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From: John
To: For all to peruse & for Joe(Florida) A.K.A. EagleEye
Subject: EagleEye /Joe(Florida) EXPOSED
Date: Thu Oct 25 00:08:16 2001

Message:
The following are postings of Joe(Florida) A.K.A. EagleEye - He 
was exposed so well for what he is, I thought maybe I'd repost 
it.   Ha Ha Ha

Here are his words with my response below each of his hate 
filled lines.   John, E pluribus unum

*********

 Dont fuck with me, Im an newly indoctrinated, Muslim despising, 
infuriated American. 

Response:   It's obvious you are newly indoctrinated to this new 
found hatred.  In my, and certainly most readers judgment, you 
have simply shifted your vast hate, but temporarily, from 
another group of people, whether they be blacks, Asians, 
Mexicans, Jews, or others, to those of the Muslim faith.  I say 
temporarily, for it is certain you will re-shift your focus 
towards your hated group du-jour



 Dont fuck with me, Im not Joe(Florida). 

Response:  you are one in the same, Oh - and what a lonely 
hateful person Joe is.



 Dont fuck with me, I do read books .. plenty. 

Response:  You may very well have a read (a) book. It s 
possible.  Unfortunately, you obviously chose the book.



 Dont fuck with me, go read a book - start with the Koran.  But 
dont try it on a full stomach - that is of course unless you 
like to PUKE - like a do when I see a MUSLIM disguising their 
hate and jealousy as "peaceful". 

Response:  It s obvious you have not read the Koran.  I need not 
reiterate and regurgitate the common arguments equating the 
Quran to the Bible and the evil embraced by both within their 
covers.  Your excuse to justify your hate is your contention - 
they hate you, or us.  That s just representative of your 
sickness    hate just for the sake of hate .



 Dont fuck with me, just because I dont like Noam Chomsky. 

Response:   As if you ve read any of his books, yeah right!  You 
gotta be kidding.



 Dont fuck with me, because its the 1.x Billion fucked Muslims 
that fornicate it for the remaining 10 good ones. 

Response:   The man who comes to mind upon reading such a 
statement is Adolph Hitler.  He too hated an entire race and 
sought their destruction.  Like you he hated just for the sake 
of hate.



 Dont fuck with me, cuz you re a naive liberal idiot who thinks 
they want peace with your candy western infadel ass. 


Response:   Considering, I personally am a card-carrying right 
wing, gun toting Republican who possesses a growing number of 
Libertarian viewpoints, your statement is simply ludicrous and 
representative of all your mis-targeted hate-filled strikes.  
And as far as your statement that Liberals believe the 
terrorists want peace, I can say only one thing - to use your 
verbiage    YOU ARE AN IDIOT!   Liberals and Conservatives alike 
seek the total ruination of al Quaeda, the Taliban, Usama bin 
Laden, and all supporters of, including, when the copartner 
evidence is released timely - as we are positioned, - Saddam 
Hussein.



 Dont fuck with me, cuz Muslims are taught in the womb to 
despise 
all NON-Muslims especially Jews, and Americans. 

Response:   It is true many children taught within the Saudi 
sponsored, (and paid-for) schools within Pakistan, learn the 
lesson of hate towards Non-Muslims.  Our post war pressures will 
cease this activity.  I wonder though -  where did you learn to 
hate as you do? 



 I cant wait for the annual "Pilgrimage to Mecca" - oh what a 
glorious opportunity for dealing out a little Koran style 
justice - eye for an eye.  Weather forecast for Mecca - 5,000 
degrees farhenheit, and CLOUDY - as in mushroom.  I love the 
smell of martyrs in the morning ..... 


Response:   I am certain, if given the opportunity, you would 
perpetrate the murder of millions under the banner of hate.  



 Taliban Muslim quiz of the day:

[choose the most correct answer]

How do the Muslims have the audacity to call a swine 
an "unclean/filthy" animal?

Is it:

A. Cause they are jealous thats pigs actually have better hygene 
than Muslims [especcially women]?

B. Because Muslim males are jealous that their women prefer 
feeling the superior circumference of the pig penis in their 
mouth over that of the Afghani/typical Muslim male of the 
species?[we havent determined if any muslims are human yet] 



Response:   Your attempt at humor is but again a symbol of your 
hate towards your fellow man.

Yesterday, I stopped to pick up my usual two carton dose of 
cigarettes from my local Pakistani vendor.  His 13  TV was tuned 
to the 24 hour broadcast war.  We discussed the happenings 
within his homeland and surrounding areas.  We came to no 
consensus as to the outcome for his small country.  It is 
conceivable Mushareff s government could topple to extremist.  
And that worried him and I because could it could eventually 
lead to the fulfillment of your sick wish, the entire 
annihilation of many innocents at the hand of nuclear weaponry.

He, my Pakistani immigrant friend, was deeply saddened by the 
events leading up to today.  He was especially worried that 
maybe there are those who seek to destroy an entire race as you 
do.  I assured him   that it is only a very small minority that 
seeks such action.  I exampled for him - as it was but a small 
minority of radicals within his faith that perpetrated the 
murdering of thousands of innocents here.   The majority of 
Americans and the American government recognize that fact.  He 
understands we are targeting the destruction of that minority, 
the al Quaeda and Taliban only.  He knew that of course.  I 
think he simply wanted to hear it again from somebody he knows 
and trusts.  Trust I assume is hard to come by for my Pakistani 
friend these days.  It s no wonder, with such hate-filled people 
as you roaming the planet.


John
E pluribus unum


From: blah
To: blah
Subject: blah
Date: Thu Oct 25 00:35:24 2001

Message:
YOU BLACK ARABS YOU CAN ALL DIE IN HELL AND 
SMELL LIKE SHIT. SUCK MY BALLS YOU ARABS AND THE 
JEWS ARE INBRED BLACK FUCKS!

From: American
To: Spy
Subject: Re: Answers
Date: Thu Oct 25 00:52:40 2001

Message:
Nice return Spy!  I say exactly the same thing. If anyone wants 
to support the Taliban, don't stay here and suffer with us.  Go 
help them.  Be my guest.  I won't stop anyone who wants to go. 
In fact, I'll help them pack!  

From: John
To: EagleEye - A.K.A. Joe(Florida)
Subject: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HhA HA HA
Date: Thu Oct 25 01:27:32 2001

Message:

From: Fan of Eagle Eye
To: Pain in the ass John
Subject: You are B.O.R.I.N.G.
Date: Thu Oct 25 12:14:05 2001

Message:
Look John,  I am NOT impressed with you.  I happen to LOVE 
Eagle's Eyes postings.  He tells it like it is.  I seriously 
DOUBLT anyone that is posting will actually go and take out an 
arab.  Although, I feel it should be done of course.  But you 
need to understand that this is the place to vent and I for one, 
am tired of your shenanigans and monkeyshines about threatening 
to see Eagle Eye locked up.  Are you a united states citizen, 
John?  If you are, than you know that the people venting on this 
board are using their FREEDOM and bill or rights as Americans to 
say whaterver the heck they feel.  I also find it HILARIOUS that 
the citizens are being bombed.  In fact, BRAVO!  We have to 
remember that it is OUR OWN INNOCENT CITIZENS that have been 
murdered and an eye for an eye.  I will not be happen until the 
death toll is seven MILLION for those rag heads.  Those people 
really are filthy too.  I used to work with a very filthy woman 
muslim and you would always reek of menstrual blood and cum.  
Joh, quit being such a pain in the ass.  The only idiot that 
annoyys me more than the anti usa assholes are YOU.  Get a grip 
dude. 

From: Chico
To: John you SUCK
Subject: Stop posting asshole
Date: Thu Oct 25 12:23:56 2001

Message:
John, you are so anal rententive why dont you just leave Eagle 
Eye alone. Who made you moderator?  ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Chico
To: Guinea on the board
Subject: The guinea gotta go too
Date: Thu Oct 25 12:29:42 2001

Message:
The guinea posts dumb shit.  From an ITALIAN.  Mafiosio?  
Soprano wannabee kiss dominican repulic ass.  VIVA USA!!!  John 
maricon puta   guinea:  fongoola to yoolla!

From: Spy
To: American
Date: Thu Oct 25 12:46:17 2001

Message:
Yeah----maybe they can give us their address as so we 
could come over and help them "pack"

From: John
To: Chico, Fan of Eagle Eye, et al others of similiar viewpoint
Subject: Should we target and destroy those responsible?
Date: Thu Oct 25 12:51:38 2001

Message:
Venting is no excuse.  And that's not venting.  It's called hate.

To suggest or condone the entire destruction of innocent 
millions of people solely for your the need to vent is sickening.

How can anyone even think justice is serviced by killing 
millions. The leaders of this government - the Taliban and al 
Quaeda are the current target and their destruction is currently 
underway.  As they should be.  No question.

Here's an analogy:  Timothy McVeigh (murderous evil animal) was 
deservedly executed.  Should we additionally seek out his mother 
and execute her?  Should we seek out anyone he knew and execute 
them?  Should we determine his ethnic backround and then execute 
all people of similiar ethnic backround?  Should we go to his 
church and execute all the congregation?

I simply state - Don't legitimize these posters outright evil 
statements wishing the execution of millions of people solely 
because they were unfortunate enough to be born in Afghanistan.  
Are these not women & children, little boys and girls who know 
nothing of politics.  Do they understand the crime committed 
against us?  Are they responsible?

Should we target and destroy those responsible, being certain to 
limit the killing of innocent women and children?


John
E pluribus unum

From: USA CHAMPS
To: Eagle Eye/Joe Fla
Subject: I LOVE YOU GUYS
Date: Thu Oct 25 12:37:25 2001

Message:
What is up with this fucker John?  DUH. Pleribus my cock, you 
dumb fuck.  You sure make boring posts, I like posts that have a 
bit of meat in them.  Just for your assholism, you are BANNED 
from every attendign any of our baby bin bastard barbecues.  
Whoever came up with that clever saying is a GENUIS!  WIsh I 
would have thought that up myself.  John how to stroke your 
women or (men)?  I like nice comfortable screws myself and I am 
COMMANDING you to stop acting like you own the board.  This is 
NOT your site, but for everyone to say whatever the fuck that 
they feel.  I cum on here especially to read about what Eagle 
Eye and Joe in Florida say. We had a fucker that owned a Dunkin 
Donuts here that was taken into custody the the FBI the day this 
shit went down.  He was a friend of Bin's.  This is WHY we are 
litterally sleeping with the enemy people!  If the japs were 
sent out of here and rounded up in 41.  We REALLY need to do 
this now.  Concentration camps not a bad idea.  Now Johnny, 
please take clue and SHUT THE FUCK UP.  EAGLE EYE /JOE FLORIDA 
RULES.  DEATH TO THE TOWELHEADS IN USA AND MIDDLE EAST.  Take 
your jhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiad and shove it up your ass 
motherfuckers.  By the way, anyone here the new parody song to 
the tune of DAYO.  No, well here blows:  CUM MR. TALIBAN GIMME 
SOME OSAMA,  DAYLIGHT COME AND WE WANNA GO HOME.  ITS SEVEN FOOT 
EIGHT FOOT NINE FOOT BOMB, DAYLIGHT CUM AND WE WANNA GO HOME.  
Joh, I heard your cum tastes bad like week old clam chowder at 
the chinks.  FUCK YOU!

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Eagle Eye
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:34:57 2001

Message:
What a disgusting representation of Americans.  No wonder we get 
a bad rap with that kind of _ _ _ _!

Read a book eagle eye, you might learn something!

From: Justice USA
To: John = anal retentive
Subject: Keep Eagle and Joe
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:30:54 2001

Message:
I want them to STAY on the board forever.  They talk good shit 
and you just seem to be a bit redundant.  John, dont tell people 
how to feel.  Everyone handles their grief and anger 
differently.  When is the last time you went down to the World 
Trade Center and smelled the still burning smoked bodies of our 
beloved brothers and sisters?  I was there yesterday.  Any good 
psychiatrist will tell you that anger is the first step towards 
healing.  Your posts come across as very self righteous and 
pompous.  I would suggest you eat a lot of bran daily and keep a 
fleet enemy at all times.  Good luck with your proctoligist!  PS 
stop with the plerubis shit.  It does NOT impress any of us.  
Stop breaking my twat already!  Lick Me!

From: a surfer who can't believe what written here
To: Eagle & Joe florida
Subject: Sick!!!
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:39:58 2001

Message:
There is medication available that may help to quell your 
symptoms.

You want to kill millions of children?

You believe your eye for eye statement targets the correct eye?

You are one sick little boy.

You should be imprisoned or hospitalized.

From: EagleEye
To: John - E Plurabus Anus
Subject: typical elitist wannabe intelectual
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:02:32 2001

Message:
John,

As with all elitist wannabe intellectual panzy ass prix and 
prickettes, you feel you "deserved" some sort of response to 
your night long effort of disecting my post[s].  Frankly, your 
continual assertions that I am some Joe from Florida is no 
longer worth a response, and being that you've been exposed for 
what you are, a Politically correct traiterous, anal receptical 
of manhood [or is it goat-largess?] - I saw little value putting 
forth the effort to respond to one so obviously void of thought 
processing power.  

Further; I was too busy reading BBC web news about all the great 
a gory details of all the raghead Afghani civilians suffering 
greatly in their hospital with no plasma for surgery 
[amputations on children couldnt be performed], and pain relief 
meds are basically un heard of. Couldnt have been happier 
getting all that reading enjoyment - had no time to waste on 
your petty non-sense.

John you gave yourself away the instant you indicated I would be 
locked up for my posts ... why?  Because you evidently have 
never read and do not understand a document that lets your panzy 
little ass post here [Bill of Rights], and was paid for by the 
blood of my forefather's.  Yours must be the ones that snuck 
over after WWI/WW2-little cocksucker.  I threatened No one - yet 
reveled in their ongoing agony - fuck them.  Have you ever read 
Article One, or are you two busy reading latin, or your lover 
Chomsky, or are you an Islamic studies major - cunt.  They dont 
let pussies like you license a firearm, so save it.  Besides 
your too busy posting here to know shit about weapons.

You were correct in this assessment:
----------------
"Johnboy's Response:   It's obvious you are newly indoctrinated 
to this new found hatred.  In my, and certainly most readers 
judgment, you 
have simply shifted your vast hate, but temporarily, from 
another group of people, whether they be blacks, Asians, 
Mexicans, Jews, or others, to those of the Muslim faith.  I say 
temporarily, for it is certain you will re-shift your focus 
towards your hated group du-jour"
-----------------------

I do NOT hate Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc ... mainly just candy 
ass liberals who are constantly trying to ruin this great 
country with their Politically Correct, liberty reducing 
bantor.  That'd be you Johnboy [elitist pussy, self 
indoctrinated genious wannabe]  As I said in an earlier post - 
if it would mean the end of all Palastinian crybabies who are 
too Koranfucked to move to another surrounding country - [who 
are sooooo concerned about their suffering muslim brothers BTW] 
I'd have our GOVT send $20 billion a yr in aid to Isreal.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ????  

Hate for the sake of Hate?  

Libertarian?  Now thats funny.

Liberals want the end of Al-Qada{sp?] - really? How? Not talking 
about the Face Time liberals on Capital Hill you dweeb ... Im 
talking about the peace sign waving, marching, no flags on a 
fire truck, or pledge in school traiters - you appear to adore.

What ya gonna do Johnboy - go over, parachute in and grab your 
ankles, and lube up the chute and LOVE them Taliban, Afghani, Al-
Qada boys into NOT hating the US.  You going to change their 
mind by giving in to their ludicrous demands of the eradication 
of Isreal? Dreamer..... Hey earth to Johnboy ... while your 
daydreaming about Lennon [ the english one U asshole ...] these 
Muslim zealot fucks your soooo worried about America hating - 
are sending you and your loved ones, and your elected officials 
[well .... oooops you still probably think Bush "stole" the 
election - but thats another issue....] Anthrax, likely working 
on a way to steal more planes, looking for ways to get Nukes, 
and are likely ready to unload Small Pox.

BTW - Johnboy Genious - why cant these Muslim swine keep their 
shit under control by themselves?  When these assholes off'd 
senior citizens in the Towers, and women and children of all 
ethnicities - where were the riots in the streets by the GOOD 
Muslims against these atrocities?  As soon as a Taliban luvin 
Afghani civi gets off'd - Flag Burning time - and ohhh whats 
that ... Usama Bin Hidin's fucking poster being worshipped by 
1000's - your lost.  They MAJORITY "hate" USA.  

Your adulation aint going to mend that fence dream-boy.  Since 
you have yet to post anything that indicates your against what 
these "Peaceful" [now theres comedy] Muslims stand for - one 
could gain the impression you feel they had a right to 9.11.01?

Call it out Johnny - Pro or Anti US war on Bin Laden/Taliban/Al-
Qda?


From: San Francisco lover
To: Filthy Pakistanis
Subject: Spitting clam phleghm in kitchen sink
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:42:23 2001

Message:
The above posts about clam cum got me thinking about the dirty 
filthy pakistanis.  I knew someone that roomed with one of them 
in college (paid for by Uncle Sam of course) and this pakistani 
slob used to SPIT every morning into the kitchen sink on top of 
all the silverware and dishes. GROSS!  He would clam it with his 
phleghm.  Disgusting.  He would never wash himslef and he had 
that bad cheese smell between his toes and his feet stunk bad 
from the only pair of sandles that he wore all year round.  This 
pakistani always talked bad shit about this wonderful country of 
ours.  WHY DOESNT THE USA TAKE CARE OF ITS OWN?  

From: EagleEye
To: my detractors
Subject: See how it can be .....
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:50:07 2001

Message:
Because most of you, like me .... live behind the ignorant bliss 
that is the security of the USA and her borders.

You dont seem to be able to fathom the magnitude of the 
many "Muslims", and others that hate you and what you stand for, 
like and even "beyond" the "heinous" and incidious commentary 
Ive posted. Like I say I hate them - they hate you worse, and 
your freaking kidding yourself if you deny it - but John - you 
rationlize your shit your way.

How does someone put their pregnant fiance on an airplane, give 
her a live-bomb in a breifcase, not tell her, and switch planes 
at a connection, and plan to blow her, the kid and all the 
peep's on the plane up.

With comments likemine now wonder America has a bad rap with 
Arabs?  No anti muslim / Arab shit pre 9/11/01 bitch - how do 
you expalin that?

From: John
To: Justice USA
Subject: just Americans
Date: Thu Oct 25 13:50:35 2001

Message:
Justice, look what they've written.  Any Psychiatrist will tell 
you - "there's a person on the edge ready to snap.  Their 
future, and the future of those around them is in great peril."

They are the type that when your mother accidently cuts them off 
on the highway, they'd chase her down and punch her out, if not 
kill her.

To use the excuse it's O'K because bodies are still burning in 
the ashes doesn't cut it.

If they had posted that they themselves lost a brother, a 
parent, a friend, or even somebody they knew, most of us would 
have sympathy and could easily understand their rage.  But they 
didn't make such a claim.  If they had.  I'd have said nothing 
and accepted their anger as simply created by and from great 
personal loss.

This is not rage.  It is simply hate.  They simply want to hate 
for the sake of hate.  If it were not focused at the children of 
Afghanistan it would be focused at the children of some other 
race.

Here is a copy (word for word) of what he posted:

Muslims in Florida,  BE AWARE!!!  I will not stop my car for 
you, your wives or your children.  If you get in front of me, 
You will end up in the hospital or worse.  This is in no way a 
threat.  Just a promise

*****

If that's not a guy on the edge, a sure sign of serious 
problems, and if you can't see it, then you also must have 
similiar mental problems.

John
E pluribus unum


PS   for those who don't know what E pluribus unum means-  it 
means:  Out of many, One.

It's a symbolizes for this nation (found on our money) the great 
unity of all our peoples from all points of this world who 
helped build this great nation.

Decades from today, Americans will look back in similiar fashion 
at Arabs and those of the Islamic faith, similiar to - how we 
look upon the Japanese Americans or German Americans today.  As 
Americans, and just Americans.

E pluribus unum

From: Holland/Italy
To:
Subject: Words don't hurt
Date: Wed Oct 24 16:49:22 2001

Message:
I dont't mind the foul language being used on this board; as 
someone mentioned correctly; the whole idea of it was for people 
to vent their feelings, which at the moment are feelings of 
hate, frustration and justified anger.
As a matter of fact, sometimes I have to laugh at the ugly 
fantasy used, I don't really think most of these guys would hurt 
anybody once they get from behind their computer. In Holland we 
have a saying that goes: barking dogs don't bite. Except for the 
ones fighting in Afghanistan of course, but they have to keep up 
the adrenalin. I especially thought the A- drawing of the 
Tomahawk and the "Hit and Run"- A-bomb was quit good and very 
creative. 
The only thing I do mind, having been in Iran, Iraq, Syria, 
Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Somalia and other Muslim 
countries, that those people have a complete different idea of 
society than we do. All the admirers of Bin Laden (and every day 
that passes without him being taken, their number increases!)
enjoy Americans having a fit over what they provoked, they wish 
for nothing else. They don't speak their thoughts out loud, and 
they think that makes them superior to (sometimes naive) 
Americans. ESD posted an interesting speech by R. James Woolsey, 
ex- director of the CIA. He says: "We are now facing an enemy 
from a part of the world where the aspects of war for many 
centuries have been clandestine raids, assasinations, terror 
against civilians and deception. In response to the 
challenge "come out and fight like a man" we will only get 
smirks in the shadows and more Anthrax, or worse...  These dogs 
don't bark, but they do bite.
Everybody is worried about Anthrax, I am worried about other 
things, why does Rumsfeld say that Bin Laden may never be 
caught? I hope that he is only trying to sidetrack the enemy. It 
would not be good for our reputation if Bin Laden, just like 
Saddam did, will be the only one still standing on the 
chessboard once the war is over.
Also, I don't feel good about a lot of things, I know Bush said 
that we were not going to be informed about everything going on 
in this war, but sometimes I wonder..
-Toulouse (remember one of the persons killed wore a typical 
kamikaze-suit:five pairs of underpants, one on top of the other).
-The plane-crash on the flight from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk - I 
really don't believe in the Ukranian missile. I believe in what 
was stated in the Debka-files: a bomb planted in Novosibirsk the 
day before.
-The SAS plane-crash in Milano-Linate, on the first day the 
attacks started in Afghanistan. Strangely enough, Bin Laden's 
brother, Yeslam Bin laden, had made a lot of misterious visits 
to that city in the months prior to what happened.
-Even yesterdays accident in the St.Gotthard-tunnel,why did the 
roof collaps, maybe a bomb in a kamikaze-truck?
And now salmonella germs were sent to Clinton, what lies ahead 
of us?
  



     

From: Bob
To: Joe, Eagle Eye etc.
Date: Thu Oct 25 14:31:02 2001

Message:
Looking at some of the things on this 
site that spewed daily by people like Eagle Eye & Joe, it is 
understandable why so many people around the world hate 
Americans. It is pitiful that you people have so much rage in 
your bodies. Is it maybe a case of not enough sex therefore too 
much testosterone? Get real guys; you are not going to get 
anywhere with attitudes like these. In fact I'm willing to put 
money on the fact that most of the people saying these things 
have never been out of America, if not their front rooms.

From: John
To: EagleEye
Subject: The Second Line in the Sand
Date: Thu Oct 25 14:26:08 2001

Message:
You selectively read parts of my writings to find what you 
object to.  You fail to absorb its full content.

I've answered this question numerous times within my writings.

Here's what you asked:  Call it out Johnny - Pro or Anti US war 
on Bin Laden/Taliban/Al-
Qda?


#1 - I am Pro-War with regard this conflict and all conflicts & 
operations our government has undertaken that I have knowledge 
of.  Including Truman's use of the Bomb to save the lives of 
Americans to terminate the war early.

#2 - I simply ascertain the target here is al Quaeda, Taliban, 
probably Saddam and numerous terrorist groups including Hammas, 
Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah any and all terrorists groups our 
government targets.  I DO NOT condone the murder of innocent 
women and children.  That's my whole point.  Why is it so 
difficult for you to see that.  Why would you want to stoop to 
the level of those evil evil men by murdering the children?

#3 - I voted for George W. Bush, Bob Dole, George H. Bush, 
Ronald Reagan (my hero), at each election.

#4 - As a youngster I was a member of the Young Republican Club

#5 - I'm a fulltime listener of conservative talk radio.  I love 
Rush, Bob Grant, Al Rantel (spelling ?) etc.  I a fairly new 
listener of Larry Elder (Libertarian - he's converting me)

#6 - I subscribe to numerous conservative newsletters.  My 
favorite is Town Hall - if you want to subscibe cut and paste - 
http://www.townhall.com/newsletters/


Now - To reiterate:  I simply ascertain the target here is al 
Quaeda, Taliban, probably Saddam and numerous terrorist groups 
including Hammas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah any and all 
terrorists groups our government targets.  I DO NOT condone the 
murder of innocent women and children.  And those who do are of 
the minority in this country.  No poll will ever be done.  But 
you can be certain, if ever a poll was taken as to whether the 
target should be the innocents of Afghanistan, it would look 
like this:

99.5%  against targeting women and children
.5% for


John
E pluribus unum

Still not certain -  Here's a piece I (I) wrote last week.

  
October 18, 2001

The Second Line in the Sand


President George the 2nd is reasonably reluctant to point the 
finger in the right direction for fear of alienating some Arab 
states within our present coalition.  The Bush Doctrine's 
coalition will change at the approaching conclusion of this 
battle and focus will turn to Iraq's dictator Saddam Hussein.  
Following the topple of Sadam the target will again change.  
This time to the PLO and Palestinian terror groups - Hamas and 
the Islamic Jihad, and most assuredly the Iranian/Syrian terror 
group Hezbollah based in Lebanon.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, the coalition designer, whose 
nails have been clipped by the administration, solely to appease 
moderate Arab states, has an arduous task in the coming days.  
Again, for the third time in weeks, Powell will request Israel 
seek no (or little) retaliation against the PLO.  Israel 
hopefully will abide as they did when Saddam sent 39 scud 
missiles into Israel during the Gulf War.  It is quite different 
this time though.  Tuesday, Israel's Cabinet Minister Rehavam 
Ze'evi was executed, seemingly without Arafat's order.  The 
killing was claimed by the terrorist group The Popular Front for 
the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP),  part of the Palestine 
Liberation Organization.  Yassar Arafat allows militant groups 
to operate freely in his territory.  This shelter for terror is 
mirrored to the Taliban and how they allow the al Quaeda to 
operate in Afghanistan.  The killing of Minister Ze'evi was said 
to be in retaliation for the August 27th  killing of the 
Palestinian leader Mustafa Zibri in an Israeli missile attack.   
The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) says "the bullets fired 
at  Ze'evi were also aimed at the ceasefire."  So the actual 
purpose for the killing was to circumvent truce talks underway.  
The terrorist's need the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to 
escalate in order to further cultivate moderate Islamic 
sympathies and to further their radical martyr recruitment 
effort, those willing to die for Allah in pursuit of Islamizing 
the world and driving the Infidel's and Zionist's from their 
claimed sacred lands.  Secretary Powell must convince Prime 
Minister Sharon that the war against terrorism will be won, but 
in battles of our choosing, on our timetable, and not the 
terrorists.   Retaliation is promised by Israel at the end of 
the mourning period for Minister Ze'evi, early next week.  For 
Powell, time is of the essence.

Weeks ago President George W. Bush drew the "first coalition" 
line in the sand.  Soon after Taliban and Sadam are damned the 
President will draw a new line in the sand.  This line will be 
more like a ditch in the dirt.  He will demand this time -
 "You're either with us, or you are with the terrorist's."
  
E  pluribus  unum
John

PPS   This is not about killing children.  It's about terrorism.



From: Holland/Italy
To: John
Subject: Don't be so fucking patronizing!!
Date: Thu Oct 25 15:26:31 2001

Message:
The subject is the message

From: John
To: Holland/Italy
Subject: Don't be so fucking patronizing!!
Date: Thu Oct 25 15:36:37 2001

Message:
If you define patronizing as: to treat in an offensingly 
condescending manner?

When it comes to condoning the murder of innocent children, 
there is no other applicable reasonable manner to utilize in 
order to make for correction to unreasonable thinking such as, 
other than by intensive therapy.

All the best to you.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Holland/Italy
To: John
Date: Thu Oct 25 15:47:07 2001

Message:
Webster: -Condescend: to be affable toward those regarded as 
inferior rank. 
I thought you would not look upon any human being as being 
inferior, you know words cannot be mistaken for actions. 
  

From: radio europe
To: John
Subject: 2nd line in the sand
Date: Thu Oct 25 15:28:59 2001

Message:
This isn't even about terrorism, John.
This actually isnt even about war. This is far worse.
This is about a  religion turned into a sick doctrine.

So sick, actually, that  it's followers -wherever in the world 
are capable of  or agree with- committing the worst kind of 
atrocities thinkable. And we are sick enough ourselves to 
listen to them, to attend conferences where some imman 
from a godforsaken war-torn country comes to tell us how 
degenerated we are.

Degenerated we are if we do not deal with this aptly, if we do 
not defend a system based on basic human rights.

Degenerated we are if we even let some  turbanwearing 
self-declared holyman speak his doctrine out into the free 
world, with his own people dieing  in the background for a 
religion that has more repect for fasting than it has for life 
itself.

Degenerated are we, if we do not prove them wrong, if we 
neglect the history and the fighting that was done to come to 
the values we live by today. 

Degenerated are we if we do not show it's indoctrinated, 
isolated followers that we live by laws made democraticly , 
from the consent within decent people.

Degenerated are we, if we cannot or will not defend, with all 
possible force, the human achievement of this free world.

Read some history books, the Mores got kicked out of Spain 
only after they had finished of and destroyed what was left of 
classic culture in Europe.

So, let's destry them, before they destroy us...


From: John
To: Holland/Italy
Subject: RE: you know words cannot be mistaken for actions.
Date: Thu Oct 25 16:02:39 2001

Message:
RE: "you know words cannot be mistaken for actions."

It is the words that promote the hate that cause the action.  
Example - The misinterpretation of the Koran by Fundementalists 
Islamics.  The majority of Islam's interpretation differs 
greatly.

In this case to promote the hatred of all Islam, promoting its 
destruction is a call to action similiar.

All the best,

From: John
To: radio europe
Subject: religion turned into a sick doctrine.
Date: Thu Oct 25 16:14:17 2001

Message:
Hi Radio,  I at first believed this.  I still may.  I'm hoping 
maybe it will be possible to circumvent this scourge by nipping 
it in the bud.  I suspect the required assinations and 'enemy' 
losses at war will number in the hundreds of thousands or less, 
and not millions.

John
E...

From: ton
To: john and simon
Subject: remember 6000 wtc dead
Date: Thu Oct 25 16:26:26 2001

Message:
i just want to say that we are pissed at the afgans   who else 
can we blame  we all know bin laden is the scum bag behind this  
we are at war with afgan not bin laden  at this point he is the 
leader of afgan   so of course we have to bomb afgan to get him  
if he hides in kabol than we must bomb the cities  regardless of 
who dies  lets face it bin laden did not care and all the afgan 
people did not care  right    right john  if you had an ounce of 
brains you would understand i am correct..   i am always right  
trust me  we have to bomb those rag headed mother fuckers in 
afgan anf iraq    i'll bet if we do than the problem in the us 
will end.     remember japan  nagasaki and heromisha   well we 
had to  and you know in case you don't, you dumb ass   that ended 
the war..     remember that!!!!  see john you never can stop 
learning   even you!!!!  where are you from  john..  i am from 
the great state of florida  if you are not aware of it   its in 
the great   U S A.     HAY JOE FROM FLORIDA  YOU ARE SO RIGHT 
......  WELL  SEE YA  WE HAVE ONLY ABOUT 5000 MORE AFGANS TO 
INCINARATE or melt down  oh what ever you know what i mean  right 
john  

we love ya

ton

From: Tweety
To: Eagle Eye and Joe in Florida and Free Europe
Subject: KEEP POSTING
Date: Thu Oct 25 16:38:41 2001

Message:
Ilove listening to the three of you.  You guys are really 
great.  I want to peck out the eyes of the taliban and 
especially the children.  They are taught in the womb to hate.  
They are trained to use guns when they are three years old.  
They need to be aborted inside the womb from the Muslim whores.  
afghanistan allows BIn Laden to be the guest.  Afghanistan is a 
shit country.  This is Tweety.  Over and out.  PS note to 
British soldiers: Please keep dropping that mad cow disease food 
on these stupid bastards.  

From: John
To: radio europe
Subject: BTW
Date: Thu Oct 25 16:52:44 2001

Message:
BTW Radio,  Good argument and absolutely great piece of 
writing.  Bring forth more.  Thanks,

John
E...

From: Tweety
To: Muslims stink like shit
Subject: Explain why you dont clean yourselves?
Date: Thu Oct 25 17:56:31 2001

Message:
Hou cum there is no deodorant in your country?  How come your 
women bitches dont have kotex but use rags instead?  They are 
not allowed to shave their twats either.  The twats and beards 
all have to stay the same length better for allah to eat them. 
LMGDMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Die you fucken diaper rag wearers.

From: EagleEye
To: radio europe
Subject: good points .....
Date: Thu Oct 25 17:52:22 2001

Message:
radio, good points all around, I may add that I feel our friend 
John - who I will no longer call a liberal, [I can give credit 
where its due, though John will likely resent it ... oh well]

john has been duped or is in denial about the sheer numbers and 
depth of the American hating Muslim religion.  I however; see 
through their thinly "veiled" hatred.  Sorry John that I lay it 
all out like it is.  I prefer to go full throttle at the enemy - 
all of them seen and unseen - until proved wrong.  Id rather 
throttle down than have to continually throttle up to match the 
intensity of the enemies hatred.

In an ealier post John you said you still held out ... what was 
it ... "Hope" that the majority of Muslims are as you would 
prefer .... what .. able to "stomach" americans?

You want to talk about hate for the sake of hate ... what about 
how they hate Jews?  What,  are you anti semetic John?  How do 
you "over-look" the muslim faiths known and pronounced hate of 
the Jew?

Because you dont hate your enemy as much as they hate you - does 
that make you a bigger/better person?

From: EagleEye
To: John
Subject: Islamic Terrorism vs. Children
Date: Thu Oct 25 18:46:43 2001

Message:
Is there such thing as an "innocent" afghani/american Hating 
Muslim child?  Seems like the next bin Laden.

Are you over the stupid freakin Joe Florida crap yet? at 
least .......

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: I'm not the only one
Date: Thu Oct 25 18:51:38 2001

Message:
Anthrax letter analyst doubts writer is Muslim 


PETER SLEVIN, THE WASHINGTON POST 

WASHINGTON -- The phrases in the anthrax letters delivered to 
New York and Washington are short, assertive and not always 
written in proper English. One declaration to a hand-printed 
line, they promise death and boast of invincibility. One asks a 
question: "Are you afraid?" 

As the FBI focuses on threats that have frightened the nation, a 
private analyst who studied the letters that accompanied the 
deadly bacteria, said Wednesday that he believes the notes sent 
to NBC anchor Tom Brokaw, the New York Post and Senate Majority 
Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., were written by two different people 
working together. 

Gerald "Gary" Brown, a retired Air Force counterterrorism 
specialist, said he doubts the authors were Muslims or recent 
arrivals to the United States, and also doubts the anthrax 
attacks were directly connected to the Sept. 11 assault. 

"We believe this is home grown," said Brown, cautioning that he 
and his partners at a Beaverton, Ore., firm were making educated 
guesses. He speculated that the Daschle letter was crafted to 
attract attention after the anthrax letters sent previously to 
news organizations garnered too tepid a response. 

Brown noted that the Daschle letter specifically mentioned 
anthrax, which the media letters -- one a photocopy of the 
other -- did not, suggesting that the author wanted to guarantee 
attention. Twenty-eight people were exposed to the bacteria in 
that envelope. 

But the letters, taken together, are anything but definitive, 
said Brown and other analysts who examined the three notes 
released Tuesday by the FBI. They said a persuasive case could 
be made that the letters were crafted by someone unfamiliar with 
English phrases and uncomfortable with American handwriting, a 
foreign terrorist, for example. 

Several also said that an equally persuasive argument could be 
made for the case that the letters are disguises designed by a 
native English-speaker who wanted to point attention for the 
anthrax attack elsewhere -- to a foreign terrorist, for example. 

The Bush administration has been operating under the suspicion 
that the anthrax attacks in Washington, New York and Florida are 
connected to the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings blamed on Osama bin 
Laden's al-Qaida terror network. 

