  British
soldiers were ordered by British officers to kill
uniformed American soldiers, including the wounded,
without regard to their status as soldiers.  British
soldiers were ordered by British officers to kill
civilians without regard to their status as 
non-combatants.  British soldiers were ordered by
British officers to spread smallpox among native
American Indians without regard to their status as
non-combatants, as soldiers, or as participants in
treaties with the British crown.  In other words, the
history of the British empire as regards respect for
the rule of law, including the law of war, is very
bad.

*War Crimes*
Soldiers who fight unlawfully are subject to punishment
sometimes and in some places.  For example, the 10th
Mountain Division soldiers who surrounded a peaceful
assembly of the Habr Gidr clan in Somalia on 12 July
1993 with seventeen helicopters and executed seven
dozen Somalis with an unprovoked sneak attack on their
residence, sending TOW missiles into a civilian occupied
building and firing cannon at civilians, should be
subject to punishment as war criminals.  The Delta
Force operatives who fired on civilians in Mt. Carmel
and in Mogadishu in 1993 should be subject to 
punishment as war criminals.  There is no chance that
the regime in control of the USA would ever allow such
trials.

If al-Qaeda has committed acts of war, it must be
considered a military organization.  Its operatives
must be treated as soldiers, engaged in warfare.  If
it is a criminal organization, its acts are crimes,
and its operatives should be treated as criminals or
as accessories to crime.  The USA feral gummint does
not wish to be limited by either distinction, so it
has declared al-Qaeda to be terrorists, subject to a
uniquely dangerous combination of civil and military
justice.

The notion that Osama bin Laden as a superior within
the al-Qaeda organization who should be held responsible
for the actions of his subordinates whether he ordered
the attack on the World Trade Center stands in direct
contradiction to the idea that al-Qaeda operatives
(who do often wear uniformly similar clothing, beards,
and other identifying garb) don't have superiors
accountable for their actions.  Kleiman would seem to
join the feral gummint in wanting to have it both ways.

*Bombs*
It is questionable whether sneaking into an enemy camp
to plant a bomb is an act of sabotage that can be
punished summarily.  For example, Union troops at the
Battle of Petersburg, in the War for Southern Independence,
dug a mine under Confederate entrenchments and planted
a bomb.  The stunning defeat of the Union at the 
"battle of the crater" illustrates that such subterfuge
isn't always effective.  However, the captured Union
troops were held as prisoners of war by the Confederacy.

Hijacking civilian airliners is a crime.  Disarming
civilian passengers before the board planes is also a
criminal violation of their individual liberty, and
a traitorous violation of the constitution.  Flying
hijacked airliners into buildings is also criminal
conduct.  Criminals should be forced to pay for 
their crimes and compensate the victims thereof.
Those who conspired with the dead suicide hijackers
should be accorded the treatment of criminals.

Or, perhaps hijacking civilian airliners is an act
of war, carried out by a military organization,
in which case the agents and operatives involved
should be accorded military justice and treated as
prisoners of war, to be exchanged or paroled or
held depending on the exigencies of war.  But Kleiman
cannot have it both ways.

*War or Crime?*
Either al-Qaeda is a military organization, in which
case "the al-Qaeda leadership" should be subject to
the rules of war, and treated as prisoners of war if
captured, and treated as officers capable of restraining
their troops and negotiating surrender or cease fire
or a peace treaty (the rationale for not targeting
officers with undue hostility in warfare) or they
are criminals and should be taken out and shot if
caught and convicted.  (Due process of law being an
individual liberty and not subject to the vicissitudes
of whether the USA constitution protects a given class
of individuals in this matter.)  Kleiman wants to see
the USA military make war on al-Qaeda and summarily
execute bin Laden and the al-Qaeda leadership, so he
is clearly confused on the status of al-Qaeda.

Unifying civilian and military authority was one of
the complaints of the North American colonists against
the British crown.  It was dangerous then, and it
led to heroes like Nathan Hale regretting that he had
but one life to give to his country.  It is dangerous
now, in spite of former DoJ policy analysts like
Kleiman exulting about how he would celebrate one
possible result of it.

*How are Taliban different?*
The Taliban fighting forces do not fight in uniform.
Or, they use uniforms to the exact same extent that
al-Qaeda does.  The uniform use of turbans, beards,
and other Islamic paraphernalia seems to be acceptable
evidence for Kleiman that the Taliban are an army.

He then notes that the Taliban regime was a de facto
government, though not one "we" recognized.  And yet,
the USA sent $45 million in aid in Summer 2001 alone
to the Taliban.  While it did not accept an official
embassy from the Taliban government, USA recognizes
very few nations in that way.

One may rationally argue that the Taliban regime was
an affront against humanity, and imposed against the
individual liberty of Afghans.  It is not rational
to suppose that the new government being imposed on
Afghanistan is going to end all affronts to individual
liberty, or that the solution to one bad state's evil
rule is the imposition of another.  Rather, we may be
sure that the billions of dollars of external debt
owed by various overthrown Afghan regimes will be
paid by the new government through the suffering and
taxation of the Afghan people, whether there is any
just connection between the people and the debt or
not.  The CIA reports some $9 billion in external
debt as of 2000 for Afghanistan, though a careful
review of that debt indicates that most of it was
incurred by communist and otherwise dictatorial
regimes imposed without the consent of the governed.

*Allowing al-Qaeda*
The USA government financed the Taliban regime at
a time when the Taliban were destroying Buddhist
monuments and "harboring" al-Qaeda operatives.  If
it is evil of the Taliban to blow up Buddhist
statues and evil of it to harbor al-Qaeda, it was
certainly evil of the Clinton and Bush administrations
to support Taliban with financial and humanitarian
aid.  Yet, we don't see any of the Bush or Clinton
administration officials being arrested for war
crimes.  The duplicity of these standards is typical
of government and its apologists.

*Nuremburg*
Trials at Nuremburg of German and Japanese officials,
and the recently begun trial of Milosevich for "war
crimes" have not been conducted in a manner consistent
with individual liberty.  The accused were not and are
not being accorded any respect for their liberty to
compulsory subpoena of witnesses, to due process in
general, or to reasonable bail.  These affronts by the
international community after WW2 and presently are
violations of individual liberty with implications 
for all individuals. We should be wary of any war
crimes tribunals conducted in this manner.

Nor should individuals be happy about the one-sided
arrangement of such war crimes tribunals.  Kleiman
himself points out that Nicaragua is unable to compel
the extradition of Oliver North.  Who is to say whether
the terror acts of the African National Congress were
acts of warfare or of crime?  Much the same may be
said of the acts of Moshe Dayan both during the war
for Israeli independence and during his time in office
there.

*Accessories to Murder*
Kleiman does a poor job of establishing who is a
properly identifiable criminal, whether of a war
crime or of an ordinary crime.  For example, should
a cook who worked as a cook in a Taliban army
encampment, whose behavior consisted of cooking
food and cleaning pots, be treated as an accessory
to murder because he facilitated Taliban operations
and the Taliban facilitated al-Qaeda operations and
there is at least some evidence (though it shall
never be presented to an American jury because it
is all classified top secret) that al-Qaeda may have
facilitated the attacks on the World Trade Center?
If so, then clearly the USA Congress and Clinton
and Bush Adminstrations should be treated as
accessories, since they sent tens of millions to
the Taliban regime.

The Northern Alliance is treating Taliban soldiers,
especially non-Afghan soldiers working for the Taliban,
as criminals.  It appears that the USA military is
cooperating in this treatment.  Again, if the Taliban
is a military organization, as seems clear, then its
operatives should be accorded treatment under the
rules of war, and captured Taliban fighters are 
prisoners of war to be repatriated after the war is
over.  The same would appear to be true of al-Qaeda
fighters.

*Location Specific Justice*
Kleiman says that the question of what to do with
the al-Qaeda leadership is made simpler by being
overseas, in a combat zone, where military law is
the relevant law.  I disagree.  The location of an
individual is irrelevant to his liberty.  Liberty
and property are aspects of life, and are attached
to the individual by an inseparable, inalienable
bond.  The individual does not repudiate his property
by leaving the United States, nor does he subvert
his liberty by being thrust into a combat zone.

The fact that governments operate as though the
presence of civilians in any zone the government
designates as combat-appropriate as irrelevant
to their prosecution of warfare, and fails to
suitably punish the inflicting of "collateral 
casualties" is yet another indictment of government.
Individuals are free wherever they are, but may
only remain free in the presence of government
by keeping and bearing and using arms.

*Distance*
It is clear that Kleiman appreciates the injustice of
executing every cook and driver, regardless of their
complicity or involvement in the attacks on the World
Trade Center.  However, he is willing to hang them all
so that he doesn't appear to have gone soft.  In so
doing, he also condemns every USA government operative
who was involved in funding the Taliban and every
USA civilian who in any way objects to the feral 
gummint's operation of airport security.

After all, the summary nature of the military tribunal
is going to be applied to individuals within the USA,
at first perhaps only to those who are of foreign
nationality, but eventually to all individuals of
any locality.  Let's be clear: the USA has already
done so.  In its prosecution of WW2, the USA feral
gummint rounded up Americans of Japanese ancestry,
sent them to encampments in the mountains without
preparation or due process, and thousands died in
building those camps.  It was all justified with the
words "we're at war."

The distance between Taliban fighters and al-Qaeda
operatives in Afghanistan from the World Trade Center
conflagration and the distance between Americans
of Japanese ancestry in California and the Pearl
Harbor conflagration is similar.  The injustice
imposed in each instance is similar.  It doesn't
matter that the USA military screwed up its handling
of airplanes and warships and information in the days
leading up to Pearl Harbor, or that it was uniformed
pilots of the Empire of Japan who did the actual
damage to Pearl Harbor, or that loyal Americans of
Japanese ancestry were needed to provide language
skills and prosecute the war in the Pacific, it was
enough that scapegoats could be found and brutalized.

*Separating sheep from goats*
Kleiman admits that separating al-Qaeda operatives
from ordinary Afghans is going to be difficult. But,
thus far, that has not been a factor in the prosecution
of the war.  Daisy cutters and other munitions are
dropped on Afghan targets whether they contain
Red Cross personnel, UN personnel, Afghan civilians,
or the occasional Taliban fighting force.  After all,
the USA military, in its righteous indignation does
not care one fig for the individual liberty of anyone,
be they American civilians in airports or Afghan
civilians in villages.

Kleiman likens the al-Qaeda membership to the various
SS units of the German military, without regard to the
fact that the SS were units of a military.  He joins
ranks with those who don't care to separate sheep to
be shorn (taxpayers) from goats to be eaten (enemy
soldiers) because it is of no consequence to the policy
analyst.  The military deals death without regard to
race, creed, color, or culpability.

*Constitutional Law*
The argument Kleiman makes that it doesn't matter from
an American Constitutional perspective is mistaken. It
matters very much.  Has there been a declaration of war
by Congress?  If so, then military involvement in 
Afghanistan is legitimate; if not, then not.

Does the prosecution of military tribunals in foreign
countries by USA military personnel have any 
foundation in the USA constitution?  No.  Not one
passage validates that process.  The USA military is
empowered to try its own forces and the forces of
such militia as are in actual military service in
time of war, but it has no constitutionally authorized
power to prosecute trials against foreign military
personnel or foreign civilians.  Granting it such
extra-constitutional powers is dangerous to all
individuals everywhere, especially Americans who are
more likely than anyone to be subject to the excesses
of the USA government.

*Moussauoi*
Kleiman would have "Mr. Moussauoi" and others who tried
to hijack planes on 11 September 2001 treated as
saboteurs under the rules of war.  But, if so, then
the application of the rules of war would make of
Moussauoi a military agent, and necessarily accord him
prisoner of war status.  (That is, the application of
the Geneva conventions and other articles of war as
they have been negotiated and agreed to by the USA
federal government, and ratified by the Senate, rather
than the rules of war as Mr. Kleiman in his ignorance
would conceive of them.)

*Liberty implications*
Military tribunals may admit evidence derived from
warrantless wiretaps and other searches and derived
from torture.  Yet, somehow, such invasions of privacy
(the Fourth Amendment) and cruel and unusual punishment
(Eighth Amendment) and compelling testimony from the
accused (Fifth Amendment) are not supposed to be of
concern to individuals in the USA.  However, we see
these behaviors imposed on us all the time, so we do
worry, and we should worry.

Worst of all, a military tribunal can admit secret
evidence and deny the defense the ability to reveal
how that evidence was gathered.  So, the prosecution
can make anything up, claim it is secret or in the
"interests of national security" to deny the ability
of the defense to validate the evidence, and, faced
with such limitations, the defense has no effective
power to confront the witnesses against him (Sixth
Amendment).

I point out these implications for individual liberty
because military tribunals are being applied to American
citizens, because the tactics of these tribunals are
being used by prosecuting attorneys in civilian cases,
and because the individual liberties *identified* in
the constitution are liberties enjoyed by all individuals
everywhere whether or not the *guarantee* of those
liberties by the constitution is relevant.  Indeed, all
evidence has shown that the constitution is not a useful
mechanism for actually defending individual liberty, in
comparison, say, to financial wherewithal or a gun.

The liberty of some individuals is directly threatened
by the existence of military tribunals operating without
limit or control.  Therefore, the liberty of all individuals
is indirectly threatened, because such tribunals will be
more widely used.  The state always uses all of its tools
until it is stopped by opponents of the state's excesses.

*Graymail*
Kleiman worries about defendants using the threat of
revealing information about sources of prosecution
evidence in plea negotiations.  In doing so, he reveals
his basic sympathy with any brutality the government
would seek to impose on any defendant, whether that
individual is actually found guilty or not.  After all,
the Sixth Amendment guarantee of the individual liberty
to confront the witnesses against oneself is a vital
principal of law:  the use of anonymous tipsters and
witness protection programs to deny this liberty are
corruptions of due process that must never be tolerated.

Prosecutors who use such processes should be tried and
executed as traitors to the constitution they swore to
uphold and defend.  Policy analysts who apologize for
such practices should be similarly stripped of their
life, liberty, and property.

*Epistemology versus Liberty*
Then Kleiman seeks to gain admission of hearsay as
evidence because it is disallowed under a faulty
epistemology.  Yet, what is epistemology but the
analysis of how we may come to know about the truth.
Epistemology denies that the truth may ever be
completely identified in all its manifold properties,
and it also denies that authority is a good means of
approaching any part of the truth. Taking the word
of one person about what another said is very poor
strategy in the pursuit of knowledge.

The fact that hearsay evidence is inadmissible in 
civilian courts is of benefit both to individual
liberty and to the finding of the truth by valid
means.  There is no real conflict between epistemology
as it is properly understood and individual liberty.
Indeed, the search for the truth is a part of the
search for a better world, in which individual liberty
is the greater part.

But, none of these applications of faulty reasoning
in military trials "bothers me very much," says Kleiman.
He admits that the sweep of legal principles of
aiding and abetting and conspiracy is immense.  He
then defines conspiracy as broadly as possible by having
a common purpose, whether or not the individual conspirator
ever does anything or agrees with anything that is done.

He seems to exult, as he did the notion of summary executions
for those he considers leaders of al-Qaeda, the use by
investigators to extort information from individuals by
threatening them with capital punishment and "diminished
procedural rights."  Not only are these threats made against
individuals, but against their friends and family.  Military
tribunals, Kleiman notes, make those threats much more
effective.

*Take Home Image*
So, the image of the jackbooted thug and his cohort of
wingtip accessorized prosecutors trampling the individual
liberty of anyone and everyone is the message to take
home from Kleiman's assessment.  Indeed, the future of
individual liberty is being actively threatened by the
prosecution of the war on terrorism.

Without regard to the actual crimes against humanity of
the USA feral gummint, Kleiman would be delighted by
the legal or illegal execution of a mullah in New Jersey,
possibly an individual for whom the USA's constitutional
guarantees of liberty apply, because this guy has said
that a holy war against the United States is appropriate.
How droll.  Yet, any individual who says that Kleiman
should die for his views supporting American fascism
would, of course, be bad and wrong in Kleiman's perverted
estimation.  It is okay for Kleiman to say that he
thinks the illegal killing of this mullah is good, but it
would not be okay for anyone else to say that the illegal
killing of Kleiman would be good.  That's typical of all
the double standard rubbish that Kleiman emits.

Sure, Kleiman realizes that ruling by decree is a danger
to individual liberty.  But, he's too busy exulting in
the killing of supposed terrorists to bother very much
to oppose this danger.  The danger of Bush becoming a
contemporary era Critias isn't a potential danger, it is
clear and it is present.

He follows up by claiming that nobody in America opposes
the prosecution of war against al-Qaeda by any means.  I 
suppose that's true, since I'm in Texas.

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From: James Nathan
To:
Subject: Freedom From Power Groups
Date: Mon Jan 14 18:51:52 2002

Message:
Many Americans seem to think WTC911 was a tragedy producing at 
least one 
result taken to be an improvement in America, that is, a renewed 
sense 
of patriotism and respect for government. I would agree that is 
an 
improvement, but for one small matter. My sense of patriotism 
lies not 
merely in ball-team nationalist loyalty to the coincidence of my 
birth 
here, but in my personal support of the fundamental belief that 
by law 
here all persons who make up our nation should be granted 
certain 
respect and liberty, by one another and by the state, the 
structure of 
government administration and power. What I see happening in 
government 
and among the masses, is the ad-agency-style creation of iconic 
enemies, 
and the manipulation of fear and anger toward those icons to 
justify the 
government's taking greater and greater exception to those 
protections 
of our liberty and privacy from each other and the state.

Not only are greater measures against the citizen's freedom and 
privacy 
being taken in the name of protection from such actions as were 
used by 
the terrorists, but others are also taken in the name of 
protection 
against anything that can be imagined a terrorist might do, and 
which 
might frighten folks to think about.

Serious, resolved, and confident of their righteousness, such 
protectors 
of the state's flocks as AG "Cotton" Ashcroft feel their 
responsibility 
as God's anointed shepherds to the faithful, and God's appointed 
wardens 
to the un-contrite imposes upon them their duty to rule by force 
of law. 
I believe that in the long run even their good and pious 
intentions 
cannot change the fact that once the state has found reason to 
take 
freedoms and protections away from us, they are gone forever. In 
my 
sketchy knowledge of history, no government has ever without 
violence 
given back to its people any right or power it once found reason 
to take 
away. If those great principles of liberty, personal 
sovereignty, and 
protection from intrusive government expressed in our 
Constitution are 
taken away, then surely "the salt hath lost its savor," and we 
shall 
have given away that which is most precious to us.

Those whose free choices may be uncommon and disapproved by the 
majority 
suffer the same problem as those who desire democratic freedom 
but 
prefer not to be involved in group political action. How do you 
organize 
anarchists so they have the ability to keep themselves 
individually 
independent of organized power groups? Power groups believe 
their 
ability to use social power to structure the lives of their 
members, in 
accordance with voluntary agreement, should also extend to 
structuring 
the lives of others whether voluntary or not. A big one, for 
example, is 
the political machine in DC. It is certainly not a group of evil 
people, 
but an organic structure of authority, money flows, 
associations, and 
interests, its panels and pedals staffed by the good people of 
our 
nation. It is also an organic structure with objectives and 
needs 
independent of those of any of its people, and it has direction 
and 
momentum, like a great beast in motion. It is not always in the 
interest 
of that beast to protect the individual rights or resources of 
its 
people, in fact often quite the opposite. Many a regime has 
become a 
beast which destroyed a fine people by consuming them to keep 
itself 
alive. If we believe government should rightly exist 
specifically for 
the purpose of protecting those individual rights, then 
inevitably we 
must take issue with some behavior of the government toward the 
people, 
regardless of the inviolate nature of the objective touted as 
justification.

I did the terrible drugs, and I know most are shit, legal and 
illegal, 
but none bad enough to justify shooting people to keep them from 
using 
it. None. Not all of them together is bad enough to justify the 
earthly 
Hell of our global War On Drugs, the dumbest and cruelest 
chapter in our 
history... so far.