The Brokaw and New York Post letters were postmarked Sept. 18 in 
Trenton, N.J. The Daschle letter was postmarked Oct. 9 in the 
same place. 

A reading of the three letters and three envelopes shows that 
the punctuation and the penmanship vary. No sentence is longer 
than five words and there are just 39 words in the two letters 
combined. 

"This is not natural handwriting," said forgery expert Richard 
T. Galasso. "The baseline quality of all this writing is poor. 
The slow, deliberate, labored writing is either disguised or ... 
could mean the writer is unskilled or not very literate in 
writing English." 

Galasso said the numeral "1" was crafted from three lines, as 
if "writing from a text. This is the way you would formulate 
ones when you were learning in kindergarten. It's a person who 
could be attempting to be child-like in deception." 


From: Normal
To: All Jihaad Believers
Subject: Life is short...Play hard
Date: Thu Oct 25 18:07:25 2001

Message:
Eradicate Islamic extremists, and the rest of the world might..
live on to become a better place. There is no place on earth for 
them or the false prophet they follow. I had a real live and let 
live view on different religions, customs, etc.. until I started
checking out some websites (type in Islam on any search engine)
and read up on their violent and self righteous traditions.
Christianity is a religion that focuses on works of LIVING men.
Islam is a big fucking JIHAAD, for the sake of sex in an 
afterlife. Wake UP Muslims. It's the DEVIL you're following!!! 

From:
To:
Date: Thu Oct 25 18:53:31 2001

Message:
ONLY LIGHT CAN OVERCOME DARKNESS

From: Anonymous
To: All followers of Allah
Subject: Us bombings
Date: Thu Oct 25 19:09:05 2001

Message:
For those that hate america and love Allah I say this to you: 
You will never get America to leave that region unless you 
remove the Jewish strangle hold on our media.  Americans are 
blinded by the truth of whats going on in Palestine, because 
Jews control our media.  Not all of us agree with the bombings 
and we know that Isreal is using the US as a puppet to fight its 
war with Muslims in Palestine.  

From: Simon
To: Ton
Date: Thu Oct 25 19:05:47 2001

Message:
The bombing of Nagasaki & Hiroshima did 
not stop the war against Japan(Why do you condone such terrible 
acts?). The Japanese surrendered because they thought that the 
USA had more bombs. It didn't. It is estimated that it would 
have taken another six months to develop another one.
                      The bombing of Yugoslavia didn't topple 
Milosevic. It strengthened the people's support of him. The 
bombing of Iraq achieved nothing-Hussein is still in power. He 
has outlived George H Bush. He has outlived Stormin Norman, 
Margaret Thatcher, John Major & many others. He might even 
outlive George W Bush. The bombing of Libya didn't topple 
Kadaffi. Nor has the bombing of Palestine by Israel toppled 
Arafat. Would someone also remind me of what happened in Somalia?
                       It is important to remember that the 
Afghan people did not choose for Bin Laden to come & live with 
them. He is the guest of a brutal & despotic regime that has 
taken Afghanistan(previously one of the world's poorest 
countries) to a new level of poverty, misery & depression. It is 
an ostracized organ which was only ever recognised by three 
countries(UAE, Saudi Arabia & Pakistan) & has kept Afghanistan 
under sanctions since its arrival in 1995. Bin Laden is their 
guest because he helped them take over the country by buying 
them 200 Toyota Hixus jeeps which they used as troop carriers. 
It would have been churlish of them to refuse to offer 
hospitality. The Afghan people hate Bin Laden, Al Qa'ida & the & 
Taliban. The only reason they do not revolt is because they are 
too weary.
                     Afghanistan is not a country where everyone 
is Afghan first & their etnic origin second. it is a tribal 
country where tribal allegiances are the initial loyalty. Then 
comes the ethnic origin. Finally they are Afghan. It is very 
hard for Americans to realise the difficulty in creating a multi-
representative fair democracy in this most unfortunate country, 
which not only has a beautiful & ancient culture, but was one of 
the most advanced countries in the middle east & where female 
emancipation had reached its highest level, before the Soviet 
invasion of Christmas Day 1979. If I am correct, the Afghans 
were the American's greatest friends at the time.
                       The United States of America is a great 
country. It's meritocratic values are to be respected & 
appreciated. It is a country where effort & application are 
valued & prized more highly than in other parts of the world. 
However, it & its people are not infallible. They are not always 
right.
                        I would be willing to take up the bet 
with you that the bombing would solve the problem. It will most 
probably serve to inflame the situation. George W Bush should be 
praised for his conviction to stand by a monumental decision, 
even though it is not the a very good decision. Donald Rumsfeld 
said that they may never find Bin Laden. We shall see.
                         We remember the 5000 dead in the WTC. 
But do we remember the two million in Cambodia? The million in 
Vietnam? The hundreds of thousands ion Korea? We have short 
memories. This is an intrinsic characteristic of our nature. Do 
we really have to kill 5000 Afghanis? Do not forget that Bin 
Laden & most of his followers are Saudi. So who is guilty? The 
Sauidis or the Afghanis? Oh, & which Afghanis do we kill? The 
Pashtunis, Uzbeks or Tajiks? And what do we do about the 
Christian Afghanis?

From: Bombs Away
To: eat shit liberal fucks
Subject: Kill a taliban today
Date: Thu Oct 25 19:31:40 2001

Message:
Stupid liberal fucks.  This aint the sixties morons. Oh, lets 
try to UNDERSTAND why they did this to us. Come on people grow 
the fuck up already.  These pablum eating liberal tree huggers 
make me want to shit!  I would like to ask the web host to 
please put some emotions captions on here, like smiley faces, or 
evil faces, or HEY MAYBE SOME PHOTOS OF DOGS!  lol. Asshama, we 
are cumming after you and your mama.  You danced at your sons 
wedding as our people were dying by the thousands I hear.  Well, 
let us show you some dancing, we will have you dancing real 
soon.  I am pissed off that the United States pulled strings to 
get your family members that were here in California out 
safely.  They should have been the first ones killed.  
COCKSUCKER!  I live to hear of your death.  

From: Betty Boop
To: Joe in Florida
Subject: I like you
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:05:42 2001

Message:
Joe, you have the GREATEST sense of humor.  I cant stand the 
middle east and muslims have always struck me as very EVIL.  
When I see them walk down the street, I want to vomit.  These 
people need to be eradicated from the face of this earth.  Why 
isnt the government rounding them up like they did in Japan and 
get them out of America.  It would be so much SIMPLER to trace 
the Anthrax if it came from over seas.  DEATH TO ALL TERRORISTS 
AND THEIR FAMILIES. MAY THEIR SHORES FOREVER BE FLOODED WITH 
BLOOD

From: EagleEye
To: John
Subject: Anonymous and the Jewish Media
Date: Thu Oct 25 19:57:18 2001

Message:
Read anonymous' post.  Classic Muslim ALLAH luvin Jihide crap.

When will these ignorant peasant muslim excriment for brains 
realise that the Jews and especially americans are a superior 
civilization, and in the end will use them for farm animals if 
they dont abandon their baseless zeal for ALLAH as protrayed by 
that degenerate "prophet" MooooowRaghead, and quit killing 
civi's, stealing planes, aquiring nukes and bio weapons.

When will they realize their ALLAH has foresaken them to hell on 
earth in his giant kitty litter box.  They get expelled, covered 
with sand, and buried - just like feces.  Quite appropriate Id 
say. 

Anyone care to discuss the Afghani Opium crop problem?  These 
piece of shit innocent civi afghans grow and use this shit like 
you drink water - and they poisen the World with their one GDP.

Maypalm perhaps?  Id love to see the whole shit fuck mess be 
turned into a glass blowers paradise.  How hot do you need to 
get sand before it glazes?  Hey and John ..... all the kids who 
havent yet gone to the maddrasses can leave first - but the 
three yr old Kalishnakov toting little fucks burning the Stars 
and Stripes are gonna be tint in the backarac [sp? - too lazy]

What a bonus that the bin laden douche bags and Towel e ban are 
using civi's as Human Shields.  If the dumb shits would leave, 
then the "towl e ban" couldnt do it.  So either they look 
forward to the towel e ban to protect them and are on their 
side, or are so fucking stupid - where's the loss?  If the towel 
e ban were so concerend for their people - why use them as a 
shield - where's that in the Koran?

Bet theres a few russian mothers laffin their ever lovin asses 
off right now as they recall the stories of their sons being 
staked in the blazing Afghan desert to a cross with their 
eyelids cut off.  John, could we send you over to afghanistan so 
you could explain the Geneva convention to these pieces of shit?

I can get you a screamin deal on Travelocity right now.  Or how 
bout we book you on a trip to Indonesia so you can chill with 
all those NICE muslims you "HOPE" are not ANTI-US.

From: joe(Florida)
To: Betty Boop
Subject: Thank you
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:36:32 2001

Message:
Hi there Miss Boop,

I wish i knew the answer to that.  i believe they all should bve 
rounded up and exterminated myself.  But maybe uncle sam will 
get the message after this antrax thing gets blown out.  Who 
else would be idiotic enough to do this but them rag head goat 
fuckers.  But Betty, keep up the good work, if us americans 
stick togeather we will knock the shit out of the pests.  See ya 
later

Joe

From: ton
To: john and simon
Subject: afgan's must be destroyed
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:39:39 2001

Message:
well i'm back i heard we have only 5000 left to murder like the 
way they killed  at the  W T C .  IN CASE YOU FOOLS FORGOT  if i 
was a pilot  i would be aiming at hospitals and large homes   you 
know what i mean.   bin laden is the ruler of afgan people and 
therefor the country must suffer the grave ness of a melt down   

  how do you like those apples   john you are from   if you have 
the balls to say   i am from florida  great  u s a.

From: ton `
To: any afgan sympathizer
Subject: afgan sucks
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:45:52 2001

Message:
well i have a plan  why not drop mustard gas on those bastards do 
you know  what that shit will do to you first you get so sick  
you vomit your stomach empty  then you vomit part of your stomach 
out than your dead  after   you suffer     to good for those scum 
bags in afgan   

From: ton
To: well john not much from you
Subject: hi
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:52:58 2001

Message:
well simon your almost right   but it seems like the BIG BOMBS 
WILL END IT QUIK YOU SEE THE BIG DIFFERENCE KNOW IS     DAH   WE 
HAVE MORE  AND THEY KNOW IT   SO IT WILL WORK  HUH   DAH  

From: Joe(Florida)
To: Bob
Subject: hahahahah
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:44:16 2001

Message:
Bob, Bob, Bob,

Hate to tell you this, but not lacking in the sex department, 
and well you would lose the bet about not leaving the front 
yard.  lets see,  i have been where them rag head goat fuckers 
live, So i have experienced first hand there fuck up culture.  
HAVE YOU???  Or are you someone that never leaves there PC like 
most.  I think they call that anxiety disordor.  Oh well, My 
beef isnt with you, or any other person. Unless of course you 
are one of the rag head fucks that everyone is mentioning here. 
Well Im sorry that you dont agree with the hatred and Anger I 
feel, thats a pity, if you had family that got killed because of 
them, maybe things would be different, or even know someone that 
perished.  See ya Later

Joe

From: TON
To: SIMON
Subject: NUMBERS COUNT
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:58:36 2001

Message:
you must agree with me its a numbers game right!  well afgans 
killed 5000  we have to  and must kill 5000  you see you are 
fooled by  the fact that all the low life scum bags where from 
all over the mid east    but  what does that mean  we just stop 
bombing and take there shit     no   way    you know the big bomb 
is coming sooner or later    face it man   they will not stop 
terror until we show them we are not taking there shit   we have 
to nuke them   now!

From: ANTAMERICAN
To: ALL
Subject: YOU WILL ALL DIE YOU FUCKED UP YANKS!
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:06:21 2001

Message:
YOU YANKS ARE FUCKING STUPID AND ARE GOING TO 
DIE!!!! SUCKED IN MOTHER FUCKERS!!! ARABS SMELL 
BUT WILL KILL YOU DUMB ASS AMERICANS!!!

From: to
To: joe from fl.
Subject: holy war my ass j c in the 1 st
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:04:24 2001

Message:
hi  its me  and not much from  rag head tonite  jon must be 
praying to allah  holy war thay say  i fell jesus will kick 
allah's ass  in the first round by a knock out   about 30 sec.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: HeadlineNews:SpecialEdition
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:05:26 2001

Message:
Stoning to Death in Iran:
A Crime Against Humanity 
Carried Out By the Mullahs' Regime  

Note: Stoning to death is a pre-Islamic practice  condemned 
by the Islamic religeon. 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stoning in Iran,  The Washington Times, February 27  

"The condemned are wrapped head to foot in white shrouds 
and buried up to their waists.  

"Then the stoning begins. The stones are specifically 
chosen so they are large enough to cause pain, but not so 
large as to kill the condemned immediately. They are 
guaranteed a slow, torturous death. Sometimes their 
children are forced to watch. Their offense is usually 
adultery.  

"This is capital punishment Iranian [mullahs'] style, even 
under the so-called moderate new president, Mohammed 
Khatami." 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The video clip you are about to see,  is not easy to watch. It 
depicts graphic scenes of people being stoned to death for 
"moral" offenses, a barbaric practice all too common in Iran 
under the mullahs. The documentary was smuggled out at 
great risk by supporters of the major Iranian opposition 
movement, the People's Mojahedin. It is atypical only in that 
the victims on this particular day were men. Most often, 
women are stoned to death, usually for prostitution. If they 
are mothers, their children are often required by law to 
attend the atrocity, to watch them "repent" for their sins.  

The film shows one man being lashed and four other men 
being stoned to death. Among those in attendance are the 
Chief Religious Judge of the Armed Forces and a number of 
Security commanders. Enshrouded in white sheets and tied 
to restrain them, the victims are buried up to the waist in 
sand. Then they are slowly tortured to death. To prolong 
their torment, the medieval law of the mullahs even 
stipulates that stones too small to cause sufficient pain, and 
those so large as to kill the victims too swiftly, are illegal at a 
stoning.  
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some items form the Penal Code of the mullahs' regime:  

* The penalty for adultery under Article 83 of the penal code, 
called the Law of Hodoud is flogging (100 lashes of the 
whip) for unmarried male and female offenders. Married 
offenders may be punished by stoning regardless of their 
gender, but the method laid down for a man involves his 
burial up to his waist, and for a woman up to her neck 
(article 102) 
* Article 104 of the Law of Hodoud provides that the stones 
should not be so large that a person dies after being hit with 
two of them, nor so small as to be defined as pebbles, but 
must cause severe injury. This makes it clear that the 
purpose of stoning is to inflict grievous pain on the victim, in 
a process leading to his or her slow death. 

The Iranian regime carries out stoning in the name of Islam. 
This is done in order to intimidate and terrorize the public. 
Since taking office, not once has Mohammad Khatami 
uttered a word against stoning. In fact, his government 
spokesman and Guidance Minister, Ata'ollah Mohajeri, said 
in a recent interview that he approves of stoning, but that it 
should be carried out in the presence of a small group of 
people whose loyalty to the regime is established so as to 
prevent the news or films of the horrific scene from being 
made available to the Iranian public and an international 
audience.It must be mentioned that, as it was declared by 
Mr. Massoud Rajavi, President of the National Council of 
Resistance on the occasion of Eid-al Fitr (January 29, 
1998): Stoning is not an Islamic punishment and the Quran 
makes no mention of it.  

Where does Mohammad Khatami (the so called "moderate 
president") and his "Cabinet" stand on stoning?  

Ever since May 1997, when Mohammad Khatami took office, 
he has been telling the world that he is going to make sure 
that law and order prevail in Iran.... He has certainly done 
that on the issue of stoning people to death:  

On October 26, 1997, Associated Press, reported:  

"Iran Stones Six to Death,  
TEHRAN - Three men and three women have been stoned 
to death in public in northern Iran after a court found them 
guilty of adultery and prostitution, a newspaper reported 
Sunday.  

The report said the stoning was carried out by local citizens 
in public in town near the Caspian Sea.  

Under Iran's Islamic laws, prostitution and adultery are 
illegal and punishable by death" 
Not only "president" Khatami did not oppose the above 
stoning, but the members of his "Cabinet" continue to 
support this savage act:  
  

Pro-Government Daily Ressalat, April 9 , 1998  

In response to a question raised by the correspondent of 
Farda daily on why the Minister had failed to defend the 
Islamic punishment of stoning in his Paris interviews, 
Ata'ollah Mohajerani [government spokesman and Minister 
of Guidance] said: "There is no doubt that we must all 
defend the Islamic decrees... As for stoning, there is a 
Quranic verse that says a group of faithful must be witness 
to it. In this regard there is a debate whether stoning should 
take place in full public view or whether it could be carried 
out in the presence of a limited number of faithfuls in a 
restricted area."  

The Minister of Islamic Guidance pointed out: "We should 
keep the interests of our country in mind in an open 
atmosphere of international public relations. Would it be in 
our interest if an act of stoning is filmed and broadcast 
abroad? If not, we should consider carrying out 
the verdict in front of a small crowd of the believers in order 
to forestall public backlash.

The stoning of women is one of the more savage, and 
revealing aspects of the mullahs' rule in Iran. This vicious 
punishment of women is without precedent in Iran's recent 
history. Since the inception of the mullahs' rule, hundreds of 
women of various ages have been and continue to be 
stoned to death throughout Iran.  

What makes this hideous crime even more abhorrent is that 
it is carried out under the name of Islam. The Quran and the 
Prophet of Islam despised such behavior. On the contrary, 
in the Quran and the Prophet's traditions, such barbarism is 
denounced. The Prophet did his utmost to eradicate 
backward traditions, including stoning, which victimized 
women.  

The authorities of the Islamic Republic have attempted to 
explain away stoning in Iran, as noted in the report by the 
U.N. Special Representative on Iran, as something that 
takes place only in remote and culturally backward areas. 
Actually, stoning and other cruel punishments are used by 
the regime to extend their reign of terror, while internationally 
Tehran tries to deny responsibility. It must be noted that:  

1- The responsibility for any inhuman punishment, 
regardless of where it takes place, lies with the judiciary and 
the state,  

2- Stoning and other cruel punishments taking place in the 
Islamic Republic of Iran are not a matter of individual 
discretion; rather, they are defined by the law of the land, 
and such sentences are issued based on these laws.  

The penalty for adultery under Article 83 of the penal code, 
called the Law of Hodoud is flogging (100 lashes of the 
whip) for unmarried male and female offenders. Married 
offenders may be punished by stoning regardless of their 
gender, but the method laid down for a man involves his 
burial up to his waist, and for a woman up to her neck 
(article 102). The law provides that if a person who is to be 
stoned manages to escape, he or she will be allowed to go 
free. Since it is easier for a man to escape, this 
discrimination literally becomes a matter of life and death.  

Interestingly, Article 6 (2) of the International Covenant on 
Civil and Political Rights, which Iran has ratified, states: 
"Sentence of death may be imposed only for the most 
serious crimes in accordance with the law in force at the 
time of the commission of the crime." Offenses for which the 
Law of Hodoud provides the death penalty do not involve 
murder or serious bodily harm, constituting the "most 
serious crimes".  

Article 104 of the Law of Hodoud provides that the stones 
should not be so large that a person dies after being hit with 
two of them, nor so small as to be defined as pebbles, but 
must cause severe injury. This makes it clear that the 
purpose of stoning is to inflict grievous pain on the victim, in 
a process leading to his or her slow death.  
  

3- All execution orders and verdicts of stoning must be 
upheld by the supreme court in Tehran irrespective of where 
they were issued. Therefore, the regime's justification is 
absurd.  

- The video is a documentary recording of four individuals 
being stoned in one of the security centers in Tehran in the 
presence of high ranking officials of the regime's judiciary. 
The video tape, smuggled out of the country by the 
Mojahedin, shows the representative of the prosecutor 
reading out the verdicts. He declares that the verdicts were 
issued by Ali Razini, the head of Judicial Organization of the 
Military Forces. Razini can be seen in the video tape, and 
throws the first stone. The prosecutor of military forces, 
Niazi, is also present. Razini is currently the head of 
Tehran's Justice Department and also heads the "Special 
Clerical Court."  

Anecdotes of this brutal process reveal ever more of cruelty. 
The regime's authorities usually force the victim's family 
members, including children, to watch the stoning to death 
of their loved one, and in some instances, when the woman 
miraculously managed to escape, contrary to the regime's 
own law, she was recaptured and either stoned again or 
killed on the spot.  

On August 10, 1994, in the city of Arak, a woman was 
sentenced to death by stoning. According to the ruling of the 
religious judge, her husband and two children were forced 
to attend the execution. The woman urged her husband to 
take the children away, but to no avail. A truck full of stones 
was brought in to be used during the stoning. In the middle 
of the stoning, although her eyes had been gouged out, the 
victim was able to escape from the ditch and started running 
away, but the regime's guards recaptured her and shot her 
to death.  

In October 1989 in the city of Qom, a woman who was being 
stoned managed to pull herself out of the hole, only to be 
forced back into it and stoned to death. In justifying the 
murder, Qom's Chief Religious Judge, Mullah Karimi, 
elaborated to Ressalat newspaper on October 30, 1989: 
"Generally speaking, legal and religious decrees on 
someone condemned to stoning call for her stoning if her 
guilt was proven on the basis of witnesses' testimonies. 
Even if she were to escape in the middle of the 
administration of the sentence, she must be returned and 
stoned to death."  

On July 13, 1997, Kayhan reported that Changiz Rahimi was 
sentenced to death, stoning and payment of fine for 
committing murder and adultery.  

On October 26, 1997, six individuals were stoned in Sari, the 
provincial capital of Mazandaran. This was reported by 
Salaam daily and international news agencies. The names 
of the victims were given as Fatemeh Danesh, Masoumeh 
Eini, Marzieh Fallah, Ali Mokhtarpour, Parviz Hasanzadeh 
and Kheirollah Javanmard.  

AFP, December 7, 1994:  

Hamshahri reported that a woman and a man were recently 
stoned to death in Ramhormouz on murder and adultery 
charges.  

AFP, November 16, 1994  

Abrar reported on Wednesday that three Iranians including a 
woman were stoned in the city of Sari (northern Iran), after 
being found guilty of adultery and rape by the Islamic court.  

AFP, 11 November 1995, quoting Jomhouri Islami reported 
that a man was stoned in the city of Hamedan.  

AFP, June 8, 1996  

Hamshahri reported on Saturday that a man and a women 
were stoned in the city of Oroumieh on murder and adultery 
charges. Shahin Soltan-Moradi had murdered her husband 
with the help of her lover, Mohammad Ali Hemmati in 
November 1994.  

On July 14, 1995, Amnesty International reported that two 
women by the names of Saba Abdali, 30, and Zeinab 
Heidary, 38, were faced with stoning in the city of Ilam 
Gharb.  

On December 7, 1994, Reuters quoted a state-controlled 
newspaper report by Hamshahri, on a married woman who 
was stoned to death in the city of Ramhormouz, 
southwestern Iran.  

Ressalat, March 1, 1994, read: "A woman was stoned to 
death in the city of Qom."  

Kayhan of February 1, 1994, reported that a woman named 
Mina Kolvat was stoned to death in Tehran for having 
immoral relations with her cousin.  

The U.N. Special Representative on the human rights 
situation in Iran reported to the U.N. General Assembly in 
1993: "On November 1, 1992, a woman named Fatima Bani 
was stoned to death in Isfahan."  

Abrar reported on November 5, 1991 that a woman charged 
with immoral relations was stoned in the city of Qom.  

According to Kayhan, August 21, 1991, a woman charged 
with adultery by the name of Kobra was sentenced to 70 
lashes and stoning. The verdict was carried out in the 
presence of local people and district officials.  

Jomhouri Islami wrote on March 11, 1991, that in Rasht 
(northern Iran), "Bamani Fekri, child of Mohammad-Issa, 
guilty of complicity in first-degree murder, adultery and 
incineration of the victim's body; was sentenced to stoning, 
retribution, blinding of both eyes and payment of 100 gold 
dinars. After the announcement of the verdict, she 
committed suicide in prison."  

Ressalat reported on January 16, 1990, that a woman was 
stoned to death in the city of Bandar Anzali (northern Iran).  

Ettela'at reported on January 5, 1990: "Two women were 
stoned publicly on Wednesday in the northern city of 
Lahijan."  

Jomhouri Islami, January 2, 1990: "Two women were 
stoned in the city of Langrood (northern Iran)."  

Kayhan wrote on July 31, 1989: "Six women were stoned to 
death publicly in Kermanshah on charges of adultery and 
moral corruption."  

Kayhan, April 17, 1989, quoted the Religious judge and 
head of the Fars and Bushehr Justice Department as 
sentencing 10 women to stoning to death on prostitution 
charges which were immediately carried out.  

Tehran radio, reported on March 6, 1989 that a women was 
stoned in Karaj for committing adultery."  

Kayhan, October 4, 1986, reported that a 25-year-old woman 
named Nosrat was stoned to death in the city of Qom. She 
died after an hour of continuos stoning.  

On April 17, 1986 a woman was stoned to death in the city of 
Qom. Prior to being stoned, she was whipped in public.  

In July 1980, four women were simultaneously stoned to 
death in the city of Kerman.  

It must be noted that the cases of stoning in small towns 
and cities were not included here.  

The brutality is not limited to stoning. For example, in late 
May 1990, in the city of Neyshabour (northeastern Iran), a 
woman charged with adultery was thrown off a 10-story 
building. The execution was carried out in public, and the 
victim died on impact.  

The regime's duplicity when it comes to publicizing the 
news of such Byzantine atrocities, is very telling. Inside Iran, 
they are trumpeted with great fanfare, but when it comes to 
the international arena, officials brazenly deny their 
methods. In an interview with Le Figaro on September 10, 
1994, Rafsanjani was asked, "Are women accused of 
adultery stoned in Iran?" He replied: "No, no such thing 
exists in Iran. This has been fabricated to damage us."  

In his April 1998 trip to France and Sweden, Ata ollah 
Mohajerani, the Minister of Culture and Islamic Guidance 
and Khatami's government spokesman, who is regarded to 
be a moderate figure, discussed several matters. His 
positions openly contradicted what he says in Iran and the 
actions of the government. When asked about his views 
about stoning, Mohajerani refrained from making an 
unequivocal statement of support for this inhuman practice. 
Upon returning to Iran, however, he said explicitly that he 
does not oppose stoning but believes that efforts should be 
made to stop the dissemination of the news of stoning and 
filming the scenes.  
It is therefore clear that the question is not whether stoning 
should be carried out or not, but it about where and how 
stoning should be implemented. 

In her first interview with a foreign publication, Massoumeh 
Ebtekar, who was appointed as vice-president by Khatami, 
tried to avoid stating her views on stoning. Only later in the 
interview did she admit to its occurrence in general terms, 
but qualified her remark by saying it occurs only in remote 
places.  

Indeed, stoning is indispensable to the clerics efforts to 
intimidate and terrorize the Iranian public. During Friday 
prayers, in May of 1998,  in the provincial capital of 
Kermanshah (the largest city in western Iran), Mullah 
Zarandi had the following to say about the need to carry out 
stoning:  The security forces have to show more presence 
in the society. In order to set an example for others, the 
judiciary should also bring some of those eligible to one of 
the city squares and amputate their hands. They should 
also have a series of stoning. I promise that the society will 
be rectified.  
------------------------------------------------------------------------

SITUATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE ISLAMIC 
REPUBLIC OF IRAN
 
PREPARED BY MR. MAURICE DANBY COPITHORNE
SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMISSION ON 
HUMAN RIGHTS ON THE SITUATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS 
IN IRAN

  
OCTOBER 1997

  
B. Torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment 
or punishment 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------ 

Paragraph 21 - In his last interim report to the General 
Assembly (A/52/742, paras. 31-34), the Special 
Representative focused on the use of stoning in the Islamic 
Republic. Since then, it has been brought to his attention 
that, based on press account, the figures used by the 
Special Representative in that earlier report understates the 
real number of deaths and secondly, that many of the 
stonings have in fact taken place in larger cities including 
Tehran, Hamedan, Isfahan and Kermanshah. It is also 
asserted that all such punishments have to be endorsed by 
the Supreme Court and that accordingly, the incidents 
concerned are not random acts of excess. The Special 
Representative declares his condemnation of such 
punishment. 

31- The Special Representative is deeply concerned at the 
continuing reports of the use of cruel, inhuman or degrading 
treatment or punishment in the Islamic Republic of Iran, 
conduct banned by the Universal Declaration of Human 
Rights (article 5), the International Covenant on Civil and 
Political Rights ( article 7), and the Convention against 
torture ands other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment 
or Punishment ( article 16). This is an area that requires 
urgent reform in terms of both law and practice in order to 
meet international human rights norms. In the present 
report, the Special Representative will address perhaps the 
most abhorrent of such practices, that of stoning. 

32- The Special Representative notes that article 82 (b) of 
the Islamic Criminal Code provides that adultery by a 
married woman shall be punished by stoning to death. 
Information reaching the Special Representative suggests 
that stoning has been occurring from time to time since 
1979. Four cases of such punishment in the past 18 
months have come to the attention of the Special 
Representative: 

- An Iranian Magazine reported in its July 1996 edition that 
Shasin Soltan-Moradi, and Mohammad-Ali Hemmati were 
stoned to death in June 1996 in Orumiyeh; 

- An Iranian daily reported on 13 July 1997 that Changiz 
Rahimi, son of Jaafar, was sentenced to stoning for several 
offenses, including adultery; 

- An external media source reported on 20 April 1997 that a 
young woman in Sanandaj, Shahgol Zamani, had been 
stoned to death that week, 

- An external wire service story from Tehran of 12 August 
1997 recounted a story appearing in a Tehran newspaper 
about a 20-year-old woman in Boukan who had been 
sentenced to stoning for adultery. The sentence had been 
carried out, but the woman had apparently survived the 
ordeal. 
  
33- It may be replied that stoning happens very rarely in the 
Islamic Republic of Iran and not certainly in the major cities. 
The Special Representative believes that for it to happen at 
all is unsustainable both legally and morally. The fact that it 
is provided for in the Islamic Criminal Code does not make 
it a "lawful sanction" but, in the view of the Special 
Representative, serves only to encourage recourse to such 
punishment. The Special Representative would note the 
most recent condemnation of cruel, inhuman and degrading 
punishment of the Commission on Human Rights, which is 
resolution 1997/ 38, adopted on 11 April 1997. 

34- In the view of the Special Representative, there is no 
doubt that stoning is a cruel., inhuman or degrading 
punishment, as discussed in the international instruments 
mentioned above. The Special Representative urges the 
Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to remove article 
82 (b) from the Islamic Criminal Code and to undertake a 
policy of actively suppressing recourse to such conduct 
throughout the country. 
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Further 
Reading:http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/amnesty.html   

From: ton
To: antamerican
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:09:31 2001

Message:
dont worry if we die the world will die  trust me  so  you 
should take that back   see you will be dead as well   as your 
mother,  wife,  daughter , son  and your family as well as your 
friends   which i feel you have none anyway   so if you want to 
go to allah     i want to stay here and be free to do what i want 
 like pay $10 if i want my pipes cleaned by by a nice young afgan 
virgin

From:
To: ANTAMERICAN
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:10:32 2001

Message:
Learn to spell you stupid dog.{:@( fuck.

From: Joe(Fla)
To: Ton
Subject: You go Boy
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:17:37 2001

Message:
YOU GO BOY!!!!  Tell them rag head anti american goat fuckers,  
seems there are more that hate them assholes then ones that 
sympathize with them  HEHEHEHE

From: ton great u s a
To: john simon and antamerican scum bags
Subject: afgan people must die
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:15:29 2001

Message:
i heard that a prego   iraq woman  was stoned to death in iraq 
for having an affair   and the guy was let free.  thats islam  
justice  i guess is that the way you want to live  ok  than live 
there and see how lang you last  

From: Joe(Fla)
To: John
Subject: Go Away
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:19:48 2001

Message:
John,  Someone should take you out so you could visy Allah, bet 
he would puke you out in discust

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: Extra
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:21:31 2001

Message:
Some moving targets surface;specifically one 
ANTAMERICAN. INTERPOL hit squad dispatched.

From: Missin'
To: All
Subject: War on Ignorance?
Date: Thu Oct 25 19:52:20 2001

Message:

From: Missin'
To: All
Subject: War on Ignorance?
Date: Thu Oct 25 19:52:20 2001

Message:
John, Simon,
Most intelligent people share your views.  I think you're 
wasting your breathe with the redneck faction here.

By the way...if you can't understand how Fundamentalist Muslims 
differ from ordinary educated Muslims, then perhaps you can 
relate it to someone with Christian beliefs.  Do you agree with 
Jerry Falwell that we deserved this?  I'm a Christian, but I 
certainly don't agree with his Fundamentalist belief.

And, if you confuse Libertarians with Liberals...you truly ARE 
ignorant.

From: John
To: Eagle
Date: Thu Oct 25 20:22:13 2001

Message:
Eagle, The number of Muslim hating Americans probably is 
substantially greater than most of us want to accept, including 
me.  But, - most Muslims have no ability or the resolve to carry 
out acts against us.  It is the Radical Fundementalists - al 
Quaeda and other mentioned terror groups who recruit from the 
ranks of the populace within the nations of Islam.

The answer is to snap the neck of the groups by destroying their 
leadership and decimating their forces by literally killing 
every single one of them.  That is the strategy being utilized 
by "The A Team" of this adminstration.

I'll tell you one thing I know to be - that is not mentioned.  
The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan is mostly closed.  
But one way only.  If you are a Pakistani seeking to go to 
Afghanistan to join the Taliban and their Jihad, you're quite 
welcome.  This of course allows for the egress of supporters 
from Pakistan to Afghanistan where our troops can then simply 
kill with the Taliban.  Possibly, this is one of the causes for 
the delay of full scale attack.  I wonder which Genius in our 
administration thought of it?

There are some like you who prefer to go full throttle with the 
enemy.  I do not as you are aware.  Not only would it make cause 
for the killing of million of innocents, but maybe more 
important (for those who don't value the lives of these 
innocents), is the fact that we would effectively be at war with 
1.2 BILLION people.  I don't want to be at war with 1.2 billion 
people.  I don't know we could win such a war and still have a 
planet to live.  I prefer the strategy being utilized.

With regard to Muslims hating Jews.  They always have hated Jews 
and I suspect maybe they always will.  I hope I'm wrong, but 
there may be a day we may need to airlift all Israeli's from 
their (their) home to here in the United States.  Maybe what we 
should have done at wars end in '46.  But, antisemitism in this 
nation then was greater than today.  Personally, I do not think 
I will ever understand the hate.  

This article may help some understand the predicament we face 
with Muslims.
  
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20011024.shtml

You asked me this:  Because you dont hate your enemy as much as 
they hate you - does that make you a bigger/better person?

Response:  My not hating them as much as they hate me doesn't 
make me necessarily better or bigger then them.  But certainly 
better educated.  Is that not the root of the problem and the 
long term solution?  Education.

All the best,

John
E pluribus unum

PS - I must admit, from what I've seen of Joe's communication 
skills, you could not be him or rather he you.  I must apologize 
profusely.

OH and to address the child Afghan question, or any child for 
that matter.   A child must be taught hate.  Love comes natural.

Cya


From: Joe(Fla)
To: John
Subject: Time to kiss eagles ass
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:45:43 2001

Message:
Good Boy,  love the way you try to suck up  lol   keep up the 
good work

From: John
To: Missin
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:44:55 2001

Message:
Do you pose such .. to solicit response?

"And, if you confuse Libertarians with Liberals..."

No. No confusion.  A libertarian to me is one who seeks freedoms 
from government rule and oversight, including literal 
interpretation of the Constitution, that today is interpreted in 
a manner far from the intent of its creators.

John
E...

From: ton
To: missen
Subject: think!!!!
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:43:43 2001

Message:
you must me a very smart person    us dumb people we don't know 
shit    i guess we are facing this the way it really is and not 
trying to cover it up with pompus bull shit that your throwing   
you see this make love not war won't work this time  i am from 
the 60's  that was a different ball game  see   in case you 
forgot they killed 6000 people in n y c   remember  we have to 
kill at least 6000 of them  and let them see we mean business if 
not they will not stop   don't you see that     think whats 
happened in  nyc   and the anthrax, they won't stop they hate all 
americans, canadians, uk's, n z, aussies.  they won't stop  till 
we melt them all down.   so remember what i am saying  they are 
not finished we have to stop them     why are the   "smart ones" 
letting the   "bad ones" do this and the "smart ones"  are 
smelling like a rose     don't you see this...  wake up      to 
the real world  because it might be over sooner than you think   
enjoy life  and join the hate the scum bag crowd     be smart

From: John
To: Little sick boy Joey from Tampa
Date: Thu Oct 25 21:56:51 2001

Message:
Little sick boy Joey

You're interpretation of a suck-up is in actuality an outright 
diss.. of you.  I simply elevated him (deservedly so) to an 
elevation of able-human - so far greater than you could ever 
dream to acheive - That being one who can communicate.