The fact that the power structure knows the hypocrisy of it, but 
finds 
it expedient and profitable to keep it going makes respect for 
it 
difficult. We have freedom to practice religion, but no way to 
protect 
people from abdicating their freedom to religious power groups. 
If the 
momentum of the state beast is governed by a religious agenda, 
how do we 
protect the rights of the free from those who vote to use the 
law to 
promote the predatory thought-forms of the soul-collectors? The 
best 
defenses we have are an absolutely free press, and the guts to 
use it, 
the principle that government shall not pass laws granting 
religious 
precedence, and the guts to enforce it, and the stipulation 
public 
education be a non-discriminatory course in practical 
intellectual 
skills, empirical sciences, and objective history, all 
political, 
theological, and sociological considerations notwithstanding. We 
do not 
have to fight to obtain these defenses against political or 
religious 
power groups, or others. We must fight to preserve them, and 
make full 
use of them, however, or they will become curiosities quietly 
removed 
from popular history.

From: people
To:
Date: Wed Nov 21 00:11:31 2001

Message:

From: people
To:
Date: Wed Nov 21 00:11:31 2001

Message:

From: North Carolina Gal
To: Everyone
Date: Mon Jan 14 20:49:05 2002

Message:
Just want to let you guys know that I'll be gone for 
awhile...Have to go to Portland,Oregon..My Mom's not doing so 
well..Everyone take care and I hope to be back soon

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Take care NC Gal.
Date: Mon Jan 14 21:13:38 2002

Message:

From: open mind/closed fist
To: James
Subject: Beasts & Soul-Collectors
Date: Mon Jan 14 21:00:08 2002

Message:
If the 
momentum of the state beast is governed by a religious agenda, 
how do we 
protect the rights of the free from those who vote to use the 
law to 
promote the predatory thought-forms of the soul-collectors? 
===============================================================

Dude! If I like, vote, does that mean I am, like, supporting the 
thought forms of the soul-collectors? Whoa! Dude, I totally dont 
like soul-collectors or state beasts. Tell me more Charlie!

From: om/cf
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Best Wishes
Date: Mon Jan 14 21:18:48 2002

Message:

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Mon Jan 14 22:21:35 2002

Message:
I don't know how many people got that,but I thought it was funny 
as hell!Ya know"Tex"had his very own ministry down in Texas for 
awhile,don't know if its still goin,or if he killed all the 
members yet.Squeaky and Sadie are probably running a day care 
center somewhere.

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Subject: Sir Charles
Date: Mon Jan 14 22:34:07 2002

Message:
www.charliemanson.com/ 

I about shit 6 months or so ago when I read in a newspaper about
Manson having a website. He supposedly has input from prison 
into what goes into the website. Only in America!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: James Nathan, Unknown Re:Post Jan 14 18:49:40
Subject: In reply
Date: Mon Jan 14 21:59:17 2002

Message:
James Natham: Refering to a specific part of your post, stating 
that perceived freedoms once taken by one's government in times 
of national emergency, crisis or war...are not easily retrieved 
is a valid point in my view. It's probably appropriate I speak 
on such matters about my own nation and government, rather than 
someone else's. In saying that, one can draw parallels in this 
instance, in that in the U.K. has hastily drawn up parliamentary 
legislation regarding the internment without trial of 
suspected 'terrorists' in our country, which was subsequently 
passed. Such legislation that impacts on basic freedoms of 
ordinary citizens, has though in addition, been passed subject 
to an annual parliamentary review, and as such, can be duly 
revoked. Revoked in the event of such legislation no longer 
being required, if deemed that the 'danger' has passed. How such 
danger at some point in the future can truly be said to be over 
however would be subject to wide interpretation, one suspects. 
Thanks for your comments.

As has already been hinted at, I'm intriged,...just what ARE 
soul collectors?...sounds a little scary.

Unknown: As an intitial comment,...err..it's thorough...  
writing a thesis for a doctorate in Political Sciences perhaps? 
Again, one would assume your comments are aimed at your 
compatriots, I'm not necessarily at liberty to speak of someone 
else's national constitution in any great detail or indeed 
knowledgable enough to comment in great detail. To show your 
efforts were not in vain, I'll at least post some general 
comments at a later stage. 

Quoting from Jim Davidson: (His namesake in Britain is a well-
known stand-up comedian)

"In other words the history of the British Empire as regards 
respect for the rule of law, including the law of war, is very 
bad."

Unquote.

As a Brit...thanks a lot.


From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: Da Board
Subject: Soul Collectors
Date: Mon Jan 14 23:53:06 2002

Message:
Yeah but........... But my civil liberties are doing quite fine, 
thank you.  Aint no one yanked me outta line at no 
airport.  'Cuz I don't look like no Arab. So, don't cry for me 
Argentina, know what I mean ?  Yer talkin' in the 
abstract, 'kay ? Now, concrete: This "erosion of civil 
liberties" just doesn't affect ME.  My civil liberties have 
never been better.  There are inconveniences, but a small price 
to say.

Now, about the Taliban cook and all that crap.  Man, that was a 
really long post.  Again, bottom line time:  It IS a war, even 
if you don't like it. So if we wanna pretend these animals in 
Gitmo are not prisoners of war, we can do that. If we wanna let 
them get eaten by mosquitos in their animal cages, we can do 
that. THEY ARE OURS, to do with as we please.  They are in OUR 
chains so we make the rules. In fact, we can do anything we 
want.  We can feed these bastards to ther sharks and say we were 
letting them have an exercise swim, consistent wityh the Geneva 
Convention, which we don't hafta follow if we don't want but we 
mostly will.

My biggest question is what do we do with these guys when we're 
done with them ?  I still think an exercise swim is just the 
ticket.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Jan 15 00:13:20 2002

Message:
BRITAIN has protested to the US about the treatment of
                       al-Qaeda prisoners and sought assurances 
that they will be treated
                       in accordance with international norms. 

                       The Times has learnt that Jack Straw 
telephoned Colin Powell,
                       the US Secretary of State, over the 
weekend amid mounting alarm
                       about the conditions of prisoners at the 
US naval base at
                       Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. 

                       The 20 prisoners, including one Briton, 
were hooded and shackled
                       during a 27-hour flight from Afghanistan 
and are being held in 8ft x
                       6ft cages that are open to the elements. 
Six more British Muslims
                       will join them soon and another planeload 
of suspects left
                       Afghanistan for Cuba last night. 

                       Yesterday the Pentagon announced that Red 
Cross inspectors
                       would be admitted to Guantanamo Bay this 
week. Officials
                       insisted that they had nothing to hide, 
and that the prisoners were
                       being treated properly. Each was receiving 
 three culturally
                       appropriate meals  a day and could 
exercise and shower daily. ______________________________________

Culturally appropriate meals:That term covers a lot of 
territory,doesn't it?LOL!! 
 I don't care for Nazi torture shit,but if the shoe was on the 
other foot,and they were holding Americans,I wonder how humane 
THEY would be to us?

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Real American
Date: Tue Jan 15 00:21:45 2002

Message:
Sorry I didn't post sooner,I wasn't ignoring your question,been 
really ill lately.
 I don't know what to say really about the"Real 
American"post.On one hand I agree with the guy,but at the same 
time it gets a little complicated since its also a religious 
issue.We are asking why Muslims aren't signing up with the 
military,but are the Christians signing up?Should we be 
suspicious of Christians'loyalty also?To be a Muslim is a 
suspicious activity lately.There are extremist factions in nearly 
every religion.Christianity has its goofballs also.
 As far as our constitution is concerned,I'm not so worried that 
the Words will be changed,but how they will be interpreted 
worries me.We are all learning here that we have freedom of 
speech,(as long as our words do not offend others). The offending 
others part is not mentioned,but it is now viewed as part of that 
sentence.You can be severely punished for offending people in 
America.Its not illegal to speak your thoughts,but it IS highly 
advisible to keep your mouth shut.
 Our rights will remain intact for quite awhile longer,but for 
anyone who is stupid enough to exercise them,it may cost them 
dearly.
 Today we learned from our president that its a good idea to chew 
our food before we swallow it.Please tell me why I shouldn't be 
worried. 

From: boxer
To: Walter
Subject: enlighten me
Date: Tue Jan 15 01:39:19 2002

Message:
It appears to me that what you've accomplished thus far is to 
project your personal inadequacies onto the board.  Your 
snivelling tone and rhetoric preceed you, which amuses me to some 
degree.  Then again, ignorance is bliss.  Good luck in the future 
with your high brow pseudo intellect, and do stay politically 
correct.  We FINALLY got past Clinton; perhaps Blair ought to 
step down as we

From: om/cf
To: Unknown Poster
Date: Tue Jan 15 06:55:14 2002

Message:
*Compensate the Victims*
Incapacitating criminals is not necessarily in the
interests of victims or third party individuals.
Rather, compensation of the victims by the criminals
is a proper objective.  Incapacitating criminals and
depriving them of the means to obtain financial 
resources with which to compensate the victims is
wrong.  Further assessing fines from criminals which
are not turned over entirely to the victims operates
as fraud.
------------------------------------------------------
"depriving them of the means to obtain financial 
resources with which to compensate the victims is
wrong."

LO fucking L!!! Im sorry. I'll compensate you. No, really I will.
You can trust me. And I'll never do it again!

From: Get a grip
To: Camp brit
Subject: Muslim summer camp
Date: Tue Jan 15 09:41:52 2002

Message:
THis just in! The English pro human rights organization has 
offered to open a new "summer camp" for all those poor Taliban 
POW's. The Hoof and Mouth live stock that was destroyed needs 
eating up any way so the cantaminated fields will be opened up 
for use as a Muslim mosh pit! Pig chasing and other fun games 
will be held daily! HoooooooooY! 

From:
To:
Date: Tue Jan 15 12:56:26 2002

Message:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/200110
31_eff_usa_patriot_analysis.html

From: Everyman
To:
Date: Tue Jan 15 12:57:05 2002

Message:
September 11th Tragedy Must Not Eliminate Other Real Concerns

 

Dear Friend,

It is understandable that we Americans feel an almost reflexive 
need for unanimity in trying times like these. As a nation, we 
are rightly consumed with responding to the terrorist attacks on 
September 11th. But, at some point -- and I think we're 
beginning to get there -- we need to take a long-term view even 
as we are reacting to the current crisis. Really important 
domestic issues facing us before all of this happened -- 
education, energy and the environment, health care -- still have 
the same dimension and consequence. But we have to recognize 
that it's much more difficult to discuss and debate them in the 
aftermath of Sept. 11th. Unfortunately, disagreement is 
sometimes characterized as unpatriotic during times such as 
these and open, thoughtful discourse is somewhat muted. The 
gravity of the current situation is not lost on any of us and we 
all want to do what's right to insure our national security. It 
is with this in mind that I felt compelled to write you today.

A handful of determined U.S. senators, encouraged by the White 
House, are arguing that national security requires the Senate to 
rush a pro-oil energy bill into law. They have vowed to hold up 
normal Senate business and attach the bill to every piece of 
legislation that comes to the Senate floor. So far they have 
failed in what The Boston Globe is calling "oil opportunism." 
But with President Bush, himself, now calling for rushed passage 
of this disastrous bill, intense pressure is building on Senate 
leaders to succumb to the emotions of the moment.

Using our national tragedy as an opportunity to advance the 
narrow interests of the oil lobby would not be in the best 
interest of the public. This bill, already passed by the House, 
would not only open the Arctic Refuge to oil rigs, it would also 
pave the way for energy companies to exploit and destroy 
pristine areas of Greater Yellowstone and other gems of our 
natural heritage. As important, it would do nothing to address 
energy security.

I'm asking for your immediate help in stopping this legislation. 
After reading my letter I hope you'll take action at 
http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic?ref=430198 and then (copy and) 
forward this letter to your friends and colleagues.

Last spring, the Bush administration and some members of 
Congress said we had to pass the president's oil-friendly energy 
bill because we were facing the most serious energy crisis since 
1973. But here we are, a mere six months later, and the energy 
crisis has vanished. Due to a slowing economy and falling 
demand, the prices for gasoline, natural gas and home heating 
oil have plunged. Meanwhile, the much-feared "summer of 
blackouts" in California never happened, largely because 
consumers and businesses made dramatic cuts in energy use by 
launching the most successful statewide conservation campaign in 
history.

With no energy crisis to scare us with, the administration and 
pro-oil senators are now promoting their "Drill the Arctic" plan 
under the guise of national security and energy independence. 
Don't buy it. It would take ten years to bring Arctic oil to 
market, and when it arrives it would never equal more than two 
percent -- a mere drop in the bucket -- of all the oil we 
consume each year. Our nation simply doesn't have enough oil to 
drill our way to energy independence or even to affect world oil 
prices. 

We possess a mere 3 percent of the world's oil reserves, but we 
consume fully 25 percent of the world's oil supply. We could 
drill the Arctic Refuge, Greater Yellowstone, and every other 
wildland in America and we'd still be importing oil, still be 
paying worldwide prices for domestic oil, and still be 
vulnerable to wild gyrations in price and supply. As The Atlanta 
Constitution put it: "Burning through our tiny oil supply faster 
will not make our country more secure." I'd go further: 
increasing our dependence on oil, whether that oil comes from 
the Persian Gulf or the Arctic Refuge, practically guarantees 
national *insecurity*. And we know that it will bring more 
habitat destruction, more oil spills, more air pollution, and 
more global warming. The public health implications will be 
devastating.

If our nation wants to declare energy independence, then we have 
no choice but to reduce our appetite for oil. There's no other 
way. We need to rely on smarter and cleaner ways to power our 
economy. We have the technology right now to increase fuel 
economy standards to 40 miles per gallon. If we phased in that 
standard by 2012 we'd save 15 times more oil than the Arctic 
Refuge is likely to produce over 50 years. We could also give 
tax rebates for existing hybrid gas-electric vehicles that get 
as much as 60 mpg. We could invest in public transit. We could 
launch an "Apollo Project" to bring fuel cells and hydrogen fuel 
down to earth, allowing us to begin the mass production of 
vehicles that emit only water as a by-product. The list goes on 
and on.

In this climate of national trauma and war, it is up to us -- 
the people -- to ensure that reason prevails and our natural 
heritage survives intact. The preservation of irreplaceable 
wildlands like the Arctic Refuge and Greater Yellowstone is a 
core American value. I have never been more appreciative of the 
wisdom of that value than during these past few weeks. When we 
are filled with grief and unanswerable questions it is often 
nature that we turn to for refuge and comfort. In the sanctuary 
of a forest or the vastness of the desert or the silence of a 
grassland, we can touch a timeless force larger than ourselves 
and our all-too-human problems. This is where the healing 
begins. Those who would sell out this natural heritage -- this 
spiritual heritage -- would destroy a wellspring of American 
strength. What's worse, their rush to exploit the wildness that 
feeds our souls won't do a thing to solve our energy problems.

There are plenty of sensible and patriotic ways to guarantee our 
nation's energy security, but destroying the Arctic Refuge is 
not one of them. Please tell that to your senators. They 
urgently need to hear it because the pressure is on to move this 
pro-oil bill to a vote in the next few weeks. It will take you 
only a minute to send them an electronic message from NRDC's 
SaveBioGems website. 

Go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic?ref=430198

And please forward this message to your family and friends. 
Millions of Americans need to know about this cynical attempt to 
promote the interests of energy companies at the expense of 
everyone else.

Sincerely yours,

Robert Redford


From: Marines
To:
Date: Tue Jan 15 13:30:45 2002

Message:
When it absolutly, positively
has to be destroyed overnight!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: DON'T TREAD ON ME
Subject: Perseptions
Date: Tue Jan 15 13:38:34 2002

Message:
I agree with what you say about one perceiving one's civil 
liberties as not having changed. The internment law I previously 
mentioned has no effect on me personaly, and nor do the other 
security measures that my own government passed through law in 
order to combat the threat of international terrorism. I've 
never fallen foul of the law, nor do I anticipate doing so, so 
any changes in the law shouldn't effect me directly. 

My point IS though , life by it's very nature, is unpredictable. 
Using a topical example, it's certainly not beyond the realms of 
possibility that President Bush could have died, had he been 
rendered unconscious for a longer period of time. And how?...by 
trying to eat a pretzel. Although none of us anticipate falling 
foul of the law, if...for the sake argument, we did, one would 
realise fairly quickly the reality of any laws passed...at 
the 'sharp end', so to speak. Internment means one can be kept 
without trial indefinately. I agree that in the cirumstances, 
such precautionary measures are sensible so long as there is 
actual danger. 

People voice their concerns, because such law can creep into 
everyday situations over time, say a number of years,...law 
that's not necaessarily directly related to terrorism. My view 
is that it's simply being wise, NOT to be paranoid, but simply 
to be 'aware' of any changes, that if one does not look closely 
enough, are hard to notice. (Using an example, though obviously 
not internment related; a man was released yesterday from prison 
after spending 25 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit, he 
was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.)

As far as the 'holiday makers' at the Guantanamo Hilton are 
concerned, this is my personal view: Going by what happened in 
Afghanistan a few weeks ago and the taliban's/al-Qaeda's 
attempted break out resulting in the death of a U.S. soldier 
guarding them,...they are extremely dangerous. The U.S. 
military's caution in dealing with, again seems sensible. 

Speaking of perceptions, how have you as a U.S. citizen 
perceived Britain's role in this conflict so far?       

From: Spaniard
To: Ignorant WASPs
Subject: UBL
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:28:04 2002

Message:
Why don't you simply count U.S casualties properly. Oh, I 
almost forgot, your news media is made up of great jewish 
liars. Is it really worth what the US administration is doing 
aroung the globe? Do they really think they can eliminate 
Arabs? I personally don't agree. The most plausible thing they 
are persueing is feeding hatred against all Americans. 
Remember, glory is not eternal.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Subject: More perceptions
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:58:48 2002

Message:
Thanks for taking the trouble to take a look. In reply to your 
observations, yes...it's true that one should not expect a 
particular group, say along religious lines, to join the armed 
forces. But, saying that, perceptions rightly or wrongly count 
for a lot. It could be perceived that certain sections of the 
community are not pulling their weight, that they are not being 
represented in proportion to the population, such as R.A. 
stated. In the absense of specific reasons as to why muslims are 
not represented in sufficient numbers, people such as R.A. are 
then left to draw their own conclusions. Paradoxically, although 
someone like R.A. might very well welcome seeing muslim citizens 
among the armed forces, one wonders...would everybody?...you may 
well have seen the film, "The Lords of Discipline".

On reflection, my earlier post sounded rather flippant regarding 
raising of the issue of your nation's constitution, because I do 
realise it's a serious matter. I'm well aware of your concerns 
regarding it.

I too value healthy democracy, though I don't value those who 
try to abuse the freedoms it provides, many times at the expense 
of others. Personaly, I think activism puts up more barriers 
than it attempts to break down. A case in point against that 
approach, was the moderate N.I. catholic S.D.L.P. leader John 
Hume, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. He lead 
by good example. In the end, his non-threatening, non-ambivalent 
approach won favour within the corridors of power at the 
Whitehouse...not the much hyped and publicised U.S. profile of 
the more extreme Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams. John Hume, was 
the one who cleared the way for progress in his province. 
Basically what I'm saying is that if there are enough people 
with that moral centre to them in the general population ,that 
that I my opinion, is what ultimately strengthens a nation's 
democracy and keeps it healthy so that people aren't afraid to 
speak their mind, when they see injustice. If you'll recall 
Amazed, as just one of his 'demands', he wanted to get rid of 
the C.I.A. He's lost the plot in my opinion. What is required, 
is for people of true moral stature to pervade the institutions 
of government, and by sheer force of numbers make them moral and 
representative of the people they serve, or should serve. If 
there's dodgy dealings in regards to more secretive aspects of 
our governments, I beleive it results through a basic lack of 
morality. The institutions themselves aren't necessarily without 
merit, after all there are still plenty of bad people in the 
world, who would like nothing more than to see democratic 
governments fall.

I've probably strayed off the point a little, but there it is. 
Hoping you get back to full health soon.        

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Just saying "Hi!"
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:23:20 2002

Message:

From: mystery
To: mysteryman
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:54:31 2002

Message:
......................