I inadvertantly confused him with you.  One of his early 
writings I thought was similiar to your evil-non-style.  I was 
wrong about him.  

You. No.

The new terrorist act gets signed by Bush tomorrow.  I bet you 
have no idea what that means for you, do you?

From: Bobby Zimmerman
To: The ESD
Subject: Stoning
Date: Thu Oct 25 22:43:15 2001

Message:
Hey, good details. I used to think I was all alone on my views 
about stoning; now, I think that I would not feel so all alone, 
if everybody must get stoned!

From: theE.S.D.
To: Bobby Zimmerman
Subject: "time for my bootheels to be wandering"
Date: Thu Oct 25 23:37:30 2001

Message:

From: theE.S.D.
To: Bobby Zimmerman
Subject: "--and she bleeds, just like a woman---"
Date: Thu Oct 25 23:40:21 2001

Message:

From: theE.S.D.
To: Bobby Zimmerman
Subject: "---if dogs run free------why not me-----?"
Date: Thu Oct 25 23:48:31 2001

Message:

From: theE.S.D.
To: Bobby Zimmerman
Date: Fri Oct 26 00:09:53 2001

Message:
We normally don't except outside editorials---you are a 
exception.

From: EagleEye
To: theESD
Subject: nice content Hoss!!
Date: Thu Oct 25 23:52:51 2001

Message:
More "peaceful" muslim factoids - as if we really needed any 
more ammo / excuses to wanna off this fornication of a religion.

[Sarcasm off]

But suredly ... the Islamic Militant fucks, with their craniums 
inserted up their colon so far they need scuba gear, will 
dismiss this as Jewish predjudiced lies and American Media 
deception.

Ohhh that Al-Jizz_n_reara is a bastion of balance and truth.

From: theE.S.D.
To: EagleEye
Date: Fri Oct 26 00:19:34 2001

Message:
We appreciate your intrest in our "publication".

From: EagleEye
To: John
Subject: Paki Borders - touche'
Date: Fri Oct 26 00:17:17 2001

Message:
Best fucking news Ive got from you - ever.  You are correct - 
stroke of genious - letting the border open 1 way - out of 
Pakistan and into the Glass Blowers paradise that Afghanitsan 
shall soon become.

In fact - we already got one cig smoker who got fucking lost, 
and then off'd 20+ via smart bomb on a convoy of fresh Ji-hide, 
pussy ass, human shield using Towel-e-Ban supporters coming over 
from Pakistan.

Afghani weather forecast:  5,000 F and Cloudy - but Id settle 
for 50 AC-130's flying round the clock sorties, putting a round 
in every sq. ft of kitty litter.

24 Hour Islamic Bingo - F-18 / F-14 / B-52 / B-1 / B-2

B.I.N.G.O.
o S I O F
M L T O T
B A W D E
  M I N N
  I T
  C S

From: aussie
To: taliban
Subject: bye bye
Date: Fri Oct 26 04:46:16 2001

Message:
A few days ago Australia began sending it troops, war planes and 
warship towards afaganistan, 1550 personal in all(a fair bit for 
a country of under 20million).  These include the world best 
trained troops the Aussie SAS. When the taliban heard this they 
laught it off when the feel them they will be crying, the motto 
of the sas "who dares wins"

From:
To:
Date: Fri Oct 26 04:45:59 2001

Message:
ONLY LIGHT CAN STAMP OUT DARKNESS

From: Aussies
To: Kiwis
Subject: military
Date: Fri Oct 26 04:56:54 2001

Message:
Australia currently has an military alliance with N.Z, it is a 
joke the nz air force consist of 4 planes, 2 which crashed and 2 
that are on loan from Australia.  There navy consist of 3 
Australin built anzac class frigates and the army under 5000 
troops. Australia should leave this alliance unless new zealand 
put if fair shair towards the alliance. for instance every 
10billion Australia spends on it military nz should spend 1 
billion

right now the aussie defence budget is at 20.5 billion 
Australian 

new zealand 500million  Australian 

From: aussie
To: indonesia
Date: Fri Oct 26 05:09:29 2001

Message:
Australia has been constenly critisied for not taking in afgan 
refugee's that arrive illigally on our shores from indonesia, 
well it turns out indonesion police force 350 refugges onto a 
boat at gun point, the boat later sank killing 240 people.  Our 
country takes in more refugess per head of population than any 
other contry apart from canada.  Japan which is president of the 
refugee convention takes 5 refugees a year. 
INDONESIA CAN GO FUCK IT SELF WE ARE NOT TAKING ITS PROBLEM.

They should learn our navy has intercepted 99.8 percent of boats 
and now we just pay poor pacific islands like naru, kirobass 
and :) new zealand and now fiji to process them.  


PS expecting 7.1million afgan refugess and fast running out of 
pacific islands any idea

From:
To:
Subject: An old war treaty
Date: Fri Oct 26 05:29:31 2001

Message:
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, with additional article; also 
Ship-Signals Agreement. The treaty was sealed at Morocco with 
the seal of the Emperor of Morocco June 23, 1786 (25 Shaban, A. 
H. 1200), and delivered to Thomas Barclay, American Agent, June 
28, 1786 (1 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in Arabic. The 
additional article was signed and sealed at Morocco on behalf of 
Morocco July 15, 1786 (18 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in 
Arabic. The Ship-Signals Agreement was signed at Morocco July 6, 
1786 (9 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in English. 

Certified English translations of the treaty and of the 
additional article were incorporated in a document signed and 
sealed by the Ministers Plenipotentiary of the United States, 
Thomas Jefferson at Paris January 1, 1787, and John Adams at 
London January 25, 1787. 

Treaty and additional article ratified by the United States July 
18, 1787. As to the ratification generally, see the notes. 
Treaty and additional article proclaimed July 18, 1787. 

Ship-Signals Agreement not specifically included in the 
ratification and not proclaimed; but copies ordered by Congress 
July 23, 1787, to be sent to the Executives of the States 
(Secret Journals of Congress, IV, 869; but see the notes as to 
this reference). 

[Certified Translation of the Treaty and of the Additional 
Article, with Approval by Jefferson and Adams) 

To all Persons to whom these Presents shall come or be made 
known- Whereas the United States of America in Congress 
assembled by their Commission bearing date the twelvth day of 
May One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty four thought proper to 
constitute John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson 
their Ministers Plenipotentiary, giving to them or a Majority of 
them full Powers to confer, treat & negotiate with the 
Ambassador, Minister or Commissioner of His Majesty the Emperor 
of Morocco concerning a Treaty of Amity and Commerce, to make & 
receive propositions for such Treaty and to conclude and sign 
the same, transmitting it to the United States in Congress 
assembled for their final Ratification, And by one other 
(commission bearing date the Eleventh day of March One thousand 
Seven hundred & Eighty five did further empower the said 
Ministers Plenipotentiary or a majority of them, by writing 
under the* hands and Seals to appoint such Agent in the said 
Business as they might think proper with Authority under the 
directions and Instructions of the said Ministers to commence & 
prosecute the said Negotiations & Conferences for the said 
Treaty provided that the said Treaty should be signed by the 
said Ministers: And Whereas, We the said John Adams & Thomas 
Jefferson two of the said Ministers Plenipotentiary (the said 
Benjamin Franklin being absent) by writing under the Hand and 
Seal of the said John Adams at London October the fifth, One 
thousand Seven hundred and Eighty five, & of the said Thomas 
Jefferson at Paris October the Eleventh of the same Year, did 
appoint Thomas Barclay, Agent in the Business aforesaid, giving 
him the Powers therein, which by the said second Commission we 
were authorized to give, and the said Thomas Barclay in 
pursuance thereof, hath arranged Articles for a Treaty of Amity 
and Commerce between the United States of America and His 
Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, which Articles written in the 
Arabic Language, confirmed by His said Majesty the Emperor of 
Morocco & seal'd with His Royal Seal, being translated into the 
Language of the said United States of America, together with the 
Attestations thereto annexed are in the following Words, To Wit. 

In the name of Almighty God, 

This is a Treaty of Peace and Friendship established between us 
and the United States of America, which is confirmed, and which 
we have ordered to be written in this Book and sealed with our 
Royal Seal at our Court of Morocco on the twenty fifth day of 
the blessed Month of Shaban, in the Year One thousand two 
hundred, trusting in God it will remain permanent. 

.1.
We declare that both Parties have agreed that this Treaty 
consisting of twenty five Articles shall be inserted in this 
Book and delivered to the Honorable Thomas Barclay, the Agent of 
the United States now at our Court, with whose Approbation it 
has been made and who is duly authorized on their Part, to treat 
with us concerning all the Matters contained therein. 

.2.
If either of the Parties shall be at War with any Nation 
whatever, the other Party shall not take a Commission from the 
Enemy nor fight under their Colors. 

.3.
If either of the Parties shall be at War with any Nation 
whatever and take a Prize belonging to that Nation, and there 
shall be found on board Subjects or Effects belonging to either 
of the Parties, the Subjects shall be set at Liberty and the 
Effects returned to the Owners. And if any Goods belonging to 
any Nation, with whom either of the Parties shall be at War, 
shall be loaded on Vessels belonging to the other Party, they 
shall pass free and unmolested without any attempt being made to 
take or detain them. 

.4.
A Signal or Pass shall be given to all Vessels belonging to both 
Parties, by which they are to be known when they meet at Sea, 
and if the Commander of a Ship of War of either Party shall have 
other Ships under his Convoy, the Declaration of the Commander 
shall alone be sufficient to exempt any of them from 
examination. 

.5.
If either of the Parties shall be at War, and shall meet a 
Vessel at Sea, belonging to the other, it is agreed that if an 
examination is to be made, it shall be done by sending a Boat 
with two or three Men only, and if any Gun shall be Bred and 
injury done without Reason, the offending Party shall make good 
all damages. 

.6.
If any Moor shall bring Citizens of the United States or their 
Effects to His Majesty, the Citizens shall immediately be set at 
Liberty and the Effects restored, and in like Manner, if any 
Moor not a Subject of these Dominions shall make Prize of any of 
the Citizens of America or their Effects and bring them into any 
of the Ports of His Majesty, they shall be immediately released, 
as they will then be considered as under His Majesty's 
Protection. 

.7.
If any Vessel of either Party shall put into a Port of the other 
and have occasion for Provisions or other Supplies, they shall 
be furnished without any interruption or molestation. 

If any Vessel of the United States shall meet with a Disaster at 
Sea and put into one of our Ports to repair, she shall be at 
Liberty to land and reload her cargo, without paying any Duty 
whatever. 

.9.
If any Vessel of the United States shall be cast on Shore on any 
Part of our Coasts, she shall remain at the disposition of the 
Owners and no one shall attempt going near her without their 
Approbation, as she is then considered particularly under our 
Protection; and if any Vessel of the United States shall be 
forced to put into our Ports, by Stress of weather or otherwise, 
she shall not be compelled to land her Cargo, but shall remain 
in tranquillity untill the Commander shall think proper to 
proceed on his Voyage. 

.10.
If any Vessel of either of the Parties shall have an engagement 
with a Vessel belonging to any of the Christian Powers within 
gunshot of the Forts of the other, the Vessel so engaged shall 
be defended and protected as much as possible untill she is in 
safety; And if any American Vessel shall be cast on shore on the 
Coast of Wadnoon (1) or any coast thereabout, the People 
belonging to her shall be protected, and assisted untill by the 
help of God, they shall be sent to their Country. 

.11.
If we shall be at War with any Christian Power and any of our 
Vessels sail from the Ports of the United States, no Vessel 
belonging to the enemy shall follow untill twenty four hours 
after the Departure of our Vessels; and the same Regulation 
shall be observed towards the American Vessels sailing from our 
Ports.-be their enemies Moors or Christians. 

.12.
If any Ship of War belonging to the United States shall put into 
any of our Ports, she shall not be examined on any Pretence 
whatever, even though she should have fugitive Slaves on Board, 
nor shall the Governor or Commander of the Place compel them to 
be brought on Shore on any pretext, nor require any payment for 
them. 

.13.
If a Ship of War of either Party shall put into a Port of the 
other and salute, it shall be returned from the Fort, with an 
equal Number of Guns, not with more or less. 

.14.
The Commerce with the United States shall be on the same footing 
as is the Commerce with Spain or as that with the most favored 
Nation for the time being and their Citizens shall be respected 
and esteemed and have full Liberty to pass and repass our 
Country and Sea Ports whenever they please without interruption. 

.15.
Merchants of both Countries shall employ only such interpreters, 
& such other Persons to assist them in their Business, as they 
shall think proper. No Commander of a Vessel shall transport his 
Cargo on board another Vessel, he shall not be detained in Port, 
longer than he may think proper, and all persons employed in 
loading or unloading Goods or in any other Labor whatever, shall 
be paid at the Customary rates, not more and not less. 

.16.
In case of a War between the Parties, the Prisoners are not to 
be made Slaves, but to be exchanged one for another, Captain for 
Captain, Officer for Officer and one private Man for another; 
and if there shall prove a deficiency on either side, it shall 
be made up by the payment of one hundred Mexican Dollars for 
each Person wanting; And it is agreed that all Prisoners shall 
be exchanged in twelve Months from the Time of their being 
taken, and that this exchange may be effected by a Merchant or 
any other Person authorized by either of the Parties. 

.17.
Merchants shall not be compelled to buy or Sell any kind of 
Goods but such as they shall think proper; and may buy and sell 
all sorts of Merchandise but such as are prohibited to the other 
Christian Nations. 

.18.
All goods shall be weighed and examined before they are sent on 
board, and to avoid all detention of Vessels, no examination 
shall afterwards be made, unless it shall first be proved, that 
contraband Goods have been sent on board, in which Case the 
Persons who took the contraband Goods on board shall be punished 
according to the Usage and Custom of the Country and no other 
Person whatever shall be injured, nor shall the Ship or Cargo 
incur any Penalty or damage whatever. 

.19.
No vessel shall be detained in Port on any presence whatever, 
nor be obliged to take on board any Article without the consent 
of the Commander, who shall be at full Liberty to agree for the 
Freight of any Goods he takes on board. 

.20.
If any of the Citizens of the United States, or any Persons 
under their Protection, shall have any disputes with each other, 
the Consul shall decide between the Parties and whenever the 
Consul shall require any Aid or Assistance from our Government 
to enforce his decisions it shall be immediately granted to him. 

.21.
If a Citizen of the United States should kill or wound a Moor, 
or on the contrary if a Moor shall kill or wound a Citizen of 
the United States, the Law of the Country shall take place and 
equal Justice shall be rendered, the Consul assisting at the 
Tryal, and if any Delinquent shall make his escape, the Consul 
shall not be answerable for him in any manner whatever. 

.22.
If an American Citizen shall die in our Country and no Will 
shall appear, the Consul shall take possession of his Effects, 
and if there shall be no Consul, the Effects shall be deposited 
in the hands of some Person worthy of Trust, untill the Party 
shall appear who has a Right to demand them, but if the Heir to 
the Person deceased be present, the Property shall be delivered 
to him without interruption; and if a Will shall appear, the 
Property shall descend agreeable to that Will, as soon as the 
Consul shall declare the Validity thereof. 

.23.
The Consuls of the United States of America shall reside in any 
Sea Port of our Dominions that they shall think proper; And they 
shall be respected and enjoy all the Privileges which the 
Consuls of any other Nation enjoy, and if any of the Citizens of 
the United States shall contract any Debts or engagements, the 
Consul shall not be in any Manner accountable for them, unless 
he shall have given a Promise in writing for the payment or 
fulfilling thereof, without which promise in Writing no 
Application to him for any redress shall be made. 

.24.
If any differences shall arise by either Party infringing on any 
of the Articles of this Treaty, Peace and Harmony shall remain 
notwithstanding in the fullest force, untill a friendly 
Application shall be made for an Arrangement, and untill that 
Application shall be rejected, no appeal shall be made to Arms. 
And if a War shall break out between the Parties, Nine Months 
shall be granted to all the Subjects of both Parties, to dispose 
of their Effects and retire with their Property. And it is 
further declared that whatever indulgences in Trade or otherwise 
shall be granted to any of the Christian Powers, the Citizens of 
the United States shall be equally entitled to them. 

.25.
This Treaty shall continue in full Force, with the help of God 
for Fifty Years. 

We have delivered this Book into the Hands of the before-
mentioned Thomas Barclay on the first day of the blessed Month 
of Ramadan, in the Year One thousand two hundred. 

I certify that the annex'd is a true Copy of the Translation 
made by Issac Cardoza Nunez, Interpreter at Morocco, of the 
treaty between the Emperor of Morocco and the United States of 
America. 

THOS BARCLAY 

(1) Or Ouadnoun, on the Atlantic coast, about latitude 29  N. 
Back 

Source:
Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of 
America.
Edited by Hunter Miller
Volume 2 
Documents 1-40 : 1776-1818
Washington : Government Printing Office, 1931.

USMARC Cataloging Record  



From:
To:
Date: Fri Oct 26 06:22:45 2001

Message:
ZAHIR SHAH    LONG LIVE 
    THE KING! 
 
  

From: Simon
To: Ton
Date: Fri Oct 26 06:11:14 2001

Message:
America is not the only country in the 
world with a nuclear capability. Iraq possesses nuclear 
capability. The other scenario, which is infinitely more 
terrifying is that of the suitcase bomb. 
                        The suitcase bomb is a nuclear bomb 
whose componenet parts can be stored in a suitcase. Two mombs on 
other side of a city would be enough to wipe out it & its 
cicilians. No DEW system, no chance to shoot down an incoming, & 
no knowledge as to the perpetrator. And out of quite a few 
moslems in America, I'm sure that a small number would be 
willing & able to commit such an act. Do you really think it is 
worth using a bomb, when the possibility of such retaliation 
exists?
                         If you feel it is a numbers game, does 
that entitle the citizens of Vietnam to kill one million 
Americans? According to your logic, they would be fully 
justified in doing so.
                         Finally, the stoning of women in Iran 
is barbarous & a heinous affront to humanity. But, if you read 
tha article fully, you see that it is the leaders who order 
this. They do it in the name of Islam. But, the Qu'ran does not 
mention stoning as a punishment. Mohamed, its main prophet, 
worked to reduce stoning, & tried to outlaw it altogether. This 
is another example of a religion being hijacked & misinterpreted.
                         Islam is a progressive religion. It is 
aggresive because it seeks new converts. It does not advocate 
the death of non-believers. Non-believers should be converted, 
not destroyed. This is similar to early christian missionaries. 
The veil that the women wear, is because like the christian 
religion, Islam forbids adultery. But it tries to prevent the 
temptation being there in the first place by ordering the 
women's face to be partially covered up. How much is covered up 
is the women's choice, theoretically. It is usually decided by 
her father or husband. Whether this is a criticism of 
patriarchal societies & their inherent sexism is another matter.

From: Missin'
To: All
Date: Fri Oct 26 08:30:36 2001

Message:
Simon, Islam forbids many things that the Taliban and Al Quaeda 
have done as well.  The biggest problem is that in the Middle 
Eastern countries, you have 2 classes of people.  The very 
wealthy, and the poor.  There is NO opportunity for the poor to 
gain either education (even of the Koran) or to raise their 
standard of living.  What the majority know of the Koran is what 
they've been taught by whoever was willing to 
teach...unfortunately, mostly by the Fundamentalists.  And, 
teaching Christianity in some of those areas run by the 
Fundamentalist groups is punishable by death...not too 
progressive in my book.

John, My comment regarding Libertarians VS Liberals was in 
response to some of the more clueless remarks made by the 
redneck faction...they seem to think they are the same thing.  I 
am in the same transition as you now...I really like the 
Libertarian platform...especially after just reading Atlas 
Shrugged.

I have NO sympathy for terrorist groups anywhere.  Not even 
here.  Timothy McVeigh got what he deserved...actually he got 
off too light.  And, the hatred I see spewed out on this board 
is by people who hold the exact same opinions that HE did.  I 
want terrorism wiped off the face of the earth...and I'd re-up 
in a heartbeat, if I weren't too old to do so.  The difference 
is...I KNOW who the enemy is...and I have no desire to kill 
innocents...because I'm better than the enemy.

From: killumall
To:
Subject: PEACE
Date: Fri Oct 26 09:09:36 2001

Message:
"Only light can stamp out darkness"---yes, the light from a 100 
megaton can remove all darkness from the shithole of the earth, 
afghanistan, and clean the world of the breathing pieces of 
islamic dog shit that inhabit it. Even if some of them 
are "innocent", what fucking good are they? All they contribute 
to mankind is another hand out for American food--keep dropping 
it on the minefields, fellows! HAHAHA--And if osama 
binsuckingadogsdick doesn`t choke to death on doggie sperm, his 
son should be injected with pig`s blood on t.v. and sent to 
Hell,while osalamisucker watches---HAIL TO THE GREAT STUD FROM 
THE WEST, GEORGE BUSH, AND FUCK ALLAH!!

From:
To: killumall
Subject: 'peace'
Date: Fri Oct 26 11:21:48 2001

Message:
You have just demonstrated that you are in the same league as 
bin Laden & his cohorts...you are at the same level (or below?)

From: orazio
To: pace
Subject: pace
Date: Fri Oct 26 12:18:26 2001

Message:
fate l'amore,no la guerra...

From: John
To: Missin'
Subject: Libertarians
Date: Fri Oct 26 11:25:20 2001

Message:
RE:  John, My comment regarding Libertarians VS Liberals was in 
response to some of the more clueless remarks made by the 
redneck faction...they seem to think they are the same thing.  I 
am in the same transition as you now...I really like the 
Libertarian platform...especially after just reading Atlas 
Shrugged.

*****

I realized that only after I reread your posting, post my 
response.  :-)

*****

Like you, I suspect the majority of posters here have education 
deficiencies.  In actuality that's not the sole problem.  All 
the knowledge needed to come to an informed position is 
available right on their TV sets.  Fox News & CNN broadcast 24 
hours a day.  CNN's coverage has greater international & 
historical coverage, though (still) somewhat slanted with a 
liberal bias.  So folks you don't have to read a book or even 
the paper to get up to speed.  Just tune-in to knowledge instead 
of the Cartoon Channel or Survivor.

John
E pluribus Unum

PS - Good stuff Ayn Rand.  Look for "The Ayn Rand Lexicon"  It 
brings together all key ideas of her philosophy of Objectivism.

From: www.sasha@online.ru
To: you
Subject: anthack
Date: Fri Oct 26 12:55:01 2001

Message:
Kill taleban

From: Justice USA
To: Dogs of War
Subject: Assama Ladin Dying Cancer Has the NUKES
Date:

Message:
I was listening late last night to a radio station here in NYC 
called WEST OF THE ROCKIES and there was some SERIOUS talk about 
Assami Bin Laden being terminally ill with cancer and his 
kidneys failing.  It was also stated that he now OWNS and Has 
Access to NUCLEAR WEAPONS!  This post is not a joke.  PLEASE 
Eagle Eye, Florida Joe, Radio Europe, etc. see if this is all 
accurate.  There is supposed to be a lo

From: Justice USA
To: Dogs of War
Subject: Assama Ladin Dying Cancer Has the NUKES
Date: Fri Oct 26 13:10:50 2001

Message:
I was listening late last night to a radio station here in NYC 
called WEST OF THE ROCKIES and there was some SERIOUS talk about 
Assami Bin Laden being terminally ill with cancer and his 
kidneys failing.  It was also stated that he now OWNS and Has 
Access to NUCLEAR WEAPONS!  This post is not a joke.  PLEASE 
Eagle Eye, Florida Joe, Radio Europe, etc. see if this is all 
accurate.  There is supposed to be a lot of this being broadcast 
from the british channels as well.  I could not sleep the whole 
fucken night thinking about this shit.  We need to just DROP THE 
FUCKEN BOMB THIS MINUTE GODDAMMIT!!!!!  P.S.  Johnny, we hardley 
new ye, didnt Betty Boop and others distinctly say to can it 
with the PLERUBIS bit.  Good Lord Man!  You are our little 
problem child on the board.  Peace was good in the sixties, but 
this is a different world now.  Over and Out.  People let's 
reserach this shit on the internet now and see what we can come 
up with. Once again, this was a SERIOUS talk show early this 
morning at the WEST OF THE ROCKIES show and there have been 
reports of Laden dying of cancer and having the nukes now.  
Probably wants to die with a smile on his face.  Son of a bitch!

From: Betty Boop
To: Bob the Slob and Killumall
Subject: ASSHOLES!!!!
Date: Fri Oct 26 13:19:50 2001

Message:
Take your tree hugging bullshit elsewhere.  You should be 
OUTRAGED at what has happened.  Lick my asshole you dumb 
peaceniks.  God, what a bunch of tree hugging, pablum eating, 
candy assed jerk offs you are.  Why dont you say something in 
deense of AMERICA?  Go to hell.  You are a load that your mother 
should have swallowed.  The best part of you ran down your 
mother's leg. Now, I am going to find out about this Bastard 
Laden dying of cancer.  God, I would hope so.  But the fact that 
this degenerate now owns nukes, means we must ACT SWIFTLY to 
kill off Afghanistan.  A CIVILIAN FOR A CIVILIAN I SAY.  A MAN 
FOR A MAN.  A WOMAN FOR OUR WOMAN AND A CHILD FOR OUR CHILD THAT 
HAS DIED.  

From: John
To: Justice USA
Date: Fri Oct 26 14:09:55 2001

Message:
RE:  P.S.  Johnny, we hardley new ye, didnt Betty Boop and 
others distinctly say to can it with the PLERUBIS bit.  Good 
Lord Man!  You are our little problem child on the board.  Peace 
was good in the sixties, but this is a different world now.

****

Do you research "anything" before you open your mouth?  Go up on 
this board and read my opinions.  Then I'll accept your apology.

Beyond all that - Put some trust in our elected team to handle 
this in the appropriate manner.  If utilizing mass destruction 
means is required they will make the decision.  Did you vote for 
George Bush?  Then allow he and his "A Team" to fight the war.

While you're up there reading my postings find what I wrote with 
regard to E pluribus unum and it's important meaning to this 
nation.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Missin'
To: All
Subject: Ignorance
Date: Fri Oct 26 14:13:45 2001

Message:
Thanks John, I'm reading "We The Living" now, and even though I 
don't agree with everything she does (God, primarily) I admire 
her mind.  I'll be sure to look for a copy of "Lexicon".

You know, what you said just highlights what I meant by 
ignorance.  The Muslims that we see dancing in the streets on 
Sept 11th are uneducated too.  The only thing they know of Islam 
is what they've been told by the Extremists who actively seek to 
form their armies from the uneducated and the criminally 
insane.  In defense of the ignorant in Afghanistan...the only 
access they've had to any form of knowledge is what has been 
distributed by the Taliban and bin Laden.  The ignorant 
here...as you said, have access to all the news and knowledge 
that they want...so who of the ignorant on this board is not 
WORSE than the uneducated in the Middle East?  Because they are 
not only ignorant...but lazy.

And calling those of us who are capable and willing of gathering 
enough knowledge to have informed opinions treehuggers (and 
worse) only emphasises your ignorance. (Betty, et al)  If your 
mind were even fractionally open you'd see that John and Simon 
and I are every bit as outraged and angry as you are.  And, that 
we want the Taliban killed too.  I wish I had the opportunity to 
place a few bullets myself...that's how angry I am.  
Unfortunately, I'm too old now for the Army to take me back.

As far as whether or not bin Laden has nukes or not...it makes 
no difference.  It's fairly certain that Hussein does...and who 
do you think has been helping with this jihad against us?  Only 
three countries in the world have the chemical capabilities to 
treat the anthrax in the manner that was used in the anthrax 
sent to Daschle's office...us, Russia...and?  You got 
it...Iraq.  Iraq wants us in a world war with ALL the Muslim 
nations against us...and if people like you got your way, that's 
exactly what will happen.  I don't think you'd like the outcome 
of a full scale nuclear war...but, you may yet get your wish.  
All it will take is for US to drop the first nuke.

A better chance will be had if we destroy the Taliban, help 
Afghanistan get a government in place that will allow education 
of the repressed, and grant even the poorest the ability to gain 
recognition and reward based on each man's (or woman's) 
ability.  In short...Capitalism and Democracy.  

But, if you'd rather just nuke 'em...Well, I'd counsel you to 
get right with YOUR God whoever that might be.  By the way, you 
DO realize that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the 
SAME God, don't you?

From: John
To: Missin'
Subject: BRAVO
Date: Fri Oct 26 14:39:22 2001

Message:
You have succinctly articulated the opinion with perfection.  
Bravo.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Missin'
To: John
Subject: Thank You.
Date: Fri Oct 26 14:52:09 2001

Message:

From: Missin'
To: John
Subject: Thank You.
Date: Fri Oct 26 14:52:09 2001

Message:
Your opinion (being that of an intelligent and rational 
American) means a great deal to me, Thank You.  I wish there was 
a way to invite you to another board that I 
frequent...unfortunately, there is NO way I could post a link 
here...although, I don't believe the brutish ones here would 
find a very warm welcome among my crowd...and, I don't think 
they'd like to go where they would have no support from their 
fellow mobsters.  If you know of a way that I can issue you a 
personal invitation to that board, let me know.

And, I'm going to join you in something...because I also believe.
E pluribus unum

From: Simon
To: John
Date: Fri Oct 26 17:08:17 2001

Message:
Question: Who is Ayn Rand, & what is her 
philosophy(Excuse my ignorance)?

From: Simon
To: Missin
Date: Fri Oct 26 17:14:26 2001

Message:
Islam as a religion does not condone 
the murder of missionaries preaching other religions. The 
fundamentalists do. The violent fundamentalists are responsible 
for our present situation.
                          The Taleban is an organization which 
has one sole priority: keeping its power. Their hijacking of the 
Islamic religion is an unfortunate consequence which has left a 
very unpleasant taste in people's mouths.

From: Missin'
To: Simon
Subject: May I?
Date: Fri Oct 26 17:19:22 2001

Message:
Hi Simon,
I just happened to be here at the moment, and I'd like to 
address your question, if you don't mind.

Ayn Rand is the author of several fine books...John is even more 
familiar with them than me...but, she has written "The 
Fountainhead", "Atlas Shrugged", "We The Living", and the 
Lexicon that John referred to (I am not familiar with that one).

Her belief is that one of the great joys of life is in the work 
we choose to do.  If we build something, or produce something, 
or teach something...if we are productive.  The book "Atlas 
Shrugged" depicted how a nation of producers has been harnessed 
and enslaved by the government's Social Agenda.  How America 
could go from a Capitalist Society where people are rewarded for 
their accomplishments to a Socialist Society, where they are 
punished for those same accomplishments by being taxed, 
tariffed, and otherwise oppressed by government policies and 
resolutions.  A grand example of what she speaks of in our day 
and age is the treatment that Bill Gates has endured.  In her 
book, all of the producers unite and withdraw themselves from 
society in order to cause the Socialist Agenda to collapse upon 
itself...when you only have people on welfare and disability, 
and the people who actually produce goods and jobs 
dissappear...who will feed the nation?  It's an incredible book, 
I think you'd enjoy it.

From: Missin'
To: Simon
Subject: Agreed
Date: Fri Oct 26 17:28:38 2001

Message:
Simon,
You and I are in perfect agreement about that.  In what the 
Taliban and bin Laden teach, there is only a smattering of the 
most atrocious passages of the Koran...it's a warped 
representation.  Educated Muslims cannot speak of the TRUE Islam 
beliefs or they are put to death...and their widows buried alive 
in mass graves by organizations such as the Taliban.

From: Simon
To: Missin'
Subject: Thank you
Date: Fri Oct 26 18:27:19 2001

Message:
Thanks for telling me about the book. 
I wasn't aware of the the final fact you mention. Horrific.

From: EagleEye
To: Missin, Simon, John
Subject: Bombed Innocents & Us mobsters
Date: Fri Oct 26 17:55:05 2001

Message:
Well, guess today just shot your "innocent" civi concerns all to 
hell eh?

Those innocent - [alledged] Taliban hating civi's your so 
concerned about being killed, just tipped off the taliban to the 
presence of Abdul Haq.  That was his death sentence - poor 
bastard, hope he got it quick and decent, doubtful.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/26/ret.taliban.a
rrests/index.html

Maddrassas should be next military targets.  They can burn our 
flag off the left over maypalm smoldering in the kitty litter 
box they call home.

Still in search of those "missin'" peaceful muslims - aint seen 
many lately.  Oh ive seen some scared shitless ones, Ive heard 
em too, but havent seen peaceful - U.S. HATE FREE Muslims yet - 
outside of USA.

"the brutish ones here would 
find a very warm welcome among my crowd...and, I don't think 
they'd like to go where they would have no support from their 
fellow mobsters. "

Who needs a warm welcome?  Warm isnt always right, and with this 
conflict, your self professed "enlightenment" alone is not going 
to defeat this problem.  These fucks dont wanna be enlightened - 
they wanna be martyred.  Its their way or death.  You think your 
gonna convert them to your supposed PEACEFUL version of ISLAM.  
The purported peaceful Muslims sure as hell appear to be in the 
MINORITY[practically non existant] - if we look strictly at the 
TV, web news et al as you suggest.  Havent seen more than 1 
muslim on idiot box at a time that was professed peaceful, but 
scores that were Anti US, or burning flags and toting Ussama Bin 
Ladens Poster as their hero.  I wanna see the proof of your good 
MUSLIMS existance before I beleive your bullshit.  These fucked 
up extremists views appear too vaslty accepted in your fucked up 
the Koran religion.  Your words as evidence are shit - sick of 
hearing em - time for action MF!


Where's the peacefull rallies around the world with "Death to U-
fucking-ssama" ?????  Aint gonna be none .... why?  Cuz all they 
know is deaath to Infadels and Jews.  You call it ignorance - I 
call it faith.  If there's sooooo many good one's - why are they 
kickin the ass of the living abortions that are 
alledgedly "hijacking" their religion.  You fucks cant seem to 
get enough of that hijacking shit now can you.

Is the shit about Jews being evil and infadels needing to be 
eradicated in the Koran or is it not?  Show me the passage in 
the Ko-fucking Ran that says love thy Jewish neigbor like 
thyself - or ANYTHING similiar specifically towards JEWS.



From: EagleEye
To: anyone who gives a flying F***
Subject: OBL and nukes
Date: Fri Oct 26 18:39:06 2001

Message:
Does bin Laden have nukes .....? Sorta.

Apparently CNN and others report he has secured with the help of 
loyal Taliban supporting es - PAKISTANI scientists from the Paki 
Nuclear programs, the needed material to make small NUKES.  They 
also detailed how they traded $10 million + worth of 
OPIUM/Heroin to Chechens [sp? again] and Russian Mafia for some 
too.  Or maybe the Paki scientist brokered the deal with the 
Chechens/Russian mafia.  Bottom line we know he has some shit!

They talked about suitcase bombs ....where two placed on the 
outskirts of a major city would level it.

You draw your own conclusions from that whether he and his 
bretheren in the Taliban should be eradicated at all costs - 
mushroom cloud methods included.

Lets be pragmatists here people - enlightened muslims included.  
Would we rather see a nuke go off in the Kittly Litter box that 
is Afghanistan or London, or Hamburg or Dallas TX 
or ....Jereusalem?  

What would we lose in afghanistan?  A bunch ot taliban 
supporting ignorant wastes of oxygen - too stupid to run from 
them, away form the fighting, and a bunch of boulders and sand - 
and end the threat of bin Laden. 