From: om/cf
To: All
Subject: Johnny Jihad
Date: Tue Jan 15 18:00:53 2002

Message:
So John Walker is charged and is looking at a life sentence max
pending conviction? Thats OK, as long he gets to serve his time 
with a general prison population. He will pray to Allah for 
death.

From: Get as grip
To: Spanird
Subject: Jews
Date: Tue Jan 15 18:18:11 2002

Message:
Hey I'd just as soon shoot the Jews,, but we can say one thing 
for sure. You are an IDIOT! well...hell I'll shoot YOU! Hate the 
Arabs.. oh shit why? with out them we'd have no target practice 
at all. As far as WASP, Mmmmmmmmmmm might just take a recount on 
your little shitty poast, last count we have less Wasp % than 
many other countries. Spain, let's see......Oh yes! last 
important thing Spain did was in the early 1800s Quite the lot! 
Ooooooooooooo ye! 

From: An american
To: God
Subject: help me understand!
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:
God,
I don't get it the way some poeple act so crule. Why is it that 
i never got why Bin Laden did this all in the first place. Help 
me understand for i can't hear your comand

From: om/cf
To: Unknown Poster
Subject: What da hell was ya tinkin?
Date: Tue Jan 15 21:17:42 2002

Message:
Another goal I don't share is discouraging "other 
individuals from joining al-Qaeda" which, as far as I'm
concerned is an attempt to restrain individual liberty
in political expression.  I do seek to discourage
attacks on civilians in the US, though that does not
necessarily operate as a concern for attacks on USA
military targets.
==========================================================
Is this the same al-Queerda which has openly stated its 
intentions to kill Americans, civilians or otherwise? The same 
al-Queerda that killed innocent civilians without any remorse, 
before or after? The same al-Queerda whose lead camel jockey 
rejoiced and took obvious pride in the killing of innocent 
civilians. But you would not discourage a fellow citizen from 
joining such an organization of murderers and yet state that you 
discourage attacks on civilians in the US.
 You are really fucked up! You need to seek help now! You need 
to be handcuffed, headbagged and sent to join your goat humping 
brethren in the Guantanamo Zoo. If you put on a good show for 
the Red Cross we'll start charging admission with the proceeds 
going the US Military, to get rid of fuckups like you. Jackasses 
like you are the very reason liberties (not rights) get screwed 
over. And then that gives you something to bitch and moan about 
so your life seems to have meaning. Untill that cause ceases and 
another bitch takes over your soul. Oh my, I get it now, soul 
collectors!


From:
To:
Date: Tue Jan 15 22:53:52 2002

Message:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: Stupid Spic
Subject: Your Dumb-Ass Post
Date: Wed Jan 16 01:57:33 2002

Message:
We have counted our casualties "properly" you knucklehead:  
One.  That wasn't very hard.  Whaddya sayin ?  That more 
Americans have been killed and the Pentagon is covering it up ?  
Most people I've talked to bvelieve that to be the case and ya 
know what ?  They don't care. Whatever it takes to eliminate 
these bastards. And what is your sweat gland of a country doing 
to help in the effort against terrorism ?  Huh ?  Why don't you 
guys go piss off some bulls and go have another civil war, 
huh ?  Spain. Shit.  Who gives a good goddamn about Spain.  Next 
thing you know we'll have the fucking Portuguese posting here 
about how bad the Americans are.

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: UK Citizen
Subject: Your Last Post
Date: Wed Jan 16 02:11:20 2002

Message:
I understand what you're saying about civil liberties.  Hey, on 
Sept. 10th I was what we call here a "bleeding heart liberal."  
Well, maybe not exactly.  Some people called me that butb they 
are so far to the right they are in danger of falling off the 
earth.

Anyway, things are different now, isn't that what everybody's 
sayin' ?  At least in the States anyway. I've always thought 
this guy Ashcroft was a creep.  I really believe though that we, 
the people, won't let it go too far.  Our history tells us that 
things will in fact go too far and that those who oppose what's 
happening will be called "un-American" but if things get too off-
the -wall more and more people will stand up to declare 
themselves "un-American" and things will right themselves.  In 
other words, the American people are a built-in safety device to 
keep the civil liberties restrictions from careening out of 
control. Sounds corny but I believe it. 

In response to your question, I have perceived Britain's role to 
have been great (so far). (Is it Britain or the United 
Kingdom ?  I know it doesn't matter, but any preference ?)  THe 
media here probably could have reported more on the British 
contribution, but Americans understood that the Brits (you 
probably like that as much as we like being called Yanks) were 
on the ground with your special forces.  And the British 
intelligence services have been rightfully praised.

Couple questions for you; 1) Jack Straw's comments about being 
concerned about conditions in Guantanomo--strictly for local 
public consumption ? I don't think your gov't really has any 
objections to the set-up in Cuba and I'm sure it realizes that 
Americans, being who we are, don't really give a shit what 
anyone thinks; 2)Doncha think Charles was a little rough on the 
kid ? Or put another way, do you think his method of dealing 
with the situation will prove effective (or was that for public 
consumption, too?); 3)do Britons feel like they're getting the 
shitty end of the stick with this "peacekeeping" force ?  When 
the US decides its done, we're getting the hell out.  You guys 
gotta stay and deal with these Looney Pashtoonies.

From:
To: Dnnt Tread On Me
Date: Wed Jan 16 07:33:32 2002

Message:
You said---->   Looney Pashtoonies

Watch it

Peace

From: Get a grip
To: all
Subject: desert waist land
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:58:04 2002

Message:
Hey, what do you get when you seal a cave full of taliban 
terrorists?






































Satisfaction!

From: shaq
To: all who give a shit
Date: Wed Jan 16 11:09:18 2002

Message:
you know what i say

OUSAMA FOR PRESIDENT HE HAS MY VOTE WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU 
PECKERHEADS

From: U.K.Citizen
To: DON'T TREAD ON ME
Subject: Stiff upper lip...and all that
Date: Wed Jan 16 06:36:38 2002

Message:
As you rightly say, things certainly are different now. It's 
impact has been profound on many levels. Even viewing things 
from 3,000 miles away, I was moved to show my support in this 
fashion (which itself is a little out of character for me), by 
talking to U.S.citizens such as yourself, directly. One can 
appreciate your stance, in reaction to what happened in 
September.

Oddly enough scanning through, I happened upon a website 
dedicated solely to opposing the said attorney general, so he's 
obviously not Mr.Popular then,...at least he wasn't on his 
appointment. Not knowing too much about him, it's probably best 
I don't venture an opinion. Again in turn, I appreciate what you 
say about things righting themselves of their own accord, at 
least over time, regarding the civil liberties issue.

By definition Britain includes England, Scotland and the Welsh 
Principality, along with a few little islands off our coastline. 
The U.K. is all of that...and Northern Ireland. As I'm not from 
N.I., one is as good as the other, and I do thank you for asking.

Once again, it's interesting to know what the actual extent of 
media coverage is, and at least in some way the U.S. public 
realises, one supposes, that they're not alone in this. I know 
THAT sounds corny, but small things like that can make a lot 
difference to people's perspectives.

In addressing your questions, in regards to that first one, that 
may depend upon which news source one refers to and the spin 
they put on it. My own understanding was that as a result of the 
phone call between our nations's foreign secrataries, our 
government is apparently in "full agreement"..no less, with the 
U.S.'s stance regarding the captives in Cuba. Mr.Straw was said 
to have confirmed that, although, as has already been stated 
quite correctly in a prior post, he did in addition voice 
concerns over British passport holders currently held captive, 
possibly on behalf of other organizations. All very embarrasing 
really...having British passport holders in the rougues gallery. 
The reason for the somewhat contradictory messages, probably 
owes a lot to your third question, as it happens. Mr.Straw one 
suspects, is treading a narrow line diplomatically, what with 
our troops in bandit country, commonly known as Afghanistan and 
Mr.Blair's self-appointed role as world diplomat. Britain wants 
to be seen as being whiter than white, one assumes, so in short 
trying to please everybody, but of course one can't please 
everybody.

So hazarding a guess, is Mr.Straw...voicing 'concerns' for our 
domestic consumption?, most probably, but also with an eye on 
Tony Blair's apparant role as world statesman. Mr.Straw is left 
with little room for manoeuvre here. As you very amusingly 
observed, in the end...it doesn't really matter what anybody 
else thinks, the U.S. will do what it sees fit, whoever the 
captives are.

Our Royal Family. The Queen carries the burden of responsibility 
well, but the rest just aren't up to it at present. People are 
realizing they're just like everybody else, flawed. Being that 
Charles' mother is 'celebrating' 50 years as our Queen this 
year, this was THE...LAST THING...the Windsors needed. If 
Charles was harsh, it's because I suppose there's an 
unattainable image to be maintained. To be perfectly honest I 
don't keep up with latest on the right royal saga. All I can say 
is, considering the press intrusion, pressure and death of his 
widely adored mother...it's little wonder that Harry had gone 
off the rails.

In answer to your last question, yes...I think we realize we're 
holding the shitty end of the proverbial stick, but 
stabilization of the country had to be done rapidly otherwise a 
renewed civil war would have occured, undoing all that has been 
achieved thus far. From what I've heard from the troops being 
interviewed, although in one respect they're dissapointed not to 
have seen action, they have settled in well in Kabul as 
peacekeepers with little or no hostility from the locals...as 
yet. Those around them realise they're there to improve things. 
Many serving there, have had experiance serving in the Balkans 
doing a similar task. There's also a lot of unexploded ordinance 
everywhere, but...so far so good, though I daren't speak to soon.


I've always liked the American sense of humour, especially 
you're wordplay...Looney Pashtoonies....hmmm...I'll have to 
remember that one.                 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Unknown?
Subject: Peace
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:08:14 2002

Message:
I'm sure it was said in a light-hearted manner. No offence.

From: cathexis
To: U.K. Citizen
Subject: hello
Date: Wed Jan 16 17:27:26 2002

Message:
Just wanted to say that the common concensus here in the States 
is that those terrorists among us ought to be executed, not out 
of some supposed human rights violation, but in order to properly 
eliminate the threat of any more acts of murder from them.  I 
have to believe that this is the point boxer was attempting to 
make.  He would have done better had he not resorted to attacking 
your manhood in public, as he did.
  I've often wondered if the general feeling in the U.K. 
regarding the I.R.A. is that they should be executed for their 
acts of murder, or if there might be some punishment deemed more 
favorable by the Brits.
  That's all I have to say.  Won't hold up the board any

From: open mind/closed fist
To: All & U.K.Citizen
Date: Wed Jan 16 20:18:06 2002

Message:
Oh boy, where to begin? Shoe Bomber/Air Reid has more 
connections than a mafia crime boss. Damn good thing he is a 
dumbass!
 Little Johnny Jihad was quite the enterprising young go getter.
Imagine if he had put that much effort into something worthwhile.

``Within the first several weeks of his arrival there, in or 
about early June 2001, Walker learned from one of his 
instructors that bin Laden had sent people to the United States 
to carry out several suicide operations,'' the complaint said.

What? And he didnt come warn us? And 3,300 people are dead now!
If death is not warranted in this case then why should some 
nobody be put to death for killing a nickle and dime drug dealer 
over a bad deal? America needs to put this piece of shit to 
death to set an example and to show we will "walk the walk" on 
terrorism, no matter who is involved. If the death penalty is 
not a deterant, it is only because it is not utilized enough to 
make it a real threat to the criminal element.
--------------------------------------------------------------
George Harris, a San Francisco attorney hired by the family, 
said on Tuesday that Walker had not been given an opportunity to 
speak with a lawyer.

Now lets get this straight. He goes to Afghaistan to join the 
Jihad, but still retains his rights as a American citizen.LOL!
===============================================================
I have a feeling the US will be on more than a training mission 
in the Phillipines. Gas up the planes and break out the Napalm.
Looking into those warm, moist areas. Six hundred troops and 150 
Seals, Berets and Rangers sounds like some intense training.
=================================================================

 
 UK Citizen: I was wondering, as I often do, what the situation 
reguarding Muslim citizens in the U.K. is. The top dog (I forgot 
his official title) at the Mosque that Reid, the shoebumbler, 
attended made some comments reguarding not being listened to on
the issue of Islamic Extremists. The fight school in Minnesota 
here in the US also made some claims of the FBI not being 
concerned enough towards unusual behavior of the 20th highjacker.
 Anyway, are Muslims in the U.K. being more closly monitored by 
the goverment. And what is your opinion on how Muslims are viewed
by the average citizen since 09/11/01?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: cathexis
Subject: Punishment of terrorists
Date: Wed Jan 16 20:26:20 2002

Message:
As far I'm aware sir, I don't think 'boxer' actualy has 
addressed me directly to my knowledge. Regardless, everyone in 
my view is entitled to their opinions.

In a rather longwinded answer to your question, in the U.K. 
capital punishment, otherwise known as the death penalty was 
revoked either in the late 50's or early 60's. It was removed 
I'd imagine due to conerns over miscarriages of justice, sending 
people to their deaths and then afterwards finding through new 
evidence that they were in fact innocent of the crime charged. 
It's quite true, that in the immediate wake of any new I.R.A. 
terrorist outrage in the U.K., if one asks the average person in 
the street what their gut reaction is, many would say, "put them 
to death". That anger subsides slightly as time passes. After 30 
years we've kind of gotten used to it, but it's not a war zone 
over here, it only happens once in a while. Over the years there 
have been repeated attempts to re-introduce the death penalty 
for exceptionally horrific acts of murder or mass murder through 
terrorism, each time it has failed. So basically, we've had to 
do without the ultimate in punishment, instead opting for 'life' 
sentences. Terrorists are largely politically motivated, and 
very often are fanatical, as opposed to your average criminal. 
The height of I.R.A. activity occured in the 70's, many of those 
responsible were caught and jailed, but being fanatics many went 
on hunger strike and died in prison, making themselves in the 
eyes of the impressionable, herioc martyers to the cause. This 
thereby created more terrorist fanatics. We in Britain have 
become hardened to the worst of extreme political activism. 
There are also terrorists groups opposing the I.R.A. in the U.K. 
who often murder innocent people. In order to secure some kind 
of peace, political prisoners on both sides have been released 
from jail early in recent years in a bid to draw the extremists 
into the democratic political arena, and away from bombing.

Personaly, I would listen to the views of the people who 
actually lost loved ones, as they pay the highest price when 
they see the killers of their loved ones go free for the sake of 
the peace process. Whatever their general concensus was, be it 
either.."kill the bastards" to "killing them won't bring my 
loved ones back"...I would support. Justice, not retribution, 
ultimately has to be seen to be served through the eyes of 
people such as those. 

Finally, bringing things back to the U.S., Sept 11 was a 
terrible new low in terrorist outrages. Baring, in mind what 
I've already said, it's obviously for the American people to 
decide what ultimately in the long run is the best course of 
action to take. I thank you for your question, and lastly you're 
certainly NOT holding up the board:-)      

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open mind/Closed Fist
Subject: Dear Sir,
Date: Wed Jan 16 23:05:17 2002

Message:
Quick word about Air Reid, I somehow KNEW you'd get to him 
before I did! (chuckle)...,indicted on 9 nine separate counts I 
hear.

I noted with interest your comments regarding the death penalty, 
and if I'm correct it's availability varies from state to state.
I can appreciate as it is still widely practised, the death 
penalty is a way of life...or death...so to speak in the U.S. Is 
it practised in the state you live in? If so, what's been the 
general reaction from people to its use over the years in your 
particular state?

I think the charge, at the very least of inattentiveness can be 
leveled at both our nation's security services. They are now I'm 
quite sure, re-doubling their efforts.

Months prior to Sept 11, our summer riots, as I'd previously 
mentioned in some of our towns, highlighted racial tensions and 
divisions. Sept 11,...did not help matters. People who simply 
looked foriegn, not necessarily muslim, were definately...on 
edge. There has been an increase in racial attacks in certain 
parts of the country. One expected something like that to kick 
off, in the wake of Sept 11...but things have quietened down as 
of late. To be fair, I think most people whatever their race 
were dumbfounded by what happened. It was a reaction of a 
section of the termed 'Muslim' population, mostly Pakistani, (as 
we do have other immigrant nationalities from the Asian sub-
continent) who were most vocal. Our Indian originated population 
expressed their sympathies from the outset. Muslim youths have 
been seen as 'fair game' by white youths. In some poorer areas, 
not all, communities have separated, especially in some northern 
towns. I'm sure community leaders are working hard to try to  
heal the rifts that became evident. The fact that the main phase 
of the conflict is over, allied to the fact that British troops 
are helping to set up a stable government in Afghanistan is 
going a long way to reassuring those vocal Muslim elements in 
Britian. There are extremists who'll never change their opinion, 
but I'd say the bulk of the more moderate Muslims are, I guess, 
reassured. As you can appreciate that's only how I see things.

As a last thought, I realised that from the outset, that the 
U.S. had it's own agenda to serve...naturaly, and wished to 
prosecute the 'war against terrorism' in it's own way. It sounds 
odd, but my Prime Minister's thoughts just happened to mirror my 
own thoughts on the subject, by and large. The U.S. government 
appreciated the help of Britain, a too-long neglected religious 
dictatorship was crushed, and a people freed, few military 
casualties, and the terrorists either captured or on the run. In 
the circumstances, not too bad for 4 months work. There is still 
the problem of food distribution and long term aid in 
Afghanistan, but hopefully other nations around the world will 
contribute towards that effort.      

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Shaq
Date: Thu Jan 17 00:23:32 2002

Message:
To someone like you, who has only half a brain, I obviously 
don't wish you well in your vain efforts to find the other 
half...Peckerhead.

From: Worst nightmare
To: bajo
Subject: your thoughts
Date: Thu Jan 17 06:05:27 2002

Message:
Isn't bajo the same as ass hole? I mean your actions about the 
states certainly states that. Are you sure you aren't related to 
pussy lips bin Laden?

From: om/cf
To: U.K. Citizen
Subject: Death on hold
Date: Thu Jan 17 06:54:18 2002

Message:
Illinois Governer declared a moritorium on the death penalty 
over a year ago. Apparently a few death row prisoners were 
either innocent or there was some question to their guilt. In 
Illinois there is an incredible array of appeals available to 
anyone sentanced to death. The average length of time from 
conviction to death is something like 20 years.
 As an example, it took 21 years to put a killer from my town of 
Rockford to death. This man went on a spree that gripped the 
whole area with fear. He robbed gas stations and other 
businesses and shot the employees in the backs of their heads. 
Sometimes he didnt even take the money from open cash registers. 
This went on daily for a week. And the taxpayers had to foot the 
bill of this animal for 21 years as well as pay for the laywer 
for all of the appeals.

 

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: BRITISH CITIZEN
Subject: Death Penalty & The Irish
Date: Thu Jan 17 08:10:36 2002

Message:
For what it's worth, in my state, we supposedly have the death 
penalty (which I opposed on 9/10/01) but no one's ever been 
executed.  In the 70's our Supreme Court decided the death 
penalty was unconstitutional as it was "cruel and unusual 
punishment" and violative of the 8th Amendment of our 
Constitution.  Few years later, the Honorable Justices 
said "Ooops, never mind" and capital punishment was ok again. 
Our state quickly reinstated the death penalty, people were 
convicted and sentenced to die but their death sentences were 
ALWAYS reversed on appeal until a few years ago.  When that 
happens, the condemned hops from the state court system to the 
federal court system and the petitions and appeals begin again.  
It's alot of work putting somene to death some places. In some 
states, notably Texas, it seems they do it frequently. Bastards 
like that bald headed fart Mousoui (sp?) go right into the 
federal system from the get-go, so getting him dead won't take 
so long (witness, Tim McVeigh).

This (death penalty) REALLY bothers  Europeans doesn't it.  
General American reaction to that ?  "Oh those Europeans think 
they're sooooo superior to us."  And as with Guantanomo, and 
most other things, bottom line is we don't care what others 
think.  All countries look out for their our self-interests 
first, of course.  But we Americans seem to relish pissing off 
people.  Especially the French.