[end Game martyr lovers]

From: Airborne Ranger
To: All
Subject: Cowards
Date: Fri Oct 26 19:06:41 2001

Message:
To All,
    The Taliban has now murdered a ambassodor of peace Hoc.  
They have essentially killed the man with the white flag.  This 
is in keeping with their cowardly ways.  They beat up women and 
children and kill those who can't fight back.  As soon as those 
who can fight back confront them they run to the caves to hide.  
They said as soon as we set foot in their country with ground 
troops they would kill us.  Well 100 Rangers landed and tokk the 
airport and all your documents as well as blew up guns and 
ammo.  And not one soldier had a hair on his head hurt.  Where 
were the mighty Taliban soldiers. running for their lives like 
the cowards they are.  No the Taliban are not warriors but 
students that abuse their own people like cattle.  If I were the 
Talibvan I would be very worried.  We do not shoot the man with 
the white flag, we follow the Geneva convention , we do not kill 
women and children, and we are still going to destroy you and 
your regime.  Enjoy the time you have left being thugs becasue 
you will pay with your lives.  This is not the USA against the 
Taliban it is the whole world.  You are already dead and do not 
have enought inteeligence to fall down.  Very soon you will 
cease to exsisit and no one will have to listen to your 
Pakistany Ambassodor, that sounds like he has never been to a 
grade school much less an institution of higher learning.

    I spent some time in the US Army and I only wish I was 
younger so I could fight you.  

From: EagleEye
To: Martyr em All
Subject: Safe Muzlims via PC Americans
Date: Fri Oct 26 19:09:21 2001

Message:
"..... "We will utilize all of our forces and all of the types 
of warfare that we have to bring to bear, with the exception of 
weapons of mass destruction," Stufflebeem said. ......"

I still have faith too missin'

From: Missin'
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: Common Ground
Date: Fri Oct 26 18:46:35 2001

Message:
Hello Eagle Eye,
I wondered when you'd get around to me.

First of all, let me agree with you...I hope Haj and the two 
with him were not tortured before they were executed.  I'm sure 
he knew the risks of attempting to strengthen an anti-Taliban 
coalition in Afghanistan...but thought the risks were worth the 
potential reward.  On the surface, it appears his mission was a 
failure...but only he knows for sure...and he can't tell us if 
anything good came of it.  What I object to is the way you want 
to lump all of Afghanistan in with the Taliban.  Perhaps the 
ones who turned him in WERE sympathizers of Taliban...or maybe 
they were just starving to death and did it for food.  I doubt 
the Taliban is going to tell us that...don't you?

I saw a family of peaceful Muslims at the State Fair last 
weekend...I was amazed at their courage.  Peaceful Muslims 
aren't news, Eagle Eye...you know that.  The media is only going 
to show the ones that are guaranteed to piss you off.  And, you 
don't think that the President/Ruler of Pakistan is one of 
those?  The guy who is arresting the demonstrators in his own 
country for anti-American sentiment?  Maybe fear is a 
factor...but, I'd definitely call the man peace-loving.  And, 
what about Haj and the rest of the Northern Alliance?  Give it a 
rest, the scum you are referring to is no bigger a percentage of 
the Muslim population as the skinheads and other white 
supremacist groups are of the American population.

And, It's not MY PEACEFUL ISLAM...I'm a country girl in the deep 
south who's heritage is a mix of a bunch of different 
nationalities...including what I got from my full blood Cherokee 
grandmother.  I don't read the Koran...although I've read ABOUT 
it a lot lately.  I read the Bible.  Personally, I think the 
Muslim faith is wrong...but, this is America...I believe people 
ought to have a choice of religion...as long as that religion 
isn't used as a shield for terrorism.  bin Laden is a sick 
individual who has one talent...organizing other sick 
individuals.  It's not about religion...it's about a sick 
individual who craves power and attention and who has convinced 
others to follow him.  He and his are on my hit list...I'll 
dance in the streets they day he dies.  But, that doesn't mean 
that the Afghanistani people should die...they had nothing to do 
with his using their country to hide in.

In answer to your question about the peaceful rallies with 
people shouting "Death to bin Laden"?  I think the answer is 
that peaceful people don't hold rallies calling for anyone's 
death.  At least, I don't.  I think there have been many rallies 
and tributes world-wide in support of us at this time...in 
sympathy for our loss.  Those have touched me greatly.

From what I understand of the Koran, they believe they are the 
enlightened ones and that those of us who don't believe Mohammed 
(sp) was a prophet sent by God AFTER Christ will lose.  That's 
why I don't believe it.  In the New Covenant when Christ came, 
God promised that he'd write his law on our hearts (giving each 
of us a piece of the Holy Spirit to guide and teach us).  So, 
why would he have sent another prophet?  But, I'll grant them 
their opinion...until they try to enforce it with 
violence...then I want to see 'em die.  And, God will hopefully 
forgive me for wishing that day were here.

But, all three religions stem from the same God.  Amazing, huh?

From: Missin'
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: bin Laden Nukes
Date: Fri Oct 26 19:59:29 2001

Message:
Eagle Eye,
If he were going to use whatever nukes he may have in Dallas or 
Jerusalem...what makes you think we'd get rid of them by nuking 
Afghanistan?  You don't think he'd have already moved them to 
whereever he wants to make an impact?

From: Justice
To: All
Subject: Religion and War
Date: Fri Oct 26 20:08:58 2001

Message:
Religion breeds hate in some form or 
other.  Everyone thinks their religion is the best and scorns 
anyone else who doesn't think so thus breeding hate.  My 
girlfriend's mom preaches Christianity and curses her for living 
with me.  That is hate.  The Taliban justify killings because 
Allah wills them to do it.  That is hate.  Israelis vs. 
Palestinians.  A war created by different religious beliefs.  A 
war of hate.  No one knows if God or Allah or whatever exists.  
For all we know, the Bible could be a fiction story book.  No 
one has any proof that there is an all knowing entity in the 
universe.  Yet people fight everday for someone that they have 
never met.  Families are torn apart because of someone they have 
never met.  Lives are given for someone they have never met.  
Governments are ruled and principled by a fictitious being.  
History has been written and decided by a book that could be 
classified the same way we classify Greek mythology.  I am not 
saying that all religion is bad and the statement above is just 
my opinion and I believe to each his/her own.  It just seems to 
me that many people screw it up for the few.  I do myself have a 
religion.  It is a religion of free will.

From: Spy
To:
Subject: "Do onto to others, before they do onto you"
Date: Fri Oct 26 20:25:21 2001

Message:
We need to MASH these martyerfuckers at a quicker pace !!!

From: Missin'
To: Justice
Subject: Religion
Date: Fri Oct 26 20:37:01 2001

Message:
Hi Justice,
Everyone has their own opinion...and in this country we are ALL 
entitled to them.  My opinion is that it isn't the religion 
itself that creates the war...it's people who try to use 
religion as an excuse to make whatever war they want to make.

Kind of like "guns don't kill people"..."people kill people"  
Everyone would like to blame all violence and hatred on 
something other than their own hearts...but, the truth is...If 
you hate, it's all on you...so be a man (or woman) and admit it.

From: EagleEye
To: fellow UK Patriots ......
Subject: Some punk ass bitch from "BLUE"
Date: Fri Oct 26 21:23:26 2001

Message:
Never heard their music, nor will I nor will anyone in my 
family, bit WHo the Fuck is this POS?

Is this shit for brains fuckker - who was actually in NY city 
making his rectal cavity penetration video during the attacks, 
and witnessed them - popular over there?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001371124,00.html

He wants to donate his royalties to say sorry - BFD fukker - you 
aint gonna get none.  wtf is going to buy your shit now. eminem 
wannabe a-hole felching zero.

From: Justice
To: Missin'
Subject: Religion
Date: Fri Oct 26 22:29:21 2001

Message:
I totally agree.  I just get pissed when people use it to make 
excuses for the way they live and fight such as the Taliban, 
Osama, Israel, KKK, Jerusalem, etc.  It all comes down to hate.  
I just see so many families and wars fought because of it and 
they think it is what "God" or whomever wants them to do.  I 
have seen parents disown their own kids just because the kids 
don't believe what they do.  It is just downright stupid.  You 
only live one life.  Why not enjoy that life and do what makes 
you happy.  If it is religion that makes you happy, so be it.  
As long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  I don't 
like it though when people try to judge you by what makes you 
happy if it doesn't go along with how they live.
Just my 2 cents.

From: Missin'
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: Dumb 18 year old
Date: Fri Oct 26 22:34:08 2001

Message:
The kid showed a complete and utter lack of respect and 
taste...so what else is new for 18 year olds...especially 18 
year olds with money to burn from hit records?  I'm glad the 
record label called him on the carpet and laid down the law to 
him...pay with your royalties, or you're gone.  Seems like a 
just penalty for being stupid.

Two blocks from me, a college student had the audacity to get up 
and applaud on Sept. 11th as the TV showed the towers 
crumbling...he was beaten by the rest of the class and last I 
heard was in the hospital in critical condition.  I thought that 
was just punishment too.  And, when he recovers I hope the dean 
expels him.

From: Missin'
To: Justice
Subject: Agreed
Date: Fri Oct 26 22:46:50 2001

Message:
Hi Again Justice,

As a Christian, I accept fully that the right to judge belongs 
to ONE...and it's not me.  Fundamentalist Christians like Jerry 
Falwell give us all a bad name when he gets on TV and says that 
we deserved the attack because we allow a woman to have a choice 
of options that include abortion, and because we allow gays the 
same rights as anyone else.

This is just another example of why it's so dangerous to lump 
everyone of any particular color, creed, race or religion into 
one group and assume that they all have an identical set of 
beliefs.

Anyone who uses religion to oppress, injure, or kill anyone else 
is only using it as an excuse...because they don't want to admit 
that they have ulterior motives.

From: Researcher
To: Muslim Hater
Date: Thu Oct 25 14:48:14 2001

Message:
Actually Snapple is a Jewish invention from New York City. 
Ironic HUH?

From: Spy
To:
Date: Fri Oct 26 23:05:44 2001

Message:
OH OSAMA BIN LADEN 
 YOU SON OF A BITCH 
  MAY YOUR BALLS DEVELOP 
  A 7 YEAR ITCH 
  MAY YOUR PECKER BE TWISTED 
  IN SUCH A MANNER 
  THAT YOUR ASSHOLE WHISTLES 
  THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER 

From: EagleEye
To: Afghani dumb as peasants
Subject: Move your dumb fukkin asses eslewhere
Date: Fri Oct 26 23:08:43 2001

Message:
The bottom line - they hate the US cuz of the Paki relationship, 
cuz the paki's made the Towel-e-bam - and their dumb ass civi 
got off'd [still only in the 100's BTW]

They're all still chillin till the Toweleban changes their 
position on womens rights and education - then the towel-e-ban 
is cool.  This from an "educated" Muslim.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?
story=101721

Now especially - I have no compassion left [as if i had much 
before] for these fukkers - just as I thought - they are there 
waiting for the Towel e ban to protect them, and change a "few" 
minor things - then they are down with their shit.


Simon, John, Missin' - you can keep on selling - surely you have 
sold this crap to yourselves about these Muslims - but I aint 
buying none of their shit - not a single evil-filled-koran 
toting one of their skanky hygeneless asses.

Innocent civi's - kids and women - HA!

From: John
To: Missin' et al
Subject: Short Joke
Date: Fri Oct 26 22:26:59 2001

Message:
I came home to find this joke from an Israeli friend in my box.  
I thought it good enough to share.                            .

****

The Israeli Prime Minister is sitting down with Arafat to try to 
work out an agreement.  The Prime Minister asks if he might 
first tell a story.  Yasser Arafat tells him to go ahead.

"When Moses was in the desert for forty years the Jews got very 
thirsty and Moses asked God for water and there appeared a 
beautiful lake.  The Jews first drank and then bathed 
themselves.  Moses did the same but when he came out of the 
water his clothes were gone.  Moses shouted, "Where are my
clothes? Who took them?" The Jews answered "The Palestinians 
took them."

Arafat quickly and loudly objected, "There were no Palestinians 
at that time!" 

The Prime Minister looked at Arafat and said, "Now we can begin 
to negotiate."


:-)

******

Now, on a more serious note.  I believe that persons not in 
support of our President (who retains an 88% approval factor), 
with regard to his handling of this war may be considered at 
odds with this nations goals.

I have a question:

Do you support George W. Bush?  Do you trust his judgement?  Do 
you trust the judgement of Vice President Dick Cheney?  Do you 
trust the judgement of the appointed Cabinet members?

If your answer is NO - Then it is unnecessary to continue 
reading this board as you are at odds with the nation and 
probably with this boards posters.

If you answered YES - Then you are amongst the majority of this 
nation and (I can only hope) the posters to this board.

Now if you answered YES, then stop screaming for nukes.  Our 
President doesn't want to use nukes.  No one in the Cabinet 
wants to use nukes.  There's only one member of Congress that 
proposes possibly using nukes, U.S. Rep. Steve Buyer.  He 
suggest the use of tactical nuclear weapons to collapse 
mountains upon Laden and al Quaeda within the caves of 
Afghanistan.  These proposed tactical nukes are targeted bombs 
with a very targeted and smaller area of coverage.

I support my President and his policies.  I hope most do also.  
If nukes were the end-all answer to win and end this war and 
protect the citizens of the United States, you and me, our 
families and friends, he'd use them.  There's a 100% chance we 
will be hit by another terrorist attack, so says our 
government.  If nukes would prevent it.  He'd use them.  They 
will not not prevent further attacks.  Nukes would only 
exacerbate the situation and increase the likelihood of further 
attacks by speeding up delivery of attacks by potential cells 
probably right here in my city and yours.

I'm in support of my President.  How about you?

John
E pluribus unum

From: EagleEye
To: Muslim lovers
Subject: ....your deamin unplug the Lennon
Date: Fri Oct 26 23:19:21 2001

Message:
".  And, 
what about Haj and the rest of the Northern Alliance?  Give it a 
rest, the scum you are referring to is no bigger a percentage of 
the Muslim population as the skinheads and other white 
supremacist groups are of the American population."

If I was as anal retentive on detailed factoids as John, [easy 
John ....] Id be able to scorch you on this one.  I have no 
evidence that the Northern Alliance give 2 shits about the US / 
Russians, other than they realize the opportunity we present 
them to regain power.  This weeks ally is next weeks Nuclear 
threat there.  Dont be fooled.  Seen whats up over there in that 
[small little enclave] of Muslims in indonesia?  You do the 
math.  Its fukked up.

"What I object to is the way you want 
to lump all of Afghanistan in with the Taliban.  Perhaps the 
ones who turned him in WERE sympathizers of Taliban...or maybe 
they were just starving to death and did it for food."

As this drags on - you too will eventually see, that afghani 
peasants - all of them - will cost far more American lives than 
those "accidentally" off'd by errant bombs.  Thats what I object 
to.  The gnashing of teeth over people who KNOW the risks - they 
arent new to conflict - they know the freakin score - they dig 
the Towel e ban.  Great - bombs a fukkin way.

"I don't read the Koran...although I've read ABOUT 
it a lot lately.  I read the Bible."

Fair enuff ... you need to understand what they teach in the 
Koran at their Pakistani maddrasses[spelling? - close though]  
Im no Koranic scholar - like Chomsky - made me ill.


From: EagleEye
To: No Nukes Johnboy
Subject: ....alright gawd damn it
Date: Fri Oct 26 23:42:50 2001

Message:
Pragmatically - nukes are out of the question - understood.

Mouth/keyboard overloading my ass on the NUKES issue, yet I 
would not be pissed off if these Middle Eastern fucks were as 
afraid of us NUKING them as we are in tune to the reality of 
these "nothing to lose" goat excriment fermenting Arab/Muslim 
bastards using them against us.

Im so over the polictical correct shit - peasant Muslim afghan 
civi deaths included.  Fuck em all - not another sunrise should 
appear before the eyes of these diseased Muslim Islamic ji-hide 
cowards and O so mama bin Hidin is wasting my precious oxygen.

From: Spy
To:
Subject: "not taking a stand; shows where you stand"
Date: Fri Oct 26 23:57:39 2001

Message:
So why haven't these so called "moderate muslems" taken 
a stand?
Why aren't the leaders of these "moderate countries" 
standing up on a daily basis
and condeming these terrorist groups ?
Why aren't the Islamic religious leaders in the U.S.A. 
standing up on a daily basis
and condeming these terrorist groups ?
Oh no------they just sit on their hands and do nothing 
(unless they are directly
confronted by the media; then they'll say "oh-we are against 
such acts of violence".)
BULLSHIT--I say most of these mod. mus. really admire 
THEIR mister osama dog ladung.  

If you so called moderate leaders are against terrorism, 
then get your asses out there on a daily,
hourly basis and preach to your people that terrorism is 
wrong !!!
 Police your own !!!
Yeah---like I really expect that to happen.

From:
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 00:00:21 2001

Message:
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Out of Many, One

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 00:07:33 2001

Message:
Hi----I'm not here to rain on your parade----but I have a "gut"
feeling somebody's gonna get nuked before this shit is over.
If we get hit first--and they really get us good---that whole 
crazy crowd over there (and here) will be really inspired.
The more they have victories on us--the more their numbers 
will grow. You have to crush these people; for thats all they 
understand.
I sure don't want to see nukes fly----but I also know that 
they're praying they do--in our direction.
I also feel that we (or somebody) is going to have no choice 
but to burn Baghdad up.

P.S. In about the first or second week of this crap,I heard 
Rumsfeld say that nothing (including nukes) was off the 
table.

Interesting times we live in.

From: An American
To: All those who are bitching about the war effort
Subject: Civilian Casualties
Date: Sat Oct 27 00:29:29 2001

Message:
I know that many are bitching about civilian casualties. Allow 
me to enlighten you. In WW2, after an accidental bombing of 
British civilians due to a German crew who lost their way (a 
whole 9 British civilians were killed), Winston Chruchill 
responded by continuously bombing the German and Italian people. 
5 million dies as a result. Has anyone bitched about that? Nope. 
Now, when our own country has suffered over 5,000 civilian 
casualties, certain people decide that retaliation is not 
appropriate? What hypocracy! This country should be more 
outraged than we were in WW2 at the Third Reich as we have been 
attacked by Bin Laden and the Taliban, thus by Afghanistan. The 
only way to ensure our national security is to win this war at 
ALL costs! If we lose, this country is in grave danger! To win, 
we must eliminate the Taliban. That means bombing the cities in 
which they are hiding. if they are in private homes, the private 
homes must be struck. The military objective must not be 
secondary to any political situation. Civilian casualities are a 
political situation and their limitaions must not limit the war 
effort in any way, shape, or form

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: Answer to question
Date: Sat Oct 27 00:17:23 2001

Message:
Mr. Spy,

You haven't heard these so called "moderate muslems" stand up on 
a daily basis and condem these terrorist groups because of 
fear.  The rulers of these kingdoms such as Saudi Arabia for 
instance, have been tormented by Usama, al Quaeda and Egypts 
Islamic Jihad for decades.

Usama was exiled from Saudi Arabia and later by Egypt.  Usama is 
a man without a country.  Usama's stated goal has been the 
overthrow of the Infidel siding Kingdoms like Saudi Arabia, 
Kuwait, Oman, The United Arab Emirates, and the democratic 
states of Egypt and Jordan.  The rulers of these nations do not 
impliment/enforce compliance of the strict Fundamental 
interpretation of the Koran as Usama and the Taliban does.

Usama's stated goal is to overthrow these governments and 
impliment his form of the Koran's interpretation.

They are plain scared.  Usama is a hero to many of the poor 
within these nation.  They will stand up, but not until we, the 
United States, show significant progress dismantling, destroying 
these powerful and power hungry terrorists groups.

From the perspective of the Saudi's, I don't blame them much, 
considering we failed to take out Saddam and topple his rule 
over Iraq during the Gulf War.  Iraq is and has been a great 
threat to Saudi Arabia, and he has similiar eye on the rest of 
the Middle East.

This is war will take a long long time.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 00:56:06 2001

Message:
There's no room for fear at this time. And I don't nor can buy 
into that theory across the board.
I agree fear may play a role with some, but I also believe 
some are "secretly" rooting for the {:@(
And I get a feeling his billionaire mom just might be still 
sending him "care" packages.
I don't trust these people. 

From: John
To: Spy
Subject: A long war, so not to have a short one.
Date: Sat Oct 27 00:55:19 2001

Message:
I fear you may be correct.  I'm thinking now, maybe we need to 
hope for a long war.  Long means ground and tactical, NOT 
nuclear.  What a sick thought.  A long war sought so as not to 
have short one.

John
E...

From: J
To: S
Date: Sat Oct 27 01:08:12 2001

Message:
You are correct.  It's far from across the board.  That's why we 
are told to prepare for long long war ahead.  We have still to 
fully identify our enemies.  Or should I better state it - those 
who define us as enemy.

J
E...

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 01:13:48 2001

Message:
Now that's a thought.  We must destroy them, not because they 
are "our" enemy, but because they identify us as their enemy.

Cya morrow,

J
E...

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 01:16:09 2001

Message:
If the "big shit" does happen---the safest place to be will be 
on a Trident.

From: Ashraf
To: All
Date: Sat Oct 27 01:04:25 2001

Message:
Peace..

WE all want it, but we should all work for it. Most of the 
messages here dont really help. Think, then speak words that may 
be read, and consequently, comprehended. A 5 year old can also 
type the favourite 4 lettered word on this board.
 
Get your point across, without swearing. It is healthier. May be 
then, you will learn to have self-respect and tolerance. 

Think peacefully..

Peace..

Salam..
 

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: HeadlineNews:SpecialEdition
Date: Sat Oct 27 01:57:57 2001

Message:
When God Needs A Gun

The Taliban of Afghanistan
------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Hans Zomer
April, 1998
OneWorld Europe, Islamabad 
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The war in Afghanistan has produced a lot of shocking 
images over the last 19 years. But neither the invasion of the 
country by the Soviet Union, nor the oppressive nature of the 
Communist Khalq regime that preceded it, or the atrocities 
of former Mujahideen groups, have received as much 
international attention as the country's latest rulers, known 
as the "Taliban" movement. 

Ever since the Taliban's capture of the major cities of 
Kandahar and Herat, western media have reported on the 
strange ways of this Islamic movement, which so neatly 
seems to fit the image of Aghanistan: wild, bearded and 
heavily armed tribesmen from the deserts and seemingly 
from another age altogether. 

But, as often, the real picture is more complicated. This 
article is an attempt to clarify.  

Russian-made T-62 tanks in a Kabul street, 1995. They are 
now widely used by the warring factions; these are manned 
by Taliban fighters.
Photo   Amnesty / Steve Dupont
1. Introduction to Afghanistan
Afghanistan has always been a country with a difference. 
One of the few places in Asia to have escaped colonialism, 
it's neither part of the Middle East, Central Asia or South 
Asia. It has always been a cross roads of cultures, a place 
for traders to meet on their way to distant shores. But when 
the ancient Silk Route was replaced by sea travel, 
Afghanistan became a still back water, isolated from the 
world and prey to the competing world powers. The failure of 
both Britain and Russia to win the "Great Game" left 
Afghanistan a "no man's land" of fierce tribals to separate 
the great powers' colonies. 

Far from homogenous, Afghanistan is a complicated 
mixture of peoples, who differ from each other by language, 
ethnicity, religion and economic activity, while mountains 
and deserts add to the divisions. 

2. Wars and politics
These divisions came to the fore when the Islamic 
resistance succeeded in throwing out the Soviet forces 
(1989) and their successor communist government (1992). 
Rather than bringing peace, the Mujahideen's victory thrust 
the country into a complicated civil war where tribal, 
religious and ethnic differences were used by various 
warlords in their efforts at gaining control. The country, 
which had been a unit since independence in 1919, fell 
apart. 

Although ethnic, religious and linguistic differences were 
widely seen as the cause for division, they merely reflect the 
crisis of legitimacy of the Afghan state. Based on keeping a 
few strategic elites happy, state authority had always been 
feeble. Successive governments had tried to "modernise" 
the country, often steam- rolling over traditional patterns of 
social organisation. While dissent and resentment were 
being mobilised, there was no outlet for dissatisfaction 
through the political system. To many, violence seemed the 
only option. 

Used to war, the young people of Afghanistan quickly 
followed former Mujahideen leaders as diverse as Tajik 
commanders (Massoud and Rabbani), Pathan islamists 
(Hekmatyar) and other fundamentalists (Sayyaf, Gailani, 
Mojadiddi) under various slogans - ethnic, religious or other. 
Years of bloody fighting followed, until in 1994 a new force 
emerged that seemed to be able to bring stability to the 
war-torn country: the "Taliban" movement. 

3. The Taliban
Soon after their arrival on the political/military scene, the 
Taliban ("religious students") movement captured large 
parts of the country with astonishing ease. It seemed the 
war-weary population welcomed this opportunity of ending 
the fighting and bringing the country back to unity under an 
Islam-inspired government. 

However, as time went on, resistance against the Taliban's 
restrictive interpretation of Islam grew. Especially after their 
capture of Kabul (September 1996) news about the new 
ruler's intimidating and oppressive behaviour, mainly 
directed against women, began to appear. 

4. Trying to understand the Taliban
"Talibs" are religious students, who study in "madrasses" or 
religious schools. In contrast, the Taliban movement is a 
heterogenous grouping of fighters, mullahs, unemployed 
and religious fanatics, many of whom never set foot in a 
madras. 

There are three factors of importance when looking at the 
Taliban movement: its links with Pakistan, its ethnic 
make-up and its ideology. 

Links with Pakistan:
The origin of the Taliban movement lies in the Jihad against 
the Soviet Union and in the refugee camps in Pakistan. Most 
of the fighters in the movement are too young to have 
actively fought against the Russians. Rather, they grew up in 
the refugee camps outside Afghanistan, where they saw the 
success and later factionalism of the Mujahideen 
movement. 

The refugee population in Pakistan has always made use of 
the porous border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Even 
after the fall of the Najibullah government, many chose to 
stay in the refugee camps and go on occasional trips to 
Afghanistan, for business or family visits. For many, 
Pakistan had become home. 

Ethnicity:
Most of the Taliban are Pathans (also called Pashtuns). The 
Pathans are one of the largest ethnic groups in Pakistan 
and certainly the biggest and most influential group in 
Afghanistan. For them, the border between the two countries 
has never been of great significance. However, their 
Pashtun origins most certainly are. The traditional culture of 
the Pathans is very harsh and warrior-like. Honour goes 
above almost everything else. For this reason, women are 
confined to their husband's house and many families are 
involved in bloody feuds. 

This proud but restrictive culture is completely alien to some 
of the other ethnic groups in Afghanistan. Hence the strong 
resistance against some of the Taliban's edicts. 

Ideology:
The ideology of the Taliban movement is a strange mixture 
of rural Pashtun values, religious fundamentalism and 
totalitarian political thinking. 

The Taliban are traditionalists in the sense that they 
advocate village values, but village values "as interpreted by 
refugee camp dwellers or madrassa students most of 
whom have never known ordinary village life.... This 
accounts for their ability to do things which would be 
unthinkable in a typical Afghan village - for example beat up 
women from a stranger's family...."  

They are fundamentalists in their radical, political 
interpretation of Islam and the important role ascribed to 
their leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar. Their staunchly 
anti-Shiite (and therefore anti-Iranian) attitudes also stem 
from their narrow interpretation of the faith. 

But most of all, the Taliban movement is a totalitarian 
movement, along the lines of the Nazi and Stalinist regimes. 
What is different is their (Islamist) rhetoric, not so much their 
actions. 

Like those totalitarian regimes, the Taliban try to find an 
ideological justification for un-paralleled state influence in 
people's lives. Most of the Taliban's "laws" have never been 
written down, creating a sense that the law binds the 
people, but not the state. Again, the parallels with Nazi 
Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union are obvious. 

As a result, Afghanistan under Taliban rule has become a 
place of terror, not of Islamic values. While many Afghans 
may share the basic ideas of the movement, such as the 
value of moderate clothing, loyalty and the authority of men 
over women, they do not agree with the arrogant, violent and 
abusive way in which the Taliban impose their ideas. 

5. Consequences for the outside world
It has often been said that, although the Taliban are not 
ideal, they still have less blood on their hands than some of 
the other people who have ruled Afghanistan. However, it is 
clear that if the people of Afghanistan had been given a 
choice regarding who should be their leaders, many would 
not choose the Taliban. 

But the Taliban rule also has consequences for the outside 
world, those countries who in the past have so much 
enjoyed mingling in Afghani internal affairs. 

First of all, there is the drugs trade. While, officially, the 
Taliban have outlawed the production of opium and 
hashish, it is clear that the smuggling of drugs from 
Afghanistan into Pakistan and Central Asia is one of the 
main sources of income for the Taliban regime. This has 
led to increased levels of drug addiction in Pakistan, but 
also to greater wealth for the Pakistani drugs mafia. 

Secondly, there is the prospect of the spread of Taliban 
rhetoric and practice into other countries in the region. 
Especially Pakistan, with its close historic, ethnic and 
ideological links to the Taliban movement is at risk. 
Pakistani state institutions are crippled by corruption and 
ineffectiveness, and many of the Taliban have grown up 
inside the country. The Taliban have close links to several 
Pakistani political parties and religious movements and the 
general discontent with Pakistani-style "democratic" politics 
is such that there is a fertile environment for Islamic 
opposition philosophies. 

Finally, there is the spectre of the war spreading to other 
countries. Pakistan is for ever involved in an arms race with 
its bigger neighbour, India. Greater 
fundamentalist/totalitarian infuence in Pakistan may well 
lead to a rapid worsening of relations with India. But also 
the stark anti-Shiite stance of the Taliban, may lead to a 
worsening of relations with Iran, whose government in the 
past has supported anti- Taliban forces. Finally, the 
nationalist influence in the Central Asian republics of 
Tajikistan and Uzbekistan may increase the calls for a 
splitting up of Afghanistan along ethnic lines, with all its 
ramifications for the ethnic composition of its neighbours. 

However, at present, the most likely scenario is that of a 
breaking up of the Taliban movement itself. The movement 
lost its coherence as soon as it spread to non-Pashtu areas 
in Afghanistan. While such a break-up may end the 
totalitarian nature of the regime, it will almost certainly lead 
to further chaos and fighting in Afghanistan. 

It looks like the people of Afghanistan have to suffer for quite 
some time still. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------



From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: Extra:
Date: Sat Oct 27 02:09:07 2001

Message:
Saddam Hussein
President of Iraq

Personal-- 

* --Born in 1937 in Takrit, Iraq. 
* --Married to a Miss Tofa and known to have at least one 
mistress. 
* --Four children. 

Professional--

* --Cairo University, Egypt. 
* --Al-Mustansariyah University, Baghdad. 
* --Joined the Baath Party, 1956. 
* --Sentenced to death for attempted assassination of 
General Kassem, fled country and lived in Syria and Egypt, 
1959-63. 
* --Member of the 4th Regional Congress and 6th National 
Congress, 1963. 
* --Arrested for plotting overthrow president Abdul Salem 
Aref, 1964. 
* --Played a leading role in July, 1968 Revolution. 
* --Vice-President, Revolutionary Command Council, 
November 1969. 
* --Attained rank of General, January 1976. 
* --President of the Republic of Iraq, 1979. 



*Saddam Hussein's life has been marked by violence. 
Beginning in the 1950's, Hussein was an active player in the 
coups and countercoups that took place in Iraq. He 
established Iraq's secret police force and has used it 
effectively to eliminate political opposition to Baath party 
rule. Soon after acceding to the Presidency, he invaded Iran 
and began a bloody war that killed untold thousands and 
ended in stalemate eight years later. He then turned his 
military against his own people, the rebellious Kurds, by 
indiscriminately dropping chemical weapons on civilians. In 
August of 1990, he once again flexed his military muscle by 
invading Kuwait and systematically destroying that country. 

Saddam Hussein has also shown his tyrannical ways in his 
dealings with his own military. It has been reported that 
many of the commanders who survived his war with Iran 
were systematically purged and murdered to eliminate them 
as a political threat to his rule. He has surrounded himself 
with a cabinet that supports his every move and, it is belived, 
had shielded him from many of the facts regarding U.S. and 
Allied troop strength. 

Hussein seemed to regard the war with the United States 
and Israel as a "destiny" he must fulfill. Although not 
regarded as a religious man, he took a more active interest 
in Islam during the war and called for a "holy war" against 
the Allied forces. In addition, he has a large ego common to 
many dictatorial leaders and defeating this may be more 
difficult than defeating his military forces. 

Many consider Saddam Hussein to work best when under 
the greatest pressure. Given the condition of his military, the 
devastation of his economy and the state of civil war that 
existed in parts of his country, he was confronted with the 
difficult task of just staying in power after his crushing 
military defeat in the Gulf War. Many of the P.O.W.'s captured 
by the Americans stateded their total hatred for Hussein and 
these feelings are certain to be felt amongst some of the 
officers in his Army. A coup attempt or civil revolt was 
predicted. Many suspected that Hussein's death wass 
certain following the end of the war either at the hands of his 
own military in a coup or under fire from rebel forces. That 
was not to be the case, and wily Saddam Hussein 
continues in power to this day. 

From: John
To: Readers
Subject: This is such a great piece...
Date: Sat Oct 27 02:26:51 2001

Message:
This is such a great piece I just had to waste bandwigth just to 
make certain YOU get to see it.  Enjoy it!!

John
E pluribus unum



Root Causes of Anger Against Anti-American College Faculty 
        
By Alan L. Anderson 
        
       A professor at a New Mexico university tells his 
class,  Anyone who blows up the Pentagon has my vote,  and finds 
himself the target of death threats. A professor at a Texas 
university expresses similar sympathies for the murderers of 
Sept. 11 and is similarly targeted. Finally, a college senior at 
Emory University in Atlanta burns an American flag and is 
violently assaulted by two fellow students. I   along with most 
Americans, I m sure   condemn these acts of violence and 
intimidation directed toward the America-hating radicals on our 
college campuses in the strongest terms possible and agree the 
perpetrators of these acts should be hunted down and dealt with 
appropriately. 
       And yet ... 
       Should we be satisfied with such a simplistic response to 
violence directed against our campus radicals? Should we be so 
quick to judge those who commit acts of violence against them 
with such stark, black-and-white arguments as  people have a 
right to free speech regardless of how stupid said speech might 
be?  
       Shouldn t we, instead, at least try to understand what 
prompts these people who love their country to violence against 
those who don t? Put simply, shouldn t we go beyond such pre-
postmodern modes of thinking and examine the root causes of 
terrorism directed toward our campus radicals? 
       I think we should. 
       Consider, for example, the two students at Emory 
University, who allegedly (only allegedly, mind you) beat the 
stuffing out of another student for burning a flag on a student-
run radio show. Let us consider the world in which these two 
students live. 
       The modern American university is the most totalitarian 
and elitist institution in the world. Students who show up on 
campus loving their country face a monolithic, repressive 
environment. Professors are undemocratically chosen by other, 
like-minded professors and tenure is distributed based solely on 
the willingness of the scholar to adopt the anti-American 
theology of the ruling elites. This authoritarian structure 
continues once the student enters the classroom, where America-
hating professors can arbitrarily impose their anti-American 
morality on powerless students through grading. 
       The oppression continues when one looks at the curriculum 
where strenuous efforts by the anti-American leftists who 
brutally control college campuses have successfully marginalized 
and often eliminated course offerings which evince a sensitivity 
and acceptance of those who love their country. 
       Moreover, out of the classroom the student who loves his 
country finds himself similarly oppressed and isolated. Most 
college campuses have no American Student Centers where like-
minded patriots can gather and offer each other support and 
celebrate their diversity within the wonderful mosaic that is 
American life. 
       Should we be surprised that, given such a repressive 
environment, students would give up on peaceful expression and 
turn to violence? Indeed, the flag-burner burned the flag on a 
campus radio station   the propaganda arm of the anti-American 
university faculty and administration. The two students who 
pummeled the flag-burner rightly recognized his appearance on 
the radio show to burn the flag as yet another provocation by 
the dictatorial university faculty and administration and viewed 
the student who burned the flag as nothing but a pawn of the 
ruling elites. Thus, shouldn t we hold the university, itself, 
partly responsible for this violence. 
       Finally, consider the fascistic response of Emory 
University, the institution at which this incident occurred. 
Rather than sensitively dialoguing with the two students to 
ascertain the feelings and emotions which led them to commit 
their act of violence and make note of the act of the flag-
burner who actually was the symbolic cause of their violence, 
the university instead immediately called in both its own 
gestapo (the campus police) and even police from the city of 
Atlanta. Obviously, the administration has made it clear it will 
crush any dissent from those who disagree with its anti-American 
orthodoxy   thus escalating the cycle of violence and assuring 
more violence in the future. 
       So, then, now that we understand the root causes of 
violence directed against anti-American radicals on our campus, 
what is to be done? 
       Well, there are a number of things that could be done. We 
just need to be creative here. 
       For example, perhaps university administrations around 
the country should require that every classroom display an 
American flag and that each class begin with a rendition of the 
Pledge of Allegiance, followed by singing  God Bless America.  
Moreover, the universities should make this compulsory, for only 
then will patriots on our college campuses feel they are truly 
accepted and loved by their anti-American counterparts. No one 
should be allowed to express his or her disapproval of 
patriotism for to do so would be, well, insensitive. 
       Second, a series of teach-ins must be held, funded by the 
universities, designed to educate the anti-Americans at their 
college campuses on the lifestyle choice of the patriot. 
Selected speakers such as William F. Buckley Jr., George Will, 
Paul Gigot and other noted writers and thinkers known to love 
their country must be allowed to speak unopposed. Again, 
attendance at these teach-ins should be mandatory and the 
assembled anti-American faculty and students should be required 
to remain silent during the speeches so that they truly may 
understand just what it s like to be a patriot on America s 
college campuses. 
       Tenure, of course, must be eliminated and professors 
should only keep their jobs after students vote their approval. 
Finally, a large number of new courses such as  The Religious 
Views of Jerry Falwell  and  The Economic and Political Theories 
of Frederick von Hayek  need to be added to the curriculum so 
that patriots of all, diverse stripes will be made to feel 
welcome on our college campuses. New faculty must be brought in 
to teach these courses. Retired generals, for example, would be 
a good pool from which efforts to recruit faculty could be made. 
       Of course, all of this will cost money. Just to begin, I 
suggest the salaries of the tenured radicals be cut by 50 
percent so as to free up funds for these projects. Certainly, 
since they often have preached in the past against materialism, 
this will be one proposal they ll readily accept once they 
recognize that only by sharing their power can they truly hope 
to live in peace. 
       And if they don t accept these and other proposals to 
make our college campuses safe and secure for patriots? Well, 
then, I guess some protests are in order   peaceful, of course. 
Let none of us start by quoting the Maoist maxim so many of the 
anti-Americans live by,  In order to put down the gun one must 
pick up the gun.  That would be wrong. 
       Instead, let us resurrect the green peace symbol of the 
late 1960s and burn it. Let us organize sit-ins to block the 
classrooms of the anti-American professors. Let us throw pigs  
blood on the steps of the administration buildings. In short, 
let us utilize every strategy they developed in the 1960s to 
attain their power until they cave to our demands. 
       Or we could just go back to the pre-postmodern standard 
which holds that  people have a right to free speech regardless 
of how stupid said speech might be  and just prosecute those who 
perpetrate violence against those who exercise this right. 
Perhaps the peace-loving, postmodern, anti-American radicals who 
control our college campuses would like to decide this one. 
        