FRom post here and elsewhere I have a question:  Do the English 
hate the Irish ?  Look down on them ?  I know the quest. calls 
for an overgeneralized answer, but what's the basic feeling 
towards the Irish.  I come from a town with a large population 
of folks (that's an american word for people) of Irish heritage 
and Irish immigrants still came there. People knew damn well 
what NORAID was and gave money to it. Gerry Adams would have 
gotten a parade had he visited my hometown (when i was a kid --
"demographics" have changed). Bobby Sands was a martyr.  Bars 
had jukeboxes with songs like "The Ballad of Bobby Sands"  . 

From: Get a grip
To: Marines
Subject: Taliban
Date: Thu Jan 17 09:49:14 2002

Message:
Humane treatment of Taliban POW's = .45 right between the eyes, 
facing Mecca, of coarse! Cheap effective, humane! 

US Marines, 
 When it absolutely, positively
Has to be destroyed overnight!

From: Get agrip
To: Shaq/Bajo
Subject: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 17 10:08:48 2002

Message:
Shaq, 
  You can go to the cave where Usama butt lipps is hiding and 
tell him you want to "vote" for him. He will then strap a bomb 
to your sorry ass and push "play" 
Bajo,
  I've gotta bullet with your name on it! wanna play cowboys and 
ass holes??
  Spainyard,
GFY! ES&D! get it????

From:
To:
Date: Thu Jan 17 10:17:04 2002

Message:
Arafat is a terrorist.

From:
To:
Date: Thu Jan 17 10:17:42 2002

Message:
Jesse Jackson is a racist.

From: John
To:
Date: Thu Jan 17 10:43:48 2002

Message:
Air Reid - now that's creative.

UK Citizen,  you said -->
"To someone like you, who has only half a brain, I obviously 
don't wish you well in your vain efforts to find the other 
half...Peckerhead."

Now that's the first time I heard you raise your voice.  Bout 
time.  Stay upset, will ya.  :-)  Only with properly focused 
anger will folks understand.

Some of the best best (humor filled) reading material has been 
posted these past days.  Keep it up.

John
E...

From: Ashraf
To: All..
Subject: Prophet Mohammed, May Peace and Prayers be Upon Him, and Jesus..
Date: Thu Jan 17 11:06:47 2002

Message:
What to Hindu Scholars say about Islam ?

Recently, we have seen false accusations made against Islam and 
Muslims in
India and Kashmir. I would like to suggest everyone ignore these 
hate
mongrels who will go to any length to cause dissention and 
animosity between
Muslims and Non-Muslims. Let's look at what some well respected 
Indians had
to say about Islam, Muslim, and their prophet Muhammad (Peace be 
upon him):

Mr. Mahatma Gandhi:

"Someone has said that Europeans in South Africa dread the 
advent Islam --
Islam that civilized Spain, Islam that took the torch light to 
Morocco and
preached to the world the Gospel of brotherhood. The Europeans 
of South
Africa dread the Advent of Islam. They may claim equality with 
the white
races. They may well dread it, if brotherhood is a sin. If it is 
equality of
colored races then their dread is well founded."

And in "Young India", he wrote:

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed 
sway over the
hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced 
that it was
not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the 
scheme of
life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of 
the Prophet,
the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to
this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, 
his absolute
trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword 
carried
everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I 
closed the 2nd
volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not 
more for me
to read of the great life."

Miss. Sarojini Naidu, Poetess, in Ideals of Islam:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced 
democracy; for in the
mosque, when the minaret is sounded and the worshipers are 
gathered
together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day 
when the
peasant and the king kneel side by side and proclaim, God alone 
is great."
The great poetess of India continues, "I have been struck over 
and over
again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes a man 
instinctively a
brother. When you meet an Egyptian, an Algerian and Indian and a 
Turk in
London, it matters not that Egypt is the motherland of one and 
India is the
motherland of another."

Prof. Ramakrishna Rao, in "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam":

"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into 
the whole
truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic 
succession of
picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad, the Prophet. There is 
Muhammad, the
Warrior; Muhammad, the Businessman; Muhammad, the Statesman; 
Muhammad, the
Orator; Muhammad, the Reformer; Muhammad, the Refuge of Orphans; 
Muhammad,
the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad, the Emancipator of Women;
Muhammad, the Judge; Muhammad, the Saint. All in all these 
magnificent
roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike 
a hero."
... Muhammad is the "Perfect model for human life."



From: Get a grip
To: Ashraf
Subject: Muhammad
Date: Thu Jan 17 12:01:51 2002

Message:
Muhammad...The lying sack of shit!!!!!!!!
His writings are PURE TOLTALITARIANISM. and I quote "we will 
have our religion and they will have theirs". "Those who are non-
beleivers will die of dasease of the body" and on & on & on!
Be it as you say..Equality is the fear. Muhammad is not the 
perfect example, NO RELIGIOUS LEADER IS AN EXAMPLE OF EQUALITY! 
IN FACT, ANY RELIGION IS A FIGMENT OF SOME PERSON'S IMAGINATION 
AND NOTHING MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANY KORAN OR BIBLE IS WRITTEN BY A 
HUMAN AND IS NOT THE WORD OF ANY GOD, JUST THE OPINION OF A 
MORTAL MAN!!!!!!! HE MAY HAVE DELUSIONS OF DIVINITY, THAT IS ALL!
Preach not..kill not..NOT IN THE NAME OF ANY GOD! NO MAN IS MORE 
DIVINE THAN ANY OTHER! We all have opinions and we all have ass 
holes, take your pick they both are full of shit!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 17 13:35:14 2002

Message:
NO MAN IS MORE DIVINE THAN ANY OTHER!____________________________

 Then why is it that your national leaders have bunkers to go to 
in case of a nuclear attack,while you have Nothing?
                

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 17 13:51:35 2002

Message:
Because they are chicken shit! Just look at Usama, and his 
followers. Wearing burkas, they got caught when someone tried to 
put some McDonalds trash through the slot and one cried Allah! 
I'm being infideled!.He He . My son he said, you have been 
infidel! Get on your Knees and pray that the great and merciful 
Allah will forgive you! That's it just a little 
lower.....Seweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Oy!  

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: News Flash
Date: Thu Jan 17 13:53:26 2002

Message:
Bin Laden has left Afghanistan...

didn't someone here surmise this a month or more ago?

Has anyone seen the new Al-Queda video that was found?

U.K. Citizen-hi back

From: John
To: UN-NAMED POSTER
Subject: Jessie is racist, Arafat is a terrorist...
Date: Thu Jan 17 14:51:03 2002

Message:
Jessie is racist, Arafat is a terrorist...

Thank you for your insightful observation of the "FREAKING 
OBVIOUS."         duh...  

John
E...

From: Merlyn
To:
Subject: Hate
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:17:49 2002

Message:
Those who raise their children to hate, and are full of spite, 
are the first to run and hide. It is always those who are of 
conviction and courage who die for peace. Teach your 
children ....not to hate..The last person to want war is the 
father of a son sent to war. He would rather die a thousand 
deaths.
          Merlyn /|\

From: Get a grip
To: All
Subject: Humor me/ Male or female?
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:17:49 2002

Message:
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> ># 1 
> >SWISS ARMY KNIFE -- male, because even though it appears 
useful 
> >for a wide variety of work, it spends most of its time just 
opening 
> >bottles. 
> > 
> ># 2 
> >KIDNEYS -- female, because they always go to the bathroom in 
> >pairs. 
> > 
> ># 3 
> >TIRE -- male, because it goes bald and often is over-
inflated. 
> > 
> ># 4 
> >HOT AIR BALLOON: male, because to get it to go anywhere you 
> >have to light a fire under it ... and, of course, there's the 
hot air 
> >part. 
> > 
> ># 5 
> >SPONGES -- female, because they are soft and squeezable and 
> >retain water. 
> > 
> ># 6 
> >WEB PAGE -- female, because it is always getting hit on. 
> > 
> ># 7 
> >SHOE -- male, because it is usually unpolished, with its 
tongue 
> >hanging out. 
> > 
> ># 8 
> >COPIER -- female, because once turned off, it takes a while 
to 
> >warm up. Because it is an effective reproductive device when 
the 
> >right buttons are pushed. Because it can wreak havoc when the 
> >wrong buttons are pushed. 
> > 
> ># 9 
> >ZIPLOC BAGS -- male, because they hold everything in, but you 
> >can always see right through them. 
> > 
> ># 10 
> >SUBWAY -- male, because it uses the same old lines to pick 
people 
> >up. 
> > 
> ># 11 
> >HOURGLASS -- female, because over time, the weight shifts to 
the 
> >bottom. 
> > 
> ># 12 
> >HAMMER -- male, because it hasn't evolved much over the last 
> >5,000 years, but it's handy to have around. 
> > 
> ># 13 
> >REMOTE CONTROL -- female...Ha!...you thought I'd say male. 
But 
> >consider, it gives man pleasure, he'd be lost without it, and 
while 
> >he doesn't always know the right buttons to push, he keeps 
> >trying.

From: Spy
To: Asshole in the video with the machine gun
Subject: Asshole in the video with the machine gun
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:18:47 2002

Message:
Fuck you and fuck your fucked up religion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also--fuck all of you in the video and your fucked up religion 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Islam has proved to me that it's a religion of HATE !!!
A prime source of teachings for those who wish to be 
nothing more than arrogrant murderers.

From: Get a grip
To: Spy
Subject: Muslim SHIT
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:48:00 2002

Message:
Welcome to the club. 
Muslim religion is a pile of S.H.I.T.
Muhammad was a M.O.R.O.N.!
The Koran is a L.I.E. 
Islam is a bunch of ASS HOLES!

From: Spy
To: Palestein {:@(
Subject: Sorry--I left you off the list
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:57:12 2002

Message:
Fuck you also you little jihad dogs{:@(

From: Walter
To:
Date: Thu Jan 17 18:14:34 2002

Message:
Christianity is a pile of shit!
 Its leader was caught in his lies and killed!He was a moron!
 Its followers watched with glee as the life flowed out of its 
leaders body!
 Israel:I will watch the slaughter of your people!

 That sound good to you people?

From: Roy
To: Everyone
Subject: Suzy Delucci and Mud Shrimp
Date: Thu Jan 17 18:41:02 2002

Message:
On January 14th 2002,  Susan DeLucci of Kittery, Maine woke up 
with a painful need to urinate.  Thinking it was diarrhea 
shestood up and ran out of bed to find the diarrehea was coming 
out of the wrong hole.  Susan wobbled to the toilet and sitting 
down her vagina erupted into the most horrific messy farting 
noise anyone ever heard.  In paralyzing pain, Ms. Delucci 
continued to push and squirt out of her vagina a burning tide of 
wretch and filth while she gripped the sides of the tub.

Screaming hysterically, neighbors alerted the police and 
medics.  upon arrival, they found Ms. Delucci wearing nothing 
but a bath robe.  Running down her leg was a brown and green 
discaharge.  Her exposed vagina at which point a creature no 
longer than a thumb print and encased in mucus landed on the 
floor with a wet popping sound.  Shocked one of the paramedics 
went to heave into the toilet bowl only to see hundreds of tiny 
mud shrimp gasping for water and flipping themselves over and 
over.  The horrified medic took note of the many mud shrimp that 
were boiling with baby brown discharge.

Ms. Delucci's official death report was the result of shock and 
severe head trauma from falling.  Upon autopsy, the coroner 
stated that a friend of hers stated that Ms. Delucci had brought 
a live lobster at a fish market a few days ago and would use 
lobsters to occasionally "PLEASURE HERSELF" while taking a bath.

She would sometimes purchase a live lobster from the local fish 
market and in the eveing while lying in the tub, she gently 
inserted teh creature's tail into her vagina for pleasure.  DNA 
found lobster along with pubic hairs  wedged between lobster 
tail joints.  Coroner found lobster had eaten mud shrimp and 
then defecated the mud shrimp into Ms. Delucci's vagina.

Mud shrimp are usually harmless and founf in all fish stores.  
They are boiled and harmless but in this case, it took only 2 
days to gestate and Mrs. Delucci was only four days from getting 
her period.  This is similar to Sea Monkeys that were used 
decades ago to hatch in water.

The tragedy of this young woman is heartbreaking for all of her 
family and friends, the mud shrimp doubled in size after ten 
days.. Ms. Delucci had a promising career as an attorney now cut 
short by a very foolish sexual practice.

From: Walter
To: Roy,Roy,the gullible boy
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:10:31 2002

Message:
I saw this same article posted on the internet 3 years ago 
posted as"current"news.Same as last year,and the year 
before.Makes a funny story,but....................

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: More clues..
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:22:50 2002

Message:
Death on hold, sounds like the lawyers can't loose, their 
profession's got it made...the world over. Goodness knows what 
people in your home state must think, every time they have to 
fill in their tax return.

Thought you should know, a Mr.Baghdad Meziane 36 ,an Algerian 
national, was arrested in Leicester (pronounced "Lester") today 
charged with directing the al-Qaeda terrorist network. He was 
apprehended by Leicester's and the London Metropolitan Polices's 
anti-terrorist branch.

The link we've been looking for? Surely Iraq just has to be the 
front runner now!
 

From: Get a grip
To: Roy
Subject: Mud shrimp
Date: Thu Jan 17 21:49:54 2002

Message:
Yuck! Bad as gerbles! Urban ledgand! Just who thinks women are 
that stupid....ok ok I won't ask! Just for the record. 
  Let's just say any idiot with c-4 in his shoe is right up 
there with the mud shrimp thing! Ya gotta be a few short of a 
bunch to think anyone is going to give a shit when you light up 
like a fire work and kiss your ass good bye. THe fucknut kissing 
his gun just might? be strung out on heroin, just might be?? He 
looks lit like a frekin supernova! So did the shoe bomb boy, 
just the shoe bomb boy looks like he was missing a few nuts to 
start with! Where do they get these freggin freaks!!!!!!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: DON'T TREAD ON ME
Subject: Views across the Irish Sea
Date: Thu Jan 17 20:21:40 2002

Message:
Refering to your last post in reverse order, do the English hate 
the Irish? Well...again it's only from my own perspective, but I 
don't really recall over the years any rallies with banners 
saying "Irish Out!".  First off Ireland has a population of say 
4 million all told, the U.K. has around 8 million people who are 
Irish or of part-Irish decent. Irish jokes were prevelant, but 
aren't so much now. If there's any anti-Irish animosity at all 
it's very subliminal, nothing obvious. A feeling I think you'll 
identify with is, when a new outrage on the British mainland 
takes place, we all ask ourselves....Why are they bombing US? 
Northern Ireland to many, is a world away. In fact, to many in 
the Irish Republic,...it's a world away. Because the Irish 
factions in N.I. fight amongst themselves continuously, it's not 
really seen as an Irish vs English situation by most of us in 
Britain. It's just a conflict we seem to simply get dragged 
into. Only English far-right groups have direct connections with 
Loyalist Extremists in N.I. They DO have banners, but not "Irish 
Out!" so much as..."Smash the I.R.A.!" and so on. Just the other 
day, a perfectly innocent young Catholic man was gunned down in 
cold blood at the hands of the now disbanded Loyalist terrorist 
Red Hand Defenders oufit. Quite ironically, many English go to 
the Irish Republic for their holidays, and people have come back 
and said what a great time they've had there. "The people are so 
friendly!"..go figure!...I know American's have bought second 
homes in the Republic for many years now.

As you may have read, I mentioned in reply to somebody the issue 
of I.R.A. funding. I hear what you say about where you grew up, 
and what you saw...and heard, at first hand, and that's fair 
comment. An interesting insight indeed. I disputed the fact with 
this person in which he stated that many, if not most, knew 
fully what money they gave, was in reality, going towards. I did 
read, that the proportion who "knew" as opposed to those 
who "hadn't a clue" was relatively small. I'm including Boston 
and New York here. Again, is that your general perception?  

Moving on, I guess the Americans and the Europeans have 
stereotypes of each other. At this point, I'll tip my imaginary 
hat to 'an Italian guy', he's been a staunch U.S. supporter on 
this board. Again, some amusing comments from 
yourself...regarding the average American's atitude to being 
lectured from afar. Never understood why people need to have to 
do that. If you'll pardon me sir, I find you Amercians to be 
perhaps brash/self confident, yes...but never arrogant. Having 
been to the States many years ago, I found your people to be a 
generous and warm hearted bunch.

Again, thanks for the information regarding the death penalty in 
your state, once again a similar situation. As you mentioned 
Timothy McVeigh,...he sought martyrdom, aside from his extremist 
anti-federalist supporters, did he get his wish?

President Bush used the term 'folks' when refering to the 
terrorists the day after the attack. I remember thinking at the 
time, that wasn't QUITE the word I would have used

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Get a Grip.
Subject: (Your post).re:Shaq
Date: Thu Jan 17 22:07:32 2002

Message:
That exact thought passed through my mind too, couldn't have put 
it better myself! 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen & All
Date: Thu Jan 17 21:49:48 2002

Message:
There is a reason there are more jokes about laywers than any 
other profession.
 Taxes in the U.S.A.! With tax time coming up I had to read my 
tax rebate letter from Mr. Bush to make sure I didnt have to 
claim that as Income. The letter states no federal (or feral) 
taxes are owed but Im not sure about state tax. I just hate this 
time of year although the goverment is nice enough to give my 
overpayment back after they have made money off it all year. 
Such a deal!
 You would think, if a fellow was going to get into terrorist 
activities he might want to change his name to something a 
little more discreat. The BBC website listed on other name of 11
arrested. I wonder who the rest were, Saddam, Arafat and Usama?
 I saw something yesterday about Saddam spouting off how much 
better Iraq is prepared today for the infidels aggression than 
they were in the Gulf War. He operates on the principle, if you 
say it enough times even yourself will believe it.

 I saw some of the earlier comments on religion while at work. I 
stand by my earlier comments of religion (no matter which) being 
great on a personal level. It is interesting that the American 
Indians of the late 1800's and early 1900's beleived that having 
ones photograph taken resulted in having some of ones soul taken.
If you consider Osama and al-Qaeda's love of making home movies 
and realize they have no soul, it kinda makes sense. I believe 
in the Great Spirit, not to be confused with the Great Pumpkin!

From: psy ops
To: everyman/ Robert Redford
Subject: disinformation
Date: Thu Jan 17 22:48:00 2002

Message:
Hmm.  Interesting.  Perhaps we can reduce our consumption of 
oil down to 22% after we drill around Yellowstone and in the 
Arctic region you mention.  We might even reducefurther our 
dependence on foreign oil suppliers after we tap for crudein 
Alaska.  That way, we might even eliminate our need for foreign 
oil.  Kiss off, OPECers!  

  I'll be sure to bring it up to my Congressman. Thanks for your 
sage wisdom and advice.  

  Now, then:  how best to begin a-tappin'?

  Hugs and kisses,

  
  psy ops

  cc:Dustin Hoffman

  courtesy the Washington comPost

  Public Relations Division, Propaganda Laison


  ^^*

From: U.K.Citizen
To: John
Subject: Hello there sir...
Date: Thu Jan 17 22:15:47 2002

Message:
Hey John...regarding Shaq, he WAS asking for it, and he'll get 
more of the same IF he manages to find his way back here. My 
attack criteria are fairly narrow though: people who attack the 
board as a whole, or me as an individual. 

We can agree to differ as to whether Amazed was U.K. Voices, his 
identity doesn't really bother me either way. Again for the 
record, I'm not setting out to change his mind or anybody elses, 
just simply to state my point of view. As for individuals such 
as Amazed, I'm quite happy to challenge them on the arguments, 
and counter them if I'm bothered. He wasn't going to get away 
with it. Just to say, good choice of 'handle', with plurabus 
unnum, good sentiments behind it, so why the abbreviation 
nowadays?...all this informality, it won't do, you know:-)

Roy, a front runner for grossest post award. I guess a case of 
the old ones are the worst ones. Yuk.
   

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Those giving a good example
Date: Thu Jan 17 23:04:00 2002

Message:
Paul Newman's a good example I'd say. Always done a lot for kids 
charities I understand, very modest about his great efforts in 
that area. A good guy. I know another good guy too:-)  

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Spy & all
Subject: Get a room, wouldya
Date: Thu Jan 17 23:30:46 2002

Message:
Hello Spy! Welcome back. When you posted on the subject of:
Asshole in the video with the machine gun 

Were you talking about the dirtbag apparently having oral sex 
with his lovin AK. I've read Guns & Ammo for years, and those 
guys love their guns, but I've never seen a picture of someone 
trying to french a gun before. I dont even want to see the rest 
of the new video's. A gut feeling tells me there will be a new 
definition for animal husbandry................................

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: U.K. Citizen
Subject: The Irish
Date: Thu Jan 17 23:30:18 2002

Message:
I remember that, when Bush called the terrorists "folks" and 
remember thinking "'Folks'????????????".

My experience in "My Home Town" (as Bruce Springsteen would 
say/sing.  I'm from New Jersey. Bruce is our patron saint.  Our 
state, of course, is named after some little dippy island over 
there) is that people knew fully well where the money went that 
they gave to the "relief groups" for "the north of Ireland" as 
they insisted on calling it. BY the way, from a few posts ago, I 
did know what the UK consisted of. Admittedly, most Americans 
don't.  And of course, most Americans don't care.  I was just 
asking if thgere was a preference for "Britain" or "the U.K".  
For example, I try to never --- maybe I  slip sometimes--refer 
to where I live as "America"..  I figure that includes two whole 
continents.

I dunno.  Not much to say about the Afghanistan situation 
today.  WE supposedly got some big cheese from al-Queda at the 
Hotel X-Ray in Cuba.

On another slow day, you have to explain to me how a 
parliamentary system works.  I know the basics, but what I don't 
get is the timing of elections. I asked a British guy about this 
at Thanksgiving (an American Holiday begun by Pilgims who would 
have been England's Taliban given the chance). He explained to 
me.  I just nodded and pretended I understood. I didn't.

Don't the Scottish people talk funny ?

From: Spy
To: open mind/closed fist
Subject: dogs{:@(
Date: Thu Jan 17 23:54:34 2002

Message:
Yeah--I saw that SOB suckin' on the gun and ya know --it's
the same old shit.

Years ago (70's;early 80's)---some news people were 
interviewing one of these jihad dogs {:@(  ; and the bastard 
had a guitar and was strumming one chord out really 
violently.
He then smashed the instrument and picked up a machine 
gun. He said the sound of his machine gun pleased him 
more and then proceeded to cut loose with pride. The 
sound of spilling blood pleased him more than the sound of 
music.

What sick fucks they are.

From: Spy
To: open mind/closed fist
Subject: I've got to say his guitar playing sucked
Date: Fri Jan 18 00:24:51 2002

Message:

From: Everyman
To:
Subject: Loonies
Date: Fri Jan 18 04:26:42 2002

Message:
So, how do the Looney Pashtoonies compare in value to the 
Canadian Looney?  Have we found something lower on the market 
than the Canadian dollar?

From: om/cf
To: Spy & all
Date: Fri Jan 18 06:40:56 2002

Message:
A musical terrorist! I've heard a few myself. They arent much 
better with firearms though. Thats why they prefer strapping on 
bombs, bound to get a few that way unless....................
 
Mr Reid had trouble igniting his explosive-packed trainers 
because his feet were sweating and had dampened the non-metal 
fuse, said US officials.

The best laid plans of mice and dumbasses. 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Speaking of.......
Date: Fri Jan 18 06:55:24 2002

Message:
musical terrorists, I see Brittany Spears has come over 
entertain the British. Keep her, PLEASE?!! 

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade strikes again
Date: Fri Jan 18 07:28:22 2002

Message:
Yes, the young girl celebrating her 12th birthday was a real 
threat...

From: Everyman
To:
Subject: America's Most Wanted
Date: Fri Jan 18 07:28:22 2002

Message:
Ramzi Binalshibh
 
       Abd Al-Rahim, 

       Muhammad Sa id Ali Hasan

       Khalid Ibn Muhammad Al-Juhani. 

From: Everyman
To: om/cf
Subject: Brittany
Date: Fri Jan 18 07:45:42 2002

Message:
I see she was just cited by the fashion police...
(do you think she prefers "Brit", or "Brittany"?)

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Brittany
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:03:28 2002

Message:
Soon to be featured in playboy! Then she will be headed for the 
survivor show, after that it's on to late night TV talk shows! 
Perhapse she will do a side in victoria secret or hustler! That 
is if the tabloids get paid off.......Or will she stay the girl 
in the fuzzy sweater?.......... My memory's just been sold! 
there she is in the centerfold! 

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: get a grip!
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:41:25 2002

Message:
In Philadelphia the following sign was in the window of a 
business: 

"We would rather do business with 1000 terrorists than with a 
single Jew." 

Ordinarily this might be cause to get the anti-Hate groups 
involved 
but perhaps in these stressful times one might be tempted to let 
the 
proprietors, Goldstein's Funeral Home, simply make their 
statement.

From: John
To:
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:44:36 2002

Message:
A POST WORTHY OF REPEAT:


From: Walter 
To: 
Date: Thu Jan 17 18:14:34 2002 


Message:

Christianity is a pile of shit!
 Its leader was caught in his lies and killed!He was a moron!
 Its followers watched with glee as the life flowed out of its 
leaders body!
 Israel:I will watch the slaughter of your people!

 That sound good to you people?


****************

Just in case a (very) select few do not understand Walter's 
message, allow me to simplify it, please.

Whether Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or Shedalist, faith is 
grasped & practiced, providing mostly good direction and 
guidance for the weak minded.  A billion Christians, a billion 
and a half Muslims, or one Shedalist, hardly ALL could be 
considered evil.  

Personally I believe many to be practicing an empty go-no-where 
faith.  But it keeps MOST out of trouble.  And that's good for 
all, and will have to do for now.  For the select FEW religious 
radicals in this universe (50 to 100,000 out of how many 
Billion ??? ), - our G-Men, Marines, and us all, have a decade 
plus, long fight ahead.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Merlyn
To: All Religion
Subject: Your path
Date: Fri Jan 18 10:43:08 2002

Message:
Your path of faith is yours alone. We need to see eye to eye, 
not take an eye for an eye...... Any religion that employs war 
or soldiers for God is sadly a faith of human sickness. 
Misunderstanding cannot be replaced with hate or distrust. 
Justice is a matter of discipline, not punishment. No Bible, 
book or preacher takes the place of your path and sacrifice is 
only the need to live by honesty, truth and insight. Any other 
definition leads to WAR. And war in the name of any God is a 
false hood and a signal to all mankind to turn away from such 
falsehood. 
            See eye to eye.............not an eye for an eye. 
                Merlyn

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: all americans/jews and those who harbour jews
Subject: jews
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:01:44 2002

Message:
Death to America
Death to its supporters, whatever religioin or race
Death to Israel 
Death to its supporters and those who sympathise with it.
One day we will regain the land of Palestine, god willing


From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: all americans/jews and those who harbour jews
Subject: jews
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:01:44 2002

Message:
Death to America
Death to its supporters, whatever religioin or race
Death to Israel 
Death to its supporters and those who sympathise with it.
One day we will regain the land of Palestine, god willing


From: MR U.R GAY
To: EVERYONE
Subject: SHUT UP
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:00:46 2002

Message:
I just want to say SHUT UP. you don't know what ur saying the 
Allah is indeed the most mercifull.  i don't agree with the 
terorist attacks but u don't know what ur saying so SHUT UP YA  
CORFA TRAPS! 









From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From: t|-|e_|)()/\/
To: To All Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:36 2002

Message:
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
As a part of our jihad against Israel we should make attempts to 
damage their economy in whatever way possible by boycotting 
their goods and export. This is a part of the Jihad and if we 
cannot fight physically then we should do this, if we are unable 
to do this we can have at least hatred for Israeli terrorists 
and their supporters in our hearts - this is very important, the 
people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim, 
remember that you are also Muslims and you could very easily be 
in this position of the Palestinian people
May God's curse be upon all enemies of Islam, upon the enemies 
of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), upon the enemies of his son-in-
law and successor Ali ibn Abi Talib

From:
To:
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:15:51 2002

Message:
death to america, israel and all its allies

From: God
To: Muslims
Subject: Your day has come to die
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:50:09 2002

Message:
Your false prophet has lied to you; you all are doomed to HELL. 
Denounce Allah! He is satin. All who are of Islam are hereby 
cursed and bound for HELL! Muhammad is Satins son. He has sinned 
the worst kind of sin All Muslims are cursed and bound for HELL! 
                   GOD















































































































You are Dammed! Repent or die!

From: God
To: Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:55:52 2002

Message:
Your false prophet has lied to you; you all are doomed to HELL. 
Denounce Allah! He is satin. All who are of Islam are hereby 
cursed and bound for HELL! Muhammad is Satins son. He has sinned 
the worst kind of sin All Muslims are cursed and bound for HELL! 
                   GOD















































































































You are Dammed! Repent or die!

From: GOD
To: Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:56:36 2002

Message:
Your false prophet has lied to you; you all are doomed to HELL. 
Denounce Allah! He is satin. All who are of Islam are hereby 
cursed and bound for HELL! Muhammad is Satins son. He has sinned 
the worst kind of sin All Muslims are cursed and bound for HELL! 
                   GOD















































































































You are Dammed! Repent or die!

From: GOD
To: Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:57:03 2002

Message:
Your false prophet has lied to you; you all are doomed to HELL. 
Denounce Allah! He is satin. All who are of Islam are hereby 
cursed and bound for HELL! Muhammad is Satins son. He has sinned 
the worst kind of sin All Muslims are cursed and bound for HELL! 
                   GOD















































































































You are Dammed! Repent or die!

From: GOD
To: Muslims
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:57:21 2002

Message:
Your false prophet has lied to you; you all are doomed to HELL. 
Denounce Allah! He is satin. All who are of Islam are hereby 
cursed and bound for HELL! Muhammad is Satins son. He has sinned 
the worst kind of sin All Muslims are cursed and bound for HELL! 
                   GOD















































































































You are Dammed! Repent or die!

From: America
To: Islam
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:57:38 2002

Message:
DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO ALL MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!
  Three by thrice, so it is written!

From: an Italian guy
To: all Muslims here
Subject: Mohammad
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:44:59 2002

Message:
What? What did I read here?? Mohammad perfect model?? 
I think it's an Arab-style perfection concept.
Didn't Mohammad kill lots of people - included woman and 
children - as he went to Mecca?


From: U.K.Citizen
To: the don
Subject: Sore looser
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:39:23 2002

Message:
I take back what I said about your creative use of the keyboard, 
that was temporarily the ONLY creative thing about you, it 
appears.

To my knowledge there's only one muslim on this board so your 
piss ass message won't get very far, and I doubt even he'd 
approve of you.

As for your pathetic "Death to America" remark, well "the 
dum"....in Britain they're friends of ours..see. So unless I 
hear an apology from you...you're as of now on the hit 
list....should YOU ever be "dum" enough to crawl back to this 
board.

Mr.Impotent....you fired off 13 rounds, and didn't manage to hit 
the target once, you're a pretty lousy shot aren't you...guess 
you're gun jammed like that scumbag who tried to shot those men, 
women and children today in Israel. 

But then, you're too "dum" to realize you're firing blanks...and 
from an U.S. ally....a word to the wise.......duck and cover.    

From: Everyman
To: t|-|e_|)()/\/
Subject: Palestinians
Date: Fri Jan 18 16:14:27 2002

Message:
You said:
"the people of Palestine are suffering because they are Muslim,"

The people of Palestine are suffering because they are killing 
innocent children...do you REALLY think that Allah smiles upon a 
terrorist that empties a submachine gun into a group of unarmed 
CHILDREN?  

No matter what faith, if someone walks in shooting away, there 
will be retribution.  It's not the RELIGION, it's the senseless 
acts of violence that are detested.

Hadith - Al-Muwatta 21.9 (Similar proofs in 21.8, 21.10, and 
21.11) 
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the 
Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw 
the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, 
and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and 
children. 


Hadith - Al-Muwatta 21.9 (Similar proofs in 21.8, 21.10, and 
21.11) 
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the 
Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw 
the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, 
and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and 
children. 

The Prophet  said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a 
mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling 
down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and 
whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be 
carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) 
Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills 
himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his 
hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein 
he will abide eternally forever." 

So abide your suicide bombers...

Ruling of Scholar of Today's Times - Sheikh Ibn 'Uthaymeen - 
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119 

Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means 
of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming 
the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as 
a result of this action? 

Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who 
has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall 
be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the 
authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam). 

[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly 
he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell 
forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]]. 

And in a hadith narrated by Abdullah bin Amr bin Al-As, God Told 
Mohammed :

You are neither hard-hearted nor of fierce character, nor one 
who shouts in the markets. You do not return evil for evil, but 
excuse and forgive. - Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 362





From: God
To: Islam
Subject: Muhammad
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:10:01 2002

Message:
Allah is Satin! Muhammad is Satins son, he is a lie and a 
sinner. The Koran is Satin's breath! Repent! or burn in HELL!!

From: Get a grip
To: Islam
Subject: Usama
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:28:34 2002

Message:
Usama is in HELL! Ain't it great! he he ..............

From: Spy
To: Islam Dogs{:@( ---you too |)()/\| the |)()G {:@(
Subject: Fuck Muhammad the Camel Dick Sucking Fool of a Prophet
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:41:47 2002

Message:
Fuck the Saudies, Iraq, Palestein and all you worthless
fools.  Islam SUCKS satan's small little inferior penis.






Over here -- a Mosque is refered to as "the Dog{:@(Pound".
Soon you will take the "Big Sleep"  



From: Spy
To: Get a Grip
Subject: Islamic Terrorist are a "ruff" pack of dogs{:@(
Date: Fri Jan 18 18:05:38 2002

Message:
Recent translation of one of their audio tapes found in 
Afghanistan cave complex.
"Bark--bark --bark" (sound of scatching fleas and/or lice on 
tape)----bark, bark----whimper-------whining------ruff-ruff.
Bark, 
bark------------------------------------pppppppiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssss
sssssssssssssssssssssss-KERFUCKINGPOW!!!!!!!!!>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----------.........(whimper,whimper,whimper,whimp
er,whimper-----------howwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeiiiillllll
l.

From: Spy
To:
Subject: FUCK YOU SAUDI ARABIA AND ALL YOUR DOGGIE FUCKING WHORE BITCH KIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri Jan 18 18:24:42 2002

Message:

From: Spy
To: Everyman
Subject: Answer: "You Can Bet Your Ass They Do !!! "
Date: Fri Jan 18 19:24:55 2002

Message:
You posted:
"The people of Palestine are suffering because they are 
killing innocent children...do you REALLY think that Allah 
smiles upon a terrorist that empties a submachine gun into 
a group of unarmed CHILDREN? " 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman, Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: Post haste..
Date: Fri Jan 18 19:00:30 2002

Message:
Everyman: You sir gave a measured response to 'the don', whereas 
I just reacted, duck and cover..that's of course 3 words, it's 
been a long day...

Om/cf: Listen..speaking of rough deals, we've also got David 
Cassidy over here..Las Vagas's loss..our gain??? I heard on the 
local grapevine that Robert De Niro's getting a riverside 
apartment not too far from me, thought of spinning him the "you 
lookin' at ME?" line, I'm quite sure he'll the funny 
side...won't he??!  
 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Jan 18 19:40:51 2002

Message:
OK send Brittany back, you've suffered enough. I can always turn
the volume down and watch the video.LOL!
 De Niro is a "goodfella" and I loved, Meet the Parents.

From: Spy
To: "Pussy Doggie Dick Sucking Islamic Terrorist Dogs{:@("
Subject: You and the goat god{SATAN} you pray to-----. Suck Dead Clinton Dick.----Should of took the land when ya had the chance !!!
Date: Fri Jan 18 20:15:13 2002

Message:
But you jihad babies want the total destruction of Israel.
Tsk tsk --marthyerfuckers.
Ain't gonna happen the way you dogs{:@( want it to.

From: open mind/closed fist
To: The Don
Subject: Flashbacks
Date: Fri Jan 18 20:45:41 2002

Message:
Remember this little tidbit from one of your posts on another 
board at this site?

America is nothing - u r divided, ure president cant even speak 
properly
muslims all over the world unite and fight the struggle against 
america and its allies for palestine - we hav unity something 
you never will have.

Remember my response? Here, let me help you.

 America does not hate Islam nor fear it. There are a million
practicing Muslims right here in the good old USA. You keep 
spouting your bullshit, your doing wonders for Islam. If your 
views were the only contact with Islam someone reading this 
board had, they would fucking hate it. Apparently thats your 
goal. Maybe, you are not a Muslim? For sure you are a DUMBFUCK!

From: Get a Grip
To: Dope headed faggots/ yea that's you Islam Dune CoonDick wheat!
Subject: Usama is DEAD!
Date: Fri Jan 18 21:46:26 2002

Message:
GO JOIN YOUR LEADER! chicken shit faggot goat lickin dog fucking 
wast of human life! Join Him IN YOUR SICK LITTE HELL! Die soon 
Martyer Jihad Islam wanna be fuckin Muslim. Every one of your 
sick evil litte twisted sacks of shit has a one way ticket to 
Satins fire place! Eat shit and die! 

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Fri Jan 18 22:32:18 2002

Message:
01/18/2002 : "Bush Vows to Talk to Turkey About Iraq 
Option" 

President Bush promised on Wednesday to consult with the 
Turkish government in his drive to force Saddam Hussein to 
let U.N. weapons inspectors back into his country.
Bush made the pledge as he answered questions from 
reporters during a picture-taking session with visiting 
Turkish Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit.
Ecevit came to Washington hoping to dissuade Bush from 
making Turkey's neighbor Iraq the next target in his war on 
terrorism. Turkey, a NATO member, fears military action on 
Iraq could spill over into its own territory, dealing another 
blow to the fragile economy.
Bush made no promises, insisting that Iraq must allow 
inspections to determine if it is developing weapons of 
mass destruction. Some members of Bush's administration 
would like to make Iraq the next target in the war after 
Afghanistan.
``I expect Saddam Hussein to let inspectors back into the 
country. We want to know whether he's developing weapons 
of mass destruction. He claims he's not: Let the world in to 
see. And if he doesn't, we'll have to deal with that at the 
appropriate time,'' Bush said.
What if Saddam refuses? ``He'll find out,'' Bush said.
But Bush added that he would assure Ecevit ``that we will 
consult closely with Turkey on any decisions that I make.''
``Turkey's an ally and a friend, and no decisions have been 
made beyond the first theater, and the first theater is in 
Afghanistan, and I do appreciate very much the Turkish 
support for our efforts in Afghanistan,'' he said.

AFGHANISTAN PEACEKEEPING

Bush also said he welcomed Turkey's decision to consider 
leading the international peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. 
Turkey has been considering taking over after Britain, which 
is now leading the force.
``There are some discussions as to whether or not Turkey 
will take the lead in the second round, and I appreciate their 
consideration of this very important matter,'' Bush said.
He said any decision on whether to help Turkey pay for a 
military commitment in Afghanistan would come after a 
commitment is made.
Both leaders welcomed an agreement by rival leaders of 
ethnically divided Cyprus to launch peace talks.
The Mediterranean island has been split along ethnic lines 
since 1974, when Turkish forces invaded the northern third 
in response to a brief Greek-inspired coup. Numerous 
attempts over the years to solve the conflict have failed.
Cypriot President Glafcos Clerides and Turkish Cypriot 
leader Rauf Denktash scheduled a series of talks starting 
next Monday.
``We're very encouraged that there's a dialogue now taking 
place,'' Bush said. ``You can't solve a problem unless the 
parties are willing to talk.''
Ecevit said ``it's good news'' that the two communities are 
now having a face-to-face dialogue but was cautious on the 
eventual outcome.
``They may not attain concrete results immediately but the 
very fact, the very process of dialogue, may lead to 
satisfactory agreements between the two communities,'' he 
said.
At the State Department, officials praised Turkey for 
improving ties with its neighbor Armenia that have long 
been soured by painful memories of what the former Soviet 
republic calls a genocide in World War One.
``We welcome Turkey's decision to lift visa restrictions on 
travel by Armenians to Turkey and hope it will contribute to 
improving Turkish-Armenian relations,'' State Department 
spokesman Philip Reeker said.
His remarks were a reminder of the debate over the 
genocide denied by Turkey and alleged by Armenians who 
say 1.5 million of their countryfolk were killed by Ottoman 
Turks as their empire crumbled. 
==========
By Steve Holland
Source:WASHINGTON (Reuters) 

==========================


From: Walter
To: John
Date: Fri Jan 18 23:08:37 2002

Message:
Thank you for reposting my post,and for saying it 
better.Sincerely.