Alan L. Anderson writes on politics and culture from Roanoke, 
Ill. 

From:
To: Content Providers
Subject: how about a link next.....
Date: Sat Oct 27 02:54:17 2001

Message:
... time.

I appreciate the articles/info - but trying to digest the info 
on this sites background blows.  Maybe posting the link fist 
with the content after  - so those who just cant bare to leave 
the sight of W T C going off - can read here.

Just a thought FWIW

From: EagleEye
To: Content Providers
Subject: ....uhhh that was me
Date: Sat Oct 27 02:57:18 2001

Message:
above.

From: Clem G.
To: antamerican
Subject: your loss
Date: Sat Oct 27 04:32:46 2001

Message:
Say boy <(note the lower case b)! You are really askin for 
somebody to administer a severe beating and a good horse-fukkin 
to your punk ass. You talk shit about yanks, but I'll bet you 
don't even know how to throw a haymaker. What you need is a few 
good ol American sucker punches right upside your puny little 
head. How 'bout we bury you up to your waist and get the whole 
town to throw rocks at you until you cease to exist. And what in 
the hell is that table cloth wrapped around your melon for? Is 
that how you talibaners carry your ass wipers? Why do you 
critters stink so damn bad? Do you ever stand up and fight face 
to face like a real man? Or do you always do a cowardly hit and 
run?
Us yanks are ready to throw chingassos with you any time, any 
place. But, please take a bath beforehand so we don't get your 
slime all over our hardware.
Maybe you should think about changing your vocabulary so that 
your incompetence is not so clearly evident.
Oh, and one more thing:
KISS MY ASS!!! KISS MY ASS!!!KISS MY ASS!!!KISS MY ASS!!!KISS MY 
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ASS!!!

From: Max Firepower
To: Clem G.
Subject: long time no see
Date: Sat Oct 27 05:21:58 2001

Message:
You tell 'em Clem! There's no need to get that funky ol' raghead 
stinkin' slime all over our brand new shiny 7.62mm's!

From: Simon
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 05:49:50 2001

Message:
I have to disagree with you. 
President Musharraf was promised a short war. Pakistan, with its 
predominantly Pathan population is at great risk of 
conflagrating, should the it be seen that the war is a long one. 
Although the USA is the predominant force in the bombing, it 
must be remembered that it depends upon the support of the 
neighbours of Afghanistan, & their willingness to allow the USAF 
& Navy use its air-space & bases. America's restructuring of 
Pakistani debt was imperative in swinging them; A long war could 
make them resentful. Pakistan is in a very dangerous situation. 
A coup, or a populist revolt like the one which Musharraf took 
part in could send the country into the hands of the 
fundamentalists.
                    This would be an absolute disaster. The next 
time that Indian or Pakistani border guards decided to send a 
few bullets or artillery shells across the Kashmiri border, we 
could be faced with the very likely deployment of nuclear 
missiles. Further involvement would be unavopidable, especially 
as India & the USA have always been sympathetic to each other. 
Pakistan has only recently become America's bedfellow(excuse the 
expression).
                    If any war takes place, it must be short, 
sharp & accurate. Already the first wounded refugees are making 
their way into Pakistan. Moderates, who were shocked by Sept 11 
& who were mildly sympathetic to the US(as much as urban 
pressures would allow) are starting to turn against the war. 
Pakistan is a country where people can be very quick to vent 
thier rage in protests; these could lead to civil uprisings, 
etc. The support of the moderate Pakistani's is absolutely vital.
                   How do we keep it? Firstly, the war must 
involve as few civilian casualties as possible. This will be 
hard, as in some cases the Taliban will imitate the Viet Cong by 
hiding in villages making it very difficult. Secondly, the war 
must be kept as short as possible. The Russians showed us that 
the Afghani's, although natural fighters who are very good, are 
not as effective against special troops. Their Spetsnaz achieved 
large gains. Their infantry sustained large enough losses to 
obliterate any gains that were made. The special forces of the 
US & other nations should be able to track down Bin-Laden. The 
law against the assassination of foreign heads of state should 
be removed.
                     Finally, the US must install a broad-based, 
proportionally representative government. This can only be 
achieved by working with all the parties involved & avoiding 
bifurcation by any party. Pakistan, which promised to create a 
government came up with an unacceptable solution involving 
several extreme members of the Taliban. The US must work 
together with the the neighbours of Afghanistan, & its 
opposition.
                     Which brings me to my last point, which is 
very controversial, & I'm sorry if I offend anyone. Abdul Haq 
was killed because he was a member of the opposition, who was 
working against the Taliban, disseminating propaganda. Although 
his death is an unfortunate ocurrence, & is against the codes of 
moral behaviour, it must be remebered that he was an Afghan 
citizen. He was not an American citizen. He was therefore under 
the jurisdiction of the Taliban, since he was in their area. In 
times of war, either martial law is declared, or a state of 
emergency. In a country like Afghanistan, it is to be accepted 
that they will execute anyone who is spreading anti-Taliban 
propaganda, especially in a time of war, which is effectively 
what he was doing. Although I am shocked by it, it must be 
understood.

From: Justice USA
To: Eagle Eye, Florida Joe, Radio Europe and the rest of us AMERICAN badasses
Subject: Come hang out at this cool site as well AMERICAN BADASSES is the name of it and it is EXCELLENT as well as this one.
Date: Sat Oct 27 09:38:25 2001

Message:
/Hey everybody, calling all AMERICAN BADASSES found a great site 
with all sorts of kewl shit on the message board and parodies of 
Assama as well wearing a pink tutu.  Please post with your 
regular name.  Even John can come and add his pleribus lol.  It 
is called AMERICAN BADASSES and the link is 
http://pub56.ezeboard.com/momslettingloosefrm1  HOPE TO SEE YOU 
THERE.  In the meantime, HOW THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY TODAY.  
Anyone want some coffee?  I just brewed a fucken pot full. FUCK 
YOU ASSAMA DID YOU SLEEP WELL COCKSUCKER?????????????

From:
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:07:04 2001

Message:
what the fuck

From:
To: Justice USA
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:18:41 2001

Message:
double check that address ----thanks

From: Missin'
To: Simon
Subject: Excellent Post
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:06:42 2001

Message:
Simon,
You put your finger squarely on my biggest worries at this 
time.  Pakistan's support was bought by us...and probably given 
also in the hope that we would not help India against them at 
Kashmir.  President Musharraf has incurred the wrath of the 
Pakistani factions that are Anti-US already...he could be 
assassinated at anytime, I am afraid.  I'll give him an E for 
effort so far, but he grows weary of defending us to his people.

Since Sept 11th, I've felt that Saddam Hussein was in the 
background of these events...laughing like the Devil himself.  
I'm even more certain now...regardless of the purposeful 
attempts of the government and the media to persuade us that the 
anthrax in Daschle's office was not from there...that he has 
been involved in all of this neck deep.

My first reaction was, Okay we have to go to war on 
terrorism...so the list of enemies that we need to destroy 
are...the Taliban and bin Laden first.  And, who is likely to 
come to their aid?  Iraq? Maybe?  And, if Iraq joins in...what 
about Syria and Iran?  The one thing I feared that fortunately 
the government has been pretty smart about was allowing Israel 
to actively help us. If Israel were on the front lines with us, 
we'd very shortly find that this war would be joined by more 
Muslim states. 

If it were a matter of just MUSLIMS against everyone else, we'd 
have even more to worry about.  Africa, India, Egypt also have 
large populations of Muslims...even France has a large 
population now.  And, of course, that's what bin Laden and 
Hussein want...I'm just praying that the educated Muslims will 
continue to refuse involvement.

Eagle Eye,
I won't disagree with you about the Northern Alliance's feelings 
about us...we are a tool for them...and they are a tool for us.  
They have an agenda, and hope that by helping us with our agenda 
they will be able to further their own.  However, most of them 
were around when Russia was routed...with our help.  They may 
feel that they can work with us in the future for the benefit of 
Afghanistan after this is all over with...they should, we've 
been there for them before.

Here is a site that I found very useful early on in gaining some 
insight into Islam.  Most of the beliefs of the Koran can be 
found and are explained here.  There is also a lot of history of 
the Islamic movement in our country.  This is where I found what 
educated Muslims know...what is being taught to bin Laden's 
followers is not even close.  
http://www.geocities.com/mikailtariq/

From: Justice USA
To: Double Check
Subject: AMERICAN BADASSES MESSAGE BOARD SITE
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:30:30 2001

Message:
Sorry, I did check that address and the ONLY way to get to it 
without too much hassle is to go to Lycos and type in American 
Badasses at the search engine and then click on the link.  It is 
done up quite nicely with war camoflouge background and little 
icons with war people cartoons and shit.  There is a photo 
parody of Assama in a pink tutu.  Go on there and say hello.  I 
will keep cumming on this site too, but it is fun to go there 
and read the shit and add your own.  Let me know how you make 
out.  Once again the search engine should be for AMERICAN 
BADASSES  and then go to the message board and have fun.  GOD 
BLESS AMERICA.  GLAD I HAVE CLEAN DRAWERS ON  LOL.

From: Missin'
To: All
Subject: Islam Site
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:35:52 2001

Message:
Be sure to keep scrolling down past the addresses given.  There 
is much more of importance beyond that part.

From: Justice USA
To: All American Badasses
Subject: American Badasses Message Board
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:37:01 2001

Message:
once again if you are having trouble gettting to American 
Badasses site to check out their FANTASTIC message board and 
different links show up, click on the American Badasses link 
that says http://pub56.ezboard.com/fmomslettingloosefrom1

From: John
To: ALL
Subject: Rep. Barbara Lee of Berkely California
Date: Sat Oct 27 10:54:14 2001

Message:
On September 14, every member of Congress - Democrat, 
Republican, Independent - voted to support our nation's effort 
to seek justice for the terrorist attacks on America.

Every member, EXCEPT Barbara Lee.                             .

Rep. Barbara Lee stated:  "I am convinced that military action 
will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against 
the United States," Lee explained. And: "Violence begets 
violence, and we don't want that to happen. That kills people. "

Lee was the one dissenter in the 420-to-1 vote on the war-powers 
resolution.

The Bay Area has no shortage of citizens who argue that America 
should rethink its foreign policies in the wake of these 
killings. She won 85 percent of the vote in the last general 
election. 

*****

Here's my take:   The day of the vote of this War Powers 
Resolution, I thought to myself:

"Thank God, at least this lady is now exposed for all 
Californian's and the nation to see.  She will never go farther 
in government then the current seat she holds representing the 
pacifists of Berkely California."

Then I learned the reason pacifists/leftists win in Berkely is 
because - it is the students (who are not long term residents of 
Berkely, but part-time - until graduation) that do the voting 
there.  And Not the full time residents.

Now I see, not only is she (now) limited to only representing 
Berkely, with no chance of expanding her pacifist leadership 
over others.  But now, there's actually potential to oust her 
from congress entirely.  Audie Bock is running against her with 
a campaign slogan of: "It's O'K to Love America".  The pressures 
of the nation on Berkely to oust this woman are just beginning.  
Americans and American companies are pulling business from 
Berkely.  Berkely is really starting to feel the effects of 
their Anti-American stance.  Americans (from all the nation) 
will flood Bock's campaign coffers to defeat Lee.

Ousting this Paci-Lady (new term I just coined) is possible.


HERE'S A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO OUSTING LEE FROM CONGRESS

http://www.dumpbarbaralee.com/

Copy this info and email it to all those in your address book.  
Let's get this Paci-Lady ousted

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: Simon
Subject: "I take this action to save our nation."
Date: Sat Oct 27 12:55:03 2001

Message:
RE:  I have to disagree with you. President Musharraf was 
promised a short war...


Hi Simon,                                                 .

My post to Spy:  "I fear you may be correct.  I'm thinking now, 
maybe we need to hope for a long war.  Long means ground and 
tactical, NOT nuclear.  What a sick thought.  A long war sought 
so as not to have short one."

This post, out of context makes little sense.  Our conversation 
(no threads) was with regard to utilizing dreaded nuclear 
potential.  That being - a short war would entail limited 
armaments and not nukes.  

nuke's = short (not wanted)
small armament = long (not wanted either, but better than the 
short...)

******

General Musharraf, may (I repeat - may) have been promised a 
short war.  But, that was no where near his motivation for 
allying with the US.  I could hear (and feel) the fear of 
Musharref's voice and demeanor at his initial address to his 
nation.  He clearly stated:  "I take this action to save our 
nation."  He understood the stakes as presented by President 
Bush and Colin Powell.  He and his country Pakistan, were either 
with us, or with the terrorists.  He chose us.  Had he chosen 
the terrorists, no doubt, today Pakistan would look like 
Afghanistan.

John
E pluribus unum



From: John
To: MODERATOR & SITE ADMIN
Subject: softening the backround image for ease of reading
Date: Sat Oct 27 13:30:41 2001

Message:
From: 
To: Content Providers 
Subject: how about a link next..... 
Date: Sat Oct 27 02:54:17 2001 
Message:  

... time.

I appreciate the articles/info - but trying to digest the info 
on this sites background blows.  Maybe posting the link fist 
with the content after  - so those who just cant bare to leave 
the sight of W T C going off - can read here.

Just a thought FWIW

---------------------------------------------------------------
From: EagleEye 
To: Content Providers 
Subject: ....uhhh that was me 
Date: Sat Oct 27 02:57:18 2001 
Message:

above.

*****

....uhhh that was me too.  :-)


Hey Mr/Ms. Moderator,

How about softening the backround image for ease of reading.  Or 
maybe increasing font size.

Just a thought.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Spy
To:
Subject: Weapons building is dangerous bussiness
Date: Sat Oct 27 14:27:26 2001

Message:
It would be neat if osama dog and company (seeing how 
there's speculation that the dog might already have a nuke) 
had an "accident" down in the cave.
You know---like one of those stupid doggie fucks might be 
color blind and mistake the blue wire with the green wire.
Whoops

From: John
To: Spy, Eagle, Justice
Subject: You'll like this...
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:00:59 2001

Message:
Question:  Does anyone really think that we "mistakenly" bombed 
those two UN Food storage facilities?

I think NOT!  Our sophisticated targeting abilities simply would 
not fail like that.  Sure mistakes happen.  But no one was 
killed in either supposed mis-strike.

I theorize the Taliban has been hiding munitions (not bombs but 
rifles and ammo) amonst the food supplies thinking we won't be 
able to locate them.

With each report of mis-strike hitting a UN food supply 
facility, we claim it was in error.  oops.. sorry....

The last one certainly provided for a significant blaze.  I 
don't wheat burns like that.

In reality, we claim error so they don't realize the food 
covered munitions are the target.

They're scratching they're heads'   -scratch-scrath-  
saying: "They don't know it's there, do they?"

John
E pluribus unum

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:18:05 2001

Message:
Yeah---I think "accidents" could be the key. Hope the 
Pentagon is listening.

From: Yube Tyourass
To: taliban faggots
Subject: civilization
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:06:18 2001

Message:
bow wow, woff woff, wrap a towel around yur head
oink oink, snort snort, sleep with snakes in yur bed.
fart fart, stink stink, go crawl up a camels ass
puke puke, grunt grunt, take a shit in kyber pass.
  Greeting from hell, your seats have been reserved......
echo<off
if g2=3
goto hell
end

From: EagleEye
To: Asshola bin ridin
Subject: Bombs away - all day every day
Date: Sat Oct 27 14:37:30 2001

Message:
"Finally, the US must install a broad-based, 
proportionally representative government."

The US is there to de-install - not install anything, and as 
soon as peeps over there get the impression were there to 
INSTALL - its hosed.

I fail to see the longevity of any US installed, influenced, 
supported GOVT - regardless of its ethnic diversity, and FAIR 
representation of the populus.  Anything US will continue to be 
despised in the region.  Maybe US reparations funding and 
support flows thru Pakistan AND India, Saudi Arabia[if they dont 
hate each other already?] and other neighbors/friendly nations.

All this gnashing of teeth in the Muslim shit hole region known 
as the middle east about afghani innocents is getting old 
people. 1 or 1,000, these bastards would be using it as an 
excuse.  Too fucking baaaad - they [peasants] need to get the 
hell out, or learn to digest shrapnel - pretty freakin simple 
right now.  Hey raghead sand fondler .. .your dumb ignorant fuck 
GOVT is responsible for harbouring and abetting some dumb ass 
bastard goat jiz sucker who just attacked the planets mightiest 
military power, and off'd about 4k inncocent people in the 
process.  They know the score - they know what they should be 
doing - if there are still chillin amongst the Taliban 
controlled areas - they want to.  They think they are 
invincible - they're wrong and going to die - move or perish.

So was it faulty navigation by Atta or Jewish satalites jamming 
navigational equipment to "make it look like" bin Laden was 
responsible for the planes flying into WTC?  If there's anything 
these pricks in afghanistan - still occupying - Taliban areas 
is - its paybacks are a mutha fucker.

Afghani quiz #2

How do you tell a friendly afghan from a Taliban fuck?

Multiple choice Answer: 

1. The one with no head is friendly.
2. The one impaled on the end of a bayonet is now seeing things 
your way.
3. The one wit the .50 caliber round hole thru the dome.
4. The one face down in the kitty litter with a poster of 3 
fireman hoisting the Stars and Stripes in the rubble pinned thru 
his ear.

5. All of the above

From: Spy
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:25:52 2001

Message:
The towers were about----what--a-100 thousand tons or so.
I wonder how much 2 mountians weigh.

From: Simon
To: John
Subject: "I take this action to save our nation"
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:32:17 2001

Message:
Indeed, you are right. I am just 
worried about the reaction of the fundamentalists in Pakistan. 
It is not unfeasible to imagine some attempt at a popular 
uprising. This is a worrying scenario. Musharraf is doing a very 
good job. How long this can last, especially with the imminence 
of Ramadan is another matter.

From: Simon
To: EagleEye
Subject: Asshola Bin Ridin
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:39:09 2001

Message:
I am not, & have never been sympathetic 
to either the Taliban, or Bin Laden. If you read my posts, you 
will see that I am worried about the possible consequences of 
this war, & that retribution is just & swift.
                         Let us assume that the country is not 
nuked, even though that will disappoint you. The present 
troubles have partly arisen because over the past ten years, 
Afghanistan has been ruled by some sort of ethnic group on its 
own. First there were four years of rule by the Uzbeks & Tajiks, 
& then six years by the Pathans. the only way to attempt to calm 
the situation down is to attempt to represent everyone.
                       "The US is there to de-install". The US 
has to keep an eye on things to try & prevent a repeat of the 
situation. It is like Bosnia, Kosovo & Macedonia. The Allied 
forces are still stationed there, to prevent the situation 
worsening. Machiavelli said that you must either completely 
destroy your enemy, or build him back up again. Seven centuries 
later, this still applies. America dare not completely destroy 
Afghanistan & leave it, because the international community 
would be in uproar. It has to try to build it back up again.

From: Spy
To: Simon
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:52:45 2001

Message:
The U.N. will have to play the bigger part of stabalizing 
afghanistan as we will have our hands busy kickin'
the shit out of the next asshole.

From: Simon
To: Spy
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:59:39 2001

Message:
The UN will probably run the country as 
a protectorate. If the US deals with this in the right way, it 
is doubtful that the next asshole will want to have a go.

From: Spy
To: Simon
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:03:34 2001

Message:
Most might back down ---but Saddam won't.

From: an Italian guy
To: E.S.D.
Subject: the stonings
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:56:56 2001

Message:
I think it was a good idea. It's good that we know with what 
kind of people we're having to do.

From: EagleEye
To: Simon
Subject: kick ass first - then worry about rebuild
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:02:32 2001

Message:
"I am not, & have never been sympathetic 
to either the Taliban, or Bin Laden. If you read my posts, you 
will see that I am worried about the possible consequences of 
this war, & that retribution is just & swift."

Simon, contrary to Johns beleifs :-) - I can read, and did read 
your post.  I get the very distinct impression you are for US 
and anti-Taliban & bin Laden[may allah shit down his neck whole 
where his head once rested].  I was NOT attacking YOU .. or 
wasnt trying to.  Just your point about too strong of a US 
presence - after.


"America dare not completely destroy 
Afghanistan & leave it, because the international community 
would be in uproar. It has to try to build it back up again."

Im do not want us to create another vacuum like after the 
russian exit, just think we need to be real careful and smart 
and LOW Profile about how we go about the rebuild.  No one in 
the region will work with these people if they are beleived to 
be US/UN controlled puppets.  Hence my post about funneling thru 
other Afghani friendly nations - so it doesnt appear to be US 
manipulation.  I have no problem us giving them $$$ to get their 
shit together.  Money only - no arms, or maybe arms that we can 
turn off / control - what ever.

From: Spy
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:07:28 2001

Message:
N.Korea is also another future problem. Hopfully we can 
have China put the pressure on them.

From: EagleEye
To: John - E plurabus - Sageness
Subject: Oh that one way Border
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:12:35 2001

Message:
John, more props I guess - that "one way border" observation was 
on the mark.  Its a gooood thing - it really is.

"http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/27/gen.pakistan.rebels.ap/index.ht
ml"

I especially love this one!!!

"I'm going. My mother sent me to fight for our faith," said 
Farooq Shah, 21, a student from Buner, 50 miles away. When she 
told him to go, he had no Kalashnikov. So she went out, sold her 
jewelry and bought him one."

---------------------------------

However, the numbers in Temergarah on Saturday morning -- and 
the people jammed into trucks and on bus rooftops -- suggested 
support was heavy. 

Mohammad's backers say the number to enter Afghanistan will 
reach 100,000. 

"We are not worried about death," said Khaled, the brigade 
leader. "If we die in jihad, it is something much more greater 
than to be alive. And we will be taken into paradise." 

--------------------------------------------

The call for holy war came this week from Sufi Mohammad, an 
outspoken Muslim cleric who runs a madrassa, or religious 
school, in nearby Madyan. He exhorted "true Muslims" to mass and 
prepare to go to Afghanistan -- to repel any U.S. ground 
incursions. 

---------------------------------------------

Peaceful Muslim = oxymoron

Taliban, bin Laden [may Allah remove the Camel Dong from his 
mouth, then deficate down his throat] first, MECCA next - sorry 
mussies - either you un-hijack your jihide fuck religion or 
we'll hijack it our style.  We'll introduce you to the book of 
Ka-boom!

From: an Italian guy
To: miss "a muslim"
Subject: J. Gerassi's opinion
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:16:09 2001

Message:
I think right YOU are one of the (many) idiots on this board.
John Gerassi's opinion is VERY biased, from the way he talks
and from what he says. 
(And from what he doesn't say). 
Normal, that he has to be considered as an example of quite 
good American from you.

Many of the facts told by Gerassi should have to get deeply
investigated to can know all the truth; anyway, about Panama,
El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile and Vietnam, U.S. forces and
CIA truly went with a heavy hand in bombing people and 
supporting dictatorships, but on the other side they also 
had to do with another dirty play, the one of the Soviet 
Union, and with the mighty threat of communismus.

Moreover, it's obvious that actions and wars U.S.A. made 
with non islamic countries don't regard islamic terrorism 
and don't give Islam any right to hit America or to feel 
any resentment against it.

By the way, "if you have such courage" read my answer to 
cool/john/"good thinker" in this board, about the so called 
"American terrorism".

I don't think you live in an Islamic country. I don't think
you were good there, with a women-demonising religion and
a women-penalizing mentality.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: theFunnyPages:
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:36:02 2001

Message:
Coach Marty Mornhinweg had put together the perfect Lions 
team. The only thing he was missing was a good 
quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges, and even the 
high schools, but he couldn't find a ringer quarterback who 
could ensure a Super Bowl win. 

Then one night, while watching CNN, he saw a war-zone 
scene in Bosnia. In one corner of the background, he 
spotted a young Bosnian soldier with a truly incredible arm. 
He threw a hand grenade straight into a 15th-story window 
200 yards away, ka-boom! He threw another hand grenade 
into a group of 10 soldiers 100 yards away, ka-blooey! Then 
a car passed, going 90 mph, bulls-eye! 

"I've got to get this guy!" Mornhinweg said to himself. "He 
has the perfect arm!" 

So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great 
game of football, and the Lions go on to win the Super Bowl 
for the first time in history. 

The young Bosnian is lionized as the Great Hero of football, 
and when Mornhinweg asks him what he wants, all the 
young man wants to do is to call his mother. "Mom," he says 
into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl." 

"I don't want to talk to you," the old woman says. "You 
deserted us. You are not my son." 

"I don't think you understand, Mother!" the young man 
pleads. "I just won the greatest sporting event in the world. 
I'm here among thousands of my adoring fans." 

"No, let me tell you," the mother retorts. "At this very moment, 
there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a 
pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch 
of their lives last week, and this week your sister was raped 
in broad daylight." 

The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says, "..I'll never 
forgive you for making us move to Detroit!" 

From: an Italian guy
To: everybody interested
Subject: the so called "american terrorism" - reply to cool/John/"good thinker"
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:41:18 2001

Message:
Your posting is the demonstration of how stupid are the 
reasons of anti-American hatred. As you are going to 
see soon, no inch of this planet has any right to hate 
America but for questionable, or right stupid, or non 
present, reasons. I think you and your fonts are VERY 
biased and non objective. Uncle Sam was often a killer, 
but almost never an assassin. Follows why. 

You call EVERY  U.S. military intervention "terrorism". 
With the common use of this word, military actions for 
legitimate purposes are not called like this. It's as 
if you (and many others) don't know the difference 
between war and terrorism.
You also recall historical events of the 19th century, 
like the war against native-Americans and the niger 
slaves trade, for blaming the today's  U.S.A.. The 
worst thing is that you're saying something like: 
"such country was bombed by Americans, then it does 
have a reason to hate them, too"; and like: "Americans 
bombed Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, 
Japan, Vietnam, North Korea, Laos and Cambodia and 
THEREFORE they are assassins". 

             YOU DO THINK LIKE AN IDIOT.
             ===========================

You don't wont to consider 
WHY they bombed Iraq, 
WHY they bombed Lybia, 
WHY they decided to nuke Japan, 
WHY they bombed Sudan, 
WHY they fought againsts communismus all over the
 world, etceter. 
Because they were bad, or bored? 
You do even know, that Iraq was military attacked 
because of Kuwait invasion and because Saddam 
Hussein was trying to manifacture chemical weapons; 
that the crisis with Lybia was caused from Gheddafi's 
terrorist attacks in Germany (e.g. a bomb in a 
discoteque in Hamburg, many boys and girls dead or 
maimed "for the Arab cause", as Gheddafi said); 
that the Sudan was bombed because manifacturing toxic 
chemical substances for Bin Laden's terrorist attacks; 
that Afghan was bombed as retaliation for Bin Laden's
terrorist attacks against american embassys and an 
U.S. navy unit; that when Japan, Vietnam, North Corea 
and Cambodia were bombed they were in war with the 
U.S.A.; 
that about Algeria you piece of idiot shouldn't even 
talk, after the incredible and barbarous atrocities 
the GIA did (or is still doing) same to other Arab 
people there, in the name of Allah (as usual); 
that, about IRAN, the U.S.A. had their reasons for 
hating Khomeini's regime after the coward attack to 
the American Teheran's embassy, and that's why they 
supported Iraq in it's war against Iran;
that, about Cuba, the O.N.U. enforced the economical 
sanctions for their anti-democratic communist regime, 
for witch is responsible Fidel Castro;
that, about Iraq, if "two million of their children 
have died from economic embargoes which are starving 
the country to death right now" it's Saddam Hussain 
guilty because he's refusing right now to show his 
factories to the O.N.U. inspectors - and himself 
doesn't give a damn for Iraqi dying children, the 
power to threaten all the world with chemical or 
atomic weapons is for him more important, as it 
looks like; 
that, still about Iraq, many Arab civilians died 
because Saddam Hussain used them as hostages for 
protecting his possible targets of bombings.

Then is THIS your thinking way, good thinker?? By 
forgetting those important elements you don't want 
to know?? It's easy, thinking like this. It's easy, 
thinking: "Americans are the ferocious assassins 
of the world, and Islamic people are all quite 
innocent and rightous!". 
You are "a typical self-brainwashed American". 
An intelligent and right person uses his brain to 
objectively discriminating right from unright 
things, and AFTER THAT hates unright things. All 
stupid people in the world (like you) just use 
their brain for finding the way to illuse themselves 
that their hatreds are justified, anyway and at 
every cost.
Before calling yourself "good thinker" you'd better 
learn and apply some concepts like logic and 
objectivity. 

And it's useless that you blame the Americans for 
Israel's military actions. We're talking about the 
U.S.A., now. Even if the U.S.A. support them, 
Israelians act autonomously, and anyway either for 
their direct survival, or for (eternal and 
reciprocal) retailiations against Arab terrorist 
attacks to them.

It's to observe as well what follows.
About the chasing away and the extermination of
many native Americans (that as far as I know were 
about one million and not 25 million), and about 
the niger slaves trade, these obviously were 
giant crimes, but at least they're generally 
admitted as such, now. About Japan, the atomic 
bombs were a very tragical and extreme way to end 
the 2nd ww, but on the other hand a direct assault
to Okinawa would have caused the death of maybe 
more people. 
About the bombings in Vietnam, Americans acted 
with a very heavy hand; and the same did the CIA 
by supporting dictatorships in Latin-American 
countries (e.g. in the overthrowing of Allende's 
regime, etc.); but on the other hand they also had 
to do with another dirty play, the one of the 
Soviet Union, and with the mighty threat of 
communismus.
About the interests U.S.A. demands on loans 
to countries, it's useless to blame the U.S.A. 
for such a "demand", since those conditions 
have been accepted from loan-contracting 
countries (that have benefitted from such 
loans anyway).
About American colonialismus, the colonial age 
is finished since a long time.
About the "over hundred terrorist attacks on 
U.S. targets" that were in 1994 in Latin 
America, it's strange that the media didn't 
talk; anyway, likely they will be a 
consequence of the past CIA operations about 
which I just told.
About pollution in general, you do know that 
guilty is the whole world. 
About the production in the athmospere of 
ozone-spoiling gas, if Americans are the prime 
responsible of it, they should indeed have to 
answer for.
About Malcolm X' murder, it was a political 
crime, for which the then responsibles should 
have had to answer, too.
And for this do Americans deserve to get 
"destroyed"??

You aren't considering, then, that America 
also lost MILLIONS of soldiers by fighting 
against the great nationalisms - do you 
understand? MILLIONS of soldiers - in two 
world wars; 
that since the end of 2nd world war U.S.A. 
contrasted communismus all over the world;
that they intervened in Yugoslavy against 
the Serbs in favour of (Muslim) Serbo-Bosnians 
because of pure justice and humanitary 
reasons - what O.N.U. and European community 
did never make the decision to do - and later 
in favour of (Muslim) Albaneses, for the same 
reasons; that U.S.A. are making NO terrorist 
attacks, but only interventions as 
retaliations to them or for preventing them;
that in their military interventions, 
Americans are usually trying to hit as few as 
possible civilians of the attacked countrys, 
unlike the Islamic terrorists that right want 
to kill as many as possible of them;
that in America's churchs no anti-Arab or 
anti-Muslim hatred is preached, unlike the 
mosquis of all Islamic countries, in which the 
U.S.A. are referred to as "the enemy of all 
Islam" and "the great Satan".
That's why people can't understand the reasons 
of such an anti-American hatred by Muslim 
countries, you fool. 
And OF COURSE Americans are now asking why 
they are hated, why??

If you want to criticise so much about 
freedom in America, then compare the 
American freedom and democracy, with freedom 
and democracy in Islam, in Islamic culture 
and mentality.
Yes, America harbors the worlds largest 
jailed population, 2 million prisoners. Oh, 
Afghanistan e.g. doesn't have such a big 
problem at all. They sentence prisoners so 
quickly to death. By hanging or 
throat-slitting... But maybe you prefer THAT 
culture, don't you? - Well, at least they don't 
tell to be so freedom lovers.... 
(By the way, if you hate U.S.A. so much, if 
you don't believe at all in the American 
freedom or in the idea that America wants to 
have about itself, if you even think America 
should have to get destroyed, if you think 
there you get brain-washed by the media, well 
why do you stay there?)

Besides, if you're so convincted that the 
whole world has real reasons for hating 
America, did you wonder why are now getting 
posted many messages here condamning Osama 
Bin Laden, or in favour of American victims 
of terrorism, from all over the world, and 
in many languages? Why even some Muslims are 
condamning last terrorist attacks? Why  ALL 
countries - even Islamic ones, even Russia 
and China - but Afghanistan, either are on 
the side of Bush or have taken a distance 
from Bin Ladin? Why self many Afghanistan 
people - surely most people, if we consider 
also Afghan women - are against taliban 
terrorists?

And do you know what is a real coward, you 
pig? For example, the one who sits two 
hundred miles off the coast of Saudi Arabia, 
pushing buttons to shoot missiles at an Iraqi 
target is NOT a coward, if this target is a 
mad murderer; while the one who orders a 
slaughter - that is no retaliation for 
anything similar - of thousands of office 
workers and some tourists, and after that 
celebrates the happy outcome of his action 
along with his friends, and then even says 
it wasn't he, that is a BIG coward.