From: om/cf
To: All & U.K.Citizen
Subject: Peacefull Religion?
Date: Fri Jan 18 23:56:24 2002

Message:
Reading thru the posts today I thought more and more about what 
the Islamic religion represents and what the 1 million Muslims 
in America have done to repair any damage done to them as a 
result of the attacks. I cant think of one thing other than 
getting police some good overtime pay protecting Mosques and 
Muslim Centers 24/7 from crazy pissed off Americans.
 Does anyone know what the hell our Homeland Security is doing in
relation to contacting Mosques here in the U.S. reguarding any 
possible extremists? Since all the 09/11/01 highjackers were all 
Muslims and were in the U.S. for an extended period of time, 
they would have attended some type of Muslim religious services. 
Maybe instead of protecting these institutions we would be much 
better served to investigate them nationwide. Once again, we 
should not give a shit about hurting some feelings, they'll get
over it or they'll leave. But maybe, just maybe we could root 
out a few like this:

Death to America
Death to its supporters, whatever religioin or race
Death to Israel 
Death to its supporters and those who sympathise with it.
One day we will regain the land of Palestine, god willing


From: John
To: Walter et al
Subject: ...This really, really, really, ain't about religion...
Date: Sat Jan 19 05:33:45 2002

Message:
You are quite welcome.  I've enjoyed your witticism.

I'm not liking the direction this board is taking.  This really, 
really, really, ain't about religion folks.  The religion is the 
excuse or purpose for; from which they gain support from the 
weak minded who follow.  Attack the religion you garner only 
greater animosity & contempt from these weak minds that follow.

It is the terror leaders like Usama, Omar, etc, who want it to 
be religion, who've fooled millions.  But they can't fool us.  
Don't allow them too.  We can and will win the hearts and minds 
of these poor fooled folks.  It will take time, effort, and a 
bunch of money to accomplish.  But, it will get done.

John
E pluribus unum

no abbreviation for UK Citizen :-)

From: Spy
To:
Subject: "ain't about religion..."???
Date: Sat Jan 19 08:22:17 2002

Message:
On a nationally broadcasted radio show (on thursday this 
week) a man called in claiming to be a muslim.
He explained to the host of the show that bin Laden could
not be guilty of the planes into the WTC. "----he (bin Laden)
cannot be guilty because he is a practicing muslim who 
prays 5 times a day. Therefore he can't be guilty."
The caller also explained how that if he had been killed that
day (9-11) in the towers----he too would have become a 
martyr because he is muslim and would have died in the 
jihad.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: DON'T TREAD ON ME
Subject: Timing
Date: Sat Jan 19 07:23:30 2002

Message:
Apologies for the delay in my reply, time constraints..a fact 
which I'm sure applies to many on this board! Just to say, I'll 
always reply to any qestions as soon as I possibly can.

So...before that rude interuption from 'the dum(b)', you 
mentioned election timing. Well, in a brief recap...the U.K. has 
from memory about 650 constituencies, roughly!, of which the 
number of M.P.'s in Westminster's parliament are seen being as 
representatives of. The Scot's now have their own newly devolved 
parliament, which at this point in time means, rather unfairly, 
the Scot's can vote in English matters AND vote for their own 
country's leaders too, though us English can't vote in 
theirs...but I digress.

We don't use proportional representation...which our 3rd party 
always screams for. It's a 'first past the post' system, a 
little similar to yours. You've probably heard this all 
already...so as far as timing goes, the ruling government has a 
little more latitude, it's kind of like the dealer in a game of 
Blackjack, who...CAN call 21, if everybody else has 20. Around 
about early May, normally May 3 is a favourite time, it's a bank 
holiday weekend, the weather's probably a little better, most 
families haven't yet taken their summer holidays...so it all 
helps to improve turnout. It's also choosen to coincide neatly 
with our local elections, killing two birds with one stone.

An newly elected government can rule a minimum of four years and 
a maximum of five years. Normally most governments try not to 
leave things until the last minute, instead planning, making 
false promises and sweetening the deal during April's Budget 
(ie; it highlights it's tax and spend policies for the 
forthcoming year IF elected), in the run up to the following 
month's proposed election date. This all normally happens in the 
fourth year of office, so that all the cards are stacked in it's 
favour. Leaving things to a fifth year means things are somewhat 
in the lap of the gods..as anything can go wrong and therefore 
can sour their chances of re-election. Hope that's clarified 
things.

Some regional accents, both English and Scottish are so thick, 
you need a hammer and chisel to get through them. However, 
regional dialects are slightly less common as people move away 
from their roots, and others try to mimic B.B.C. english to 
improve their job prospects. Things like that shouldn't really 
matter, but they do form an impression in one's mind.

I remember an instance, where I talked to someone from the 
english Midlands, around Birmingham, england's second largest 
city. In the cafeteria we were talking about what we were going 
to drink, and he said.."I think I'll have some qua qua."

I replied, "Sorry, what was that?"...

"A cup of qua..qua!", he repeated.

I desperately tried to think what he meant, then it dawned on 
me..

"Oh, you want a cup of cocoa.",..I replied, trying not to laugh.

He said indignantly.."Yes..THAT'S what I said..qua qua!!"

Now listen DTOM, don't get me started on music, or I'll never 
stop..also a big fan of Bruce...not Springfield I hasten to add. 
Despite all his great fame and fortune, watching him being 
interviewed he struck me as being a very, humble, down to earth 
guy. People like that have my respect. Following the theme, a 
good example to many. Speaking of matters Irish, although I'm 
not a big fan of his music, U2's Bono's also cut from the same 
mold in terms of character, no airs or graces about him.

Any other slower news days...just fire away with some questions, 
should you wish to, and I'll do likewise. 
   

From: Worst nightmare
To: diaper heads
Subject: your death
Date: Sat Jan 19 11:13:09 2002

Message:
Hey all you diaper heads ... screw with a Native American and we 
will give you a BIG & BEATUIFUL Jihad. First we'll cut off your 
right hand and then skin you alive before we kill you. As for 
you big whore bin Laden she's just a bitch coward like the rest 
of you.
Worst nightmare

From: Get a grip
To: Shadowhawk
Subject: Islam jihad fuckers
Date: Sat Jan 19 11:36:04 2002

Message:
Let 'em eat their words at death's door. we'll make the proper 
arrangements! 

From: Get a grip
To: Islamic nut balls who think they are Muslim, You are bastird infidels!
Subject: Usama Bin Laden is dead!
Date: Sat Jan 19 12:26:40 2002

Message:
And so is your stupid Jihad!
Dead! Dead! Dead!....get it....DEAD!
  I am sooooooooooooo Happy! he he!!! 
By the way. There is a great little Deli owened by a good Muslim 
from Afghanistan.. He's Happy too, his food is great! And the 
Bar across the street.. owned by a man from Afghanistan! He is 
Happy too! Happy Happy! He He .... Bin Laden and his Taliban 
disgrace to Muslim and Islam, dog fucers are HISTORY! 

From: om/cf
To: All
Date: Sat Jan 19 14:11:31 2002

Message:
China seems surprised their new plane had listening devices 
(bugs). I would be surprised if it didnt! The bug in the 
headboard of the Presidents bed could have been interesting.

Reid, the shoe bumbler, just seems stupider with every passing 
day. E-mail. Terrorism for Dummies. "Yes, yes, try to get on the 
airplane again you dumbass, and stop e-mailimg me."

Saddam Hussein seems to be getting more vocal as of late:

http://www.jordantimes.com/Fri/news/news5.htm
Saddam predicts US 'slide towards abyss' 

BAGHDAD (AFP)  Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, in a speech 
marking the 11th anniversary of the start of the Gulf War, told 
the United States it is sliding towards the abyss because of its 
excessive use of force since the Sept. 11 terror attacks. 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Saddam is writing books and making predictions, he sure has a 
lot of time on his hands when his people are supposedly starving 
and dieing.
----------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------
Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri on Thursday trampled a 
portrait of Bush at a photo exhibition of Iraqi civilian 
installations destroyed during the Gulf War. 
These savages remind us of the hatred of the Mongols and the 
Tatars and all the other savage peoples who tried to harm Iraq, 
he said. 
For his part, Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan vowed that the 
brave Iraqi people would foil any plot and any US-British 
aggression.
Iraq will be a graveyard for anyone tempted to violate our 
sovereignty, he said in a message to Saddam.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

 Oh pleeeeeeeeease! We've got way more hatred than the Mongols or
the Tatars. And certainly more ordanace. Are we in for one of 
those "Mother of all battles" things again? I think Iraq wants 
to break the record of giving up in three days they set in the 
Gulf War! Remember the brave Iraqi soldiers surrendering to 
reporters! 
L O.....whew.....deep breaths.....fuckin........L!!!!


From: Get a grip
To:
Date: Sat Jan 19 16:23:31 2002

Message:
Ooooooooh noo my Camel Aaached on my carpet,,, And I am not 
Haaaapy! 

From: Ashraf
To: Get a Dip, Italian Guy, Spy
Date: Sun Jan 20 00:03:38 2002

Message:
Get a Dip: 
and cool off.. You might be able to make more sense when you 
write something that's legible, instead of the filth you laid 
out above.. U r lucky this is only cyber space.. You would have 
regreted saying that if I were within 1,000 miles of you.. or 
so.. brave boy..

Italian Guy:
I guess if you disagree with the buddists about Mohammed, May 
peace and Prayers be Upon Him and Jesus, it doesnt give you the 
right to curse him, nor to alledge that he'd killed bla bla when 
he entered Mecca, because when he did enter it, not a tree was 
cut down, not a woman, child nor adult were killed.. Please, 
read history from its right sources.. then make your judgement.. 
If you wanna learn Basketball, a carpenter is not to be your 
teacher..

Spy:
You wrote:
Over here -- a Mosque is refered to as "the Dog{:@(Pound". Soon 
you will take the "Big Sleep"..
Over here, in the Arab world, we do have Churches, and we refer 
to them as Houses of Worship.. Its little brats like you, and 
the other butt-head " Get a Sip", that make the West and 
Americans seem to be so ignorant and disrespectful.. 

Peace.. but only to those who want it..

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: om/cf & Ashraf
Subject: stuff
Date: Sun Jan 20 01:16:33 2002

Message:
OM/CF, you asked what the office of Homeland Security is doing 
about checking out mosques. Good question.  But my question is: 
What is the Office of Homeland Security dsoing about anything ?
I felt sorry for Ridge.  He'd just been named to a goofy 
sounding position, didn't know  what his job was and probably 
didn't even have office furniture yet and they dumped that 
anthrax shit on him. But it has been a few months now. What are 
these guys doing.  Is his office gonna just add another layer to 
the bureucracy ?

Profound wors, Ashraf. "Peace.. but only to those who want it." 
It's too bad the Taliban and al-Queda and other terrorists don't 
want peace.  We have killed many and will have to continue to do 
so and will lose some of our young men and women in the 
process.  I just wish the Arabs wanted peace, because we do.  
Apparently, they prefer to bomb wedding receptions. That ain't 
peaceful.  So here we are and much death and destruction will 
follow.

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: u.k. Citizen
Subject: Matthw Parris
Date: Sun Jan 20 01:36:49 2002

Message:
Read an interesting article in THe Times today by some guy named 
Matthew Parris.  He says he loves America and Americans but 
we've got to lose that "we don't give a shit what anyone thinks" 
attitude.  Thought provoking article.  In the end, though, he's 
wrong.

Didja see some fucking terrorist BIT one of our soldiers at 
Hotel X-Ray.  BIT HIM !!!!! This is what we're dealing with.  
And we've got people saying we're not treating these bastards 
right ??????? I'm glad we don't give a shit what anyone else 
thinks about the way we treat these pricks.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: Re: Peaceful Religion?
Date: Sun Jan 20 00:26:44 2002

Message:
Having just read Ashraf's response...well...here we go again, 
religion's once again centre stage. As I'm not religious, I 
myself won't draw any value judgements on any particular 
religion. One can only observe the good and the harm that 
religion has caused in real terms during the history of 
civilisation. In a lot of ways over the centuries each religion 
has to a varying degree (again, open to dispute about what 
degree)..contributed to world culture and civilisation and 
the 'worth' of living a moral life. The main religions focus on 
there being ONE God, that much can...after a while, probably be 
agreed upon by most. Personaly, I think that's where it should 
be LEFT. Each of the main religions if practised true to their 
original broadly moral message, would be practised by people who 
would seek to avoid conflict at almost any cost. People in my 
view do have a basic right to defend themselves. Also, in my 
view, religious zealots abuse and twist that 'allowance' which 
maybe written into their religious writings to somehow justify 
their actions to be in the name of God(Jewish/Christian), Allah, 
whoever...whatever. Any conflict resulting thereafter by that 
abuse, in my view COMPLETELY undermines the reasoning behind the 
practising of ANY of these religions. One may as well not be 
religious...and simply be honest and admit to not being so. 
Religion should be synonymous with PEACE...and at this point in 
history..that's the last word I'd equate it with!

Om/cf...I hear what you say about voicing concerns about 
Islam, 'Muslim' Americans, and your concerns I know, are 
heartfelt. Sir, I wish I had some answers, you've suggested the 
monitoring of mosques,...that maybe the best approach...I've 
honestly, no idea. All I can say is, drawing from lessons learnt 
from N.I. and in the wake of the killing of an innocent young 
catholic man the other week, N.I. saw it's largest NON-
RELIGIOUS, NON-SECTARIAN rally against the un-ending bloodshed. 
A trade union organized meeting drew many..many thousands from 
both "religious" communities, and was the largest gathering EVER 
seen to date. The people..ALL of the people, have united to say 
no the violence and to try and ACTUALLY solve the problem,..it's 
a dammed pity they didn't start doing that 20 years ago.

 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: John, Open Mind/Closed Fist, the E.S.D., Spy, DON'T TREAD ON ME
Date: Sun Jan 20 02:12:54 2002

Message:
John: Ahah!..now THAT'S better. 

Om/cf: Seems like the odds are shortening on Iraq first, 
courtesy of Mr.Meziane. If it's not a clue..I'll take it as an 
omen.

theE.S.D and Spy: Both back briefly and firing on all cylinders. 
Hi to you both.

DTOM: Matthew Paris used to present a T.V. political/current 
affairs programme, he usually writes interesting stuff, I'll try 
and check out what he wrote, if it's online. Down at Hotel 
Gauntanamo, I hear they'll be doubling up pretty soon, hopefully 
they'll start chewing on each other instead. 

From: Walter
To: Don't Tread On Me
Date: Sun Jan 20 07:52:45 2002

Message:
Read an interesting article in THe Times today by some guy named 
                  Matthew Parris.  He says he loves America and 
Americans but 
                we've got to lose that "we don't give a shit what 
anyone thinks" 
                attitude.  Thought provoking article.  In the 
end, though, he's 
                                             wrong.______________

 You're probably right.It's too late for our government and 
people to give up their arrogant attitude.Bin Laden has shown the 
world that the U.S.can be attacked,and now terrorist actions 
against the U.S.will stop when the world ends.

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Date: Sun Jan 20 08:51:57 2002

Message:
It's assholes like you that make me feel this way you LITTLE 
PRICK !!!

From: Spy
To:
Subject: Saudia Arabia
Date: Sun Jan 20 09:18:30 2002

Message:
Over there they have no religious temples other than Islamic 
Mosques. They search people coming into their country for 
bibles--------we search people coming into our country for 
bombs. 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 20 10:02:27 2002

Message:
Like you, I am not a very religious person but, due to my 
enviroment probably more Christian leaning. I try to look for 
comman threads that tie the many terrorist groups together and 
Islam is the most comman thread. That makes it a fair issue in 
current discussions on terrorism. I dont go along with the idea 
of terrorist leaders "brainwashing" all of their poor mislead 
folks. I didnt believe it with Walker either.
 Boy its cold today. I think I'll have a mug of hot qua qua. 
Loved that story. I had a freind who lived a block away as a kid 
whose mother & father had come from England before their kids 
where born. The father was a big guy and had a thick accent (to 
us kids anyway) and everthing he said was Bloody this, and 
Bloody that, Bloody, Bloody, Bloody. I always liked the way he 
talked but he scared the hell out some kids!

From: om/cf
To: Dont Tread On Me
Subject: Hotel Guantanamo is under ATTACK!
Date: Sun Jan 20 10:35:49 2002

Message:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1771000/17
71687.stm

 Sunday, 20 January, 2002, 14:14 GMT 
Prison camp pictures spark protests 

The US Government has released photographs of the Taleban and al-
Qaeda suspects held at its prison camp in Cuba which show them 
being subjected to sensory deprivation. 
The prisoners are shown kneeling down, wearing goggles, ear 
muffs, surgical masks and heavy gloves. 

{kneeing down- Is that not how they pray?}
(goggles- for eye protection}
{ear muffs-block out the noise of loud transport planes}
{surgical masks-many of these "folks" er "fucks" have 
tuberculosis, highly contagious.}
{heavy gloves-so they dont spend all day polishing their poles}
----------------------------------------------------------------
Another human rights group said that not being able to see, 
hear, smell or touch would leave the prisoners feeling 
disorientated and suffering from hallucinations.

{See.....we are making them feel like they are at home getting 
high. They love it here!} 
---------------------------------------------------------------

They will probably have panic attacks, mood changes and terrible 
nightmares.
Helen Bamber, The Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of 
Torture

{Oh my goodness.....the victims in New York, Washington and all 
across the U.S. as well as the other countries with citizens in 
the WTC suffer from the same things. Maybe we could ship Dr. 
Phil from the Ohpra show to Guantanamo to help them work through 
their problems. I love the picture of the two soldiers carrying 
the Talibrainer toward about five armed soldiers. Whew...I bet 
he had nightmares that night!
 Dear Helen Bambitch, your help is needed more urgently in rural
Nebraska. Seems some poor chap has been tied up and sexually 
violated over and over. Apparently mucho torturo involvo.

From: Christopher Masood
To: To all those who hate afghans and muslims and allah
Subject: You it all have it wrong!!!!
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:
Half of you people have to have lost your mind!
Firstly The reson why SOME muslims hate The us and Britan is because of 
our policy face it the west is rich.
Thats one reson why we are hated in the Quran it says that Muslims shuld 
murder all christians and jews and any other religion who dont belive in 
the prophet Muhamed.
The second is the west is referd to as christians.
I have been to the us and have been in the WORLD TRADE CENTER 3 times!
In the world trade center there are many muslims woking there becuse i 
have seen there badges.
So the terrorists were not just killing so called Hindus, Jews and 
Christisans they were them selves and many other muslims inside the 
building.
Also in a video relesed by the FBI Bin Laden stated that he dident mean 
to bring down the whole building he only wanted half of the building but 
the fat idiotic pig did not know there would be a elevator hole so that 
is why the bulding fell.
Also those of you who have told the afghan gov to @$$ ** you did not 
know  a gov wasent even built it was owned by the Taliban.
I am Christian and my family come from Pakistan and some of us live in 
the UK or in the US my age is twelve  i Know all this stuff because my 
father Knows a lot of muslim christian things.
He has a Phd in stuff for muslim christian stuff.
OH and BIN LADEN THE WORLDS AFTER YOU AND U KNOW YOUR GONNA DIE SOME HOW 
BECAUSE US BRITS AND USa ARE GONNA FIND YOU AND EXICUTE YOU AND HOW DARE 
YOU HAVE 12 WIFES YOU SICK PERSON YOU HAVE NO CHANCE HA HA!!!!!!!!  