Still, you said a lot of foolish things in 
your message - always as "obvious reasons" 
for the anti-american hatred. Even "countless 
atrocities and accounts of U.S. military 
brutality are coming out of that island 
(Puerto Rico) every day"?? I asked a history 
teacher and looked for this question in two 
enciclopaedyas; nobody had heard about such 
"facts", and I've found no confirmation of 
such every day coming out countless 
atrocities. (October 1950 there was, yes, a 
revolt for independence from U.S.A. that 
ended in blood, but on the other side, short 
later a complete indipendence was proposed 
by Americans but 11-27-1953 a popular 
referendum in Puerto Rico refused it).
About native Americans, instead, I've found 
out that in the territory now occpied by 
the U.S.A. they were about one million before 
American pioneers' arrival, while you said 
that they were 25 million and let understand 
that Americans would have committed a giant 
massacre of 20 million of Indian Americans. 
In addition, you idiot said Indian American 
were "completely wiped out" (?).
You wrote that 35,000 children die "every day" 
due to hunger because of U.S. foreign 
economic policy. I.e. 12,775,000 every year. 
(Let's imagine that!)
You wrote "The righteous Muslims, as well as 
all non-Muslim people who hate tyrrany and 
oppression, declared war on the U.S. a long 
time ago.". Well, the only one who declared 
war on the U.S. a long time ago is Bin Laden, 
who represents all the worst Muslims in the 
world. 
You are capable to call "tyranny and 
oppression" even the war Americans are making 
to Islamic terrorism.
About war in Bosnia you were capable to say 
that the U.S.A. "imposed a lopsided arms 
embargo on the Bosnian Muslims", when it was 
imposed by O.N.U. and on both parts, and the 
U.S.A. rather intervened right in favour of
Bosnians.
YOU ALSO USE EXAGERATIONS AND FAKE 
INFORMATION for illusing yourselves to 
rationalise your big anti-American hatred. You 
and many others in this board want at every 
cost see and let believe that Americans are 
absolute and ruthless slaughterers, and are 
only that. And after the recent terrisist 
attacks you even allow yourself to say "the 
U.S.A. are a justified target for the entire 
world to destroy" - for such stupid or invented 
reasons?. YOU AND ALL THOSE LIKE YOU MUST FEEL 
ASHAMED of being so mean and unright. You are 
stupids and truth-reversing scoundrels. With 
those like you, people can reason no way. People 
can just speak the only language you can 
understand: the one of war and of death.

From: an Italian guy
To: Simon
Subject: observations to a previous posting
Date: Sat Oct 27 17:13:20 2001

Message:
The bombing of Hisoshima and Nagasaki actually stopped 
the war against Japan. Then even if Japan didn't have 
surrended, in 6 months it surely wouldn't have won the 
war - and the next bomb would have been for Tokio. 
The bombing in Yugoslavia destroyed Milosevich's 
ammonitions depots and thus paralized their army.
If Saddam Hussain is still in power is because in 
Gulf's war, allied's work wasn't completed - and it 
was a great mistake for ONU.
The bombing of Lybia and Israeli's bombings of 
Palestine were just retaliations, they weren't for 
toppling their leaders.
It's normal that bombings don't serve for toppling
any leader.
About Somalia, was it bombed as well?
Bin Laden is guest of talibans because they liked his
programs and because he's related with Mullah Omar, 
but it's true that many Afghans don't like him and 
Al-quaeda.
Maybe Afghanistan's ancient culture was beautyful, 
and maybe it could be a kind of advanced country in 
the past, but it's strange that female emancipation 
reached its highest level in 1979 if the R.A.W.A. 
started its activity in 1977.
Bombings in Afghanistan alone won't solve the problem,
but they're just a preparation for the army
intervention on ground. It's true that mabye Bin 
Ladin will never be caught, but I think U.S.A. did 
have to try for it, and to attack Afghanistan as 
a retailation. Yeah, we shall see.
The millions of deads in Cambodia, Vietnam and Corea 
were shot or bombed whithin wars against communismus.
Guilty for the present crisis are obviously not all 
Afghanis, but Bin Laden and all his supporters and 
followers, then also talibans and maybe Saddam 
Hussain.

From: John
To: Eagle
Subject: It must be "THE 52 SIMULTANEOUS VIRGIN PARADISE SEXUAL ENGAGEMENT PROMISE".
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:57:43 2001

Message:
Sageness?  Thank you.                                         .

Could reach 100,000...                                        .

If I can figure this out just watching CNN  -  these partially 
deadened, and soon be extinct Taliban, must realize it.  It must 
be "THE 52 SIMULTANEOUS VIRGIN PARADISE SEXUAL ENGAGEMENT 
PROMISE".  We and the world will never know the true numbers of 
new Tali's who committed suicide this day.

John
E pluribus unum


From: John
To: an Italian guy
Subject: APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE
Date: Sat Oct 27 17:50:42 2001

Message:
To:  an Italian Guy                                            .

APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE                                     .

What a great piece of work!                                    .

A piece for the hard-drive.                                    .

APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE                                     .

I proclaim - An Italian Guy, poster of the week.  Great work!

APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE-APPLAUSE                                     .


John                                                           .
E pluribus unum                                                .

From: Holland/Italy
To: John
Date: Sat Oct 27 18:06:10 2001

Message:
I am glad you made it up with Eagle, I thought this fighting and 
threatening on line was a bit silly, there is enough fighting 
going on around us already, excuse my former outrage.   

From: Simon
To: an Italian Guy
Subject: observations
Date: Sat Oct 27 19:09:21 2001

Message:

From: Simon
To: an Italian Guy
Subject: observations
Date: Sat Oct 27 19:09:21 2001

Message:
You are right that the two bombs stopped the 
war, & that Japan wouldn't have won. But if they'd known that 
there were no more bombs, they would have continued, with the 
possibility of greater US casualties. The bombing of Yugoslavia 
was intended to topple Milosevic. It strengthened the Yugoslav's 
behind him. The Yugoslav army wasn't paralysed. They simply hid 
their equipment, made realistic dummies & were inactive.
                    America led the Gulf War. It would have been 
easy for them to destroy the presidential palaces, because in 
times of war, assassination is allowed. You are right about 
Libya & Palestine, but the ultimate intention was that Kadaffi 
would be toppled. Some bombings are carried out, in the hope 
that they will inspire a populist uprising, which will topple 
the present regime. Others serve different purposes, as you say.
                   Female emancipation was more advanced than 
its neighbours. That was what I meant to say. The US has to be 
seen to be doing something. it just needs to be precise. 
Whatever those wars were against, they were still horrific for 
all sides involved, & this must be recognised & never repeated.

From: Simon
To: EagleEye
Date: Sat Oct 27 19:32:43 2001

Message:
What would the Afghans, a people that have 
been at war for the past twenty years do with any money they are 
given? Use it to buy food? Or arms?

P.S Have just learnt that 10,000 Pakistanis have been stopped at 
the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. It looks as if Musharraf has 
realised what is happening. Not certain report.

From: John
To: Simon
Subject: Pakistanis have been stopped @ border
Date: Sat Oct 27 19:44:46 2001

Message:
I doubt it Simon.  It may simply be a story for the Pakistani 
Press.  When this operation is done none of them are coming 
home.  

Post Taliban topple:  "Why didn't Masharraf stop this", ask's 
the press.  "I did, I did, I tried to stop them..." says 
Mucharref.

Musharref needs to allow the egress.  These fundamentalists will 
topple his rule if they stay in Pak...  He's got to let them go 
commit suicide.


John
E...

From: John
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 19:56:52 2001

Message:
This is pure Genius on the part of the Bush admin.  Delay the 
war, demonstrate the usual lack of resolve on the American part, 
to encourage Pakistani Taliban sympathizers to cross the border, 
then destroy both the Taliban and those who support them in 
Pakistan.  No need to invade Pakistan to root them out.  Genius.

John
E...

From: Spy
To: You stinking dogfucking muslims around the whole motherfucking world!!!!!!!!!
Subject: You can take your dogfucking piece of shit excuse for a religion and shove it up your dogfucking asses as soon as you get your dogfucking penises out of your dogfucking asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! {:@(
Date: Sat Oct 27 20:43:23 2001

Message:
I have listen to you asses WAY TO FUCKING LONG !!!!!!!!
We should turn that whole motherfucking desert into the 
largest glass store in the world.

From: Spy
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 21:20:06 2001

Message:
We should drop American flags all over the place over there 
and when they gather in their large dog pack crowds to burn 
'em---naplam each and every last one of 
'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Spy
To:
Date: Sat Oct 27 21:23:36 2001

Message:
BURN THEM UP !!!!!!

From: Yube Tyourass
To: taliban faggots
Subject: numbered days
Date: Sat Oct 27 22:35:10 2001

Message:
One day, (if you are still alive), when you are invited to the 
big sporting event where the best afgani horsemen play grab-ass 
with the headless goat carcass, be sure to invite all of  your 
relatives and friends to go with you; and, sit close together.
Have a good time! Adios!

From: a loyal american
To: Spy
Subject: Bravo!
Date: Sat Oct 27 22:56:14 2001

Message:
Well said.  

From: Spy
To:
Subject: The Flat Out Truth !!!
Date: Sun Oct 28 00:01:40 2001

Message:
I didn't want to go here, but I am really PISSED now !
I'm gonna put this flat out straight. The fucking truth !
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Did you ever have to live with these assholes ?
Now--did you have to live with 200+ of 'em?
Have you ever had to train or guard these motherfuckers ?
Well I did. It wasn't my choice--I was under orders.
I was a good soilder--4.0 rating (thats A+ for you non military 
types). 
I was doing what I was told.
Out of the whole stinkin' bunch of them(and I do mean 
stinkin')
I only met one---ONLY ONE --who believed in Islam and 
lived by it to the best of his ability as a human being.
The rest of 'em were the most 
arrogant,ignorant,vile,buttfuckin' people I ever met. And that's 
the way that ONE felt about his cohorts. He was utterly 
disgraced by 'em.
Did you ever see a guy crawl off his buddie's butt, with 
diarrhea dripping off
his wang,plastered in his pubic hairs and running down his 
legs while his buddy
on the bed had a shotgun blast of shit down his legs and all 
over the bed ?
Well, that's how these "people" presented themselfs to me 
and my fellow soilders.
What a sight---what a stench. And we couldn't do a damm 
thing about it though, cause
they had dipolmatic immunity to our military laws and civilian 
laws.

The average U.S. soilder (at that time) was making about 
$380 to $500 a month.
We (gov.) was paying these jerks around a $1000 a 
month---and all these assholes
had rich oil daddys-------what a disgrace to the U.S. military 
forces !!!

When I see these terrorist and listen to 'em----I see these 
assholes I had to be around.
I bet cha some of them are terrorist.
If we knew then what we know now---I do believe some of 
'em would have gone home in a box.
The only satisfaction I did get; is some of 'em got busted for 
drugs. When that happened,
the U.S. would send them home to their homeland---where 
they were beheaded.
I remember smiling while waving bye bye :-)


From: ton of florida
To: john and simon
Subject: wll you ever grow up?
Date: Sun Oct 28 00:11:02 2001

Message:
well i'm back and hope you get to read this..  i have been 
reading some of your   so called think you know what the hell 
your talking about bull...  i'll bet you both are in school 
thinking you are so smart,  but i will tell you you have to get 
off your asses and travel out of your dorms or pads and see what 
the world is about ..    you will grow up  i hope     and of 
course it depends on when  and how many times we nuke the mid  
east    you see we can not and will not lose this war.   think 
about it  for 1 sec.   you will understand we have to win  even 
if it takes killing have the people in the mid-east(  not really 
a bad idea  if you think about it)  we will and have to do what 
we have to do to win..  i know its hard for you swallow  but  
wake up  and face the real world  you will grow up sooner or 
later..     remember thw 6000 lost at the W T C.   how can you 
not want to nuke em...  you are true cowards and  glad your not 
americans    if you are you must be ashemed.     i heard today 
that bin ladens mom  is a hooker in mecca..       take that to 
the bank.       and by the way  j c will kick alahs ass in a holy 
war.. J  C   in first round..

ton

From: ton
To: joe
Subject: they are sorry
Date: Sun Oct 28 00:31:52 2001

Message:
simon and john both feel bad about the way they are behaving   
infact they will change there ways and grow  up    they better   
they might not have much time  you see i think  we are going to 
have  to nuke em  and kill half the mid--east.   well    nite joe

ton  

From: SBD
To: the disillusioned
Subject: just a thought
Date: Sun Oct 28 00:58:48 2001

Message:
I'll bet we have more neo-nazis in this country than the Muslims 
have Al Quaeda.  As a matter of fact, read the front page of 
today's paper.  The FBI has already come to the conclusion that 
the anthrax used in the mail is NOT from a foreign source.  I'll 
bet my bottom dollar some white supremists who would love to go 
down on Adolf Hitler are capitalizing on the WTC attacks to 
perpetuate racial profiling and bigotry.

Think about it and get back to me.  All of you who think bombing 
the hell out of the Taliban will solve this are kidding 
yourselves.  Not that I do not think it's necessary, because 
those bastards are in bed with Al Qaeda.  But it's not going to 
solve a thing.

From: John
To: ton of florida
Subject: In response to your posting above:
Date: Sun Oct 28 01:12:28 2001

Message:
ton of Florida,

In response to your posting above:

I just went up this board and read all of your posts, every one 
of them.  

The first thing I noticed was you repeatedly attack someone on 
the board.  That's not what this board is about.

The second thing I noticed is you bring absolutely no knowledge 
to the board.  No research, logic, or reasonable thought 
process.  In others words, you offer nothing.  

The third thing is you repeat the same diatribe over and over.   
It all goes like this:

  "WELL  SEE YA  WE HAVE ONLY ABOUT 5000 MORE AFGANS TO 
INCINARATE or melt down  oh what ever you know what i mean  
right "  

"they better  they might not have much time  you see i think  we 
are going to have  to nuke em  and kill half the mid--east.   
well"


The fourth thing I noticed is you are seemingly incapable of 
creating a sentence.  Not one of your postings has a complete 
sentence.  I point this out only because this tells me and 
others - if you can't make a sentence, you probably can't read a 
sentence.  Now, that makes perfect sense.  Maybe you don't read 
well and couldn't grasp the content of the posts. If you had 
read postings of EaglesEye's, Italian Guy's, Spy's and mine of 
the last days you would have learned what I and everyone here 
learned together.  We've had some darn good dialogue.  If you 
read them with comprehension you would not have attacked me in 
your above post claiming you had read them.  You said your post 
was in response to my posts since you've been gone.

So what's up?  How about taking the time and reading the posts 
before offering up a repeat performance.  If you have a 
reasonable argument or opinion you care to share we'll all be 
glad to entertain your thoughts.  Maybe you could take some time 
and read some of the above posts.

Have a good day,  

John
E pluribus unum

From: pinwheel
To: John
Subject: bullshit john
Date: Sun Oct 28 01:13:56 2001

Message:
john you say there's no hate in your heart?
you say people should be executed?

why do you focus on 'deaths of millions' while people are 
dying now (innocents)?

johnyou're a Fag 

From: John
To: Spy
Date: Sun Oct 28 01:18:07 2001

Message:
Hey Spy,  Reading your cronicle of that horrible era in your 
life, one thinks of flashbacks - from the "whole stinkin' 
bunch" , as you call em.

I think you mentioned way back, you live in NYC.  True?
That would explain your newly developed anger since your last 
post.  You probably walk outside and get all unsettled and 
pissed off again & again.  I would too, I guess.  I lived there 
for 15+ years.  But to me, it's not as real.  It's 
incomprehensible from afar.  It's kinda like - it ain't so, but 
ya know it is, but it ain't so...  I talk to my sister every 
other day or so in Midtown.  She says:  "John, part of it, you 
really feel it.  When I get away it's different.  I don't think 
about it..."

She's right, I'm sure.

George will make em pay.  Bank it.

John
E...

From: John
To: Pinwheel
Subject: PinHead
Date: Sun Oct 28 02:00:34 2001

Message:
I can only guess what you might be referring to.  You're 
probably like ton, reading out of context, a conversation I've 
had with another poster.  Or maybe not.  I couldn't say.  You 
offered no example or elaboration at all.  But I'll try to 
figure out what your dribble means.

In reference to this partial question of yours:  "you say people 
should be executed?"

Yes.  The Taliban, al Quaeda and supporters of, and other terror 
groups worldwide need be destroyed.  They have defined us as 
enemy.  They will kill us.  That means they want to kill you 
too, your family, and your friends.  I support their execution 
to save YOU and those YOU care about.  As well as myself.  :-)

You asked this:   "why do you focus on 'deaths of millions' 
while people are dying now (innocents)?"

I guess you think I can wave my majic wand and stop the deaths 
of all the innocents.  hmmm
If you're referring to the deaths of innocent Afghans presently 
dying at the hands of our bombs.  That's called collateral 
damage.  It's unavoidable.  Some will die.  Unfortunately, I 
think it better some innocents die rather than YOU and YOUR 
family and friends.  Oh and me too.  :-)


and you asked:  "john you say there's no hate in your heart?"

I don't hate these people, I really don't.

Let's see if I can explain this AGAIN so YOU can understand.  
These people hate us, not us them.
They attacked us, not us them.

We must destroy them not because we hate them, but because they 
hate us.

Got it yet pinhead?

John
E...

From: exhausted
To: John, Eagleeye, Missin', Simon
Subject: Humans can think...
Date: Sun Oct 28 01:23:15 2001

Message:
It is great to see people make so much sense. I just stayed 
up 'til 3 am (4 am counting daylight savings) reading your 
posts and agree to most of them. I'm not as violent in 
thought as Eagleeye, but I do think we need to destroy the 
Taliban ASAP. Sometimes, I even wish that we would use 
nukes, but I usually dismiss the thought as morbid and 
callous. This world is really messed up and it would do 
some good to get rid of a large number of ignorant people 
who are cemented in their worldviews. I keep thinking about 
enlisting, but I don't know if I have the heart to kill...like most 
humans I could probably learn.

I am not so much mad, but am incredibly frustrated at how 
many people are decieved in this world by the Muslim faith. 
Blows me away. Someone in the 7th Century claims to get 
the word of God from an angel and writes it down. Then 
uses that ammo to go to war against the world and spread it 
like a bad rumor. I guess I am a little bit mad. I still care 
about the people, but their hearts are totally in the wrong 
place. War sucks, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm starting to vent now, so I'll sign off. Keep the insights 
flowing.

From: Fakami Sakami
To: Stinking dogshit eating taliban trash
Subject: atmosphere
Date: Sun Oct 28 03:05:08 2001

Message:
I get the hebie gebies when I think about what the taliban have 
to fight for.  So they desire to turn the entire world into 
taliban extremists.  A world without women, not one woman in 
sight anywhere in public. The natural beauty of a woman's face, 
her hair, the shape of her body never to be seen in public.  And 
every woman who steps out of line will be beaten by at least one 
man; if she goes too far she will be shot or beaten to death or 
stoned to death.
A world without mercy or peace or compassion or freedom.
A world without safety or hapiness or joy.
A world without a truthful or honest religion.
Was there ever a good time for Islam? Hapiness? Freedom?
There has never been a good time for the taliban's form of 
Islam, and there never will be.
THE taliban ARE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL.
 THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASONING BEHIND ANYTHING THEY DO.
 THEY ARE SELFISH, EVIL, DIRTY, INHUMANE, IGNORANT, FOOLISH, 
USELESS, ANOYING, BRAINLESS, PERVETED, LOWER THAN THE LOWEST, 
STINKING, CAMELSHIT EATING, MONKEYASS LOOKING PIECES OF BUZZARD 
SHIT!!!!
Who would allow such faggots to rule them or their country?
Not in my neighborhood!
There is obviously a better way!
Any way is better than their way.
Why don't we all work together to rid the world of these filthy 
shit eating dogs?
And who does not wish for the absence of terrorism when they 
think of their children?
Does the world need people who fly airplanes into buildings full 
of human beings?
Do your children need to be in the same neighborhood with them.
Are you going to submit to these evil doers?
If there ever was a time to hunt down criminals, it is now.
The world is shocked.
There is a lot of talk.
This is going to take a lot of action.
It can be done.
How long it takes will be directly proportional to the amount of 
action taken by each and every one of us.

From: EagleEye
To: John
Subject: Virgins, Martyrs and Mansions-Islam drivel
Date: Sat Oct 27 23:02:26 2001

Message:
"[It must be "THE 52 SIMULTANEOUS VIRGIN PARADISE SEXUAL 
ENGAGEMENT PROMISE".]"

Well ... Buenos Tardes ... Looooooooos Angeles to you too, from 
the VERY EXTREME VAST Right[as in correct] Wing Conspiracy - and 
other such labels.

Just sorry to hear that it took you this long to get on the 
train with the other Elderados. But that aside...... Im sure 
you'll be amazed to hear this John .... to nit pick .... I have 
READ ... John thats R-E-A-D - past tense, bin Lucifers 2nd Fatwa 
agains the US/West.  It is as according to ol Scratch Bin Laden, 
a mansion of 70 rooms filled with 70 hourries [1 each room i 
gather].

So what do these toothless opiated wastes of flesh do with these 
virtuous beauties after they've defiled them?  What's ol 
Muhhammed got planned for those poor bitches then one must 
wunder.  Im sure its nothing a few Holy Rocks wouldnt fix.

Since these goat penetration specialists [muslim males of the 
taliban persuasion] - likely get some stinky ass only once in 
there ALLAH for saken existance - so I guess getting laid ONLY 
70 more times for the rest of eternity would be magnificent.

But whats that divine book got to say about how the rest of the 
mus-fucks should treat the seed and widows of these ji-hide 
panzy ass suicide fools?  More rocks?  I dont see the Koran as 
contemplating "welfare"  - since the fucknards aint allowed to 
commerce via anything except cash on the barrel head - debt is 
not permitted, and neither is loaning.

I wonder if we'd get better results/intelligence on a bin Cifer 
[may ALLAH remove the pickled camel toe he uses as a butt plug 
and insert a tactical nuke and press the button on him] sighting 
if we randomly dropped Kraft Mac N Cheese?  Kinda like a rat 
trap eh?

[No power except thru ALLAH and may we all laugh when GI Joe 
shoves an M-16 up ALLAH's ass and fires, screaming - fuck your 
ALLAH to hell]

In February 1998, bin Laden issued a joint fatwa, or religious 
proclamation, along with the Islamic Group, Al Jihad, the Jihad 
Movement in Bangladesh and the "Jamaat ul Ulema e Pakistan." 
Under the name "World Islamic Front," it called for all Muslims 
to kill Americans and their allies, military or civilian, "in 
any country in which it is possible to do it."


From: Clem G.
To: Jihada Jimima
Subject: go nuke yourselp
Date: Sun Oct 28 06:01:39 2001

Message:
yes, all of you jihad artists should cut your own nuts off and 
see if bin laden will trade you some food for them.
If you get tired of eating camel shit, you could just simply try 
making a major change in your lifestyles and see if you can get 
along with the civilized world for a change. try it, you may 
like it. there really are good reasons for living on this planet 
with other human beings. there is nothing wrong with a little 
freedom. I'll be glad to lend you a hand if you can't figure 
where your nuts are, i'll even let you use my Bowie knife to 
sever the little bb's. your uncle bin will be glad to see you 
with your balls in your hand, i'll bet he's hungry too.
remember that we're watching you, so unless you can crawl up a 
camels ass, concider yourself to be a good target for the rest 
of your worthless existance.

From: EagleEye
To: missin' - the facts
Subject: Oh those peaceful fucking muslims are spreading the love some more
Date: Sun Oct 28 05:59:40 2001

Message:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Masked gunmen on motorcycles shot dead as 
many as 15 Christians and a policeman at Sunday prayers in a 
central Pakistani town, witnesses say. 

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/10/28/gen.pak.christi
an.shooting/index.html

In 1997, Muslim rioters in southern Punjab sacked 13 churches 
and a school and burned and looted hundreds of houses, saying 
some Christians had committed blasphemy by throwing torn pages 
of the Koran into a mosque. 

A 1986 law that makes blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammad 
punishable by death has been used to intimidate religious 
minorities, including Christians, rights groups say. 

About 2,500 peope are said to be in jail or to face charges for 
blasphemy. 

From: the fine Italian guy
To: John
Subject: reply
Date: Sun Oct 28 06:34:39 2001

Message:
Say, John, was that YOU who sent those long postings about 
"American terrorism" with the nicknames John, cool and good
thinker??
If not, what do you you have to ironize about my piece?


From: radio europe
To: worldie
Subject: who?
Date: Sun Oct 28 07:25:23 2001

Message:
WHO are you, preaching darkness, calling for holy wars?

WHO are you, bringing destruction and poverty upon your own in the name of god?

WHO are you, preaching racism and inequality of women, ignorance and your own 
religeous and intellectual superiority?

WHO are you, indoctrinating your children against other beliefs and races and calling them 
to war?

WHO are you, always in the shadow, never showing your face?

WHO are you, evil enough to convince your followers to die for you, keeping them 
impoverished and dumb, exploiting their frustrations and ignorance?


YOU are darkness itself, trying to personify god in the most perverse of manners.

YOU caused the miseries of Kasmir, Indonesia, Ambon, Chechnia, Philipines, Iraq, 
Pakistan and Afghanistan.

YOU are evil, calling evil upon you, only to do more evil.

YOU have many names, some of great and perverse power.

YOU are evil, your belief should be banned, because it is a reversal of culture, an illness 
to mankind and it maybe the end of it.



WE knew you were coming, we are now only waiting for you to finally speak up the 
same filth you are preaching to your followers; time to finally show your face to us.

WE should slam the door on you now, stop negociating with you; any of your states, 
governed by religious laws should be thrown out of the United Nations, as of  not today 
but 50 years ago. 

WE shouln't even threat your lives; they should be taken efficiently and silently and 
handed back to god for the better of our world.

WE should give a Nobel prize to Salman Rushdie...

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sun Oct 28 07:14:05 2001

Message:
For one thing, when the U.S. military trained these 
buttheads; it was a "horrible era" in
the U.S. military history and U.S. history in general.
For second thing--"flashbacks" are for people who use LSD.
For third thing, NYC----false.
For forth thing, it's not a new found anger ---just one that I've 
tried to keep under control. One that I have to ask Jesus to 
forgive me for. One that I've had for the planes blown up, the 
people in wheelchairs bullied and killed. The suicide 
bombers. The USS Cole.
The list that goes on and on--doesn't it.

The story I posted above is true. Cold maybe---but none the 
less, True.It's how these foreigners presented themselfs to 
us.
It was something that I had no intention of posting on this 
site (for I would have six weeks ago if so); but when I seen 
these assholes marching
towards the afghanistan boarder---I said "fuck it"--the gloves 
are coming off. Angry ?--YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS I AM !
I personally like the idea of dropping the U.S. flags as I 
posted earlier.

From: Me
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 08:26:15 2001

Message:

From: Cool Motherfucker
To: Fuckwit Americans
Subject: Fuckwit Americans
Date: Sun Oct 28 08:48:24 2001

Message:
Guess what?  Those rag heads have beaten your stupid asses.
Welcome to the world of mediocrity!!!
Greece, Rome, France, England, Germany, Russia, IRAQ all know 
what it feels like to be taken down.

NOW THE US DOES TOO

Except you fools needed to be beaten twice by insignificant 
nations.

Long live Afghanistan!!!

Long live Vietnam!!!

You American cowards should get your pudgy hands dirty and send 
in your fat marines if you are so sure that they wont get 
ANNIHILATED!!

From: Interested American
To: Italian Guy, John, Spy
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:04:23 2001

Message:
Good work. I know a lot of thought went into these posts more 
than some of these Islamic Bastards have ever done in their 
whole lives.
After all objective reasoning is not what the Taliban are known 
for.
Keep up the fine work

From: an Italian guy
To: Simon
Date: Sun Oct 28 08:49:33 2001

Message:
Yeah, ALL WARS are horrific for all sides involved, and this 
must be recognised & never repeated - and go and explain this 
concept to talibans.

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:06:59 2001

Message:
Hey Ashraf------if you"re are still out there, I'm wondering if 
you have been able to do anything yet.
Have you been able to tell the authorities any important 
information yet ?
You said you could "get to bin laden"-----whatzup? 

From: Spy
To: Cool Motherfucker
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:16:37 2001

Message:
We'll fuck you sandniggers up good boy---well spend every 
last cent ta do it if we have to. Then well take your fuckin' 
money and spend every last cent of it to off your dog asses.
We'll use every fuckin' nuke if we have to you fuckin' sun 
dried piece of  camel shit.

From: Spy
To: Cool Motherfucker
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:25:19 2001

Message:
When we get done with your kind---you'll be known as
"sandblasted glassniggers"



DEADMEATISRIPE !!!!!!!

From: an Italian guy
To: Cool Motherfucker
Subject: reply
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:13:27 2001

Message:
Do you know, you coward, you are one of those who best represent 
the 2 major human defects: stupidity and evil.
(What, Rome was taken down?? When?)
Well choosen, your nick.


From: Justice USA
To: John, Eagle Eye & Florida Joe
Subject: Missing in action
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:29:20 2001

Message:
John, did you like the AMERICAN BADASSES site? Will you be going 
back there?  Nice to see you there.  Sorry for cursing you out, 
but I am so filled with rage at all this shit with these sand 
niggers.  By the way, I dont mean blacks,  nigger in the 
dictionary is defined as an ignorant person.  Now as far as 
EAGLE EYE and FLORIDA JOE,  wish you would go on there and give 
your opinions on stuff as well.  It is not my site by the way, 
but loved the way it was done in camoflouge and laden wearing a 
tutu.  Anyway, having my morning oatmeal and had a good bowel 
movement, will be putting up another pot of coffee soon.  I like 
the smell of bacon and eggs and also pancakes, but gotta knock 
off a few pounds.  QUESTION FOR ALL:  JUST HOW REAL ARE THESE 
SUITCASE BOMBS THAT CAN BLOW AWAY CITIES?  It is scary as shit.  
Over and out.

From:
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:26:23 2001

Message:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Youre right.  You WILL spend every last dollar to get THEM.

I'm not Arab or Muslim fuckhead.

There are Western Nations who think America is nothing but a 
skidmark on the worlds underwear.

You pigs will get whats coming to you.  Just by reading this 
right wing crap you spout like some fucking NAZI tells me that.

Do you really think it's only Arabs??

OK.  So why has the entire world gone cold on your genocide.
I'll tell you.  You are using OUR resources like theyre going 
out of date.  That is the WORLD'S resources not yours you 
assholes.

Guns are the least effective weapon fighting this war.  
Intelligence is going to win it and that is in very short supply 
in America.  Hence you will spend all your $$$ on a fight you 
could have won without spending a cent.

Then when all your tanks runn out fuel, and plastic is a rare 
thing (plastic is made from oil so is fuel in case you stupid 
cunts think they come from a supermarket) America will run out 
friends if it hasn't already.

World opinion is based on people's hearts and souls and the US 
has neither.  Your pathetic attemp to "invade" Afghanistan just 
shows your inherent weakness.

See you at the negotiating table....  

From:
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:26:23 2001

Message:
Let me just post this again in BLACK cos we know how much you 
Turds LOVE blacks.  You may be able to convince yourself but you 
can't convince anyone else you rascist fucks

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Youre right.  You WILL spend every last dollar to get THEM.

I'm not Arab or Muslim fuckhead.

There are Western Nations who think America is nothing but a 
skidmark on the worlds underwear.

You pigs will get whats coming to you.  Just by reading this 
right wing crap you spout like some fucking NAZI tells me that.

Do you really think it's only Arabs??

OK.  So why has the entire world gone cold on your genocide.
I'll tell you.  You are using OUR resources like theyre going 
out of date.  That is the WORLD'S resources not yours you 
assholes.

Guns are the least effective weapon fighting this war.  
Intelligence is going to win it and that is in very short supply 
in America.  Hence you will spend all your $$$ on a fight you 
could have won without spending a cent.

Then when all your tanks runn out fuel, and plastic is a rare 
thing (plastic is made from oil so is fuel in case you stupid 
cunts think they come from a supermarket) America will run out 
friends if it hasn't already.

World opinion is based on people's hearts and souls and the US 
has neither.  Your pathetic attemp to "invade" Afghanistan just 
shows your inherent weakness.

See you at the negotiating table....  

From: Spy
To: Cool Motherfucker
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:47:36 2001

Message:
You'll still be a glassnigger when we're done---race won't 
matter ASSHOLE !!!!!!

From:
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:52:39 2001

Message:
A world solely inhabited by Americans 

GOD HELP US

From:
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:54:24 2001

Message:
Another thing.

Youre too scared to use the nukes.

Why didn't you nuke the Soviet Union? 

TOO SCARED!

Scared little redneck faggots.

You should be ashamed of W. HA HA HA HA HA HA

Is that the only thing he can spell is it?

Perfect.  So everyone in America can spell it properly.

Just dismantle the nukes.  They are there for a deterrent
aren't they?  Well it looks like they're past their use by date.
They failed to do their job.





From: message
To: board
Subject: message
Date: Sun Oct 28 10:00:47 2001

Message:
A world solely inhabited by Americans 

.....SO HELP US GOD !!!

From: islamx
To: all
Subject: osama
Date: Sun Oct 28 10:10:32 2001

Message:
Osama already is dying of cancer, so he doesn't mind prostitution of religion, destructon 
and innocent deaths.
You don't know what you are dealing with, it's to be taken care of now or years of misery 
are upon us. It's everywhere, it's poison, it is amongst us and it is calling itself a religion.

From: John
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: Obvious illustration of evil. Are Allah's children created solely for the selfish need fullfillment of the Usama warrior.
Date: Sun Oct 28 09:39:35 2001

Message:
EagleEye, RE: Your Nit-pik is O'K.  Facts are priority.  52 
virgins was one of the claimed numbers reported that stuck in my 
mind.  "THE 52 SIMULTANEOUS VIRGIN PARADISE SEXUAL ENGAGEMENT 
PROMISE" line is (must I say myself) is terribly creative.  With 
regard to your line: "Just sorry to hear that it took you this 
long to get on the train with the other Elderados."  I opined 
from day one in support of current and future actions undertaken 
by this Admin.  I previously expressed dissatisfaction with 
posters to this board mostly with regard to over generalizing 
and the purposeless very specific hate/evil speech.  The post 
that sticks in my mind is Joe(Florida)'s.  This definitely 
appeared to be dangerous rhetoric that served only to undermine 
this nations goals.  Taking an unpopular stand against a threat 
veiled in false patriotism, to prevent it, and to dry up support 
for, is just the right thing to do, regardless of 
misinterpretation by some.  You asked:  So what do these 
toothless opiated wastes of flesh do with these 
virtuous beauties after they've defiled them?  Good question.  
Obvious illustration of evil.  Are Allah's children created 
solely for the selfish need fullfillment of the Usama warrior.

John
E...


From: allatti2d
To: Everyone
Date: Sun Oct 28 08:21:32 2001

Message:
Hi Everyone,

I want to thank my friend for introducing me to this place.  
I've enjoyed and appreciated all the intelligent dialog here.  
Hope y'all don't mind me throwing in a couple of my thoughts.

Thanks to Simon and John E... and Missin and EagleEye, and some 
of you others (forgive me for not always remembering exactly who 
said what, but hopefully you know who you are) for contributing 
honestly and with some bits of great humor (Eagle, you should 
start a book, I think).  What I appreciate most is the way that 
the opposing viewpoints balance the discussion so well.  Some of 
you guys who are hard on John, remember that he is practicing 
the same freedoms on this board that you are; you don't have to 
agree in order to practice that freedom.  That's just my 
opinion, but hopefully you understand where I'm coming from.  
I'm a tree-loving, violence-hating, patriotic American who would 
love to have the first number to have a go at binLadin, then the 
Taliban, then Hussein, et al.  Nothing like a free woman in full-
blown PMS to take down those space-wasters.

One thing that I really wanted to comment on the most was the 
brief discussion about Rep. Barbara Lee.  When she spoke up 
against the war, I was proud -- not because I agreed with her (I 
don't!), but because Americans have the right to do so, and she 
represents a very small number of Americans who want their voice 
to be heard, even if it's a minority.  This gives much-needed 
balance to the country and keeps it from being an extremist 
nation.  Did she get shot for dissenting?  No!  Did she get 
jailed or ostracized by the government?  No.  This is who and 
what America is, and I'm proud to be an American because people 
have the RIGHT and the SAFETY (in most cases, unless you're a 
flag-burning college student) to stand up for what they believe 
in.

Barbara Lee might not have any office after this era, but I'm 
glad she had the balls to stand up and say what she believed in, 
even when there were no other Representative with her.  I live 
in Southern California, far south and a little to the right of 
Berkeley, but remember that this nation is much more diverse 
than even this state, and we might gain a lot more insight if we 
listen a little more than we talk (reminding myself of this too).

One more thing... my VERY caucasion 15-year-old son has a best 
friend whose family is from the middle-east.  They are devout, 
practicing Muslims.  They are appalled and sickened over what 
took place in NYC (and D.C. and PA) and do not believe in nor 
support the Taliban or their beliefs, or the beliefs of the 
extremist Muslims (who are not 'real' Muslims to begin with).  
They are kind, considerate, patriotic Americans, and I'm proud 
to know them and have them as dear friends.  That family was one 
of my first concerns the day after the attack, when I heard 
about scattered hate-crimes against middle-eastern Americans.  
We ARE Americans, a combination of all beliefs and all cultures 
and all races to make up ONE country, and as such we should 
stand together as ONE against hate and evil that perverse, 
insane individuals try to inflict upon us.  It wasn't just white 
people who died in the WTC and on those planes.  It isn't just 
white people fighting for our country and risking their lives to 
save our butts.

Oops, got a little carried away.  I'll stop now.  Thanks again 
to all of you for your insight and informative posts.

From: John
To: the fine Italian guy
Subject: long postings about American terrorism
Date: Sun Oct 28 10:52:30 2001

Message:
RE:  Say, John, was that YOU who sent those long postings about 
"American terrorism" with the nicknames John, cool and good
thinker??  If not, what do you you have to ironize about my 
piece?

Hi Ital..,  Absolutely NOT!  He, Cool Thinker John, posted it 
originally quite sometime ago.  His lenghty Anti-Amer terror 
piece demanded a fact filled response, point by point, item by 
item for exposer of all falsities contained.  Your response was 
quite an undertaking requiring substantial research.  I 
personally decided not to respond, as a response would have 
proved wholly inadaquate.  All points contained needed address.  
You addressed each point.  It was far from an easy undertaking.

Like I said, a piece for the hard-drive.

John
E...

From: Spy
To: Coolmartyerfucker and the too scared to post online name ass (probably one in the same mentioned before)
Date: Sun Oct 28 11:05:30 2001

Message:
It won't take a nuke to off your coward ass. Just a few well 
placed headshots.
One CIA agent should be coming your way very soon.
Something like this I imagine: 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22963936/24081118
nSyQyDwjFA

From: John
To: Spy
Date: Sun Oct 28 11:18:05 2001

Message:
The term Flashback may be used to descibe a reversion to a drug 
incident.  My reference was to a reversion to an incident of 
great horror, such as post trauma being experienced by many 
closer to the attack, and some of us who only witnessed it via 
TV.  I didn't say "new found" anger.  I said newly developed 
anger since your last post.

For defense of my own mind I guess I sheild myself from the 
emotion attached to the attrocities committed by these evil 
things.  I, in my time, like most who live, have had forced on 
oneself experiences one would never choose to revive or relive.  
A defense mechanism of non-acceptance.  I know the evil is 
there.  I'll do all possible to assist and support action to 
repell and destroy it.  I just won't live it.  In a way, for me, 
and probably all of us here, this is partially how we fight 
back, by posting our opinions and suggestions here.  The venting 
is good too. spec yours.

"JUST HAD THE FOURTH EARTHQUAKE IN NINE DAYS."  This one 3.7 
Another worry, and this worries closer to home 4 me.

J
E...







From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: BreakingNews
Date: Sun Oct 28 11:28:12 2001

Message:
One enemy agent surfaces; ISP currently being tracked 
down and should be located within a "relativity short time";
as stated by inside sources who choose to remain 
anonymous.
Agent identifies that one going by code name "Cool 
Motherfucker" should be in custody within hours.
Source says "not considered much of a threat, but their 
computer hard-drive could prove valuble." 

From: John
To: All
Date: Sun Oct 28 11:50:17 2001

Message:
Dog reference revival needed please!  Venting period begins.

John
E...

From: EagleEye
To: Simon
Date: Sun Oct 28 06:38:21 2001

Message:
"What would the Afghans, a people that have 
been at war for the past twenty years do with any money they are 
given? Use it to buy food? Or arms?"

Uhhhhh hello .... doubt we're just going to cut a blank check or 
send greenbacks straight over.

Things that come to mind are infrastructure related:

Communications systems
Irrigation Systems
Farming Technology
Poppy Crop Subsidies
Schools - real ones - not the Madrasses bullshit
Hospitals, Health and Human Services
Power and Energy infrastructure
Housing Construction

This place cant remain a UN handout eternally.  I diubt your 
going to see a flood of American comapnies sending people over 
there anytime soon.  and neighboring countries like Saudi 
Arabia, Pakistan et al wont be doing it all for free.

Hrrrmmmmm..... what a great opportunity for all the palastinian 
newly un-employed to go get work.

From: John
To: ESD
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:00:40 2001

Message:
Truth with regard.  Please, references will jeopardize future 
operations.

J
E...

I'm serious

From: the E.S.D.
To:
Subject: BreakingNews
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:19:44 2001

Message:
CNN:10/28/01
CNN reporting CIA will be killing ones suspected of being
terorrist.Said "this should speed up the war on terorrism"

Editorial:
theE.S.D. feels this is a positive move and much needed 
reversal from previous past policies.

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:26:47 2001

Message:
Eagle, do you think America should have a hand in rebuilding 
Afghanistan's infrastructure and government?  Should it be a 
global effort?  What do you think would happen after that's 
accomplished, and what kind of maintenance might they need after 
they've established something reasonably workable?

I'm learning a lot more about political diplomacy now, and all 
the intricacies of working with other governments and cultures.  
What a headache.

From: Spy
To: Cool (soon to be stone cold dead ) Motherfucker
Subject: re:My previous post;ESD post;CNN reports:
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:32:44 2001

Message:
"have a nice day" 

From: EagleEye
To: unCool needle dick BugFucker
Subject: More western Euro Trash
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:01:01 2001

Message:
Un-Cool,

For being an American Hater - your english and sentence 
construction is rather exemplary.  Did you get a stellar 
education on Uncle Sam's dime too you little groveling driblle 
down your mothers $.50 a blowjob leg?

Whats so funny about you elitist euro wankers is your Ass 
Backwards fucking excuse of a country HAS to rely on petroleum.  
Us Yanks could give a fuck less about burning up all you dumb 
fucks resources.  Your so fucking stupid for letting US do it.  
We'll use up all your shit, then use our vast intellectual 
superiority to quickly develop a fuel alternative.  You dildo up 
the ass GREEN US Hating Euros will be sitting there with your 
below average size peckers in hands wondering what to do.

Why should we spend our time and energy developing alternatives 
when the dumb fuck arabs and Euro's like you allow the willing 
to sell their oil owned souls so cheap.  We know we can do it, 
its just cheaper to waste your resources cock up the ass - got a 
clue yet.  I laff my fucking ass off everytime I fill up my 2000 
Ford Excursion.  I think of a stupid Arab peasant getting fucked 
up his ass by a Royal Camel everytime I fill'er up too.  Then I 
imagine the speed bumps I take at 20 -30 MPH are GREEN WEENIES 
LIKE YOU.  Problem is - John wont let me even consider your kids 
being in the fanatasy, but I hope to get to you before you've 
bred - if you even have a pecker left - seeing as its been 
rammed in a TRRE know so many times.

After we develop our fuel alternative - you skidmarks in your 
mommies size 40 BVD's are gonna see us at the bargaining table 
all right fucker - on your knees ..... wishing George W. would 
let you flick the tip of his dick with your tongue.  We will own 
your dumb asses then wont we.  

Plastic recycles just fine asshole-  and with all the wind we'll 
generate from nuking that shit hole you live in, we'll be able 
to store enough power for a millenium.

un-cool-  have it your way ..... dont use any amercian products, 
dont use the english language to communicate  -use your native 
tongue - if its not too busy up a dogs ass, and be sure to post 
where the fuck people like you live, and call home.  We'll do 
our part over here to make sure you get no more:

Medical Technology to save the lives of your fellow Oxygen 
wasting pukes.

Medicine
Next time you have a natural dsaster - dont hold your hand out - 
cuz we're going to chop it off with a butcher knife.
Dont send yourself or offspring to this country for any reason - 
especially to get an education - or to try and marry our 
superior race of women and men.
Basically you use your countries resources, and we'll just use 
ours - we'll see who wants to come to the bargaining table 
first - you elitist 12 yr old fool.

USA will crush everyone of you fuckers if we have to.  And soon 
enuff un-cool - you little swine - the other students are your 
campus are going to find you, and when they do - Hope you have 
the balls to back up your mouth then - I doubt it.


--------------------------------------

Too lazy to change posting above:

but after a few more reads of un-cool MotherwasaBUTTFucker - its 
apparent [it] is not a Euro, but a very Amercian cunt, too 
afraid to admit their tree hugging traiterous drivel is 
originating in the US of A.  Too many slang saying that are 
waaay to close to home. [supermarket, cunt, ......]


From: EagleEye
To: allati2d
Subject: rebuilding .......
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:00:26 2001

Message:
Who the fuck always does it?  Pretty sure the World will be 
expecting us to.  Though Russia got to blow the living shit out 
if it, and well .... what did they do for the Afghani's 
afterwords - not that any Muslim Arab camel ass mounter would 
have accepted it, nor did they [USSR] have ability to do 
anything.


From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:03:15 2001

Message:
Never mind, please don't respond to my questions.  You're too 
pissed off.  I couldn't understand your last post.

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:10:42 2001

Message:
Oops, I meant I couldn't understand the long post you wrote 
above, with the Subject: More western Euro Trash. 

From: USA
To: Stupid Targets!
Subject: Move you dumb asses!
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:56:21 2001

Message:
I am sick and tired of hearing about Afghan civilians dying,  If 
they are dumb enough to stay in Afghanistan, then if they die 
GOOD! cause they are probably helping the Taliban or married to 
one of them.  To me they are not civilians they are the enemy!  
The same things go fo any of these protester being killed, they 
are the enemy!  All of them that want to cross the Pakistan 
border to help their jihad brothers fight, let them go and as 
soon as they cross the border, shoot them, mutilate them, they 
are the enemy!  If the USA was invaded I would send my family 
away to somewhere safe(women and children only) the rest of us 
would stay and fight.  I would not let them live next to a 
target like the Taliban stupid fucks.  It is the extremist 
Muslims that are turning this into a holy war,  how many 
christians do you think you will have to kill before the Pope 
says GO? 

From: John
To: Eagle
Subject: book in you
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:09:33 2001

Message:
Eagle, there's an inventive, poignant, straightforward (no 
spin), and banter filled (from the American perspective), for 
the times, book in you.  It's really hilarious.  LOL  Though I 
doubt humor is your goal.

J
E...

From: John
To: USA
Subject: Pope says:
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:28:08 2001

Message:
Catholic's have Popes support.  Dateline September 27, Pope 
prays for peace in Uzbekistan.  Amongst prayers Pope 
says: "There is such a thing as a just war"  (reference = self 
defense.

J
E...

From: J
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:37:32 2001

Message:
Enemy strikes begin again.  Muslim terrorist bomb explodes at 
food court in Phillipines killing six.  developing...

From: allatti2d
To: John
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:28:07 2001

Message:
John, don't be so cynical.  I wanted to have some kind of dialog 
with EagleEye to see his perspective, which is why I asked him 
some questions.  I don't agree with everything he's posted, but 
I like how he writes and can see some of the things he says that 
have incredibly unique truth and blatant honesty underneath.  He 
can speak very intelligently and it's laced with some pretty 
stark humor that I've enjoyed while reading this board.  In 
serious discussions and even in angry discussions, there is 
nothing I appreciate more than some blazing and unexpected 
humor.  I'm glad he added that, and I hope some time to have a 
discussion with the man.

By the way, to the poster "USA" -- I don't want to be included 
in the group you claim to represent.  I understand what you're 
saying, but I'm a gal and I'd be happy to be out on the front 
lines, rather than stuck away in hiding.  I think my kids would 
want a shot at the terrorists too, but then again they are 
teenagers.  Thanks anyway, though.

From: J
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:44:08 2001

Message:
As reported by Drudge:
QUAKE SWARM IN LOS ANGELES: COMPUTER REPORTING 25 QUAKES IN 
HOUR... BIGGEST: 3.7 MAG; 3.0 MAG AFTERSHOCK...
SHAKE MAP... 

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/Los_Angeles_full.html

Startin to REALLY worry me.

J


From:
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:08:33 2001

Message:
"Guess what?  Those rag heads have beaten your stupid asses.
Welcome to the world of mediocrity!!!"

Typical spineless jellyfish - you have an interesting definition 
of victory, or defeat.  My govt still functions, flag is still 
flying, religions and non religions are still being practiced in 
America - and most importantly I can fill up my American Made 
fossil fuel burning combustion engine vehicle and drive to the 
local shopping center - go to a middle eastern restaurant - shit 
in the "toilet" - wipe and NOT flush - leave and go enjoy a good 
ol american hamburger, where I squeeze the Ketchup on my fries 
out of a shit load of little plastic packages ... MMMMMM Goood!

"Greece, Rome, France, England, Germany, Russia, IRAQ all know 
what it feels like to be taken down."

But only you know what it feels like to go down on your mother - 
motherfucker.  Bet you especially liked the Greeks story.

"NOW THE US DOES TOO"

Your obvious lack of historical knowledge seems to neglect 
American history prior to the last 20 years - therefore its 
likley to conclude your not much older than that - or the turd I 
unloaded this am, and named after you.  Do your people still 
wipe their shitstained assholes with their hands and leaves - or 
do you use that great American invention - toilet paper?  Do you 
use another Ameican invention - the toilet or do you still 
fucking shit and piss in a public hole.  Ohh you intellectually 
advanced maggot turd.

Maybe you forgot about that little Japaneese incident in Hawaii 
in the 40's - you camel cock loving simpleton.  Bet the 
Japaneese werent shouting victory then or after "the bombs".

"Except you fools needed to be beaten twice by insignificant 
nations."

I cant count how many times you other western nations have had 
your dumb fucking asses kicked.  If your father wasnt such a 
lazy fuck and your muther forced to be a hooker - they could 
have spent a bit more time educating you in FACTUAL history 
instead of mythology.

"Long live Afghanistan!!! / Long live Vietnam!!!"

Yaaaaawn - long live the swine sperm that is making its way to 
attempt fertilization in your mothers womb - may she be the 
first human to incubate a real swine - it'd be an improvement 
over you - a failed abortion.

"You American cowards should get your pudgy hands dirty and send 
in your fat marines if you are so sure that they wont get 
ANNIHILATED!!"

Better yet - send your jihad army over here, and we'll see who 
gets annihilated.  You dumb ass guerrilla fucks keep wanting to 
compare our highly trained professional armies to the 
dilapedated Russian conscript army of twenty yrs ago - keep 
under-estimating fucker - GI Joe gonna off you skiiny little 
fukz and your donkeys.  Like I keep saying - off em all.  Fuck 
them.  The more bombing mistakes the merrier.  Sure would be 
nice if GI Joe had more of a target to shoot at other than an 
emaciated, opiated skeleton that calls itself a human.  Ever see 
an Arab | Afghani puke runt fire a real gun? 1 Word - recoil!  

Wonder how tuff they be without US supplied weapons this time?  
Funny how these Baaaadaaaass Jihide douche bags are chillin in 
the mosques schools and bazaars with the civi's - so warrior 
like, strong and noble.  Only thing making this war difficult is 
coming up with a reason or enuff excuses for killing the fucking 
POS civi's and the Towel-e-bam - since they are one in the same.

Buuuwwwahahhahhahhahhahaaa

From:
To: all
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:31:27 2001

Message:
Ya all should go and take a peek at: www.afga.com to look at 
things from another point of view.
Ah, and I do think: www.bushfordummies.com is funny!
Might fresh up the messages for this board a little, it has 
become too in-bred. 

From: John
To: allatti2d
Subject: John, don't be so cynical
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:49:51 2001

Message:
My dear allatti2d,

You may want to look up the dictionary words you do not 
recognize.  I was in no way being cynical of his work, but 
applauding his product.

J
E...


From: EagleEye
To: un-cool failed abortion
Subject: above post from with love - asshole
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:51:52 2001

Message:
do you comprehend shit for brains?

From: EagleEye
To: allatti2d
Subject: Your questions......
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:59:59 2001

Message:
allatti2d - the euro trash commentary was designated for someone 
else - a supposed Euro [CoolMutherFucker is his handle] who 
railed US - its policy, president and reveled in the deaths of 
those americans killed in the recent terror attacks.  The 
reality is - his bantor is too americanized to be euro - or he 
spends too much time concerning his self with american matters 
reading, speaking, and writing a country's language he abhors.

From: Fuck Irag
To: John
Subject: What quake? In LA?
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:51:45 2001

Message:
Are you SURE these are just quakes?  How do we know it is not 
some other bullshit?  John, Please get on here as soon as 
poosbile.  Goddamit to hell.  What the fuck is happening to our 
bebeautiful America?  We need a fucken chat room on this 
motherfucker!  John, you forget the plerubis.   GET BACK HERE ON 
HERE NOW~

From: Fuck Irag
To: John
Subject: What quake? In LA?
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:51:45 2001

Message:
Are you SURE these are just quakes?  How do we know it is not 
some other bullshit?  John, Please get on here as soon as 
poosbile.  Goddamit to hell.  What the fuck is happening to our 
bebeautiful America?  We need a fucken chat room on this 
motherfucker!  John, you forget the plerubis.   GET BACK HERE ON 
HERE NOW~

From: allatti2d
To: John
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:03:05 2001

Message:
John, I have m-w.com saved in my favorites for times when I want 
to make sure I'm being succinct.  I'm kinda anal that way, for 
better or for worse.  I made my cynical comment in reference to 
your "Though I doubt humor is your [EagleEye's] goal" remark, 
mostly because I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not, 
so I thought I'd err on the side of sarcasm.

As an aside, I'm assuming you are an Angelino, as I just saw 
your link to the quake map when I refreshed the screen.  I 
wouldn't worry if I were you, though I'm sure with everything 
else going on in the world it's just more fray to the nerves.  
How long have you lived here?  I've spent most of my life in 
L.A. County, and after a while I just learned to ride the 
earthquakes like surfers ride waves.  I haven't felt any of 
today's quakes, partly because I'm way up in northern L.A. 
County right now, and partly because the kids were watching The 
Matrix with the stereo system up pretty loud, so my house was 
rumbling anyway.  Hope you're doing fine.

From: allatti2d
To: F. Irag
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:20:36 2001

Message:
Yeah, they're just quakes.  We're used to em out here, mostly.  
Panties are still unwadded.  Thanks for your concern. :)

From: Justica USA
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: You should have your own board too
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:14:08 2001

Message:
I really love EVERYTHING you post.  I am having another baby bin 
bastard barbecue this afternoon along with a NICE TALL GLASS 
DRINK OF OLE USA.  We really should have a chat room on this 
motherfucker and the moderator should also do some shit with the 
background.  I live near GROUND ZERO and it is still upsetting 
me to see this.  Put some fucken dogs on this mother fucker.  
How about a cartoon of a dog fucken ASSMAMA in the asshola?  I 
am proud to be a NEW YORKER.  Fuck the towelheads.  Did you know 
Eagle Eye, that the local Dunkin Donuts where I live was closed 
down the day of the attacks?  It seems that the fucker that 
owned it had a bunch of them and all were closed down.  Word on 
the street is that he was connected to the scumbag Assmama.  
Fucken scary shit, but not as scary as pissed off New Yorkers.  

From: Justica USA
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: You should have your own board too
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:14:08 2001

Message:
I really love EVERYTHING you post.  I am having another baby bin 
bastard barbecue this afternoon along with a NICE TALL GLASS 
DRINK OF OLE USA.  We really should have a chat room on this 
motherfucker and the moderator should also do some shit with the 
background.  I live near GROUND ZERO and it is still upsetting 
me to see this.  Put some fucken dogs on this mother fucker.  
How about a cartoon of a dog fucken ASSMAMA in the asshola?  I 
am proud to be a NEW YORKER.  Fuck the towelheads.  Did you know 
Eagle Eye, that the local Dunkin Donuts where I live was closed 
down the day of the attacks?  It seems that the fucker that 
owned it had a bunch of them and all were closed down.  Word on 
the street is that he was connected to the scumbag Assmama.  
Fucken scary shit, but not as scary as pissed off New Yorkers.  

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:37:57 2001

Message:
Eagle, thanks for your response explaining your post somewhat.  
I was thrown off by your apparent attack on Europe.  I'm not 
quite sure what to make of you after that post.  I hope you were 
just venting and not trashing a whole continent.  I'm not sure 
what to make of you because at times I really dig what you have 
to say and at other times you almost seem to come across as 
totally ignorant or hateful.  I don't know which is the real you.

From: Spy
To: "nameless coward piece of dead dog fucking {:@( cum sucking,running out your nose; too lazy to even wipe your doggie ass satan whore"
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:11:46 2001

Message:
Step outside into the sunlight and start spouting your lies
in public mister dogshit for brains.
No---you couldn't do that ,could you; you diarrhea test tube 
baby.
CAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING COWARD HIDING IN THE 
DARK!
Like all you terorrist---when GOD was handing out brains, 
and BALLS------you was too busy sucking satan's dick.

How many pups did your beagle mom have?----appparently 
you were stillborn. Revived by the powers of satan.
Step outside you doggie whore------WE'LL SAVE THE CIA 
THE TROUBLE OF TAKING YOU OUT !!!!!!

From: John
To: allatti2d
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:33:36 2001

Message:
allatti2d,
I'm a newbie (3 yrs).  But, I've been in the epicenter of ALL 
the modestly significant (3.0) and greater.  I've been 
accurately predicting events for some years now, mostly and 
including market directions, including crude oil pricing.  My 
predictions have, for the most part been faulted only by time 
frame.  I've been off, predicting months in advance (too early) 
of event happening.  Needless to say, I predicted a major quake 
a little over a year ago.  I'm concerned.

No sarcasm meant for Eagle, just belief he may focus on 
poignance 1st, bantor 2nd.

*****

F@#k Iraq,
You don't want me to tell you.  You'd be afraid to go outdoors.

John
E...   <----- (abbreviation)

I'm outta cigs, gotta go see my Pak friend.

From: an Italian guy
To: John
Subject: reply
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:43:27 2001

Message:
OK John  :)

From: Spy
To: Cool (soon to be stone cold dead ) Motherfucker // "nameless coward piece of dead dog fucking {:@( cum sucking,running out your nose; too lazy to even wipe your doggie ass satan whore"
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:52:30 2001

Message:
{:@(         {:@(          {:@(


O---------for the entrance hole of the bullet that kills him
S---------for the shit that flows through his veins
A---------for the giant of a dog ass he is
M--------for the dog that was his mother {:-(
A--------for omar's ass where osama keeps his tongue 
warm

B-------for the camel dung breath
I--------for the intestines of a dog he has for a heart
N------for the very big dog nose{:@( 

L------for such a spiritual loser
A------for the goat ass that forms his lips
D------for the dog dung for brains
E------for the exit wound that kills him
N------for the nuts that follow him


{:@(         {:@(          {:@(



O---------for the oral sex he gives his trusty camel
S---------for suckering the taliban
A---------for the afghan dogs he sleeps with
M--------for the dog that was his mother {:-(
A--------for used asswipe he packs up his nose

B-------for big dog hasBeen
I--------for disgracing Islam
N------for the very big dog nose{:@( 

L------for the dog pack leader he is
A------for the dog asses that forms his eyesockets
D------for the dog he prays to
E------for the entry wound that kills him
N------for not to be taken alive




{:@(         {:@(          {:@(




O---------for the outcast of country and family
S---------for doggie cum stains in his beard
A---------for the ashes of his dog ass carcass
M--------for his doggie face mother {:-(
A--------for America who will kill him

B-------for the doggie breast that weened him
I--------for practicing satanism and calling it Islam
N------for the very, very big dog nose{:@( 

L------for the link between him and saddam
A------for the ass of a dog he be
D------for dyslexia and confusing dog with God    
E------for the entry and exit wounds that kill him
N------for napalm up his dog ass 




{:@(         {:@(          {:@(




O---------for occult forces within him
S---------for satan who backs him
A---------for satan's second face,which is satan's ass,whom 
o.b.l. swaps spit
M--------for his doggie face mother {:-(
A--------for the asses of dogs he licks

B-------for the beagle cum that spawned him
I--------for insulting Islam
N------for the very, very---huge dog nose{:@( 

L------for the link between him and saddam and hezbola 
dogs
A------for asshole;biggie doggie asshole
D------for dyslexia and confusing dog with God,and God with 
dog    
E------for the entry and exit wounds that kill him and all 
followers
N------for noballs asshole,put everyone elses neck on the 
line,coward yellow dog 





{:@(         {:@(          {:@(




O---------for occult forces he's slave to
S---------for satan's six six six campaigne 
A---------for satan's ass he sucks
M--------for his dog face martyrfuckers {:-(
A--------for the smelly yellow taliban leader assholes

B-------for the women he beats
I--------for insult to mankind
N------for the very,very---huge;full of goat dung,dog nose{:@( 

L------for the link between him and saddam and hezbola 
dogs.---radical yellow dogs
A------for arrogant fool
D------for his DEATH     
E------for the entry and exit wounds that kill him;and all 
followers;and would be leaders like him
N------for nothing worth anything to mankind-----birds-----or 
dogs 




{:@(         {:@(          {:@(

O---------for the oral sex he gives his trusty camel
S---------for doggie cum stains in his beard
A---------for satan's second face,which is satan's ass,whom 
o.b.l. swaps spit
M--------for his dog face martyrfuckers {:-(
A--------for the asses of dogs he licks

B-------for the beagle cum that spawned him
I--------for practicing satanism and calling it Islam
N------for the very,very---huge;full of goat dung,dog nose{:@( 

L------for the link between him and saddam and hezbola 
dogs.---radical yellow dogs
A------for the dog assholes that forms his eyesockets
D------for dyslexia and confusing dog with God,and God with 
dog 
E------for the end of his dog life (301 years in doggie years)
N------for noballs asshole,put everyone elses neck on the 
line,coward yellow dog 




{:@(         {:@(          {:@(

O---------for offspring between dogs
S---------for his people he starves
A---------for his asshole followers
M--------for his dog face martyrfuckers {:-(
A--------for the asses of dogs he screws

B-------for his burning skeletal remains
I--------for marching over his deboweled intestines
N------for the very,very huge dog nose{:@( 

L------for the lack of love
A------for anti-Islam;anti-Christ;anti-human
D------for dyslexia and confusing dog with God,and God with 
dog 
E------for the end of his dog life (301 years in doggie years)
N------for his dog nose up omars dog ass



                       {:@(         osama dog bin laden
                        {;-(          one eye taliban dog omar

       al-qaeda dogs
{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

          taliban yellow dogs

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

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{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

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{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(

{:-(        {:-(         {:-(       {:-(        {:-(         {:-(           {:-(



T-------tits of a dog 
A-------ass of a dog
L-------legs of a dog
I--------intestines of a dog
B-------bones of a dog
A-------arf of a dog
N-------neck of a dog

From: allatti2d
To: John
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:57:14 2001

Message:
Don't worry.  Better yet, don't predict too much.  Surprises are 
usually more fun than worries.  If it happens, it happens; if it 
doesn't, it doesn't.  Live in the now, and all that Southern 
California crapola.

Oh, and grab me a pack of Marlboro U-Lights 100s while you're 
out, wouldya?

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: Smoking
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:07:27 2001

Message:
Grab me a pack of Camels---I feel like "smokin' some 
Camels------
(sorry for being a little rough with you before---anger you 
know)
Also---don't worry---God Bless.

From: WeakViking
To: America
Subject: We are getting sick....
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:27:46 2001

Message:
There are some messages here that really sickens me, and if 
theese thoughts, is common among Americans, (like lets just kill 
all muslims+nuke aghanistan,the higher deathtoll the 
better++++++)then I simply have no choice than to hate America. 
Fortunately i know it isnt so.What is so sad that these people 
doenst know "it isnt so" in Afghanistan I hope the people this 
post regarding are on heavvy meds or are in a shock some way or 
another. Lets just kill every body in the world who doesnt 
understand a fckin shite. Like you racict assholes. The 
international society(western) is questioning wether the ongoing 
bombing of Afganisthan is a smart move or not. Personaly i feel 
that action must be done. One way or another, in Afghanistan 
bombs are probably the only way to destabilize. But when we 
(outside america) agree with the actions taken. We excpect 
americans to not behave like baboons scratching their crotch 
grunting Nuke Afghan, killemall. You make me puke Shitheads

From: an Italian guy
To: all
Subject: comments
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:59:33 2001

Message:
They have done a slaughter in a Christian church in Pakistan. 
Worthy of the talibans. I'm wondering if this is going to get to 
the new "trend"...

From: EagleEye
To: allatit2d
Subject: Euro comments
Date: Sun Oct 28 14:56:08 2001

Message:
I appreciate europeans a great deal - except that increasingly 
growing faction of US hating euro's that continually BLAME USA 
for all the worlds ills.  

Are mirrors that rare over there?

Most of these - like Cool Muther - are hypocritical little 
freshly graduated from Berkley-esque facilities of higher 
leraning, and never yet spent a day in reality.  I have a real 
problem with the elitist intellectuals - with soft supple hands -
who are using all the devices - developed by the country they 
despise to live there miserable little wasted lives.

IE - uncool mutha' comments about plastics .... guess his MAC is 
the new version made of wood with no electronics.  So funny to 
here these short sighted pea brains discuss petroleum's evils as 
they step onto the train, light their grits with a plastic 
lighter, type on their plastic keyboard, and slap on their gnat 
sized petroleum based condems for their man-boy love sessions.

Hey un-Cool MutherwasaButtfucker ..... here's an american 
organization you'll be proud of - NAMBLA.  Enjoy your homework 
assignment college "boy".

If it wasnt for the US finding a USE for oil - the fucking 
ragheads would have no power or money - no oil -nuthing but 
ALLAH and the KornHole-oran.  On that note - I cant help but 
feel joy knowing that NASCAR | DRAG | INDI Open Wheel racing - 
likely the utmost blatant waste of petroleum on the planet is 
going on in full force and effect.  Oh gawd it feels good to be 
an american - plundering all those pooooor euro's resources - 
paid for by the blood of inncocnet iraqis and afghans .... 
oooohhh  ALL that burning rubber [made from petroleum], all that 
burning high octane fuel poisening the ozone layer [ 
buwahahahahahahahahahaaa - what a laffer], all thouse thousands 
in the stands using paper and plastic as if there is no 
tomorrow.  Oh how glorious it is to squander those other 
pathetic bastards resources, just because we can, just because 
we're smarter, wealthier, and far more powerful.  Get the point 
CoolMutha-green weenie a-hole. Your pathetic schooldgirl whining 
about the enviro and resources is old news and well ..... fuck 
off too bad.

But back to europe .... Sorry allatit2d - Im having a hard time 
focusing today - just so much material for the unCool one - I 
cant resist.  

Im additionally fed up with the elitist euro bastards spewing 
about the superior intellectual, and unbiased news they get, and 
how US citizens are all brainwashed to think USA is great and 
wonderful, and that the media is controlled by the govt yada 
yada yada ......

From: Spy
To: an Italian guy {:@( osama dog bin laden {;-( one eye taliban dog omar al-qaeda dogs {:-( {:-( {:-( {:-( {:-( {:-( {:-( {:-( {:-(
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:21:38 2001

Message:
Could make mosques wide open also---

From: Spy
To: an Italian guy
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:25:00 2001

Message:
Sorry---my browser fucked up somehow with the "To:"

From: The Cuzz
To: All
Subject: The Retaliation
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:13:34 2001

Message:
Allatti2ud, You may recognize who I am. I am not at all appalled 
by the attitudes that many of those posting have taken here. I 
have been there abd done that also. I went through the Vietnam 
thing and was not at all pleased with the way that it turned 
out. I can say that all this bitterness though will come to no 
good. Re-acting as many of you are is only lowering yourselves 
to the same level that those who perpetrated the acts of 9-11-
01, which is one of the goals of these terrorist. They figure 
that if they upset us enough that we will not think straight and 
that we will retaliate in a manner that is more in keeping with 
their goals. 
     War is a horrible thing regardless of whose's standpoint 
that you view it from. We must do all within our power to 
protect the women and children of our nation and Afghanistan. I 
know also that we cannot ill-afford to let what has conspired at 
the hands of Osama Bin Laden go unanswered.. I believe that the 
United States and it's Allies are answering in the most logical 
way. We must be supportive of them and hope for the better.

     Being upset is perfectly okay guys and gals, but lets not 
let it cloud our minds and memories. Remember that we are 
AMERICANS and that WE SHALL OVERCOME.

From: an Italian guy
To: the nameless green and black above
Subject: reply
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:20:54 2001

Message:
A stupid worm like you can only believe so much bullshit.

From: Spy
To: WeakViking
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:29:39 2001

Message:
Okay ---- lets all have a picnic with ham sandwiches with dill 
pickles and some raseberry kool-aid to wash it all down.
Hey---"all is forgiven"----maybe we can just have a game of  
croquette and knock some wooden balls around.

From: John
To: Spy & Weak Viking
Subject: "all is forgiven"
Date: Sun Oct 28 15:49:59 2001

Message:
I suggest Cricket, the only Taliban permitted sport.  A sport 
funded by, and world competition sought by the Taliban.  The 
logic is so sick.  Somehow they believed the Game (world 
tournaments) would enhance the worlds view of them.

Of course games were scheduled only for execution dark days.


J
E...

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sun Oct 28 16:07:42 2001

Message:
Good one :-) ----did ya grab my camels? Need a smoke.

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Sun Oct 28 16:11:08 2001

Message:
Thanks for the heads-up, Eagle.  I've been known to get carried 
away even worse than you do sometimes when I'm very upset.  I 
was raised the only girl with brothers, and learned my 
sailorspeech very young.  Lately I've been trying to turn my 
emotion and anger into productive action to accomplish better 
things, and that mostly works (depending on what I'm mad about).

The one thing that pisses me off most is ignorance, and I 
wouldn't be spending my Sunday here if I didn't see a few people 
with pretty decent things to say, more than just hateful 
fantasies and ugly language.  I more than understand the anger 
and the passion that is arising in everyone, but I hope that 
does not lead to evil deeds as victims, but rather to strength 
and camaraderie in justice.  

A couple of weeks after I cooled off enough from the attacks, I 
called the Marines to find out how to enlist.  Turns out I 
missed my opportunity by three years (they stop at age 30 for 
some reason!).  There are things I can do here to fight in other 
ways, such as supporting the economy and raising my kids and 
giving blood and volunteering, even though I wish someone would 
teach me how to use a big gun, put a coat on me and send me to 
the caves of Afghanistan.  But there are many other ways to 
fight this battle, and a large part of it has to do with our 
home and keeping it strong and healthy, and keeping our freedoms 
intact.  Otherwise, what would we be fighting for?

(Hey, John, did you pick me up that pack?)

From: Justice USA
To: John, eagle, etc.
Subject: How about TOSS THE TALIBAN HEADS AROUND?
Date: Sun Oct 28 16:32:01 2001

Message:
That would make a SUPER game.  Toss their heads around like 
volleyball.  How are we sure that Bin Laden really has cancer?  
If he doesnt perhaps we can give it to him.  He is ONE 
motherfucker that deserves to have this disease and die a very 
slow and painful death with absolutely no painkillers.  How 
could ONE MONSTER have so much control over the Taliban in this 
day and age?  Anyone want Kit Kat Candy or Reese's peanut butter 
cups?  I got about five of em here and am willing to share.  
Heard on another board, that they just arrested some biology 
student in the USA that worked for bin laden.  Hope it is TRUE 
and not a rumor.  Over and out.  ROses are red and knives are 
black, want to see one sticking out of AssMama's back....

From: John
To: Spy et al
Subject: 2001 Taliban Cricket Team
Date: Sun Oct 28 16:01:23 2001

Message:
The joke was humorous - but, I'm not kidding about these evil 
whacko's.  They really do, or did play competition cricket.

Reuters:  War or not, Afghanistan will play cricket.

KARACHI, Pakistan -- Despite facing an imminent attack from the 
United States, Afghanistan asked Pakistan on Wednesday for 
permission to take part in a cricket tournament it is hosting 
next month.

"They had made a request to us that they wanted to take part in 
the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and we accepted it," a senior official 
of the Pakistan Cricket Board of Control, Brigadier Munawwar 
Rana, told Reuters.

"Since they have confirmed their participation, we have included 
them," said Rana. "But whether they are able to take part in the 
competition physically, I think, depends entirely on the 
circumstances."


Here's picture of the "2001 Taliban Cricket Team."

http://www-usa.cricket.org/perl/picture.cgi/026694/AFG


John
E...

From: J
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 16:50:22 2001

Message:
I expect some very creative dialogue about this picture from 
Eagle.

Cigs for all - camels, Marlb's and pizza too.  I just pulled 
from the oven a Take-N-Bake Hawaian (pineapple and all) Pizza.  
take n Bake is pizza-shop uncooked.

J
E...