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Christopher Masood
Subject: Hello!
Date: Sun Jan 20 16:20:48 2002

Message:
First, its good to see a young person interested in whats going 
on in the world! And willing to speak your mind, also a good 
thing!
 Your comments about reasons for Muslim hatred toward the U.K. 
and the U.S. are shared by many posting to this board. You might 
get some feedback on what the Quran says reguarding killing. Not 
from me though.
 I think in the videotape you mentioned, bin Laden wasnt hoping 
to bring half the buildings down. He was expecting half the 
buildings but was overjoyed at what happened. Beyond his kidney 
ailment he also suffers from mental illness. Bin Laden also is 
schooled in building construction and knows about elevator 
shafts.
 You are right about the Afghan people. They were basically held 
hostage in their own country by the Taliban and al-Queda.
 Good luck young man and keep that interest!

From: Merlyn
To:
Subject: Think...................................
Date: Sun Jan 20 16:51:52 2002

Message:
Seems a few dances with Alice and a mushroom or two, or might it 
be on the yellow brick road to OZ? No it's the Midsummer nights 
dream and the fireflies & fairies. But perhaps all these were 
grove works in light of their creative touch. Even the great 
shakespere..did grove work. From dreamscape to mind expanding 
works that touch young & old..yet have levels of meaning that go 
deeper each time we read them. Perhaps the poetry of story 
telling reveals the deeper truths and mysteries hidden deep in 
the mind of the teller and the listener. 
  Are we just the result of evolution? the manifest of time and 
time again finding out we don't like killing what we eat?? As 
animals we came closer and closer to realizing it was wrong to 
kill..until we became human? Then as we did this we saw the kill 
as a repulsive thought and created religions and society 
structure to eliminate the need and domestication to separate us 
from the face of death. This all as each of us travels the 
defined spiral coming closer and closer to death each day, 
making an array of realities to put our minds to task, just to 
forget the inevitable end we all face? Yet in procreation we see 
immortality, and we strive to teach and learn so that each 
generation becomes more and more human and less animal.....until
yes...until... we see our mother earth die from heartbreak and 
loneliness?? 
  Do we now see ourselves so far from our earth sense and vital 
heart felt connection with nature that we cannot even figure out 
who is right or wrong about religion and social structure? The 
very thing that we used to keep us from our very own mortal 
reality, may indeed be what kills us off in the end???? 
  Now there we'll throw another log on the fire..and have some 
good strong bourbon, that should do it. Warm & comfy for the 
evening...and a good book. Ahh being human, as I pet my cat....
  Merlyn /|\

From: Ashraf
To: Spy..
Subject: ..
Date: Sun Jan 20 23:47:44 2002

Message:
Mirror reflection..

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Christopher Masood
Subject: Innocence of youth, the wisdom of old age.
Date: Sun Jan 20 23:43:51 2002

Message:
So enjoyed reading your post, young sir. You talk a lot of sense 
because few things in life are ever simple...or straightforward. 
Good and bad people come in all shapes and sizes, colours and 
creeds...men or women. Let's hope everybody works together..so 
it's just the good people...against the bad people.

Some great news today is that a lot of countries in the world 
are going to help Afghanistan and all it's people. Let's both 
hope they follow through on their promises this time, and... 
fingers crossed...maybe there'll be no more wars there anymore.

Remember, no matter how bad things get, things always have a way 
of sorting themselves out...in the end, so I hope you're not 
worrying too much, let us adults do the worrying...it's what 
were good at...

...and you're SO RIGHT!..that Bin Laden IS a fat idiotic 
pig!...and having 12 wives!..ohh...he's got a nerve!!

Take care Christopher!

From: ?
To: all
Subject: did it end?
Date: Tue Dec 11 10:09:18 2001

Message:
hey everyone out there,where r ya?????????
come out.
did it finish?no one wants to say anything?
   
  you know.this is our problem...at the begging of any event we 
all start acting like heroes ,theres no problem with that but 
the problem is just a while after any event happens maybe days 
or weeks    we just go back to our ordinary stupid lives.
  i mean at the beggining we act like we wanna change and thats 
positive
but after each day and day we start loosing intrest as if 
problems will not come back again.

 come back all
come back to this useful helpful program so that u could help 
people just like me to understand how others feel,how others 
think and what others believe.
violence should be the last way to solve problems,passing 
thoughts and convincing others minds with the right idease and 
the right steps to follow are the best way.
so i wish that i could see a reply to this message

       peace

From: om/cf
To: All
Date: Mon Jan 21 07:12:15 2002

Message:
January 20, 2002   

SUNDAY REPORT
Emirates Looked Other Way While Al Qaeda Funds Flowed
Finance: For years the Persian Gulf country shrugged off 
warnings from U.S. officials about money laundering.

Until Sept. 11, Osama bin Laden's terrorists in Afghanistan used 
the Persian Gulf crossroads of the United Arab Emirates as their 
lifeline to the outside world.
Published in Los Angeles Times - Indexed on Jan 21, 2002





From: om/cf
To: ?
Date: Mon Jan 21 07:15:54 2002

Message:
Im sorry, what did you say? I guess I lost interest.

From: John
To: ? please designate yourself with a name
Subject: "hey everyone out there,where r ya?????????
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:06:37 2002

Message:
You said -->  "hey everyone out there,where r ya?????????
come out.   did it finish?  no one wants to say anything?

...i mean at the beggining we act like we wanna change and thats 
positive but after each day and day we start loosing intrest as 
if problems will not come back again...

...we just go back to our ordinary stupid lives...."


******

Interest is not lost.  Our resolve is steadfast.  Americans have 
placed their trust in its leaders.  They have our full and 
continued support.  Most of us anyway.

For those who do not =  GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!

"Back to our stupid lives..."  Yes!  Because we have one.

With this trust we have placed with our leaders, we hope to 
bring "a life" to many more throughout this planet.

Have a good life!!

John
E...

PS   You don't need us to learn from.  There are many far more 
talented communicators all over the broadcast bands who express 
opinions quite succinctly.


From: Merlyn
To:
Subject: Rules
Date: Mon Jan 21 10:04:54 2002

Message:
As humans we make rules to live & die by, perhaps as a way to 
keep from repeating the same mistakes. As humans we break our 
rules.....again & again, Rules of war, kill or be killed. Hasn't 
changed.
Rules of peace, none that apply equally, never have been. 
Are humans hypocrites? Geneva convention etc........ yup! 
Well damn, Gotta put out the fire, go do some work. I'll let the 
cat out...he needs to earn his keep & get those mice.....
      Merlyn /|\

From:
To:
Date: Mon Jan 21 10:29:04 2002

Message:
Arafat is a terrorist.

From: Get a grip
To:
Date: Mon Jan 21 12:12:30 2002

Message:
Arafat is a piss ant.......and about as smart as a rock. 

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Subject: So you have the same problem as Narcissus
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:19:21 2002

Message:

From: Cuba
To: yall!
Subject: Brits in a cage,,
Date: Mon Jan 21 16:20:08 2002

Message:
Seems a new intrest, a few brits are in those cages and one 
headed for life!! No wonder they are so concerned. (serves em 
right)Just before boarding the plane, A letter to mum....hope 
you convert to Islam soon, your lovy little 
boy............BARRRRRRRRRFFFF!!! 
Where do they get these sickos! And they should see themselves 
from our point of view now! 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: Non-religiousness
Date: Mon Jan 21 13:34:24 2002

Message:
I think perhaps what I typed in my prior post to you, didn't 
come across quite as I'd planned. That first paragraph was a 
general statement on my opinions on religion, and where my point 
of view is, in relation to the subject. What I was trying to put 
across was that what each religion states. That there's one 
god,..O.K...so far so good, each religion has their own 
different customs and atire...I've no problem with that. Where I 
take issue with religion is where, proponents of one religion 
extract passages from their holy books, to set themselves apart 
from other religions as somehow being better than everybody 
else, or try and impose their belief systems on other people. 
Once that happens, that's where the problems start. People then 
argue about historical/religious facts and technicalities, and 
before you know it..you've got a war breaking out. Jews and 
Arabs have fought through the ages because of constant reference 
via their respective holy books, to past events. If you recall, 
Ashraf asked me why I didn't defend him when people riled 
against his religion, to which I replied,.."it's not my place 
to". 

I'm completely dispassionate about religion as an issue. I'm not 
going to voice an opinion saying that one religion is any better 
OR worse than any other..that's not my concern here. If people 
want to disagree over the issue...that's their perogative.

All I'm interested in, is that the end result of religious 
militancy, more often than not in the modern era...is terrorism. 
Extremist members of the catholic community from either side of 
the Irish border, bomb our country. They're therefore Christian 
terrorists, but are their aims more religious, or more 
political?...by that stage it's impossible to tell. All I know 
is..innocent people are dying.

So in saying all that, I'm not taking issue with you as to the 
fact that, in regards to Global terrorism, that it is indeed 
overwhelmingly carried out by Islamic extremists.(Terrorism 
being as you and I would define it) To me..that's not in 
dispute. It's up to those who practice Islam, to redefine their 
religion, to reform it...and if they don't, then they have to 
accept the consequences of their folly. I won't go as far as to 
say that any single religion is either intrinsically bad or 
good, I don't really care either way. The basis on which I will 
attack someone is their morality, or lack of it. People who 
plant bombs or deliberately kill innocents in whatever manner, 
have lost any moral centre, as well as their sanity. If...I was 
pressed to answer..I'd say.. yes..religious fervour plays a 
significant part, is it coming mostly from the Islamic religion 
at present?..to me it would seem that way. That's as far as I'm 
willing to go. Those same people may also have their own extreme 
political views driving them...along with the usual suspects, 
greed, envy, and not to mention a healthy dose of...insecurity 
complex, but then that's their problem. If they use any of the 
aforementioned as an excuse for commiting such acts...they 
should be made to pay dearly.

I'm resolute in, not only the fight against terrorism and 
terrorist states, but the defeat of it and them, both through 
direct military confrontation and also through trade and aid, to 
help prevent it's long term re-occurance. People shouldn't have 
to get used to terrorism in whatever form that takes, it should 
made intolerable and the sooner the better.
   
I do respect your stance on the issue om/cf, but do get back to 
me if you've any comments on the above babbling! Time for a cup 
qua qua I'd say, and what about Christopher...don't kids say the 
funniest things?!!!   

From: Walter
To:
Date: Mon Jan 21 17:29:33 2002

Message:
Sharon is a terrorist.

From: Walter
To:
Subject: ...almost forgot
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:05:36 2002

Message:
Britney Spears is a terrorist.

From: Walter
To: All
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:24:33 2002

Message:
I just took all my money out of the bank,and bought myself a 
whole truckload of DURAFLAME logs,which I'm loading into the 
garage right now.It was the investment oppertunity of a lifetime!
 I know that soon Bush will sign a bill saying that it's OK to 
burn witches at the stake again,and I'm gonna be ready!!!!
 

From: Peacemakers
To: American Patriots
Subject: When you die, you'll be sorry for what you did.
Date: Mon Jan 21 19:08:36 2002

Message:
The deep craters and pieces of shrapnel indicate that America's 
weapon of choice in Kabul was the Mark 82 500lb bomb, which is 
designed to be guided to its target by the pilot, a nearby 
observation plane or a spotter on the ground.
But there was nothing accurate about the 500lb bomb which fell 
on Bibi Mahru. 

It killed Gul Ahmad, 40, a Hazara carpet weaver, his second wife 
Sima, 35, their five daughters and his son by his first wife. 
Two children living next door were also killed.

Children killed because of war or terrorism is not a subject I 
like to contemplate. I draw away from it instinctively, perhaps 
because the unnecessary death of a child represents the horror 
of our society and I can do so little about it. I prefer to 
escape this horror by focusing on the enjoyable aspects of my 
place in modern life: my warm apartment, the food in my 
refrigerator, books, movies, music, hiking, travel, my work, and 
most importantly, the personal human relationships which give me 
love, friendship, security, and a feeling of belonging. 

However, thousands of innocent people have died in Afghanistan, 
and are still dying, and every death is, after all, the death of 
somebody's child. I know I am in some way related to their 
death, because first of all I am another human being sharing 
their world, participating in the creation of that world in my 
daily life. I'm also connected because I grew up in the country, 
the U.S.A., whose political system has organized the bombing: 
the bombs that killed were partially paid by my tax dollars, and 
the same political system also issued my passport, which gives 
me privileges most people in the world lack. And in a small way 
I participate in that political system. So I feel I have some 
small responsibility to face the fact of these dead children and 
to talk about them. 

The children who died, and are dying, in Afghanistan because of 
U.S. bombing do not merit much attention in our mass media.

They are small news, other people's children. Perhaps this is 
even more of a reason for me to talk about them. They seem to me 
to be an important part of the story.
Perhaps the reason that the mass media keep the story small news 
is to maintain wide support for this war, and the next one. That 
is certainly a possibility. 

But for the mass media the deaths of poor people are usually 
small news, throughout the year. How many newspapers put this on 
the front page? 

On Sept. 11, more than 35,000 of the world's children died of 
starvation. A similar number have perished from hunger every day 
since then in developing countries, according to figures from 
the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization. 

Another reason for the lack of coverage is that we don't want to 
know about U.S. bombs killing other people's children. It 
threatens our sense of who we are. We prefer to cast ourselves 
as the good guys, and good guys don't kill children. This can be 
seen as proof of our humanity. After all, if we were completely 
depraved the news of the deaths of children would not disturb 
us. 

On the other hand, when we so willingly and easily allow 
ourselves to be ignorant of the results of U.S. bombing we are 
also, perhaps, indicating our level of morality. I'm not sure 
about this. Measuring the level of morality is hard enough, if 
not impossible, for myself, so how can I hope to measure the 
level of my culture's morality? Is morality something that can 
be measured? If it cannot be, then how does George Bush know we 
are 'good' and they (Osama bin Laden, the Taleban, etc.,) 
are 'evil'? 

Perhaps my focus on the deaths of children is a result of 
morbidity. If so, then at least I share some respectful company. 
For example one of my favorite writers, Kentucky farmer Wendell 
Berry, also is contemplating the deaths of other people's 
children these days: 

Here is the other question that I have been leading toward, one 
that the predicament of modern warfare forces upon us: How many 
deaths of other people's children by bombing or starvation are 
we willing to accept in order that we may be free, affluent, and 
(supposedly) at peace? To that question I answer: None. Please, 
no children. Don't kill any children for my benefit.

I wonder how many children actually died? And what were their 
names? And what has happened to their families? This brings up 
another equally horrible fact to contemplate, what is happening 
right now to the children who have (so far) survived? Some are 
freezing to death, others are starving:

Farough, an 11-year-old boy whose family of six arrived here 
from Chaghcharan a month ago, says he spends his days begging 
for a piece of bread or a sip of clean water or standing in line 
for hours in the cold in hope of getting a bag of rice.

"My mother is deaf and dumb and my father is very old," he 
explained. A 2-year-old sister died from the cold a few days 
ago. "We came because we had nothing to eat at home, but here 
sometimes I eat and other times nothing. The ground is my 
mattress and the sky is my roof. We are very miserable."

How many are orphans? How many have wounds that will disfigure 
and affect them for the rest of their lives? And, yet another 
addition to the horror, how many will die or be disfigured in 
the years to come from all the unexploded cluster bombs (the 
bomblets are yellow, and look very similar to the food packets 
that were dropped) which the U.S. left behind? The harmful 
effects of the U.S. bombing will last for years, and we will 
never know the true human cost to the people of Afghanistan. 

In Laos, Cambodia, and Viet Nam people are still dying from the 
land mines planted by the U.S. military 30 years ago. (Why did 
we plant these mines in the first place? Anybody know?) The U.S. 
is one of the few countries in the world to refuse to sign an 
international treaty to ban land mines.

We do know that as a result of the bombing a country that was 
dependent upon international aid for survival before September 
11, has become an even more desperate place:

The U.S. bombing campaign, while helping to defeat the 
oppressive Taliban regime, has exacerbated the humanitarian 
crisis in two ways.

First, hundreds of thousands of people, terrified by the bombs, 
have fled their villages and swelled the ranks of the refugee 
population. Second, before the Oct. 7 air attack, millions of 
Afghans were receiving international assistance despite the 
difficulties of working with the Taliban. But after the bombing 
began, humanitarian agencies pulled their staff from the country 
and closed, or severely curtailed, their operations.

The U.S. is currently preventing aid from reaching people by 
refusing to support an international peacekeeping force to 
insure the aid gets to the people in need, though it's possible 
this will change soon:

All of the aid groups I talked to in Afghanistan say that unless 
an international force is sent in to secure the roads, 
Afghanistan will be the scene of a humanitarian crisis of 
horrific proportions.

The good news is that England, France, Turkey, Jordan, 
Bangladesh and Indonesia have all offered troops to carry out 
this mission. The bad news is that the Pentagon and the Northern 
Alliance are resisting the introduction of such a force.

When the American terrorist and Gulf War hero Timothy McVeigh 
blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City he also blew up a 
day care center. The death of those children was big news in the 
U.S. They were not other people's children, they were our 
children. McVeigh called it 'collateral damage', a phrase he 
learned from the U.S. officials who used it to describe the 
200,000 civilians killed by the U.S. bombing of Iraq. 

Since our bombing of Iraq in 1991 over a million Iraqis have 
died because of U.S. imposed trade sanctions. The man who used 
to be in charge of this 'program', Hans Von Sponeck, says this:

"The fact that today, on average, according to UNICEF, 5,000 
children are dying every month because of sanctions, is a 
violation of human rights. The Convention of the Rights of the 
Child is violated. The Covenant on Political and Civic Rights is 
violated. The Hague Convention is violated."

Another UN official who resigned said this:

"We are in the process of destroying an entire society. It is as 
simple and terrifying as that. It is illegal and immoral." Denis 
Halliday, after resigning as first UN Assistant Secretary 
General and Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq, The Independent, 
15 October 1998

In addition many are dying in Iraq from cancer caused by the 
depleted uranium in the bombs that were dropped. The U.S. also 
dropped depleted uranium bombs on Kosovo and Serbia. Here is a 
recent headline about that subject: 

US Wins Defeat of Depleted Uranium Study

McVeigh said he blew up the building because the Federal 
Government killed a lot of adults and their children in Waco, 
Texas. He was avenging those deaths, he said, and also he hoped 
to prevent more deaths in the future, by using terrorism against 
the Government. From his point of view it seemed like a logical 
thing to do. To me it seems insane. Perhaps it was insane. But 
the surviving members of families who lost children in 
Afghanistan due to U.S. bombing might feel like doing the same 
thing. It's not unlikely: 

Rukia, 39, who like many Afghans uses only one name, lost her 
family five days ago when she says a United States bomb hit her 
Kandahar neighborhood. Wounded in the stomach and with her left 
arm shattered, she had to flee before she could bury her 
children.

She was nearly bombed again, while a relative was driving her to 
a hospital in Pakistan

"They're bombing anything that moves," she said. "It's not true 
that they bomb civilians by accident. They're targeting the 
innocent people instead of Osama bin Laden."..

..Rukia covered her face and started to cry when asked what she 
wanted to tell the Americans about the loss of her five 
children. She thought a while before responding: "Destroy, 
finish, terminate America." 

Why disturb ourselves with reading articles about civilian 
deaths? Isn't it better to console ourselves with the idea that 
even though children died, it was worth it because the bombing 
prevented more children from dying in the future?
I think many people feel this way. 

That is one reason they support what they call war and what I 
call state terrorism. And maybe they are right. The problem is 
this: however pleasant the idea that 'bombing is good', there is 
no evidence that supports it, in reality. How does bombing 
defenseless civilians prevent terrorism or promote peace? The 
past two months of bombing have not made our world a safer, more 
peaceful place to live in. It has helped certain politicians, 
certain arms manufacturers, and promoted the philosophy 
of 'might makes right'. 

But I don't really believe that people support the bombing 
because they think it will prevent children's deaths in the 
future. I think, instead, that people support it because they 
are able to ignore the deaths of other people's children, and 
they are afraid.

Perhaps I'm wrong. But there is definitely a strong correlation 
between refusing to acknowledge the suffering our bombing is 
causing other people, and support for the bombing. Most people 
who support the bombing of Afghanistan have no idea how many 
civilians were killed by the bombing of Iraq, or the bombing of 
Viet Nam. A Viet Nam war memorial showing the names of every 
civilian killed by the U.S. in that war would be at least 40 
times longer than the one in Washington. But we don't want to 
know that, it's old small news. That makes it easier for us to 
support bombing Afghanistan. 