From: EagleEye
To: WeakViking
Subject: a restrained response .....
Date: Sun Oct 28 16:32:43 2001

Message:
Being that Im surely attributable to some of your "sickening", I 
thought I would take an opportunity to reply in a more 
restrained style. 

"There are some messages here that really sickens me, and if 
theese thoughts, is common among Americans, (like lets just kill 
all muslims+nuke aghanistan,the higher deathtoll the 
better++++++)then I simply have no choice than to hate America."

You will usually see higher octane rhetoric being put forth, in 
rebuttle to revelers in America's misfortunes - for example 
CoolMother**** and several others.  But where is public european 
outcry about:

The atrocities of Saddam Hussein against his own people?  You 
were aware that Medicine is NOT part of the sanctions / 
embargo's - Hussein just makes that happen so he has an excuse 
for Arab/Muslim/Iraqi hatred of USA [USA who kicked the living 
shit out of his piss ant army - who was so feared around the 
region.] [your welcome BTW - hows your car/train/moped/Bus 
running these days?]

The atrocities of same POS [Hussein] against the Kuwaiti 
innocent women, children, civilian men.  They violated every 
geneva convention on their pull out of Kuwait imaginable - yet 
USA is the bad a guy.

Where is the utter outrage at the fact bin Lucifer has publicy 
take responsibility for the Saudi Arabian Marine Barracks 
bombing?


Where was the world outrage when same binCifer took 
responsibility for the Cole in Yemen?  Tanzania Embassy et 
al ....

What makes us sick is that the world has not done a freakin 
thing about bin Laden .... what has anyone else really done?  
Why did it take such an atrocity for the world to wake up, and 
vow to do something about it[bin Lucifer]?  And now, that things 
are being done to eradicate him and his kind - of which the 
Taliban certainly are - there are cries of foul play - gnashing 
of teeth for "so called" inncocent civilians? maybe some of us 
arent as idealistic as you, john, missin, and a few zillion 
others.  Facts are facts.  They shove a camel bone shiv in your 
back the second your infadel ass turned around.

"Fortunately i know it isnt so. What is so sad that these people 
doenst know "it isnt so" in Afghanistan"

Well, thats true - but there were a shit load lot more innocents 
who died "unkowingly" of the plight of afghani's, Muslims etc in 
those buildings and on those planes. Was it their or our 
responsibility - do we owe - it to them to be educated about 
their problems.  What the hell care do they give about any of 
our problems?  Do we owe these palastinian freaks from hell 
anything - nope.

Regardless of what you may beleive - this is a WAR .... to be 
won at ANY and all costs - its not conditional upon 100 or less 
civi collateral damages - the perpetrators of these heinous acts 
know nothing of honor, restraint, fairness -or most any value 
you consider worthwhile - ALLAH, death, Sharia Law, martyrdom - 
thats it.  They will not and do not abide by any value system 
you undertsand, Geneva conventions - nothing. he who gets no 
bullet holes at the end of the day wins - they care not about 
civilians - therefore - until they are gone  I have no problem 
lowering myself to their dispicable level to understand them, to 
hate them, to destroy them and any and all they consider 
valuable.  To not let them creep into my society stealthly under 
the values I hold dear - then attempt to ram death up my ass.  

Caution, restraint, fairness, complacency, morals [different 
than those Islam's possesses] got us ALL into this shit mess. 

Viking your sick of this bombing and talk of nuking? ...... 

Well not that many care but lets know what America is sick 
of .......

We're sick of having to feed 3/4's of the planet, and being 
hated.

We're sick of inventing 3/4 of the worlds important shit, and 
paying for the other 1/4 and being hated.

We're sick of having to bail out the planet/countries from mean 
nasty evil doers - then after we save you - you get sickened by 
us - dont keep calling, we'll stop coming.

We're sick of having to show restraint where your nations 
wouldnt, or you do because you have no choice but to show 
restraint or get wasted.  Maybe that form of freedom suits you - 
not me - free as long as someone else is there to protect me 
aint freedom jack.

"I hope the people this 
post regarding are on heavvy meds or are in a shock some way or 
another." 

Shock dismay horror, extreme anger ... yeah that all comes to 
mind.  Maybe if your literal brothers and sisters were in the 
building or on the planes you may not be so concerned about 
afghani's sticking around their leaders acting as human shields.

"Lets just kill every body in the world who doesnt 
understand a fckin shite. Like you racict assholes."

Why is it that only europeans are "enlightened"?  We undertsand 
plenty over here in the US.  Unlike many nations of europe - we 
know when we're getting it up the zero hole, and where our 
allies are. 

"The 
international society(western) is questioning wether the ongoing 
bombing of Afganisthan is a smart move or not. Personaly i feel 
that action must be done. One way or another, in Afghanistan 
bombs are probably the only way to destabilize. But when we 
(outside america) agree with the actions taken."

Question all you want ..... Whats the enlightened European 
nations solution?  You fuckers aint going to put boots in the 
sand.  What are you going to do send letters to bin 
Fuckedbyhiscamel?  Id be real interested to here what the 
europeans - those so many light years ahead in intellectualism 
would do if their nation experienced this atrocity - bring 
it ....  we're all waiting in anticipation.

When you AGREE - no you arent arrogant are you....?, just us 
cowboys here in the US of fucking A are that arrogant.  When we 
in USA start delegating retibution for the deaths American 
Citizens to the panzy ass coalition of european Nations is the 
day what Rodney King caused looks like a picnic.

"We excpect 
americans to not behave like baboons scratching their crotch 
grunting Nuke Afghan, killemall. "

Yes ... thats right, only an enlightened Euro can show 
restraint.  Well if we didnt scratch our sacks and talk about 
using NUKES a while back you people likely would have had a good 
ol time studying the bliss that is Marxism. Is it too much to 
expect of Euro's to have a thicker spine?  Or did Hitler cut off 
your balls and yank you fuckers backbone thru the hole?

"You make me puke Shitheads"

Finally something we can mutually understand about each other.


From: Spy
To: John
Subject: "Thanks"
Date: Sun Oct 28 17:46:23 2001

Message:
It needs further work--but thanks.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22963936/24118837i
uJALgVSqA

From: EagleEye
To: J - Spy - John
Subject: Cricket!!!! Now thats freak n hilarious
Date: Sun Oct 28 17:51:22 2001

Message:
So ... if the Afghani - Taliban lose a match - do they get to 
start firing their Kalishnakovs into the stands?

How far can you smack a cricket with the butt end of an AK?

Likely their secret weapon will be stench - who could 
concentrate, and How the fuck would they ever make it past 
airport security now ... who's gonna beleive a Afghani 
whining .... "No really .... thats just shrapnel I elected not 
to have surgically removed."

I bet next year it'll be a bitch to compete in the radiation 
suits.   

[just for you Viking]

From: italia
To: eagle eye
Subject: europe
Date: Sun Oct 28 17:38:21 2001

Message:
he wasn't there, doesnt figure what it's like getting f--ed like this in your own backyard
in this sickening way by cowards
who knows what's next
i thank anyone for having the balls and the spirit to go in there

as far as anyone who has a brain (litterate or not) in europe goes; they are behind 
anyone who stops these dogs, they just don't speak out they are afraid, this time of a 
religion that's growing the speed of light

they didn't speak out 60 years ago against a background of  clicking boots, party 
speeches and propaganda

now they don't speak out against a background of an imman calling for prayer

From: EagleEye
To: World
Subject: take a break would ya .....
Date: Sun Oct 28 18:02:33 2001

Message:
Photo Caption:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/22963936/24118837iuJALgVSqA

"A casual moment for the Taliban Militia, poised smartly in 
their "Easter" garb.  This shot was taken between rounds, as 
these militia men, part of an elite group of firing squad 
marksmen, momentarily set aside their rifles whilst the other 
Talib's scour the surrounding countryside for the remaining 
village women to execute before evening prayers"

From: Spy
To: EagleEye -John
Date: Sun Oct 28 17:58:23 2001

Message:
I realize, at this point---now that the cards are dealt---I'd have 
you guys on a front line with me anytime. War is Hell---but 
winning is everything !!!
You two are in no way traders, nor cowards, nor afraid of 
what lays before us-----but fighters for FREEDOM !!!
Fighters for the west and democracy.
Something "stone cold mama fuckers" couldn't understand 
in their warped mentality; bowing to their satanic 
gods(devils,demons)
We might have some  differences--but at this point---I know 
we would fight to the death together.
AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY MATTERS !!!
WE WILL KICK THESE SANDBLASTED GLASS NIGGERS 
TOGETHER AND EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE 
THEIR PLACE !!!
That's the PRIDE of the U.S.A. !!!!
That's the determination of the U.S.A.!!!!!

From: radio europe
To: all
Subject: good night from europe, now
Date: Sun Oct 28 18:37:24 2001

Message:
Ladies, Gentlemen, it is passed midnight and R-E is ending it's broadcast for today.
We hope you will all sleep well, and wake up in good health and spirits, if not by your 
local church bells, maybe by an imman calling you for prayer from his minaret.
You might wake up in sweat, where are you?
Why, home, of course.
Goodnight again, broadcast will resume tomorrow, with gods will... 

From: EagleEye
To: World
Subject: Osama Bin Laden's legacy
Date: Sun Oct 28 18:50:24 2001

Message:
Afghanis need to place the blame in the proper spot, Taliban and 
bin Laden. - without them - this would not have happened. 

Play with fire Usama - reap hell on earth for yourself and your 
people.  Fuck you - we will find you and make you die like the 
dog you are. Raise his poster up now and march around, we'll 
show you to your grave!  It a fucking shame, but Im all outta 
tears now.

http://a799.ms.akamai.net/3/799/388/f90012284372be/www.msnbc.com/
news/1237250.jpg

Full article:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627086.asp

From: The Rolling Stones
To: Afghaninstan
Subject: "Under Our Thumb"
Date: Sun Oct 28 19:28:37 2001

Message:
Paint it black motherfuks-----We're gonna roll the rock 
around----Ya'know---"Goats Head Soup" for ya all !!!
"Time's on our side"
"It'll be a rainbow" when the "whip comes down!!!!"

From: Justice USA
To: Taliban Dogs
Subject: Woof Woof Motherfuckers!
Date: Sun Oct 28 19:45:26 2001

Message:
The time has cum for taliban cocksuckers to be put to death.  
The sooner the better.  100,000 taliban deaths even BETTER than 
the hoped for 7,000.00 for taking out our brothers and sisters. 
You people are fucking savages, I dont feel sorry for any of you 
fuckers.  I feel sorry for the donkeys though being blown 
through the air.  ASSAMA BIN LADEN you are satan's sperm lip 
gloss.  Your mother was fucked by a dog and gave birth to a 
dog.  Eat shit motherfucker!  Take your jihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad 
and shove it up your ass.  Heard you fuckers dont wear any 
underwwear either and you have shit stains on your clothes that 
you only wash once a year on a rock. FUCK THE TALIBAN AND FUCK 
YOUR ALLAH, HE IS BUSY GETTING HIS COCK SUCKED BY YOUR MOTHER!

From: Bob Dylan
To: Taliban
Subject: "A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall"
Date: Sun Oct 28 19:49:26 2001

Message:
"Blood On The Tracks"-----"Blowin' in the Wind".

From: Care?
To: Fools
Subject: Foolish Games
Date: Sun Oct 28 21:53:29 2001

Message:
I really want to impress on you the problem with America.  

It did'nt take much for you to start hanging shit on your allies 
did it?

You Americans hate everyone and the mutual feeling is growing 
every day.

When I was young, America was a country I looked up to.

I still do really.  I feel you have given the world some 
wonderful gifts.  I wont go into it, you know you have.

You guys have got to get off your superiority trip.  You are 
just as vulnerable to taking shit as any other nation.  

If you want to rule the world, (and I don't really care if you 
do or not) do it in a way that the world accepts.  You will have 
less problems acheiving your aims then.

Sticking bandaids on gaping wounds is not going to make you be 
seen as caring.  What will?  Getting to the heart of the 
problems the world faces instead of hoping money will solve 
everything.

Money is the root of all evil and since America has the most 
money, it goes that they are the most evil.

No.  You must actually CARE before you solve the world's 
problems.  A bit of sincerity, you know, instead of just going 
with the troops.

If you cannot bring yourself to care; FUCK OFF.  You're doing 
more harn than good.  

If you are so smart, why cant you work this out yourself?

It's because you only care about Uncle Sam's interests and fuck 
the rest.

I have some news for you.  Uncle Sam's and the world's interests 
are the same.  You guys have just forgotten that.

Can the rest of the start bombing the US because of Mcveigh?
Why?  Because thats guilt by association.

i also want to say that I detest the killing of innocents 
whether the be American or otherwise.  War only serves the ends 
of the Warpigs, not the rest of us.  No matter what changed in 
the last century, that will always remain true.

Normal people (not ultra rich assholes living in thier ivory 
towers) should by now (with all the intelligence and information 
in today's world) should get started on creating a system in 
which everyone has a say in world affairs without having to 
fight for it.

That was the goal of the UN until the big five hijacked it.

Superpowers think their title gives them superpowers.  Well 
guess what SUPERMAN IS DEAD.  The age of superpowers WILL be 
replaced with something else.  The world cannot afford to do 
otherwise.

I am not having a go at you.  You are getting a glimpse of the 
future right now.  This is not a prediction but a study of the 
facts.  America's domination of world affairs is unsustainable.
There are too many problems that cannot be solved with money.

Look I really believe America is trying to do the right thing 
but without consulting the rest of us, how do you know when 
youve taken the wrong path.  We are your conscience and we all 
know what happens when one doesn't listen to one's conscience; 
evil ensues.

Eagle Eye, who are kidding?  Wake the hell up. 


From: Justice USA
To: Care? = cocksucker
Subject: GO FUCK YOURSELF
Date:

Message:
LISTEN PRICK, NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S CUNT WHAT THE FUCK YOU LOOKED 
UP TO OR NOT.  AMERICANS DONT NEED YOUR FUCKEN RESPECT ASSHOLE.  
YOU ARE AN ISIGNIFCANT PEICE OF SHIT.  WHY, A FUCKEN COCKROACH 
LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS THAN YOURS.  WE ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD 
AND YOU JEALOUS LITTLE CUNT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT RIGHT 
ASSHOLE????  WE ARE SUPERIOR TO YOUR SHIT COUNTRY AND TO YOU.  
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING COCKSUCK

From: Justice USA
To: Care? = cocksucker
Subject: GO FUCK YOURSELF
Date:

Message:
LISTEN PRICK, NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S CUNT WHAT THE FUCK YOU LOOKED 
UP TO OR NOT.  AMERICANS DONT NEED YOUR FUCKEN RESPECT ASSHOLE.  
YOU ARE AN ISIGNIFCANT PEICE OF SHIT.  WHY, A FUCKEN COCKROACH 
LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS THAN YOURS.  WE ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD 
AND YOU JEALOUS LITTLE CUNT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT RIGHT 
ASSHOLE????  WE ARE SUPERIOR TO YOUR SHIT COUNTRY AND TO YOU.  
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING COCKSUCK

From: Justice USA
To: Care? = cocksucker
Subject: GO FUCK YOURSELF
Date: Sun Oct 28 22:46:55 2001

Message:
LISTEN PRICK, NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S CUNT WHAT THE FUCK YOU LOOKED 
UP TO OR NOT.  AMERICANS DONT NEED YOUR FUCKEN RESPECT ASSHOLE.  
YOU ARE AN ISIGNIFCANT PEICE OF SHIT.  WHY, A FUCKEN COCKROACH 
LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS THAN YOURS.  WE ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD 
AND YOU JEALOUS LITTLE CUNT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT RIGHT 
ASSHOLE????  WE ARE SUPERIOR TO YOUR SHIT COUNTRY AND TO YOU.  
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING COCKSUCKER?  I HOPE YOUR FUCKEN  
YOU COUTNRY BURNS THE FUCK UP AND THEY DROP NAPALM ON YOUR ASS.  
YOU ARE SO TYPICAL OF THE JEALOUS CUNTS IN THE WORLD THAT HATE 
THE USA AND ENVY US AND WANT TO BE US.  DO YOU WIPE YOUR ASSHOLE 
WITH YOUR HAND OR LEAVES?  WHY YOU DUMB BASTARD, YOU HAVE CUM TO 
THE WRONG BOARD TO START SHIT.  GO FUCK YOURSELF.  YOUR FATHER 
HAD DEFECTIVE SPERM.  YOU ARE AN UNCLEAN SPIRIT AND NEED TO WASH 
YOUR DICK.  I CAN IMAGINE YOU ARE SOME FUCKEN ASSHOLE AS I CAN 
SMELL YOU FROM MY COMPUTER.  YOU DOUCHEBAG.  YOU WILL NEVER BE 
ABELE TO TOPPLE THE UNITED STATES.  YOUR PISS POOR COUNTRY THAT 
YOU LIVE IN, YOU ARE DOG SHIT MOTHER FUCKER.  COCKSUCKING PEICE 
OF SHIT, WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER CONTRIBUTED TO THE WORLD?  
YOU ARE GARBAGE AND THE COWARDS THAT DID THIS TO THE UNITED 
STATES, ANY PUNK COULD HAVE DONE.  ANY MORON CAN SLAM A PLANE 
INTO A BUILDING.  I WISH WE COULD BOMB WHEREVER THE FUCK YOU 
ARE.  SHUT YOUR STUPID FUCKEN TRAP, BEFORE I SHUT IT FOR YOU.

From: Person
To: Care? John, Eagle Eye
Subject: Kindness...
Date: Sun Oct 28 22:48:08 2001

Message:
Care? You are a very intelligent, thoughtful person, and John, I
appreciate your efforts w/Eagle Eye...He thinks he CARES, but it
is in the wrong place.  Care says that America thinks she is a
superpower...thinks is right, because 9/11 wouldn't have happened
if it weren't true...But, Care? also states that Americans have
got to stop thinking that $ cures all problems...sounds like
truth to me. I think some of us can't be bought, and if we can,
then we are evil...yes, evil! Taliban (tali='students SEEKING
knowledge'--not just 'students' as stated so often) were bought
by USA, Pakistan, UNOCAL, Bridas in Argentina, opium growers, and
on and on...seems like they have no loyalties or honor...they
tried to give Bin Laden back a few years ago, but America
wouldn't "recognize" they were in power, so no deal! But, really
American politicians were playing games, too, and so many nations
are involved in this current mess....world peace = the masses
having a voice in world politics, and we are not allowed...so we
spout off at each other on these boards, feeling powerless...but
we at least get to coexist in a "DEMOCRATIC DISCUSSION" even if
our leaders don't listen!  Peace, Person

From: Spy
To: care
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:01:14 2001

Message:
C=stinken' chick cunnt
A= stinken' chick ass
R=stinken' chick rectum
E=stinken' chick excretment
 
WE DON'T FUCKIN' NEED OR WANT YOUR FUCKIN' 
OPPINION YOU BITCH !!! GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!

From: Spy
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:15:17 2001

Message:
You tree huggers are the worst fuckin' thing during wartime.
You have a "bark" that crumbles off the trunk with the bite of 
gypsy moth.

From: John
To: Care?
Subject: RE: Foolish Games
Date: Sun Oct 28 22:56:05 2001

Message:
An elaborate response is unnecessary.  Let me handle this commie 
Eagle.

You exposed your naive communist self with this line:

"Money is the root of all evil and since America has the most 
money, it goes that they are the most evil."  

Care,  You use the word, yet offer no solutions.  We should just 
care...  Get off it and off the board.  Get your candy stripe 
skirt out and find a hospital to pass out books and help empty 
the bedpans will you.  What the hell does: "We should care more" 
mean?

You want America to consult you?  What, so you can apply some 
sanctions.  You gonna help set up another world police force and 
write Usama a ticket?

You are our conscience?  Get lost!  Applying such reverense to 
yourself.

O'k - What would you do?  What would you do about Usama, al 
Quaeda, Taliban and the other 20 or so terror groups worldwide?
Don't focus anywhere else.  Just answer the question.

John
E pluribus unum


From: Fakami Sakami
To: SHITEATERS
Subject: SHITT
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:00:25 2001

Message:
FUCK SHIT HELL DAMN COCKSUCKER ASSHOLE PISSDRINKER FARTSNIFFER 
BUTTFUCKER!
KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

From: Spy
To: U.S.MILITARY
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:20:23 2001

Message:
MORE CARPET BOMBING PLEASE---don't bother spending 
our U.S. tax dollars to be accurate with these "people".
Keep it thick and plenty !!!!

From: SHITEATER
To: Fakami Sukame
Subject: SHITT
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:24:28 2001

Message:
what's wrong with eating shit? Don't all of you ragheads drink 
camel piss? Isn't it true that you prefer camel pussy to women?

From: ton
To: john and simon
Subject: its me
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:03:06 2001

Message:
first   question?? is  are you guys gay?   as jerry said "not 
that there is anything wrong with that"    ok  now  its late so i 
have to get some rest     i was not kidding about bin laden  mom 
being a whore in mecca..  that is true... thats the reason he 
hates the west so much.    i think the usa must hit all of his 
family members through out the world  and the c i a has the ok to 
do just that .....  ok      bye  till  monday   

your very knowledgable guy from the great state of   florida

p s 

do your homework on bin laden's   mom....  its true 

From: Spy
To: "person"
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:26:19 2001

Message:
You are right---don't spend the money on accurate bombs !!
CARPET BOMB THEIR RAG ASSES !!!!
THICK AND PLENTY !!!!!!!!!!
Pack them B-52's with every kind of "CHEAP" dumb bomb 
we have.
And pack it to FULL capacity !!!!

From:
To:
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:24:02 2001

Message:
Person,

Where did you pick up this absurd contention.

"Taliban (tali='students SEEKING knowledge'--not just 'students' 
as stated so often) were bought by USA, Pakistan, UNOCAL, Bridas 
in Argentina, opium growers, and on and on...seems like they 
have no loyalties or honor...they tried to give Bin Laden back a 
few years ago, but America wouldn't "recognize" they were in 
power, so no deal!

They are students of hate and evil.  Where have you been on 
Mars?  My God.  They seek no knowledge.  They learn and teach 
ONLY one thing - A Perverted form of Islam that strips people of 
rights, justifies rape and murder, orders the killing of 
Infidels and Zionists.  You call them students seeking knowledge?

Go read up on the subject, we'll be happy to entertain even a 
mildly educated viewpoint.  Unfortunately yours is not.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Spy
To: ton
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:33:35 2001

Message:
You can't or won't fucking read will ya---John is on my side !!
Who the fuck side are you on !!!!

From: John
To: ton
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:38:28 2001

Message:
ton of Florida,

In response to your posting above:

I just went up this board and read all of your posts, every one 
of them.  

The first thing I noticed was you repeatedly attack someone on 
the board.  That's not what this board is about.

The second thing I noticed is you bring absolutely no knowledge 
to the board.  No research, logic, or reasonable thought 
process.  In others words, you offer nothing.  

The third thing is you repeat the same diatribe over and over.   
It all goes like this:

  "WELL  SEE YA  WE HAVE ONLY ABOUT 5000 MORE AFGANS TO 
INCINARATE or melt down  oh what ever you know what i mean  
right "  

"they better  they might not have much time  you see i think  we 
are going to have  to nuke em  and kill half the mid--east.   
well"


The fourth thing I noticed is you are seemingly incapable of 
creating a sentence.  Not one of your postings has a complete 
sentence.  I point this out only because this tells me and 
others - if you can't make a sentence, you probably can't read a 
sentence.  Now, that makes perfect sense.  Maybe you don't read 
well and couldn't grasp the content of the posts. If you had 
read postings of EaglesEye's, Italian Guy's, Spy's and mine of 
the last days you would have learned what I and everyone here 
learned together.  We've had some darn good dialogue.  If you 
read them with comprehension you would not have attacked me in 
your above post claiming you had read them.  You said your post 
was in response to my posts since you've been gone.

So what's up?  How about taking the time and reading the posts 
before offering up a repeat performance.  If you have a 
reasonable argument or opinion you care to share we'll all be 
glad to entertain your thoughts.  Maybe you could take some time 
and read some of the above posts.

Have a good day,  

John
E pluribus unum

From: Spy
To:
Subject: Bears Repeating
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:42:55 2001

Message:
Did you ever have to live with these assholes ?
Now--did you have to live with 200+ of 'em?
Have you ever had to train or guard these motherfuckers ?
Well I did. It wasn't my choice--I was under orders.
I was a good soilder--4.0 rating (thats A+ for you non military 
types). 
I was doing what I was told.
Out of the whole stinkin' bunch of them(and I do mean 
stinkin')
I only met one---ONLY ONE --who believed in Islam and 
lived by it to the best of his ability as a human being.
The rest of 'em were the most 
arrogant,ignorant,vile,buttfuckin' people I ever met. And that's 
the way that ONE felt about his cohorts. He was utterly 
disgraced by 'em.
Did you ever see a guy crawl off his buddie's butt, with 
diarrhea dripping off
his wang,plastered in his pubic hairs and running down his 
legs while his buddy
on the bed had a shotgun blast of shit down his legs and all 
over the bed ?
Well, that's how these "people" presented themselfs to me 
and my fellow soilders.
What a sight---what a stench. And we couldn't do a damm 
thing about it though, cause
they had dipolmatic immunity to our military laws and civilian 
laws.

The average U.S. soilder (at that time) was making about 
$380 to $500 a month.
We (gov.) was paying these jerks around a $1000 a 
month---and all these assholes
had rich oil daddys-------what a disgrace to the U.S. military 
forces !!!

When I see these terrorist and listen to 'em----I see these 
assholes I had to be around.
I bet cha some of them are terrorist.
If we knew then what we know now---I do believe some of 
'em would have gone home in a box.
The only satisfaction I did get; is some of 'em got busted for 
drugs. When that happened,
the U.S. would send them home to their homeland---where 
they were beheaded.
I remember smiling while waving bye bye :-)


From: Spy
To: ton of shit
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:49:11 2001

Message:
learn ta read so you know where the fuck you stand

From: John
To: Person
Subject: Do some reading honey.
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:46:03 2001

Message:
Person,  And to continue:

You said:  The Taliban tried to give Bin Laden back a 
few years ago, but America wouldn't "recognize" they were in 
power, so no deal!

Where do you do your research?  Usama bin Laden basically 
founded the Taliban, he initially funded the structure of 
leadership to the tune of millions.  He is effectively the 
Taliban leader.  Where do you get such innacurate false 
information.  You just sit around and make it up?

The Taliban offered up Usama to the US you say?  Do some reading 
honey.  It was the Egyptians that offered up Usama to the US.  
At the time, 1996, the Clinton administration dropped the ball 
and stated they did not have enough evidence to charge him.  SO 
Egypt exiled him.  Usama then went to Afgfhanistan, and for 
effective purposes formed a country.

From: ton
To: spy, john and simon
Subject: nuke em
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:54:29 2001

Message:
i stand on the side of 5000 w t c people who were killed by the 
afgan.  muslim cock sucker's    we will continue to bomb until we 
destroy the country....    now do you know what side i'm on  i am 
from the us    you have not got the guts to admit where  you are 
from.  psuedo intellectual  john and simon are  way to smart to 
be in this room   i will say it again  we have to kill at least 
4500 more rag headed pig eating piss drinking  fuckers...     the 
people of the mid east  must DIE...  do you agree with me or 
not....  

From: exhausted
To: Care?
Subject: ignoramus
Date: Sun Oct 28 23:11:08 2001

Message:
Who do you think you are to judge America's actions in the 
world? Are you currently working in an impoverished country 
holding the sick and dying that you care so much? 
Americans have money - sometimes all we can do is give 
and hope that it buys food rather than weapons and 
medicine rather than contraband. I'm sure you do 
superficially care about the world. There are thousands 
upon thousands of Americans who get their hands dirty 
helping the poor and less fortunate. I do not think we have to 
apologize for looking out for our interests first. I have 
absolutely NO DOUBT whatsoever that your own country 
does the same (only it may not have the resources to even 
help anybody). 

Do you get the point?? What if someone blew up the place 
you work or where someone you "care" about worked and 
just kept threatening more? Let's try to figure out why they 
hate us so much...Oh well that's it, I guess we're just too 
damned cocky and we deserved that.  NO! Once again, we 
are trying to protect the WHOLE world from murderers and 
criminals because nobody else can do anything but talk and 
put on a facade of peace (since they can just kick back and 
let someone else protect them). 

I cannot believe how many ingrates there are in the world. 
The US is made up of most of the world and still you all 
must deride this country for doing all it can for you!!! AHHHH, 
it makes me want to throw up. 

If you really really care about the people of this world, don't 
just talk about it or claim in vain to love. Get off your butt and 
do something. Actions speak a whole lot louder than words. 

Think before you accuse.

yuck.

From: EagleEye
To: the Caring One
Subject: Foolishness
Date: Sun Oct 28 22:32:52 2001

Message:
"Eagle Eye, who are kidding?  Wake the hell up."

Certainly not you .... the enlightened ONE - the worlds 
conscience, sage and Oracle of all things.

"It did'nt take much for you to start hanging shit on your 
allies did it?"

Really such as ....?  If you think Im not BLOWN away by the 
support of our British allies, and Australian allies - your 
sadly mistaken. Germany, right on. Spain ... Italy fuck yeah.  
but ...... French??? ... whatever - hey Francios' - thanks for 
extraditing that Flight Training specialist.  Hopefully your 
rules of interrogating prisoners will be less "restrictive" than 
our "arrogant laws" over here in the States.

"If you want to rule the world ..." 

Are you really that stupid? Think about that for a minute. Add 
this into your crack pipe and smoke it too ... who would stop us 
if we did desire that?  I cant think of anyone Ive ever talked 
to in USA that wants to rule more than their OWN destiny. 
Imperialism is past tense einstein - you wake up.  Americans 
just dont want OTHERs making our decisions, without our say.

For example - dont blow up our people you mindless fuck of camel 
sperm, or we'll kick you fucking ass to kingdom come "[.]"  I 
dont need some Eurpean coalition to tell me what I should buy, 
where, how much I should be able to earn, what my work is worth, 
what schools I and my family members should attend etc .....  

Europe doesnt get to decide for us how we retaliate to an act of 
war.  You prick - they invaded us, killed us, provoked us - 
declared war on us -its called war.  Hello mother fucker - we 
are AT WAR.  This is no longer Bill Clinton playing political 
hopscotch to satiate a bunch of hypocritical mother fuckers in 
UN/Euro league of Nations.  This isnt TV fodder for CNN anymore, 
its not fun and games - its a real freakin WAR.  Look if your 
people over there dont like us, dont want to help us rid the 
planet of "your" next disaster - no problem mate - kindly step 
us side.  But how dare you try and tell us "your sick" of our 
shit becasue a few hundred alledged Afghani's are collateral 
damage.  Use the resources fo your great nations and fly C-17 
style aircraft over there and air lift the fuckers out 
temporarily [oh ... do you even have such things at your 
enlightened disposal?]


"Money is the root of all evil and since America has the most 
money, it goes that they are the most evil."

Thats makes soooo much sense - lets do a little word play on 
that epiphany of yours .......

"Below Average penis length is the root of all evil and since 
[your country's name here ] has the most 
needle dicks, it goes that they are the most evil."

"Beer Drinkers are the root of all evil and since {your country]
has the most 
beer guzzlers, it goes that they are the most evil."

"Homosexuality is the root of all evil and since [your country]
has the most 
Gay men, it goes that they are the most evil."

See how ludicrous your dimentia sounds?

More genious was penned as follows:

"If you are so smart, why cant you work this out yourself?"

How cant we? - we have a real simple solution to this problem, 
but becasue we care and are sensitive to those around us - 
things get more complicated.  It'd be real easy to turn that 
shithole of a region into ALLAH's Glass Factory - but we dont.

"Can the rest of the start bombing the US because of Mcveigh?
Why?  Because thats guilt by association."

Must be more of that Jewish controlled American media 
manipulating the facts over here in the US again .... I forgot - 
the Europeans get ALL the facts, us yanks get the watereed down 
censored stuff.....but last I heard McVeigh blew up american 
buildings ..... simp fucking loser.  If you started bombing us 
cuz we blew our own shit up - you'd really be fucked idiot.  If 
we bombed Muslims everytime they blew their own people and 
property up - we'd already be done with this shit fuck excuse of 
a religion. [your dimented, but Im starting to come around to 
your line of thinking in this singular issue - maybe]

"No.  You must actually CARE before you solve the world's 
problems.  A bit of sincerity, you know, instead of just going 
with the troops."

No - you must remove your naive cranium from your rectal 
orafice, before anyone will ever be able to solve your 
problems.  This really isnt about caring, and NOT everything the 
US does needs to be a CARING gesture with platitudes towards 
people who arent even affected.  Evidently you werent too 
affected by our loss and devistation as your only concerns is 
how the poor afghani's feel.  Just beacuse we wont give you nore 
the terrorsit fucks the pleasure of viewing ALL of their 
handywork, and you dont get to see the bodies and the mamed on 
our tv newsreels doesnt mean they dont exist mr Care Bear.  Not 
one fucking caring emotion from you about our dead, mamed, 
wounded, paralyzed, missing, barbequed, mentally fucked for the 
rest of eternity victims - not one fucking caring thought penned 
from you fucker - eat shit mother fucker - show me you care 
about us fucker - sick of you little ungrateful fucking cunts - 
sorry excuse for life - wish you were here you mother fucker - 
I'd shove your fucking little sorry ass face in the burning 
smoldering stench filled ashes that are my brothers and sisters, 
valiant police men/fireman women who gave no regard for their 
own life in order to try and save others - and the sad thing is, 
if your fucking puke ass was in that building they would have 
givin their life to try and save you too - you fucked up little 
over educated piss ant - so full of yourself - worried about 
terrorists families and the families that harbor them.  Not one 
word says you about the fact that an estimated 15,000 american 
children lost a parent in that orgy of innocent slaughter, and a 
very large number lost their only parent.  Im sure their going 
to grow up loving Arabs and Muslims, and terrorists - jihad 
muther fucker! 

"If you cannot bring yourself to care; FUCK OFF.  You're doing 
more harn than good."  I am fucked off you goat jizz gurgling 
little shit running down a camels thigh - now what?

You hold your peace sign and think your doing good. Hope your 
fucking plaque is bullet proof.

"You are getting a glimpse of the 
future right now.  This is not a prediction but a study of the 
facts.  America's domination of world affairs is unsustainable."

Quit crying for help all the god damn time, and we'll leave you 
the fuck alone.  Contrary to your distorted beliefs about 
America's general populus - we dont wish for entanglements in 
all your fucking problems - we have enough of our own.  But dont 
you dare call retaliation for the terror attacks our desire to 
dominate and control or imperialise a shithole like afghanistan.

All our domination of world affairs ...... so I guess your down 
with Communism / socialism?  Sounds like it.  Were you going to 
stop russian aggression of the era? You bastards solve the 
Palastinian bullshit then - you fucking created the mess.

Here's a newsflash boy genious - Europes under achievment and 
pacifism towards dealing with terrorists threats is 
unsustainable.

"That was the goal of the UN until the big five hijacked it."

Id love to see you try and defend this bullshit with any 
intelligent facts.

"The age of superpowers WILL be 
replaced with something else."

Like what ... the age of the super-pacifist? or the age of the 
Super Islam?  the first leads to the latter - good luck.  Your 
neat little utopia doesnt exist, but until it does, looks like 
your best option to be able to keep enjoying those freedoms you 
have is ..... well maybe you'll get it.

"Look I really believe America is trying to do the right thing 
but without consulting the rest of us, how do you know when 
youve taken the wrong path."

When my country is attacked via an act of war - I really dont 
think our people need you as a guide post to tell us what the 
RIGHT thing is.  Im sorry ... I wasnt aware Europe had all the 
RIGHT answers?  Nobody informed us dumb ass yanks, that all the 
right answers to the world existed in europe - holy fucking 
camel shit BatMan - we've been duped.  Should we call you when 
we feel like wiping our asses too?  Oh shit I forgot - you got 
that idea from us too - dont forget to flush that American 
invention k?  This reminds me ..... the era of the 
superpower .... Im seem to recall that Germany during WWII was 
no longer considered a super power, and they almost kicked all 
our asses - but thanks once again to that arrogant no caring 
Uncle Sam - you dont have German as a native tongue [well maybe 
you do - doubt it]

The next time some fuck the likes of Saddam Hussein rolls his 
tanks into your front yard - dont bother crying to us - we'll be 
too busy to help constructing the 100 ft fucking wall to keep 
all you fucks out.


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