There is also an element of moral cowardice. This is a dangerous 
subject to broach because maybe it represents my own version of 
self-righteousness. It probably does. However it seems true to 
me, so I'll say it. I think many people support the bombing 
because they are afraid to speak out against it. I think it 
takes moral courage to oppose the government during a war, and 
to speak out to your friends, family, co-workers, and daily 
acquaintances. Instead it is so much easier to identify with the 
government leaders, to allow ourselves to be guided in our 
opinions by the mass media, and to pretend that we are being 
brave by supporting the bombing.

Our culture tells us all our lives that the heroes are the men 
who kill for the good cause. But it takes no heroism to support 
war, absolutely none. But men in particular like to think of 
themselves as possible heroes, that if necessary they will also 
have 'the stomach' to kill. It pleases their self-image to 
support the war, and to see themselves as 'protecting' someone 
by killing others. They can easily dismiss those who disagree 
as 'peaceniks' who just do not understand. A real man, in their 
view, must not get emotional and worry about the deaths of other 
people's children. He must be mature and be willing to follow 
the leader and kill, and support killing with pious logic 
about 'just war'. This is one way many men conform and support 
mass murder and pretend to themselves they are being brave by 
doing so. 

I think most women who support the bombing do so because they 
are able to ignore the deaths it causes, and because they 
think 'since politics are controlled by men, it's their 
responsibility'. Women seem to be less inclined to heroic 
fantasies about the necessity of war, perhaps because women and 
children are always the one who suffer the most in modern war. 

However I think a lot of people, men and women, agree with me, 
but like me have little clue as to what to do about it. Many 
people say we should, as citizens, act to restrain the military 
capacity of our government. 

Our government wants to militarize space in order to have 
complete military hegemony over every other government in the 
world. That is the plan according to the government document 
Vision 2020 published during the Clinton Administration. On the 
front cover it says: 'Dominating the Space Dimension of Military 
Operations to Protect U.S. Interests and Investment.' This is 
the meaning of the Missile Shield plan. This is why President 
Bush is going to tear up the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. 

Most governments do not want to militarize space. They have 
voted against it in numerous United Nations resolutions. But the 
U.S. wants to do it, and probably will. 

This brings me back to my question about measuring the moral 
level of our culture. If we begin with a moral rule as old as 
humanity, common to all cultures and religions, 'Do unto others 
as you would have them do unto you', we can ask ourselves to 
what degree we are following that moral rule. 

But how can we follow this rule (supposing that we even want to) 
if we refuse to learn just what we are 'doing' unto others? We 
can first of all ignore the fact that our bombs are killing 
other people's children. We can also rationalize it by repeating 
what our leaders say, who describe the deaths as 'unintended 
consequences' of our bombing. We can also refuse to name it what 
it is: state terrorism, mass murder. If we ignore that we 
are 'doing death' unto others, we will surely do nothing to 
prevent further deaths in the future.

Just how many deaths of other people's children are we willing 
to ignore, or to rationalize with words like 'unintended 
consequences'? One million? Two million? If the government tells 
us it is necessary, and the mass media makes the deaths small 
news, could we perhaps ignore the deaths of ten million 
children? Why not? It's certainly possible, given our recent 
history. 

Since WW II the United States has been regularly dropping bombs 
on civilians, killing lots of people and their children, in 
Japan, Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Panama, Iraq, Yugoslavia, and 
Afghanistan, and many other places. The U.S. directed and 
supported Contras killed thousands of other people's children in 
Nicaraugua: 

In 1989 the US invaded Panama to overthrow the former CIA agent, 
General Manuel Noriega - a man who had now become an enemy; 
5,000 civilians were killed by American forces and buried in 
mass graves. And in 1982 the US began funding the Contra war 
against the Sandinista governm0ent. Corinto harbor was mined in 
1984 and the court of world opinion recognized that the policy 
of the United States was that of a war criminal.

Nicaragua, now the second poorest nation in the western 
hemisphere, has never recovered from that war. There were 40,000 
Nicaraguan dead, the innocent who were categorized as "soft 
targets".

That's part of the Nicaragua story. The Afghanistan story goes 
something like this: in 1979 Jimmy Carter's Secretary of State 
Zbignew Brezinski authorized the training of foreign terrorists 
to fight in Afghanistan, to draw the Soviet Union into a 'trap'. 
This was before the Soviet Union invaded the country. After the 
invasion the CIA continued the massive financial aid and 
training for these Islamic extremists, most of whom came from 
Middle East. Among those who answered the CIA's call was Osama 
Bin Laden. This CIA operation was the biggest in its long 
history of covert operations. The Soviet Union was successfully 
driven out of Afghanistan but the country was devastated and the 
U.S., goal accomplished, did nothing to help rebuild the 
country. Out of this devastation arose the warlords of the 
current Northern Alliance and also the Taleban. The Taleban was 
supported by U.S. allies Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. 
itself. The U.S. oil company Unocal negotiated with the Taleban, 
asking them to assist in the building of pipelines through the 
country. 

However Osama Bin Laden returned, after being driven from Sudan, 
and his new battle was directed against the U.S., apparently 
because of the U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia, his 
homeland. 

So what is the justification for killing over 3,600 civilians, 
and putting hundreds of thousands at risk of starvation? This 
was the news on December 9:

More than seven million people out of an estimated population of 
22 million are classified by aid organisations as being at "very 
high risk".

And from another source, on the same day:

Every night as the temperature dips well below zero, as many as 
40 people die from cold and starvation. In the six cemeteries 
scattered through the camp, many of the piles of stones marking 
graves are so tiny that it is clear most victims are children 
and babies.


15 out of 19 of the September 11 terrorists were from Saudi 
Arabia. Not a single one was from Afghanistan. Not a single one 
was a Taleban. The Sept. 11 terrorists have not even been proven 
to have visited Afghanistan. The Taleban had agreed to negotiate 
an extradition of Bin Laden, but the U.S. government refused. 
Perhaps the Taleban were lying, but we will never know. 
Certainly they were a terrible government, but our government 
helped create them and helped create the foreign terrorists who 
were living in Afghanistan, and then it kills innocent civilians 
trying to destroy what they created, justifying this with 
the 'war on terrorism'. And now there is no real government in 
Afghanistan, just a loose assortment of warlords. And the 
Taleban are still there, they've just switched sides.

All this death, sadness and suffering. President Bush says again 
and again we are 'good'. He is confident that he knows our level 
of morality. I'm not so sure. 

We are killing other people's children and ignoring their deaths.

In fact we get upset if people bring up the subject. We condemn 
people who call it 'U.S. terrorism'. For some reason when we 
kill other people's children it's not terrorism. It's 
the 'unintended consequences of a just cause'. When 'they' do 
it, it's 'evil'. If we are willing to do this what is our level 
of morality? As I said at the beginning, this is a difficult 
question to answer, and I think it can be only answered as 
individuals, talking to ourselves. 

The U.S. government is currently taking the steps that greatly 
increase the possibility of nuclear war in the future. The U.S. 
government wants to be able to wage war on any country on the 
planet without the risk of counterattack, just like we now can 
bomb Afghanistan for months with little risk to our aircraft and 
almost no risk to our own people and territory. 

It's very possible that the U.S. Government will soon be able to 
kill every child on the planet who is not a U.S. citizen, 
without any reprisal. Many people in the U.S. advocated using 
nuclear weapons in Afghanistan. What is our level of morality? 
Are we truly 'good'? How will we use our military power? If we 
were willing to ignore the deaths of civilians in the past, and 
if we are willing to ignore the deaths of civilians now, what do 
you think our behavior will be in the future?

Will civilian deaths in the future also be small news: other 
people's children?

Lawrence McGuire lives in France. He can be reached at 
blmcguire@hotmail.com

Source of quotes in text:
1 Published on Saturday, December 1, 2001 in the Guardian of 
London
US Planes Rain Death on the Innocent
'Precision' Raids Kill Residents in Capital City By Rory 
McCarthy in Kabul 

2 December 10, 2001"A Dossier on Civilian Victims of United 
States' Aerial Bombing of Afghanistan: A Comprehensive 
Accounting" 
by Professor Marc W. Herold Ph.D., M.B.A., B.Sc.
Study available here: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mwherold/.
3 Published on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 in the Christian 
Science Monitor
Injustice Seen as Fertile Soil for Terrorists
by Peter Ford

4 Published in the Winter 2001/2002 issue of YES! Magazine 
The Failure of War by Wendell Berry

5 NEWARK STAR-LEDGER 11/30/01
For many, home is a blanket and the food is weeds 
BY FARNAZ FASSIHI 

6,7 Published on Sunday, December 16, 2001 in the Milwaukee 
Journal Sentinel
Feeding the Hungry May Be the Prime Task of Peacekeepers by 
Medea Benjamin
8 December 6, 2001 OPPOSING SANCTIONS ON IRAQ
AN INTERVIEW WITH HANS VON SPONECK By Larry Everest
Published at http://www.zmag.org
9 Published on Friday, November 30, 2001 by Reuters 
Going Backwards US Wins Defeat of Depleted Uranium Study
by Irwin Arieff

10 Published on Saturday, December 8, 2001 in the Sydney Morning 
Herald 
Terminate America: Message From an Afghani Mother in Mourning 
by Tasgola Karla Bruner in Quetta, Pakistan 

11 Published on Saturday, December 8, 2001 in Guardian of London
Selective Justice: The US Has Been Sponsoring Terror in My 
Native Latin America for Decades
by Bianca Jagger

12 The Independent on Sunday (London) December 9, 2001 
Humanitarian crisis: 'anarchy' leaves 1m without food
Conditions are worst in areas firmly under Northern Alliance 
control
By Imre Karacs

13 The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) 
December 9, 2001 
They call this 'the slaughterhouse' 
Christina Lamb

More Quotes: 

The river of victims runs through another war
By Robert Fisk in Chaman
The Independent (London)
04 December 2001
"From all over the countryside, there come stories of villages 
crushed by American bombs; an entire hamlet destroyed by B-52s 
at Kili Sarnad, 50 dead near Tora Bora, eight civilians killed 
in cars bombed by US jets on the road to Kandahar, another 46 in 
Lashkargah, 12 more in Bibi Mahru."

Published on Monday, December 3, 2001 in the Independent/UK 
US Bombs Hit Wrong Target for Second Time in Two Days 
by Richard Lloyd Parry in Jalalaba 
"The American hunt for Osama bin Laden appeared to have gone 
tragically wrong for the second time in two days yesterday, when 
US bombers were reported to have killed scores of civilians in 
eastern Afghanistan as well as friendly mujahedin fighters 
supporting their battle against al-Qa'ida. A senior mujahedin 
commander said US strikes killed more than 100 civilians around 
Agam, 25 miles south of Jalalabad, on top of at least 70 killed 
in air raids on Saturday night."

Published on Sunday, December 2, 2001 by Agence France Presse
15 Killed as US Mistakes Private Jeep for Military Vehicle: 
Victim
"Fifteen villagers, including nine children, were killed in a 
bombing raid on a hamlet in which US forces appeared to have 
mistaken an ageing jeep for a military vehicle, the owner said. 
Mohammed Khan, who arrived here from Kandahar for hospital 
treatment to his wounded arms and legs, said that five of his 
children were killed when the hamlet was attacked on Tuesday.
All five houses which made up the hamlet between Kandahar 
airport and the city were demolished in the raid. A neighbor 
lost four children in the attack, Khan said."

The Loyal Opposition
DENYING THE DEAD
In Pentagon Reports of Afghan Dead, Truth is the First Casualty 
David Corn is the Washington editor of The Nation.

"But as he [Donald Rumsfeld] was talking, Washington Post 
reporter Susan Glasser was filing a piece based on a visit to 
Jalalabad's Public Hospital No. 1. In the previous four days, 
the hospital had taken in 36 patients who said they were victims 
of the U.S. bombing strikes targeting villages southwest of 
Jalalabad, in an area where Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda 
remnants are thought to be hiding in cave compounds. The 
hospital had also received 35 dead. One of the injured was Noor 
Mohammed, who had lost both eyes and both arms. Noor, who is 
somewhere between 10 and 12 years old, told his uncle he heard 
the sound of an airplane overhead, ran from his room, and did 
not know what happened next. Asked how he felt, the boy 
whispered, "I feel cold and I cannot talk." Glasser found other 
wounded children from families who claimed they had been struck 
by bombs while in their mud houses."

The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) 
December 9, 2001 
They call this 'the slaughterhouse' 
Christina Lamb

"A DIRTY grey blanket on the hard desert ground is all that is 
home for Bibi Gul and her family in the new Afghanistan. 

"The sky is my roof and the earth is my floor," she said, 
gesturing across the dust-swept plains toward the minarets of 
the ancient city of Herat. But the words from her chapped 
swollen lips are of bitterness rather than romance. 

It is more than a week since she and her five children had their 
last meal - a begged bowl of rice - and on Friday she woke to 
find her two-year-old son Tahir stiff and cold, frozen to death 
in the rain. 

While the West celebrates the surrender of Kandahar and the 
collapse of the Taliban, here in Maslakh camp in western 
Afghanistan there is no celebratory slaughtering of goats or 
distribution of sweets, but only weeping and funerals.

It is a place that has been largely ignored by Western 
governments and aid agencies; harrowing images of the starving 
and dying have not been seen in the world's newspapers or on 
television because journalists and camera crews have been 
elsewhere in Afghanistan, concentrating on the war. But because 
it hasn't been seen in its vivid awfulness doesn't lessen the 
terrible suffering that goes on here. 

Every night as the temperature dips well below zero, as many as 
40 people die from cold and starvation. In the six cemeteries 
scattered through the camp, many of the piles of stones marking 
graves are so tiny that it is clear most victims are children 
and babies.


From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Mon Jan 21 19:05:55 2002

Message:
You make some points to the good as always. On a localized 
level there are other religions involved in what could be termed 
terrorism, but even the word is somewhat up in the air. One 
persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
 I try to stay out of the religious aspect of terrorism, because 
I dont know jack about it! But I do see it as a player in the 
game.
 Its interesting to me, a few days back, seeing news stories 
warning of non-Arab terrorists being the next to strike here in 
the States. It makes perfect sense from the terrorist point of 
view. Obviously, the U.S. is profiling the middle eastern look. 
Okay, okay all you sissy boy, "oh my rights", perfectionists 
reading this, calm down. Profiling exists of course and it is 
effective. Now, to add a more Asian and African look to the 
existing profile.
 Reguarding Christopher: If I had the energy I had at 12 
combined with what I know now, I'd really be dangerous! 
 

From: Walter
To: Peacemakers
Date: Mon Jan 21 19:33:34 2002

Message:
When the American terrorist and Gulf War hero Timothy McVeigh 
                blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City he 
also blew up a 
                day care center. The death of those children was 
big news in the 
                   U.S. They were not other people's children, 
they were our 
                  children. McVeigh called it 'collateral 
damage', a phrase he 
                  learned from the U.S. officials who used it to 
describe the 
                     200,000 civilians killed by the U.S. bombing 
of Iraq._________________________________________________________

 Those daycare centers were opened in federal buildings during 
the Vietnam War era.One of the reasons for this was the fear that 
in protest of the war,federal buildings would be bombed.With a 
daycare center housed in these buildings,children would be 
killed,and there would be a public outcry,thereby making the 
bombers,"child killers".But if you think about the reality of 
it... What kind of an uncaring,fucked-up government,would place a 
daycare center in a building that would be the FIRST place that 
would be attacked in a time of government/civilian conflict?Those 
children meant no more to their government than a cheap insurance 
policy. 

From: Walter
To: Peacemakers
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:57:02 2002

Message:
But,in the end,it IS a time of war,since we have been 
ATTACKED,for whatever reason any of us choose to believe.And like 
the kids on South Park said,"America is our team,and if you're 
not gonna root for your team,maybe you should get the hell out of 
the stadium".

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Thank You Sir For Your Kindness Towards Us.
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:52:55 2002

Message:
We know we are not the best  reps. of anything and are not 
always on a positive note-------"The Price of War"---hey.

I want you to know though,-- THAT-- I really enjoy your post !! 
You are very good and inspirational;--- whether you reallize it 
or not ---------I think you already know that.

Thank You So Much For Your Efforts and 
Putting Up With Me and My Friends.

From a Friend---as best as I can be here in 
Cyberspace---------------------
Spy

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Subject: Oklahoma City
Date: Mon Jan 21 21:19:59 2002

Message:
The Alfred P. Murrah Building opening was in 1977, after the 
Vietnam War and a relativly peacfull time in America. Also at a 
time when single working parent households were becoming more 
and more comman. A day care center in a downtown area, in the 
building that had the space would make sense.
 What doesnt make sense is a worthless punk like Timmy McVeigh 
scouting the building (as well as a Federal building in Nebraska 
I believe), knowing full well where the day care center is 
located and not giving a shit about killing. Now when I think 
back to McVeigh, maybe we are treating those Taliban and al-
Qeuda prisoners too harshly. McVeigh and Nichols deserve much 
worse than lethal injection. 

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Mon Jan 21 22:12:11 2002

Message:
I'm talking about when the idea to do such a thing was first 
implemented.Have the daycare centers been removed from these 
federal buildings,from at the very least the realization that 
this could happen again?Nope.The hard-headed U.S. government will 
put its children in danger anytime it wants to,and no one will 
stop it.I don't argue the point about McVeigh being put to 
death,but I just wonder why Janet Reno wasn't sitting next to him 
getting her injection for killing the children at Waco.Unless its 
OK to kill the kids whenever we don't like their parents?

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Mon Jan 21 22:20:03 2002

Message:
I have to wonder about the intelligence of out government when I 
see that nowdays inner city children are made to play in the 
backyard so that a stray bullet from a drive-by doesn't kill 
them.A single mother,who probably didn't finish 10th grade has 
the intelligence to do this,but it's way too complicated for our 
government to understand.

From: Me
To: U ( * eVeRyOnE*)
Subject: waHt uP?
Date: Wed Dec 5 15:57:20 2001

Message:
yOoO... u ppl using very nice enriched voabulary heih? datz 
bad ... waht u guyz talkin' abt n e wayz, huh? k, g2g ... thank 
you fo yo tyme, ill cum again *wink-wink*  aight--->Salam (peAce)

From: Walter
To: U
Date: Mon Jan 21 22:36:26 2002

Message:
Suck my ass.Peace out.

From: Get a grip
To: UK Citizen
Subject: Religion....the lack of it.
Date: Mon Jan 21 22:38:13 2002

Message:
This site is worth a laugh, or a ...Live long and prosper Dr. 
Spock. 

http://secretcodes.org/neo-tech.html

From: Walter
To:
Date: Mon Jan 21 22:48:52 2002

Message:
http://secretcodes.org/neo-tech.html

I laughed a lot.....reminded me of Christianity!

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Mon Jan 21 22:34:49 2002

Message:
I cant argue on behalf of any branch of the U.S. goverment. 
What seems to be simple comman sense, they can turn into a 
$500,000 study that comes to a completly different conclusion. 
And legislation is passed on the basis of that study, and most 
Americans read it and say "this does not make any sense".
 If you remember, Clinton and his wife, were hard on doing 
something about health care. What the hell happened there? I'm 
paying $54 a week for less coverage, and I'm getting by cheap 
through work. What the fuck is wrong with that picture!
 Dont get me wrong, I am no supporter of goverment in general. 
My support lies with the people pf the U.S. and the original 
principles our "terrorist" colonies started the country with. I 
do not understand passing more laws when we cant enforce 
existing laws which leads me to believe goverment in general can 
and should be cut way back in the U.S.
 

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Mon Jan 21 23:31:52 2002

Message:
I'm in total agreement with you there.I'm self employed,and I 
had to buy my own health insurance,and it got so expensive(over 
350.00 a month)and I had to let it go,so now I have none.If I 
have a heart attack,or a long-term illness,it's all over.Not 
exactly good times.
 Our country wastes a lot of money,and it gets worse and 
worse,but it seems that once anything gets too big,(a 
government,a company,anything...)ineptitude starts creeping 
in,and they start funding stuff like a million dollar study on 
why drunk people fall down.Sometimes ya gotta laugh.....

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